Anti-Science, Anti-Vaccine Movement Enters 2016 Race

Investor's Business Daily ^ | February 5, 2015 | IBD EDITORIALS

[raptor22]

ulture: An unlikely issue has entered the infant 2016 presidential campaign: Vaccines and required vaccinations. Let's hope the fact there's no scientific link to autism or anything else isn't lost in the political fray.

Candidates will often look for an edge over their opponents. Thus, both New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky recently suggested that, while vaccinations are good, forcing parents to vaccinate their children might be too much.

We believe vaccines are safe and should be routine, but concern about parents' rights is not unreasonable. What really gripes us, however, is listening to the media make this out to be an issue dreamed up by anti-science, right-wing kooks. Far from it.

The issue has been pushed in recent years almost entirely by the left. Hollywood progressives and others in the media (see editorial, below) have promoted the idea that vaccines have possible nasty effects, such as autism, and that they're reason to keep kids from being vaccinated.

[Dr. Thorne]

Sure. Why shouldn't I trust Big Pharma and shoot some unknown quantity into my daughter's body?

They always produce safe products...except these:

[raptor22]

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[GunRunner]

p.s. The Amish do not vaccinate and there is not one case of autism among them.

Debunked this same talking point last night on another thread.

Looks like it's another lie that never dies, just like Wakefield's fraudulent research:

Anecdotal Amish-don’t-vaccinate claims disproved by fact-based study

[goldstategop]

Sure, there are some people who have a negative reaction to medicine.

But that’s no reason to keep it away from the vast majority who stand to benefit from it.

Life doesn’t come with guarantees.

And your argument is really for reforming the FDA’s oversight of the pharmaceutical industry rather than for doing away with vaccines.

[OneWingedShark]

But the question is, who owns your kids, you or some government functionary.

“Show me a coin. Whose image and name are on it?”
They said, “Caesar’s.”
Jesus said to them, “Then give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and give to God the things that are God’s.”

So God created human beings in his image. In the image of God he created them. He created them male and female.

Hm, maybe the answer is neither.

[GunRunner]

To me, however, this issue is more about illegal immigrants than it is vaccinating children.

This is nonsensical. One of the reasons the third world has more disease is a lack of immunization.

Shouldn't illegals be healthier since they don't vaccinate?

The anti-vaxxer movement jumped the shark 10 years ago. No excuse for this type of stupidity in 2015.

[GunRunner]

doctors and medical establishment that are pushing MULTIPLE vaccinations at ONCE, when they should be spacing them out in order to give the body a chance to recover after each one.

There's no medical evidence to support the "spacing out" of vaccines.

[Buckeye McFrog]

A number of us on the right also mistrust vaccines, due to our general mistrust of government. (look up the 1975 Swine Flu Vaccine fiasco)

[marron]

But that’s no reason to keep it away from the vast majority who stand to benefit from it.

Its not a matter of keeping it away. Its a matter of commanding people to take it under force of law.

What are you prepared to do to the person who refuses?

[Dr. Thorne]

Sure. Why shouldn't I trust Big Pharma and shoot some unknown quantity into my daughter's body?

They always produce safe products...except these:

