Posted on 03/11/2019 2:51:56 PM PDT by Sopater
Over 1,000 doctoral scientists from around the world have signed a Dissent statement expressing skepticism about Darwins evolution theory, sparking fresh controversy over an idea that is at the core of many peoples worldview. The significant announcement, made last month, has been all but ignored by the establishment media. But it is making waves nevertheless.
The dissenting scientists all united around one simple statement. We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life, the Ph.D.s said. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged. There is scientific dissent from Darwinism. It deserves to be heard.
The growing rebellion among scientists from a broad range of scientific disciplines suggests the science may not be as settled as evolution theorists claim, according to analysts. Despite enormous risks to their careers and reputations, the number of experts willing to speak out about their skepticism of Darwins theory is growing quickly.
And many of the scientists speaking out about this are prominent and highly respected. More than a dozen of the signatories, for instance, are members of various national academies of science, including those in the United States, Russia, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and other nations, as well as the Royal Society.
More than a few come from America's most prestigious universities such as Harvard, MIT, Princeton, and Yale. Others come from prestigious foreign universities and research institutions such as the University of Cambridge, Londons Natural History Museum, Moscow State University, Hong Kong University, University of Stellenbosch in South Africa, Institut de Paléontologie Humaine in France, Ben-Gurion University in Israel, and more.
The experts speaking out also represent a broad array of scientific disciplines and fields. These include molecular biology, biochemistry, biology, entomology, computational quantum chemistry, microbiology, psychiatry, behavioral sciences, astrophysics, marine biology, cellular biology, physics, astronomy, math, geology, anthropology, and many more. Many medical doctors are raising questions, too.
As a biochemist I became skeptical about Darwinism when I was confronted with the extreme intricacy of the genetic code and its many most intelligent strategies to code, decode, and protect its information, explained Dr. Marcos Eberlin, founder of the Thomson Mass Spectrometry Laboratory and a member of the Brazilian National Academy of Sciences.
Among the prestigious scientists who have signed the statement are evolutionary biologist and textbook author Dr. Stanley Salthe; quantum chemist Henry Schaefer at the University of Georgia; U.S. National Academy of Sciences member Philip Skell; American Association for the Advancement of Science Fellow Lyle Jensen; Russian Academy of Natural Sciences embryologist Lev Beloussov; and geneticist Giuseppe Sermonti, editor emeritus of Rivista di Biologia / Biology Forum and discoverer of genetic recombination in antibiotic-producing Penicillium and Streptomyces.
The project, known as A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism, was first launched by the Discovery Institute in 2001. It was started in response to the demonstrably false claim by the tax-funded Public Broadcasting System (PBS) that virtually every scientist in the world believes the theory to be true. Obviously, that is not true. So Discovery Institute bought advertisements proving it in the New York Review of Books and other venues.
Since then, the number of public dissenters has grown tenfold. Indeed, many prominent scientists now dispute the evolution theory. A recent documentary that appeared on Netflix, Is Genesis History?, features myriad Ph.D. scientisists outlining their arguments against evolution and in favor of biblical creation.
This writer attended a conference in Turkey recently that brought together respected scientists from all over the world and from all different religions who argued that the evolution theory was a hoax. These included prestigious American scientists who have worked for NASA and leading U.S. universities. It also included Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Mormons, and more.
The Seattle-based Discovery Institute, which advocates for Intelligent Design, is still growing its list of well over 1,000 Ph.D. scientists who dissent from Neo-Darwinism and its central tenet the notion that random mutations and natural selection can generate the massive amount of genetic information present in living organisms. Indeed, critics of the evolution theory say there has never been a documented example of a mutation adding genetic information rather than destroying it.
Neurosurgery Professor Dr. Michael Egnor at State University of New York, Stony Brook, argued that scientists know intuitively that Darwinism can accomplish some things, but not others. The question is what is that boundary? Does the information content in living things exceed that boundary? Darwinists have never faced those questions, he explained. Theyve never asked scientifically, can random mutation and natural selection generate the information content in living things.
And the institute believes that the 1,000 plus scientists who have signed the statement represent the tip of a massive iceberg. While that number surely represents a scientific minority, it also no doubt vastly understates the number of Darwin-doubting PhD scientists, wrote Discovery Institute Senior Fellow David Klinghoffer at Evolution News.
