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Question for FREEPER's About Single Action Revolvers
n/a | 12/3/2021 | selg

Posted on 12/03/2021 12:33:12 PM PST by budj

Baldwin said he pulled the hammer back and released it and the pistol fired without pulling the trigger. The pistol was a replica Pietta, but we don't know now if it had a transfer bar. Assume it doesn't.

Has anyone here ever had that happen, or have known that it happened?


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To: KTM rider

“the cowboys in the old movies used to just fan the hammer for rapid fire”

I have been picturing that also all this time since the shooting.


21 posted on 12/03/2021 12:50:36 PM PST by acoulterfan
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To: budj

Also I gotta wonder...had the gun been modified in any way?


22 posted on 12/03/2021 12:50:43 PM PST by V_TWIN
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To: acoulterfan

https://deadline.com/2021/11/george-clooney-on-rust-incident-thinks-gun-safety-1234874907/


23 posted on 12/03/2021 12:54:20 PM PST by acoulterfan
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To: budj

One has to wonder if there is film/video footage of the event which might reveal Baldwin’s actions in detail.


24 posted on 12/03/2021 12:54:47 PM PST by amorphous
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To: budj

SA revolvers would typically have an unloaded cylinder under the hammer for a reason. But when you cock it, guess what? I don’t think AB understands very much about guns.


25 posted on 12/03/2021 12:54:58 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: Raven6

Its all moot as far as the hammer block or not as far as I’m concerned because the larger question is why did he point the weapon at someone? Is it confirmed that the weapon wasn’t a Colt Thunderer clone? The Thunderer has a smaller frame size so it might be a little more manageable for people with tiny hands like Baldwin. This might be why Bill McLarty and John Wesley Hardin carried them on the frontier


26 posted on 12/03/2021 12:56:39 PM PST by atc23 (The Matriarchal Society we embrace has led to masks and mandates and the cult of "safety")
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To: budj

Wouldn’t you have to pull the hammer back until it hits a ‘click’ that holds the hammer back? Then you’d aim and pull the trigger. If his finger slipped before it fully cocked it could happen.


27 posted on 12/03/2021 12:56:50 PM PST by SkyDancer ( I make airplanes fly, what's your super power?)
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To: budj

I think this scenario is the source of “Going off half-cocked!” Early revolvers were not designed to modern safety standards, the intent was multiple shots without need of reloading. One thing for certain in Hollywood for the near future, gun safety is no joke and there is no such thing as a safe gun!


28 posted on 12/03/2021 12:59:15 PM PST by SES1066 (Ask not what the LEFT can do for you, rather ask what the LEFT is doing to YOU!)
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To: budj
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29 posted on 12/03/2021 1:01:22 PM PST by broken_clock (Go Trump! Still praying.)
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To: SkyDancer

Have to pull the hammer all the way back for the cylinder to fully rotate to the next cartridge and go into full battery. The hammer won’t fall unless the trigger is pulled.


30 posted on 12/03/2021 1:02:26 PM PST by Roklok
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To: Raven6

and the Thunderer is a double action. - just pull the trigger and it indexes the cylinder and drops the hammer on a round


31 posted on 12/03/2021 1:02:36 PM PST by atc23 (The Matriarchal Society we embrace has led to masks and mandates and the cult of "safety")
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To: plain talk
"Guns are pointed and fired at people in countless movies. After millions of rounds fired this way amazingly there have not been that many accidents. No. The problem lies elsewhere.

Agreed. It's looking more like the armorer lost chain of custody and believed no live rounds in the cylinder. As much as I despise Baldwin, it's not his responsibility to check for live rounds once he's told "cold gun".

Yes, us who don't have professional armorers will check once handed a gun even if checked by the person handing it to us. Yes, guns are always loaded. Actors have been depending on armorers since the Tom Mix days. There are a lot of restrictions and even laws that address gun safety on movie sets. The armorer is going down for this. She didn't do her job.

Plus, there should never have been even a blank in the aligned cylinder while doing the rehearsal. I've read that the cinematographer instructed Baldwin to aim at the camera and cock the gun somewhat. It was a perfect storm starting with the armorer.

32 posted on 12/03/2021 1:04:33 PM PST by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1787. Death Certificate - 2021. )
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To: Magnum44

Baldwin will never be charged. This County voted over 70% Biden. An indictment means the DA will lose her job.


33 posted on 12/03/2021 1:05:34 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: budj

does not matter. he pointed a loaded weapon and it discharged under his control.


34 posted on 12/03/2021 1:06:22 PM PST by Jonny7797
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To: plain talk

“The problem lies elsewhere.”

What I don’t understand is why anyone would bring real ammo to the set. What is the point of that unless you plan to hurt someone?


35 posted on 12/03/2021 1:07:52 PM PST by beef (The Chinese have a little secret—diversity is _not_ a strength.)
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To: coloradan

The critical evidence will be the shell casing and the nature of the hammer strike witness mark on the primer.


36 posted on 12/03/2021 1:08:51 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: SkyDancer
"Wouldn’t you have to pull the hammer back until it hits a ‘click’ that holds the hammer back? Then you’d aim and pull the trigger. If his finger slipped before it fully cocked it could happen."

Yes, and I've also read where the trigger sear can get worn after use even if the "click" happens at half-cocked. Near as I can tell, Baldwin didn't get to the first (half-cocked) sear and it either slipped out of his thumb from sweat/oil and the hammer firing pin hit the bullet primer.

This is all on the armorer. However, if Baldwin did fire others according to the crew and brought in a novice armorer, he probably has some liability.

37 posted on 12/03/2021 1:14:34 PM PST by A Navy Vet (USA Birth Certificate - 1787. Death Certificate - 2021. )
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To: Roklok

Just wondering though if the loaded chamber was coming into position for the hammer to fall without pulling the trigger; wasn’t there a picture of him pointing the gun in one hand while his left hand was away from him? If so, that hammer had to have been cocked over the live chamber as he pulled the trigger.


38 posted on 12/03/2021 1:15:50 PM PST by SkyDancer ( I make airplanes fly, what's your super power?)
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To: beef

“What I don’t understand is why anyone would bring real ammo to the set. What is the point of that unless you plan to hurt someone?”

What I don’t understand is why someone doesn’t understand why live ammo is used in certain shots in movies. And yet somehow after all these movies being made there are few accidents.

The problem is not pointing guns at people on movies sets or in certain cases using real ammo on selective scenes. This is done all the time.

The problem lies elsewhere.


39 posted on 12/03/2021 1:15:53 PM PST by plain talk
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To: frithguild

This putz went on national TV and lied his a$$ off. And people will feel sorry for him.


40 posted on 12/03/2021 1:15:57 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (If you are vaccinated, you cannot get COVID from someone who is not vaccinated. Lighted up Karen!)
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