Posted on 08/14/2023 6:29:35 AM PDT by Rummyfan
There are so many arguments about teacher pay. Everywhere in the country, Democrats are shilling for more teacher pay which is really a sell-out to the Teacher’s Union. Democrats fight school choice at every single turn. They hurt underprivileged and poor kids when they do. Yet, many of those same people active in killing school choice send their kids to private schools.
No one is saying teachers do not provide a service. The reason they are paid what they are paid is that they are unionized, and it’s simply not that difficult to become a teacher compared to say a lawyer, accountant, or doctor. Other professions that make a lot of money have significantly higher degrees of risk. There is no risk of losing your entire year’s worth of salary if you are a teacher. There is one on Wall Street. Salespeople can work years on one sale that will bring them a big commission and it can fall through.
The other thing to remember about salaries is that the higher you go in a public company, the more influence you have over the bottom line. Doesn’t it make sense that someone who is a C-Suite executive that has responsibility for billions in assets makes more than a teacher?
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In my neck-o-the-woods, teachers by contract work 185 days a year.
Divide their salary by 185 and you’ll see how much they make per day.
We need more male teachers....
Well over a hundred thousand in my mis size city......Half a year for mumbo jumbo college courses...
Average teacher salaries in this rural area are about 60-80 K a year, plus 28 K in medical, and 5-10K in pension. Over 100K for the “poor” teachers.
Is that a FULL 8 hour day like most people work? Or is it 8:30 to 3:30 with 4 breaks during the day?
Destroy the teachers’ unions and you restore the Republic.
Teachers, unlike other professionals, are government emplpyees. Government employees should NEVER be allowed to unionize. They serve at the pleasure of the taxpayers.
A good friend of mine is a retired high school principal. As he puts it, there are three main reasons people want to become teachers: June, July, and August.
Taught for 32 years. My final year
(July 2013) I was making 78,000. My starting salary in Sept.1982 was 8,000.
Unless they teach a specialized subject like math or a hard science.
Many of them also work summers, so their pay is at least $6,000 on top of their teacher salary.
Newsflash: A teacher's day does not end at 3:30. There are new lessons to write, papers to grade, phone calls to parents to make. And if you're teaching more than one subject, this can take hours. I don't know where you're getting "4 breaks a day" either. I got 2 free periods and a lunch, during which I often met with students to give extra help. And there were mandatory meetings after school sometimes, and parent/teacher night and afternoon.
Schools exist for the students.
Are the students first, or are the teachers first?
Most people understand the concept of paying more for a premium product.
Are the schools producing a premium product?
Teachers DO get good pay in much of the country, contrary to the complaining. But if you think a teacher only works while she is in front of the classroom, you’re willfully clueless. The amount of paperwork teachers have to do these days would stagger and befuddle a teacher from just a couple of decades ago. With no real training in psychotherapy, law or medicine, they have to the paperwork of a therapist, lawyer and doctor. It’s all bullsh!+, but it’s enough busy work to fill the day... for some teachers in some disciplines. The unfairness of the work distribution is another insanity.
LOL...uh, no.
“there are three main reasons people want to become teachers: June, July, and August.”
My dad was a teacher and then got his doctorate and became professor of elementary education. He would say there were two reasons people became teachers, those that really cared about children, and those that wanted summers off.
As I got older and into jr high and high school I found a third, those that want to coach.
While I can’t dispute what some teachers make in some parts of the country (I’ve heard numbers in the $35K range in Texas for example), I can say that from personal experience, the teachers I know, most with Bachelor’s Degrees, a few with Master’s Degrees, are in the $76,000 to $115,000 per year, with incredible benefits packages (like working about half the year). I won’t argue for or against whether there should be pay increases, but I would definitely say what we’re being told doesn’t purport with reality.
Again . . .
It is my contention that with government services (such as education) failure results in “higher profits” for the system.
If a truly excellent school produces truly excellent students, and comes before a local government and says “We want more money”, the government is likely to turn them down — you don’t need more money because you are doing an excellent job with the money you already have.
But if an awful school produces terrible students, the local government is likely to throw money at that problem. Higher salaries! More staff! Better lounge! More technology! Fix the problem!
Failure results in “higher profits” for the system.
Excellent !!!
Exactly the case!
While that is true, they really can't go out and get short-time jobs during Christmas or Easter breaks, much less over the summer.
I had a teacher friend who got so tired of competing with kids for summer jobs in construction (which was predominantly what was available) that he quit teaching and started his own construction business.
He was much happier as a result.
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