When it comes to evolution, persecution is an all too well known fact of academic life. Endorsing Darwinian evolution is the safe careerist move, while questioning it can easily mean the end of your career, added Klinghoffer. So for every signer of the Dissent list, there is some multipliers worth of private skeptics in science, acting self-protectively. That is beyond reasonable doubt.
Indeed, the growing willingness of leading scientists to speak out with their doubts about Darwins theory of evolution is especially noteworthy because it comes in the face of increased persecution of dissenters.
In 2017, for example, California State University at Northridge (CSUN) fired a Christian scientist after he published explosive evidence indirectly contradicting the theory in a peer-reviewed journal. Basically, Mark Armitage, a microscopist, found soft tissue in a dinosaur bone that was supposed to be around 65 million years old, strongly indicating that the dinosaur in question died much more recently. The university paid him almost $400,000 in a settlement.
More than a few scientists have argued that peer pressure and fear are preventing an honest examination of the subject. Because no scientist can show how Darwins mechanism can produce the complexity of life, every scientist should be skeptical, said biologist Douglas Axe, director of the Biologic Institute. The fact that most wont admit to this exposes the unhealthy effect of peer pressure on scientific discourse.
Meanwhile, as more and more scientists speak out, Americans largely continue to reject the evolution theory as well, and interest in the question is surging. Despite the theory being taught to generations of American children in government schools as if it were a fact, recent polls show about half of Americans still believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible's Book of Genesis. In short, they believe that God created humans within fewer than 10,000 years. Only a minority fewer than 15 percent believe that godless evolution explains the origin of man, which is what is taught to children at government schools.
Where theres a genuine controversy, as there is about Darwinian theory, anyone in search of truth has no choice but to weigh the evidence for himself, observed the Discovery Institutes Klinghoffer. "The observation that, beyond doubt, thousands of scientists are skeptical, and that a thousand of them publicly call for further careful examination of the question, is one reason every thoughtful adult owes it to herself to consider the evidence without just passively swallowing the majority view.
Beyond the scientific aspects, there are also profound implications of the theory. One reason religious humanists such as public-education founding father John Dewey latched on to it so fervently is because it allowed them to exclude the existence of a Creator. America's Founding Fathers held as a self-evident truth that man was created, and endowed by that Creator certain rights. Humanists such as Dewey and his cohorts, who designed the modern public-school system, rejected that along with the concept of unalienable, God-given rights that governments exist to protect.
Regardless of what one thinks about the evolution theory, it is still a theory. To force Americans who disagree with this controversial theory to fund its propagation in taxpayer-funded government schools especially when no alternative is even allowed to be mentioned, and when the implications are so huge is immoral and wrong. Parents and taxpayers should take a lesson from these courageous scientists and speak out.
I saw what you wrote and knew right away what you intended.
I make plenty of mistakes like that...
Your post is an excellent summary and defense of science.
A good place to start any discussion of evolution theory.
How does a plant evolve to eat an insect??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_flytrap
And how does it get a NAME like... VENUS??
"Evolution theory" today is a far cry from what was understood in Darwin's time, over 150 years ago.
The breadths, depths & granularity of today's understandings are orders of magnitude greater than Darwin could even imagine.
And yet, and yet... in all those years basic evolution theory has never been verifiably falsified.
Indeed, much of what was "just theory" to Darwin has now been observed as facts.
Point is: it's important we keep in mind scientific distinctions between observed facts, confirmed theories, falsifiable hypotheses and research "brain storming".
Most of what Darwin himself proposed is now observed fact.
What you call "a crock" is likely just a creature of your own imagination.
Tell me exactly what Darwin proposed. Not what you think he proposed. It isn’t what you think........................
In the first edition of “On the Origin of Species” in 1859, Charles Darwin speculated about how natural selection could cause a land mammal to turn into a whale. As a hypothetical example, Darwin used North American black bears, which were known to catch insects by swimming in the water with their mouths open:
“I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale,” he speculated.
The idea didn’t go over very well with the public. Darwin was so embarrassed by the ridicule he received that the swimming-bear passage was removed from later editions of the book.
You just have to be careful with such claims.
An awful lot of this "debate" boils down to definitions of terms...
So, there are indeed innumerable observed facts associated with evolution and many confirmed predictions, making Darwin's falsifiable hypothesis a valid theory.
