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Hiroshima, Nagasaki Bombings Were Needless, Said World War II's Top US Military Leaders
Stark Realities ^ | 08/06/2023 | Brian McGlinchey

Posted on 08/06/2023 7:01:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The anniversaries of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki present an opportunity to demolish a cornerstone myth of American history — that those twin acts of mass civilian slaughter were necessary to bring about Japan’s surrender, and spare a half-million US soldiers who’d have otherwise died in a military conquest of the empire’s home islands.

Those who attack this mythology are often reflexively dismissed as unpatriotic, ill-informed or both. However, the most compelling witnesses against the conventional wisdom were patriots with a unique grasp on the state of affairs in August 1945 — America’s senior military leaders of World War II.

Let’s first hear what they had to say, and then examine key facts that led them to their little-publicized convictions:


Full of midget submarines, a drydock in the port city of Kure, Japan lies in ruins

Putting out feelers through third-party diplomatic channels, the Japanese were seeking to end the war weeks before the atomic bombings on August 6 and 9, 1945. Japan’s navy and air forces were decimated, and its homeland subjected to a sea blockade and allied bombing carried out against little resistance.

The Americans knew of Japan’s intent to surrender, having intercepted a July 12 cable from Japanese Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo, informing Japanese ambassador to Russia Naotake Sato that “we are now secretly giving consideration to the termination of the war because of the pressing situation which confronts Japan both at home and abroad.”

Togo told Sato to “sound [Russian diplomat Vyacheslav Molotov] out on the extent to which it is possible to make use of Russia in ending the war.” Togo initially told Sato to obscure Japan’s interest in using Russia to end the war, but just hours later, he withdrew that instruction, saying it would be “suitable to make clear to the Russians our general attitude on ending the war”— to include Japan’s having “absolutely no idea of annexing or holding the territories which she occupied during the war.”
An excerpt from a July 12, 1945 US War Department
summary of an intercepted cable from Japanese Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo to his ambassador to Russia

Japan’s central concern was the retention of its emperor, Hirohito, who was considered a demigod. Even knowing this — and with many US officials feeling the retention of the emperor could help Japanese society through its postwar transition —the Truman administration continued issuing demands for unconditional surrender, offering no assurance that the emperor would be spared humiliation or worse.

In a July 2 memorandum, Secretary of War Henry Stimson drafted a terms-of-surrender proclamation to be issued at the conclusion of that month’s Potsdam Conference. He advised Truman that, “if…we should add that we do not exclude a constitutional monarchy under her present dynasty, it would substantially add to the chances of acceptance.”

Truman and Secretary of State James Byrnes, however, continued rejecting recommendations to give assurances about the emperor. The final Potsdam Declaration, issued July 26, omitted Stimson’s recommended language, sternly declaring, “Following are our terms. We will not deviate from them.”

One of those terms could reasonably be interpreted as jeopardizing the emperor: “There must be eliminated for all time the authority and influence of those who have deceived and misled the people of Japan into embarking on world conquest.”
Japanese emperor Hirohito reigned from 1926 to 1989

At the same time the United States was preparing to deploy its formidable new weapons, the Soviet Union was moving armies from the European front to northeast Asia.

In May, Stalin told the US ambassador that Soviet forces should be positioned to attack the Japanese in Manchuria by August 8. In July, Truman predicted the impact of the Soviets opening a new front. In a diary entry made during the Potsdam Conference, he wrote that Stalin assured him “he’ll be in the Jap War on August 15th. Fini Japs when that comes about.”

Right on Stalin’s original schedule, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan two days after the August 6 bombing of Hiroshima. That same day — August 8 — Emperor Hirohito told the country’s civilian leaders that he still wanted to pursue a negotiated surrender that would preserve his reign.

On August 9, Soviet attacks commenced on three fronts. News of Stalin’s invasion of Manchuria prompted Hirohito to call a new meeting to discuss surrender — at 10 am, one hour before the strike on Nagasaki. The final surrender decision came on August 10.
Three-year old Shinichi Tetsutani, burned as he was riding this tricycle when the atomic bomb hit Hiroshima, died a painful death that night (Hiroki Kobayashi/
National Geographic)

The Soviet timeline makes the atomic bombings all the more troubling: One would think a US government that’s appropriately hesitant to incinerate and irradiate hundreds of thousands of civilians would want to first see how a Soviet declaration of war affected Japan’s calculus.

