Posted on 11/23/2016 6:01:04 PM PST by Loud Mime
I am studying our Civil War; anybody have any recommendations for reading?
To determine that you can't provide an answer that addresses the original question. That cut-n-paste talks about the U.S. leaving Sumter. I must be missing the part where the Confederates offered to pay for it. Or their share of the debt. Or the federal property they had seized. All the things you expect California to do.
Isn’t it interesting how this latest batch of lost cause losers engage in wild hair-splitting exercises, desperately trying to find trapdoors in the DOL, the US Constitution, and the Founders’s words.
The plain, unvarnished truth is that the Founders put their hearts, minds, and souls to creating and defining the most elegant governmental system on the planet. It wasn’t perfect, but it beats any of the alternatives. And they deliberately termed it a perpetual union, not a loose confederation of convenience.
In 1860-61 the southern slavers had a temper tantrum at losing an election and conspired to tear that governmental system apart. History proves the horrible fallacy of their decision, yet these losers continue to serve as apologists and useful tools for the con-feds.
They would willingly and deliberately put our nation in harms way in order to justify and satisfy their twisted notions of “independence”. They are the LAST ones I would ever willingly share a foxhole with and it is only with the greatest of hesitation that I regard them as my countrymen.
Anything by Bruce Canton.
The states which became the Confederacy had been paying nearly 3/4ths of all the federal expenses. It is the 20 Million Northerners who weren't paying their fair share.
This is the opposite problem from what California has.
So I assume that is your left-handed way of admitting that the Southern states never made an offer to pay for anything? So why should California? I'm sure they can invent all sorts of claims on how they paid more than their fair share for years just as easily as you can. And can therefore walk away without any obligations at all.
You cannot invoke a right given by God to justify your own independence, and then claim it is constrained by man.
Then how can you constrain it by placing burdens on California before allowing them to leave?
“And they deliberately termed it a perpetual union, not a loose confederation of convenience.”
That is an interesting comment. Can you point to where in the Constitution the term perpetual union appears?
Southern agents form the Confederacy were sent to Washington to negotiate peace and reparations but Lincoln would have none of it. Read the Bloody Goon’s second Inaugural para. 2 I think.
No, they weren't.
On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.
-- A. Lincoln 1865
SO YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN.
You might get to “live it” rather than read about it ?
Since when have you believed anything Lincoln said?
The Southern commissioners were there to demand recognition only. No offer to pay for anything that was seized or obligations that were repudiated was ever made. Or likely ever contemplated by the Confederates.
Just wow.
(Note to self: This is not pretty. The bludgeoning of BJK with facts and logic has gone too far. He has lost his ability to bob and weave. Enough. We must do what is right and give him time to regain composure.)
Listen to his own words. Read it and accept it. The South wanted to negotiate. He said it. What is your cognitive problem?
Lincoln said it, Davis did not. In his letter to Lincoln introducing the Confederate representatives there was no mention about negotiating any payments for anything. Or negotiating anything else that wasn't of interest to the Confederacy.
Bwahahahaha! Yea, sure. They practically invented negotiation at the point of a sword.
Did you read The Bloody Baboon’s own words stupid?
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