Posted on 08/03/2015 9:23:24 AM PDT by demshateGod
I won't take a lot of time on this. Trump's liberalism is well documented: gun control, abortion, Sodomite rights, illegal immigration, giving to the Clinton Foundation, taxes, single-payer, not a sincere Christian, and whatever else you got.
He's a liberal. I will not vote for a liberal. People on FR are being duped by the media into nominating someone who turns off a huge chunk of the base. Even if Trump can pull in enough Low Information Votes to become president, the conservatives still lose.
How about I limit it to 3 years ago, when he said that Romney, of all people, was being too hard on illegals?
(Newsmax 2012) I could probably find a bunch more.
>> Trump is a big government liberal who just recently put on a populist costume <<
You nailed it. And I have no doubt that he could make the trains run on time.
Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Well Trump is a billionaire. He’s on TV. How much money do you have? How many TV shows have you been on? Trump was on The View. Have you ever been on The View?
That was 15 years ago. It doesn’t matter now because now he’s running against Jeb Bush.
“I’m not screaming at the Trump people...”
So if I point out that their constant accusation (that if we don’t support Trump, we are supporting Jeb) is BS, that is “screaming at the Trump people”?
Pro-homo marriage, to me, means someone who both says he’s for homo-marriage, and someone who says he’s against it but runs to the podium and proclaims it “the law of the land” and “a generational issue.”
I would have to look it up, but I thought Social Conservatives were 40% of the electorate and about 60% of primary voters... I’ll see if I can find it.
>> The system is rigged against any 3rd party candidate that doesn’t already start out as a third party <<
Yes, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t swing the election to the Dhims. If he could win only four or five per cent in a few important swing states like FL, OH, VA, NC and NV, he could keep the ‘Pubs from taking the electoral college.
Let’s just remember how few votes Ralph Nader got in FL in 2000 — and yet those votes are probably what put GWB in office. Without Nader’s tiny percentage, we would have had Algore in the POTUS slot.
If they are saying that, then that is a false dichotomy.
But I do think the official Trump supporters on FR are getting a bit tired of having their conservatism questioned simply because they are choosing to give the guy a fair chance and take him at his word that he means what he says. And there is a good deal of evidence that he doesn’t just go out and lie to people.
They are seeing a person actually articulate positions that most GOPers and a good number of conservatives can barely pull off without having to later apologize or wither under a leftist media onslaught, and on top of that he punches them back 5 times as hard.
That is a hard candidate to ignore, but we have plenty of people on this site that want them to do just that.
I am not questioning people on here, simply Trump. He still has time to convince me he has changed, however. I’d hate to see him elected and trying to push his wealth tax idea, for example.
In other words,
I have no deeply held political principles, and I always just tell people what they want to hear.
Seems to me like a pretty good summary of the Trump political program!
It is the summary of all of them, Trump is the only that says the truth.
See the difference? People like that.
Trump is an apolitical arrogant ahole. But if he convinces me he will lock down the border, kill jihadists and bring manufacturing back I will vote for him in a heartbeat if he is the nominee.
The “gay thing” and abortion are not mentioned in the U.S.Constitution. Therefore the States have the power over those items.
It is up to the social conservatives to put on their thinking caps and deal with it ON THE STATE LEVEL instead of always whining about it.
How many of the current Republican Presidential Candidates meet the requirements I Posted in my questions to you?
I don’t know of a one, so I guess you won’t be Voting Republican in the General Election.
If you find one that personally agrees with you, how would that translate into them making your beliefs a reality? Most People here feel just as you do, but they also understand the Reality of Politics.
As I pointed out in my earlier Post, Ronald Reagan’s personal Beliefs did nothing to stem Abortion, and he had eight years to try and make it happen.
I am not trying to change your beliefs, just pointing out that whatever Candidate you Vote for will do nothing but possibly Restrict Abortion in some form such as the 20 Week Ban being discussed today. There will be no reversal of newly found (imagined - invented) Gay Civil Rights.
I won’t waste any more of your time my FRiend. We are all here to share our thoughts and opinions and although we are on the same side of most issues in general, we have differing views in how to deal with them.
I have to get to Work. I wish you well.
None of that can happen until we’re liberated from the oligarchs.
Yep, could be. I was trying to be gentle with those who think Trump is the second coming of Ronald Reagan.
And, I do like what Trump is doing right now. We needed a blast of hot air like that. And, then it will be time for the serious adults.
I got this in my email today. Made me even more excited about him:
Urgent Message from Donald J. Trump
Dear Friend,
Are you ready to Make American Great Again?
Since I announced my candidacy for the Republican nomination for president I have soared to first place in the polls, defying the mainstream media and the GOP establishment.
I am rising in the polls because of you – and the fact that I am offering the American people an alternative to the inept career politicians who talk big but never produce results.