Drugs pulled from the market due to dangerous or fatal side effects-

Adderall XR
Alatrofloxacin
Alpidem (Ananxyl)
Alosetron (Lotronex)
Althesin (=Alphaxolone amineptine + Alphadolone)
Amineptine (Survector)
Aminopyrine
Amobarbital
Amoproxan
Anagestone acetate
Antrafenine
Aprotinin (Trasylol)
Ardeparin (Normiflo)
Astemizole (Hismanal)
Azaribine
Bendazac
Benoxaprofen
Benzarone
Benziodarone
Beta-ethoxy-lacetanilanide
Bezitramide
Bithionol
Broazolam
Bromfenac
Bucetin
Buformin
Bunamiodyl
Butamben (Efocaine)(Butoforme)
Canrenone
Cerivastatin (Baycol, Lipobay)
Chlormadinone (Chlormenadione)
Chlormezanone (Trancopal)
Chlorphentermine
Cianidanol
Cinepazide
Cisapride (Propulsid)
Clioquinol
Clobutinol
Cloforex
Clomacron
Clometacin
Co-proxamol (Distalgesic)
Cyclobarbital
Cyclofenil
Dantron
Dexfenfluramine
Propoxyphene (Darvocet/Darvon)
Diacetoxydiphenolisatin
Diethylstilbestrol
Difemerine
Dihydrostreptomycin
Dilevalol
Dimazol (Diamthazole)
Dimethylamylamine (DMAA)
Dinoprostone
Dipyrone(Metamizole)
Dithiazanine iodide
Dofetilide
Drotrecogin alfa (Xigris)
Ebrotidine
Efalizumab (Raptiva)
Encainide
Ethyl carbamate
Etretinate
Exifone
Fen-phen (popular combination of fenfluramine and phentermine)
Fenclofenac
Fenclozic acid
Fenfluramine
Fenoterol
Feprazone
Fipexide
Flosequinan (Manoplax)
Flunitrazepam
Gatifloxacin
Gemtuzumab ozogamicin (Mylotarg)
Glafenine
Grepafloxacin (Raxar)
Hydromorphone (Palladone)]
Ibufenac
Indalpine
Indoprofen
Iodinated casein strophantin
Iproniazid
Isaxonine phosphate
Isoxicam
Ketorolac
Levamisole (Ergamisol)
Lumiracoxib (Prexige)
Mebanazine
Methandrosteronolone
Methapyrilene
Methaqualone
Metipranolol
Metofoline
Mibefradil
Mibefradil (Posicor)
Minaprine
Moxisylyte
Muzolimine
Natalizumab (Tysabri)
Nefazodone
Nialamide
Nikethamide
Nitrefazole
Nomifensine
Oxeladin
Oxyphenbutazone
Oxyphenisatin (Phenisatin)
Ozogamicinv
Pemoline (Cylert)
Pentobarbital
Pentylenetetrazol
Pergolide (Permax)
Perhexilene
Phenacetin
Phenformin and Buformin
Phenolphthalein
Phenoxypropazine
Phenylbutazone
Phenylpropanolamine(Propagest, Dexatrim)
Pifoxime (=Pixifenide)
Pirprofen
Prenylamine
Proglumide
Pronethalol
Propanidid
Proxibarbal
Pyrovalerone
Rapacuronium (Raplon)
Remoxipride
Rimonabant (Acomplia)
Rofecoxib (Vioxx)
Rosiglitazone (Avandia)
Secobarbital
Sertindole
Sibutramine (Reductil/Meridia)
Sitaxentan
Sorivudine
Sparfloxacin
Sulfacarbamide
Sulfamethoxydiazine
Sulfamethoxypyridazine
Suloctidyl
Suprofen
Tegaserod (Zelnorm)
Temafloxacin
Temazepam (Restoril, Euhypnos, Normison, Remestan, Tenox, Norkotral)
Terfenadine (Seldane, Triludan)
Terodiline (Micturin)
Tetrazepam
Thalidomide
Thenalidine
Thiobutabarbitone
Thioridazine (Melleril)
Ticrynafen(Tienilic acid)
Tolcapone (Tasmar)
Tolrestat (Alredase)
Triacetyldiphenolisatin
Triparanol
Troglitazone (Rezulin)
Trovafloxacin (Trovan)
Valdecoxib (Bextra)
Vincamine
Xenazoic acid
Ximelagatran (Exanta)
Zimelidine
Zomepirac

[GunRunner]

With money to be made on any new vaccine that becomes mandatory, the nexus between law and money can’t be ignored.

Of course it can, because it has no merit.

[wbarmy]

And families who are worried can easily access that information and pick which vaccines to give their children.

But most of the vaccine horror stories are just that, horror stories. Measles vaccine has been used for years and any incidences of autism or other effects are very rare and statistically insignificant.

The vaccine has saved multiple millions from catching measles whose death rate is much higher than the possible repercussions from the vaccine itself.

That is the real science.

[wbarmy]

My apologies, that was sarcasm, just like the humans causing global warming in the second part of the statement.

[Dr. Thorne]

The issue has been pushed in recent years almost entirely by the left.

Most of the anti-vaccine people that I know are born-again Christians who are very conservative and don't trust the FedGov. IBD is wrong.

[GraceG]

[ There’s no medical evidence to support the “spacing out” of vaccines. ]

Isn’t it common sense to NOT try to overload the immune system? Let alone ANY system, plyus not everyones immune is the same, if everyone had the same immune system we would all be allergic to the same things.

How do we not know that somone with a certain allergy shouldn’t get their vaccines all at once?

Wouldn’t it be common sense to give the body a break between vaccines to allow the immune system to settle down rather than pushing it into overdrive with multiple vaccines at once????

[OneWingedShark]

A number of us on the right also mistrust vaccines, due to our general mistrust of government. (look up the 1975 Swine Flu Vaccine fiasco)

In addition to that, there's the very real possibility of the vaccine being a sterilization program, like in Kenya.

Now that your doctor is a government agent thanks to the ACA, ask yourself how much you trust him to look after your health rather than do what his new masters deem proper and necessary.

[raptor22]

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[Liberty Tree Surgeon]

It stands to reason that some people want to take us back to the Dark Ages.

Strawman argument. No one wants this (ok, maybe Algore and friends, but for different reasons) - we want the real risks to be understood and medical exemptions allowed. I am very pro-vaccine for the majority of people who are not susceptible to adverse reactions, or have a family history of this. What I do NOT want is people who haven't watched someone almost die from a reaction to use coercive, government force to require I stick my kids with something that could harm them.

Is this reasonable?

[GraceG]

” A number of us on the right also mistrust vaccines, due to our general mistrust of government. (look up the 1975 Swine Flu Vaccine fiasco) “

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain%E2%80%93Barr%C3%A9_syndrome#Causes

” An increased incidence of Guillain–Barré syndrome followed influenza immunization that followed the 1976 swine flu outbreak (H1N1 A/NJ/76); 8.8 cases per million recipients developed the complication. “

I would wager many more than the 8.8 per million got symptoms that they were able to recover from without lasting effects or dehibilitating lasting effects. It all depends on the person, since people don’t have the same immune systems.