Baseless
Posted on 08/01/2024 7:08:18 AM PDT by marktwain
In the last week of May 2024, Bowhunter Tyce Erickson used his 10mm S&W 2.0 handgun to defend against a large Kodiak brown bear. The 10mm handgun was loaded with Underwood ammunition utilizing 220-grain hardcast bullets. The hunt was on Kodiak Island in Alaska.
Tyce had wounded a large Kodiak bear in the last two days of the hunt in a shot at a moving bear from 200 yards with a borrowed rifle. The bear was tracked for two miles when it decided to ambush the hunters. The guide was about 10 feet in front of Tyce with a .375 magnum rifle. Tyce followed with his 10mm handgun. His hunting companion was out of sight, about 50 feet away in the dense alder thicket.
The following occurred in a few seconds:
In one account, the guide yelled, “Stop. Don’t shoot the skull!” The initial wound was to the bear’s hind leg, leaving the bear mobile. The guide’s first shot might have proved fatal, eventually. Two of Tyce’s three shots from the 10mm hit the bear in the neck and back, incapacitating it.
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Too bad the bear didn’t get his killers first.
Right, so do I, but it doesn’t say he was hunting with it and trying to get a bear, just says bear was shot with rifle. Maybe he arrowed it and it didn’t take...
So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. (Genesis 9:1-2)
I’m sorry I ever sold mine…..☹️
“It’s too much gun… it hurts, boohoohoooo”😫
I have one of each. They're both solid rounds and each has its place. I was an early adopter of the 10, getting an early Colt Delta Elite I still cherish to this day. At the time it was unlike anything I'd ever shot before. I was used to the slow, rolling recoil of the .45 ACP, it's softball trajectory and with steel targets, the perceptible lapse between "bang" and "ping." The 10mm seemed like a laser blaster by comparison.
After leaving the Army, I was on a private sector security team that mandated .40 (it was the LE go to round at the time). Back then, CZ still made the CZ75BD in .40 and that's what I opted for. It's still my favorite sidearm and excels in reliability, accuracy, and (for me) ergonomics; with CZ stippled walnut grips, it even looks good. A little heavy for EDC, but for my back country camping or other open carry situations, it's my go to, and probably will be 'til the end of my days.
The pussies at the FBI get the thanks for that!
comments from the article:
Wolfpack98
3 hours ago
Why did the guide say not to shoot the skull? For mounting purposes? Seems that could be repaired if so but I would think a shot to the head would be far quicker in a head on life or death situation like that.
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Reply to Wolfpack98
2 hours ago
Size of skull is measured for trophy reccord books, if damaged measurement is void.
That makes more sense: guides are more interested in records than trophies. It’s more useful in advertising.
With the right ammo 10mm is very effective. I’m considering getting one for back up in bear country to replace my 44mag. More than twice as many rounds on tap is tempting.
No they don't. You're parroting a myth.
The FBI only ever issued their 10mm with a downloaded round, a 180-gr Sierra bullet at 950 fps (vice Col Cooper's 200-grain bullet at 1,200 fps), often called the "FBI 10mm Lite" load. Before they ever issued that first S&W 1076 to their agents the FBI did extensive ballistic testing on the cartridge and determined their goals could be met with the FBI Lite load, which also would be cheaper to manufacture and put less wear-and-tear on the firearms.
The FBI NEVER ISSUED a full-house 10mm Auto round, only the FBI 10mm Lite.
The FBI Lite load left so much unused case capacity that S&W sensed the business opportunity and approached the FBI with the idea of a 10mm cartridge shortened by 0.142" (allowing for a substantially less girthy grip) but loaded with THE EXACT SAME PROJECTILE AND TO THE EXACT SAME MUZZLE VELOCITY as the FBI 10mm Lite. And they called it the .40 S&W.
Which means the FBI's issue .40 S&W load was ballistically identical to their issue 10mm Auto load. Which further means it killed just as dead.
The story that the FBI ditched the 10mm because their agents weren't manly enough to shoot it is a complete fabrication still being perpetuated 30+ years later by people who would rather sling baseless insults at the FBI look into the facts of the story.
I didn’t know Hunter was still allowed to own guns!
Baseless
Oh, that makes sense. Thanks for answering my question.
Apparently he was loaded for bear.
If the FBI intended from the start to use a 180 grain bullet at 950 fps, they would have stayed with the .45 ACP. There were plenty of handguns already in that caliber. Their overseas counterparts in government and law enforcement overseas were already using 45 ACP in handguns from Beretta, H&K, FN, and Sig Sauer since the 1950s.
That the FBI went to the 10mm and later downgraded it points to problems with the agents handling the 10mm.
The FBI Lite load left so much unused case capacity that S&W sensed the business opportunity and approached the FBI with the idea of a 10mm cartridge shortened by 0.142" (allowing for a substantially less girthy grip)
The claim that S&W approached the Feds and said, "Since the cartridge uses less powder, we can shorten it to save space in your guns." is far less believable than the FBI seeking a handgun that agents with smaller hands could use. Instead of making it obvious that they were issuing smaller guns to female agents and having male agents opt for .45 ACP, they would downgrade the weapon for everyone and claim it was intentional. That's exactly how government DEI works.
Also, thanks for making my case for me: Before they ever issued that first S&W 1076 to their agents the FBI did extensive ballistic testing on the cartridge and determined their goals could be met with the FBI Lite load, which also would be cheaper to manufacture and put less wear-and-tear on the firearms.
I stand by my comment.
Thank you.
You’re right welcome. When I lived in Alaska I was charged by a young black bear. I shot him in the head with a .308 rifle from a distance of about 50 ft followed by two successive broadside shots through the chest. It took a fourth shot to the front of his chest from about 20 ft before all activity ceased. This bear was tiny compared to a Kodiak Brownie and I was using a high-powered rifle. Yes, amped up bears are hard to stop.
It also bears mention that no mainstream manufacturer is selling anything close to Col Cooper’s original 10mm load (not even Norma, who manufactured Col. Cooper’s loads for him), only boutique ammunition manufacturers specializing in “hot” loads like Buffalo Bore and Double-Tap.
So the market has spoken and it prefers the FBI 10mm Lite load to Cooper’s full-house loads.
Must of missed the brain or the bear was just reacting from the brain hit.
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