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Troy the Movie
Vanity | JFC

Posted on 05/25/2004 7:00:32 AM PDT by JFC

I went to see the movie Troy, reluctantly, last night with my husband. We both turned to each other at the end and said... the left who said the Passion was bloody and so harsh for all eyes, just have no leg to stand on.

I do think Brad Pitt is trying and will be taking the place of Mel Gibson in these type of roles, since Hollywood has left Mel out to dry. I would not recommend seeing it. Unless your into blood, and lots of naked bodies.


TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: archaeology; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; moviereview; trojanwar; troy
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1 posted on 05/25/2004 7:00:32 AM PDT by JFC
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I'll take Russell Crowe ala Gladiator anyday. He looks like a real man that could whip some ass, not a Hollywood pretty boy.
2 posted on 05/25/2004 7:02:15 AM PDT by zencat (Visit my profile for MAGNETIC Bush/Cheney '04 bumper stickers!)
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It doesn't look like Troy is in for a big payday. It is doing OK but not in relation to the bucks spent on making and marketing the film.


3 posted on 05/25/2004 7:06:41 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: JFC

I'm not going to go see it. I already read the book.


4 posted on 05/25/2004 7:09:46 AM PDT by Ezra Pound
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To: JFC
"Unless your into blood, and lots of naked bodies." Are you talking about the movie or Abu Ghraib Prison photos?
5 posted on 05/25/2004 7:10:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (The government will always do everything you let it get away with......)
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To: JFC

My wife made me go see Vanhelsing on Saturday night. Without question one of the worst movies I have ever seen. And I have seen a lot of bad movies.


6 posted on 05/25/2004 7:10:53 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: zencat

Russell Crowe is a dough boy


7 posted on 05/25/2004 7:13:04 AM PDT by captaindude2 (Soon to be banned again!)
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To: JFC
I must be jaded, because I didn't come away from Troy feeling like I had seen a particularly violent movie. And it certainly didn't make me wince as did The Passion of the Christ.

I kinda liked it (or was it the Jr. Mints? :) )

8 posted on 05/25/2004 7:14:55 AM PDT by The Duke
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This is what armor (for kings and heroes) REALLY looked like back then:

http://www.beloit.edu/~classics/Trojan%20War%20Site/Archaeology/Dendra_Armor_Large(c.1500-1400BCE).jpg
Dang, I hope this picture works. In any case, it is a far cry from the Hollyweird / Classical Greece style armor worn in the movie, no?
9 posted on 05/25/2004 7:15:13 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: Phantom Lord
My wife made me go see Vanhelsing on Saturday night. Without question one of the worst movies I have ever seen. And I have seen a lot of bad movies.

Yes it was definitely one of the worst movies I've ever seen too. What a total waste. A movie that horrible really should have had a ton of T&A and it didn't even have that.

10 posted on 05/25/2004 7:15:38 AM PDT by biblewonk (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK...AND I USE IT TOO.)
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To: Little Ray

Nope. guess not. Anyway, the picture is here:

http://www.beloit.edu/~classics/Trojan%20War%20Site/Archaeology/Dendra_Armor_Large(c.1500-1400BCE).jpg


11 posted on 05/25/2004 7:16:07 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: Red Badger
"...blood, and lots of naked bodies."

Usually sell well in Hollywierd.

12 posted on 05/25/2004 7:16:15 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: JFC

Somehow, I'm not seeing Brad Pitt as Achilles.
Eh, if HBO picks it up I might give it a look...otherwise, I can do without it.


13 posted on 05/25/2004 7:16:40 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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How Hollyweird can take a story which is entirely based on the interactions of pagan gods and goddesses and how they impact mortals, delete these personalities entirely, and produce a film based on the story, is beyond me. My only explanation is that the atheists who run Hollyweird find pagan gods and goddesses as offensive as the Judaeo-Christian One.

As for the comparison with "The Passion", the latter movie is almost entirely constructed around the horrific ordeal by torture of the Son of God. I don't believe you can compare it to a movie featuring typical battle scenes in a sword and shield type epic. Its like comparing violence with detailed sadism, which are not really the same things. I didn't see Troy, but read the Illiad. The Illad is replete with battle scenes, but I can't recall any detailed torturing of anybody.


The mere fact that Brad Pitt is in Troy is enough to keep me from viewing it. I remember how he and his wife of "Friends" fame dishonored the President's daughter.

(I might have said disrespected to be more politically correct. Since Honor no longer has any meaning in our society, I guess "to disrespect" as a verb has replaced to dishonor - a true verb.)

The Illiad itself is a masterpiece of battle, illustrating vividly how humans are often the prisoners of their fates or inner passions. I strongly suggest reading it in a good translation if you can't follow the original Greek.

I have heard the movie has been turned into a new edition designed as some kind of hackneyed anti-war flick.


14 posted on 05/25/2004 7:17:06 AM PDT by ZULU
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It was OK, though the usual Hollywood mangling of the story took place. The Rock should have played Achilles, and another, similarly large man should have played Hector. Brad Pitt and Eric Bana are too slightly built to carry off those roles, though Bana is at least a creditable actor. Pitt looked ludicrous as a blonde, surfer boy version of Achilles. And I'm already sick of seeing Orlando Bloom in every single "blockbuster" movie.

But the CGI battle and ship scenes were great, Peter O'Toole's performance as Priam was masterful, and the guy who played Agamemnon cracked me up every time he was on the screen.

So a mixed bag. Not horrible, but much less than it could have been. Silly as it was, I think I liked Van Helsing better.

15 posted on 05/25/2004 7:17:12 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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I took my two sons (18, 21) to see Van Helsing and we all areed. Not a good movie. Very disappointing. I haven't seen Troy but I also heard it wasn't very good unless you want to see Brad Pitt half naked. I'm too old for Brad. I'll take Mel any day.


16 posted on 05/25/2004 7:17:52 AM PDT by Auntbee
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To: JFC
"... have no leg to stand on. "

Word is that Pitt had a 'leg' double for the flick,
because his were to scrawny for a warrior.

17 posted on 05/25/2004 7:18:24 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: Little Ray

18 posted on 05/25/2004 7:20:41 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan
Thanks!
19 posted on 05/25/2004 7:23:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: Little Ray

Nice statue. The only thing it lacks is the typical figure 8 shaped shiled used by Myceanean warriors.

The Illad describes warfare between individual champions - sort of like the kiind of fighting that in the popular mind occurred in Medieval European battles. Classical Greek battles were between close formations of opposing troops in hoplite armour. Apparently the flick depicted individuals fighting each other in classical hoplite armor, not Mycenaean type armor.

The anachronisms present in the Illiad, which was written long after Mycenaean times, argue to the valid basis of the story.


20 posted on 05/25/2004 7:24:11 AM PDT by ZULU
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