There are also many related unconfirmed & unconfirmable hypotheses, along with notable research brainstorming.
I would put ideas like "panspermia" in the brainstorming category.
Here is a fact: in over 150 years basic evolution theory has never been strongly falsified.
May I quote from Speciation by Coyne and Orr?
So begins The Origin of Species, whose title and first paragraph imply that Darwin will have much to say about speciation. Yet his magnum opus remains largely silent on the "mystery of mysteries," and the little it does say about this mystery is seen by most modern evolutionists as muddled or wrong.ML/NJ
I would not derogatorily call our fellow conservatives "Luddites" just because they use a more traditional interpretation of scripture, one that precludes the possibility of taking natural-science philosophically.
They have to take science itself with a grain or salt, or two, and indeed that's just as science is supposed to take itself.
Natural-science was not originally intended to be an overarching philosophy, only a methodological assumption -- meaning, we will assume, only for explanation purposes: no supernatural interventions in natural processes.
It doesn't mean there aren't any, only that natural-science can't & won't deal with them.
Science leaves such matters to theology, philosophy, metaphysics & saints, etc.
When you make such natural-science assumptions, "Darwinism" is a natural result.
But if we have any faith in the Bible and the Deity, then we know that God not only created but also has a role in natural processes, and evolution may yet prove a subject which cannot be fully explained without Him.
The usual term for that understanding is: theistic evolutionism = God directed complexification.
It doesn't mean even a single word of "evolution theory" is necessarily wrong, only that we believe it to be... incomplete.
going hot: "The remainder."
Seems to me there was a very similar article posted on Free Republic maybe 10 years ago, leading me to wonder if this isn't simply an updated listing of the same thing?
At the time, on that thread there was speculation many who signed were not experts in a related field, so I notice this time the article stresses many are.
I also notice the signed statement itself is pretty bland:
They're looking for research jobs.
So, you can cite chapter & verse where it says math must be employed to confirm a theory?
No, of course not, that's nonsense.
A theory is confirmed by, among other things, making predictions later observed as facts.
For a listing of some Darwin predictions confirmed, see this link
I can cite David Berlinski and his who is much more eloquent than I.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6ElA0--JNg
I also like the one about the probability of a single protein falling together in an entire earth sized ocean of amino acids assuming that for some reason they'd try to fall together and at the first error they'd try again.
Sopater: "Only if you assume many things that cannot be known...
Hence, why it cannot be truly calibrated. "
Oh, but C14 dating can be, and has been, rather precisely calibrated by numerous cross-references to other dating methods, such as tree rings, ice cores, archeological & even historical data.
Of course, there are still small margins of error, but certainly not large enough to invalidate the entire process.
Sopater: " Sorry, but '[f]acts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.' "
Exactly.
“dissent” is not a refutation of an accepted theory.
Every theory is subject to scientific “dissent” these guys act like they invented it, and through sheer numbers intimidate.
They are a bunch of drama queens pretending that there is a conspiracy against them where none exists.
They know little of faith and even less about science.
They assume that faith and science must agree and pervert both to get to their chosen end.
As a group the 1,000 of them fail to make any case for being taken seriously.
It seems logical to me, a Ph.D chemical engineer with more peer reviewed articles in science journals than in engineering journals, that complex live organisms did not simply "spontaneously" form directly from a group of raw simple molecules coming together to form complex living organisms. In that sense, you are correct.
"Spontaneously" is the problem in your statement. I think those raw simple molecules would very likely form more and more stable complex precursor molecules given long eons of time and immense numbers of interactions with immense numbers of other molecules. Those more and more complex molecules, while not "alive" in a conventional sense, could have had greater probabilities of forming still more complex molecules that might be self replicating and ultimately lead to live simple organisms.
We do not yet know the precise path that formed those intermediate complex molecules that led to living, reproducing, simple organisms. But complex molecules such as amino acids have been formed in laboratories from simple raw chemicals.
The following link might be of interest to you:
Yes. There is that. Like to check the geysers on Enceladus to see if life exists there. Or perhaps Europa.
This link has a summary of "Darwinism".
Here is a summary of that summary:
"These are the basic tenets of evolution by natural selection as defined by Darwin:
I learned it as two confirmed observations (aka facts) operating together:
And yet later discoveries showed it to be a pretty good analogy.
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