As it turns out, the Japanese surrender indeed appears to have been prompted by the Soviet entry into the war on Japan — not by the atomic bombs. “The Japanese leadership never had photo or video evidence of the atomic blast and considered the destruction of Hiroshima to be similar to the dozens of conventional strikes Japan had already suffered,” wrote Josiah Lippincott at The American Conservative.

Sadly, the evidence points to a US government determined to drop atomic bombs on Japanese cities as an end in itself, to such an extent that it not only ignored Japan’s interest in surrender, but worked to ensure that surrender was delayed until after upwards of 210,000 people — disproportionately women, children and elderly — were killed in the two cities.

Make no mistake: This was a deliberate targeting of civilian populations. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen because they were pristine, and could thus fully showcase the bombs’ power. Hiroshima was home to a small military headquarters, but the fact that both cities had gone untouched by a strategic bombing campaign that began 14 months earlier certifies their military and industrial insignificance.

“The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing,” Eisenhower would later say. “I hated to see our country be the first to use such a weapon.”

According to his pilot, General Douglas MacArthur, commander of US Army Forces Pacific, was “appalled and depressed by this Frankenstein monster.”

“When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb,” wrote journalist Norman Cousins, “I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted…He saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor.”

What then, was the purpose of devastating Hiroshima and Nagasaki with atomic bombs?

A key insight comes from Manhattan Project physicist Leo Szilard. In 1945, Szilard organized a petition, signed by 70 Manhattan Project scientists, urging Truman not to use atomic bombs against Japan without first giving the country a chance to surrender, on terms that were made public.

In May 1945, Szilard met with Secretary of State Byrnes to urge atomic restraint. Byrnes wasn’t receptive to the plea. Szilard — the scientist who’d drafted the pivotal 1939 letter from Albert Einstein urging FDR to develop an atomic bomb — recounted:

"[Byrnes] was concerned about Russia's postwar behavior. Russian troops had moved into Hungary and Rumania, and Byrnes thought it would be very difficult to persuade Russia to withdraw her troops from these countries, that Russia might be more manageable if impressed by American military might, and that a demonstration of the bomb might impress Russia."


Burned to impress Stalin: A victim of the US atomic bombing of Hiroshima (AP /The Association of the Photographers of the Atomic Bomb Destruction of Hiroshima, Yotsugi Kawahara)

Whether the atomic bomb’s audience was in Tokyo or Moscow, some in the military establishment championed alternative ways to demonstrate its power.

Lewis Strauss, Special Assistant to the Navy Secretary, said he proposed “that the weapon should be demonstrated over… a large forest of cryptomeria trees not far from Tokyo. The cryptomeria tree is the Japanese version of our redwood… [It] would lay the trees out in windrows from the center of the explosion in all directions as though they were matchsticks, and, of course, set them afire in the center. It seemed to me that a demonstration of this sort would prove to the Japanese that we could destroy any of their cities at will.”

Strauss said Navy Secretary Forrestal “agreed wholeheartedly,” but Truman ultimately decided an optimal demonstration required burning hundreds of thousands of noncombatants and laying waste to their cities. The buck stops there.
A victim of the atomic bomb

The particular means of inflicting these mass murders — a solitary object dropped from a plane at 31,000 feet — helps warp Americans’ evaluation of its morality. Using an analogy, historian Robert Raico cultivates ethical clarity:

“Suppose that, when we invaded Germany in early 1945, our leaders had believed that executing all the inhabitants of Aachen, or Trier, or some other Rhineland city would finally break the will of the Germans and lead them to surrender. In this way, the war might have ended quickly, saving the lives of many Allied soldiers. Would that then have justified shooting tens of thousands of German civilians, including women and children?”

The claim that dropping the atomic bombs saved a half-million American lives is more than just empty: Truman’s stubborn refusal to provide advance assurances about the retention of Japan’s emperor arguably cost American lives.

That’s true not only of a war against Japan that lasted longer than it needed to, but also of a Korean War precipitated by the US-invited Soviet invasion of Japanese-held territory in northeast Asia. More than 36,000 US service members died in the Korean War — among a staggering 2.5 million total military and civilian dead on both sides of the 38th Parallel.