I have a long track record of producing big results. Very big results.
Frankly, I am running for president because I hate seeing what is happening to America – the country I love so much.
I am sick and tired of China and Mexico and all other countries beating us at the negotiating table – getting one-sided trade deals from Washington officials.
They have been letting these countries rip off our jobs, killing our potential for economic growth.
Let’s face it, America is in deep trouble.
We are a laughing stock around the globe as our incompetent leaders like Obama and Hillary Clinton get outmaneuvered.
Our economy is a disaster.
I think the American people are ready for some hard truths.
You know I call it the way I see it.
Thanks to Obama, the American dream is dead.
But I can bring it back – bigger and better and stronger than ever before.
A few weeks ago the political establishment went crazy when I pointed out the fact that some illegal aliens from Mexico, being pushed into our country by the Mexican government, are bringing crime, drugs and murder to the United States.
The media tried to smear me, claiming I was “racist” and that I attacked the Mexican people.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
I forced the media to focus on a number of horrific crimes in which U.S. citizens were killed by illegal immigrants who got into the country because our borders are so porous practically anyone can walk into the United States.
In the face of this media onslaught, my poll numbers actually went up.
I even pulled well ahead of Jeb Bush, the supposed “front-runner.”
Bush is a weak and ineffective leader who would merely preside over the continued decline of this country. If he gets the nomination, we lose in 2016.
I am very critical of John McCain’s record in the U.S. Senate. He has done little to help veterans.
John McCain has been in the Senate for 30 years and worked closely with Senator Bernie Sanders to pass legislation to ensure that no one was held responsible for the scandal at Obama’s Veterans Administration, in which over 1,000 of our veterans died waiting for medical care.
Ironically many of these veterans died in the VA hospital in Phoenix, Arizona – McCain’s home state!
It’s just like Benghazi – incompetent and pathetic officials screw up, then Americans die . . . and no one in Washington is held responsible.
My concern is for all those men and women who served this country.
As president, I would build the finest Veterans Hospital system in the world where our veterans would have universal access – and I will do it for far less in tax dollars than we are spending now on our disgraceful broken Veterans Administration health care system.
The political establishment is in shock over the way I have taken the lead in the presidential race – and they are scared to death.
I am not afraid – I know Americans like you are with me.
Because my campaign will be funded mostly with my own money, the Washington insiders know that the lobbyists and special interests will have no influence in a Trump administration.
The special interests know you can’t “buy” me.
As I have traveled across the country I have met thousands of Americans who want to join our crusade. Actually, some people are calling it a movement.
The media, however, wants to claim that I have no grass-roots support.
I want to prove them wrong. I am asking you to stand with me and join with me today.
I believe so much in this campaign and that we can Make America Great Again, that I will match dollar-for-dollar every dollar donated by people like you.
If you will send a contribution of $25, $50, $100, $250 or more I will personally match whatever gift you give.
If you can send $500, $1,000 or more, I will also match that.
Show your support – Go Here Now
I want to show the liberal media that not since the days of Ronald Reagan has there been such a grass-roots movement of people ready to transform our party and our country.
My #1 goal is to create the greatest economic boom in American history, to unleash the incredible spirit of free enterprise in this country – get America moving again!
I have been tremendously blessed in this country.
I want all American families to share in the great economic opportunities this country offers.
I am very rich and I created something very special.
I want to make you and the American people rich.
I have no doubt the liberal media and the GOP establishment will continue to attack me.
But, make no mistake, I will never back down or apologize in the fight to make America great again.
Stand with me today and send a powerful message to the establishment by supporting my campaign
Please rush me your answer today – Go Here Now.
Sincerely,
Donald J. Trump
P.S. I so strongly believe in what I am doing that I am willing to match every dollar you contribute to my campaign. Jeb Bush just raised over $100 million from Washington insiders. His donors are not donating to me because they can’t own me. Show America you want to join me in taking back Washington – Go Here Now
Paid for by Donald J. Trump for President, Inc.
Huckabee isn’t serious about running again IMO...and I won’t vote for re-runs anyway..not this time.... There are far too many Much better qualified and interested in winning. He’s simply a fill-in for the plan we see operating.
Besides the last time Huckabee ‘successfully’ ran for public office was his gubernatorial reelection bid in 2002..not exactly material for a robust presidential campaign any ore than it was when he ran for Pres. before.
Need we be reminded that Huckabee’s political relevance is what got him his show on Fox. ...Prior to entering politics, Huckabee worked as a pastor hardly the one-percent dream he’s living now...... Thanks to that Fox News income, Huckabee lives in a $3 million Florida beach home.
.. Huckabee even acknowledged that it’d be tough to relinquish his lavish lifestyle. So I see Huckabees run as ‘a celebrity run’ to maintain his books and his programs which look like they’re history anyway..even in the future.
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