We like to think of our system as one in which the supremacy of civilian leaders acts as a rational, moderating force on military decisions. The needless atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki — against the wishes of World War II’s most revered military leaders — tells us otherwise.

Sadly, the destructive effects of the Hiroshima myth aren’t confined to Americans’ understanding of events in August 1945. “There are hints and notes of the Hiroshima myth that persist all through modern times,” State Department whistleblower and author Peter Van Buren said on The Scott Horton Show.

The Hiroshima myth fosters a depraved indifference to civilian casualties associated with US actions abroad, whether it’s women and children slaughtered in a drone strike in Afghanistan, hundreds of thousands dead in an unwarranted invasion of Iraq, or a baby who dies for lack of imported medicine in US-sanctioned Iran.

Ultimately, to embrace the Hiroshima myth is to embrace a truly sinister principle: That, in the correct circumstances, it’s right for governments to intentionally harm innocent civilians. Whether the harm is inflicted by bombs or sanctions, it’s a philosophy that mirrors the morality of al Qaeda.

That’s not the only thread connecting 1945 to 2023, as Truman’s insistence on unconditional surrender is echoed by the Biden administration’s utter disinterest in pursuing a negotiated peace in Ukraine.

Today, confronting an adversary with 6,000 nuclear warheads — each a thousand times more powerful than the bombs dropped on Japan — Biden’s own stubborn perpetuation of war puts us all at risk of sharing the fate of Hiroshima and Nagasaki’s innocents.


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To: SeekAndFind

Of course to prove their virtue every one of these military experts volunteered to be in the first wave on Japanese D Day right?
This is a pile of lies that were written by liars that hate America and certainly hate America’s middle and lower classes who would have had to storm the Japanese beaches and be killed to prove what wonderful people America’s elite were/are.


161 posted on 08/07/2023 3:27:28 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Freedom is never free. It must be won rewon and jealously guarded.)
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To: poconopundit
I understand just what you mean, having lived in Japan for a few years myself as a military dependent...

I read an excellent book titled: "Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Aftermath of World War II", and I must say, the qualities that made Japan a most formidable and tenacious enemy in wartime were turned in on themselves in a postwar Japan to make them a most formidable and tenacious economic opponent.

In the book, it covered end-to-end just what your friend Toda-san meant when he said: "If you’re going to conquered by a foreign nation, it’s best to get beat by the Americans!"

To me, that reflects on why I love my country so much, and feel such great pain and anger to see it dragged down by its own people...and also, Toda-san's sentiment reflects (in my mind) most favorably on the Japanese themselves.

After such a war, I have always felt as if we were a most generous victor, and have always been impressed that honest Japanese, even if in only guarded and private moments, often seem to recognize that truth.

162 posted on 08/07/2023 3:40:33 AM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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To: NorthMountain

Source: The White House Years: Mandate for Change: 1953-1956: A Personal Account (New York: Doubleday, 1963), pp. 312-313.


163 posted on 08/07/2023 3:43:18 AM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: cuz1961

Source: The White House Years: Mandate for Change: 1953-1956: A Personal Account (New York: Doubleday, 1963), pp. 312-313.


164 posted on 08/07/2023 3:43:56 AM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: DesertRhino

“Would anyone ask MacArthur his opinion of the war in Europe. Ike was wrong if serious.”

If you read the article, they also cited a quote from MacArthur.


165 posted on 08/07/2023 3:46:01 AM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Don't know if these quotes are true, but more died in the fire bombing of Tokyo than with those blasts.

My Dad was in the Phillipines and his 2 cousins were on ships headed for the invasion, after fighting for over a year.

166 posted on 08/07/2023 4:00:03 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I scanned the entire article and didn’t read a single reference to Okinawa, or even Iwo Jima. This is all fake and lies.


167 posted on 08/07/2023 4:11:43 AM PDT by KobraKai
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To: SeekAndFind

Bull$***. THEY attacked us FIRST.

I don’t believe these quotes.

Thousands of American boys fought and lost their lives or were wounded horribly and had their lives totally disrupted for ever by these maniacs and their buddies in Germany snd later Stalin and his successors.

They fought like demons to the death on foreign islands
AND WOULD HAVE FOUGHT HARDER IN JAPAN.

AFTER WHAT THESE SAVAGES DID IN MANCHURIA AND KOREA AND CHINA AND THE PHILLIPINES THEY HAVE NO VALID ARGUMENTS

THERE WERE A LOT OF INCINERATED GERMANS IN DRESDEN AND OTHER CITIES.

THEY HAVE STILL REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE OR APOLOGIZE FOR THEIR ATROCITIES

IF THE BOMBS SAVED AMERICAN LIVES I DON’T CARE IF IMPRESSING THAT OTHER MANIC STALIN WAS AN OBJECTIVE ALSO., I DON’T GIVE A DAMN.

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF REVISIONIST, ANTI-AMERICAN, ANTI-WESTERN HISTORIANS PUTTING OUT THIS BULLS*** WOKE GARBAGE.


168 posted on 08/07/2023 4:24:34 AM PDT by ZULU (HOOVER, FREEH, MUELLER, COMEY, WRAY, SUCCESSION OF STATIST TRAITORS)
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To: SeekAndFind

Given the choice of one quick flash of light or months of starvation, brutal torture, disease, over-work in a Japanese prison camp, I’d choose the former ANY day. It was WAY more humane.


169 posted on 08/07/2023 4:25:24 AM PDT by joethedrummer (We can't vote our way out of this, folks..)
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To: SeekAndFind

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The history of this leftist loon


170 posted on 08/07/2023 4:26:14 AM PDT by ZULU (HOOVER, FREEH, MUELLER, COMEY, WRAY, SUCCESSION OF STATIST TRAITORS)
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To: SeekAndFind

I see. The guy who orchestrated the fire bombing of Tokyo that killed more than the atomic bombing was a secret anti-American sensative socialist hunny-bunny.

Well that settles it. Time to chuck the Constitution.


171 posted on 08/07/2023 4:34:03 AM PDT by Eastern Shore Virginian (I am 100% certain.........but I may be wrong.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Revisionist history.


172 posted on 08/07/2023 4:39:19 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot (Recovering Kalifornian... Loving Alabama!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The attack on Pearl Harbor was needless.


173 posted on 08/07/2023 4:40:48 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Skooz

Aside from whether or not the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary to force complete Japanese surrender (I’m completely confident they were), the demonstration of what the weapons could do has prevented humanity slipping into an all out third world war for going on 80 years. A record Joe Biden is limping us toward ending.


174 posted on 08/07/2023 4:42:44 AM PDT by katana
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To: SeekAndFind

May not have been necessary but great payback for Pearl Harbor and the treat of American POWs.


175 posted on 08/07/2023 4:48:07 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: No Party Affiliation

True... we hear it every August. AS IF Japan was innocently drawn into WWII.

They WERE given some very explicit an direct notifications about the bombings ...days ahead.

They chose to take their chances.


176 posted on 08/07/2023 4:51:51 AM PDT by SMARTY (“Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.” Thomas Sowell)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“After Nagasaki, they changed their mind.”

The timing might suggest it, but also the Russians were bearing down on Japan and that scared the Hell out of them.


177 posted on 08/07/2023 4:55:05 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: SeekAndFind
It seems like most Freepers on this thread are missing the most important point.

Dropping atomic bombs on civilian populations was both morally bankrupt and completely unnecessary for one key reason:

After what we have experienced here in the U.S. over the last 3+ years, there is absolutely no reason to accept anything the government says at face value.

And that was as true in 1945 as it is today.

178 posted on 08/07/2023 4:56:33 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (“Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.”)
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To: 21twelve

I was sort of a nut on WWII since the late 60’s. I did a lot of reading. I do think a lot of people are trying to rewrite history. It’s not that they are bad people. It’s really just that they need something to talk about. It gets clicks.

In a nutshell, using those bombs saved millions of lives on both sides and using two bombs sent a message to Russia that we had more than one, so back off.

Sure, there are infinite nuances, but that’s it in a nutshell.


179 posted on 08/07/2023 4:56:52 AM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Total bulls***. The atomic bombs saved millions of lives, both American and Japanese.


180 posted on 08/07/2023 5:17:49 AM PDT by EastTexasTraveler
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