Posted on 09/25/2013 9:05:21 PM PDT by JOHN W K
I heard Mark Levin this evening once again encouraging the call for an Article V convention purportedly to restore our constitutionally limited system of government. What Mark Levin does not caution his listening audience about is, that “we the people”, ordinary productive American Citizens, would not be in charge of that convention. In fact, Mark Levin’s Article V Convention if called would be controlled by the very people who now cause our miseries which are the various state Legislatures and Governors who work in concert with our federal government to enslave and plunder the wealth which Americas businesses, industries and productive working people have produced.
Is it not true that such a convention, which Madison specifically warned against, would provide the legal opportunity to make constitutional the tyranny and unconstitutional acts which our federal and state governments now rain down upon the people? This fact is indisputable, and yet, Mark Levin is insistent on calling such a convention. Why?
In addition, Mark Levin promotes, with one of his liberty amendments, a perpetuation of taxes calculated from profits, gains and other incomes which is the very source of power now used to enslave America’s businesses, industries and laboring class people. Why does he not promote our Constitution’s original tax plan, and especially its rule of apportionment for any general tax laid among the States which was part of the Great Compromise of the Convention of 1787? Why is it that Mark Levin, who constantly embraces the wisdom of our Founding Fathers, ignores their wisdom when it comes to taxation?
And, why is it that Mark Levin likewise ignores the wisdom of our Founding Fathers when it comes to the existing Federal Reserve System and Federal Reserve Notes having been made a legal tender for all debts public and private which was specifically forbidden by our founding fathers, and is the second tool used by our folks in government to plunder the real material wealth created by America’s businesses, industries and laboring class people?
Why is it that Mark Levin gets it wrong when it comes to the honest money and honest taxing system our founding fathers wrote into our Constitution, and prefers to keep today’s corrupted tax and money system alive and in the hands of folks in government? Try calling Marks show to ask him these questions and see how far you get!
In closing, let me once again remind you of what James Madison had to say with regard to calling an Article V Convention which was proposed to be called shortly after our existing Constitution was ratified. He wrote:
“You wish to know my sentiments on the project of another general Convention as suggested by New York. I shall give them to you with great frankness …….3. If a General Convention were to take place for the avowed and sole purpose of revising the Constitution, it would naturally consider itself as having a greater latitude than the Congress appointed to administer and support as well as to amend the system; it would consequently give greater agitation to the public mind; an election into it would be courted by the most violent partisans on both sides; it wd. probably consist of the most heterogeneous characters; would be the very focus of that flame which has already too much heated men of all parties; would no doubt contain individuals of insidious views, who under the mask of seeking alterations popular in some parts but inadmissible in other parts of the Union might have a dangerous opportunity of sapping the very foundations of the fabric. Under all these circumstances it seems scarcely to be presumable that the deliberations of the body could be conducted in harmony, or terminate in the general good. Having witnessed the difficulties and dangers experienced by the first Convention which assembled under every propitious circumstance, I should tremble for the result of a Second, meeting in the present temper of America, and under all the disadvantages I have mentioned. ….I am Dr. Sir, Yours Js. Madison Jr” ___See Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 25 March 1, 1788-December 31, 1789, James Madison to George Turberville
JWK
“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.
Lew Rockwell, right?
Can’t win on the merits so you try to defame?
No. I’m not a birtcher and you’re still wrong.
We don’t need 38 legislatures to take back the govt.
We can do it with 10. Or less.
We already have a process to amend the Constitution. Whenever someone mentions “Const Convention” their ultimate goal is eliminating the Const
This is in the Constitution!!! These are just Amendments he suggest to fix the constitutional Government! Like Balanced Budget Amendment, Term limits etc!!! There are two ways to amend the Constitution!!!
The idea that we’d resort to an Art V to put the fed in its place would have been nonsense to them.
I’ll tell you one thing Congress or The Executive are not going to limit Government in any meaningful way. This is the only alternative other than 1776 all over again and that can get messy!!!
Quite right. The five richest counties in the nation will not willingly give up their power.
Until we return to a partly federal system, meaning a senate of the states, there is zero chance we’ll restore our republican freedoms.
Quite right. The five richest counties in the nation will not willingly give up their power.
Until we return to a partly federal system, meaning a senate of the states, there is zero chance we’ll restore our republican freedoms.
When I was younger I used to fear a Constitutional Convention but after I understood what it takes to Amend the Constitution I wasn’t afraid any more!!!
Here is where you lose credibility. Answer these two questions which must have a credible answer before the call for the Art V reaches critical mass:
1. where do you find people of the founder’s resolve, experience and foresight today?
2. how do you get those people selected to be delegates?
If you can’t answer these questions, then you’re grandstanding. I’ll give you an example of the difficulty in this. In TEXAS, one of the most conservative states in the nation, Spkr Joe Straus is probably going to have a majority stake in the delegates sent to the convention. I promise you, they’ll look more like Lindsey Graham or even Chucky Schumer than Ted Cruz.
An Art V convention is a Rube Goldberg method of doing what the states have the power to do now: bring the fedgov’s shenanigans to a halt.
Read Federalist 45/46.
If it was nonsense to them, then what was their reason for including it in Article V? What was their intent for it?
-PJ
2. how do you get those people selected to be delegates?
In California, I'll give you one name - Tom McClintock.
For question 2, people tried. McClintock ran for governor against Arnold Schwarzenegger, Cruz Bustamonte, Ariana Huffington, Gary Cole, and stripper whats-her-name during the Gray Davis recall, and lost to Schwarzenegger.
McClintock then ran for Lt. Governor with Schwarzenegger's reelection, but Schwarzenegger refused to campaign for McClintock.
Finally, people sent McClintock to the House of Representatives.
-PJ
The intent of constitutional amendments is to make necessary changes that our founders couldn’t anticipate. The fact that the states have a mechanism as well as congress is to ensure a balance.
Understand what I said. You guys are promoting an Art V as some hail mary pass to save the republic. If you made this argument to Madison in the day, he would have said (and he DID say as much in the federalist papers), “Nonsense! The Constitution offers ample protections for the states to defend themselves against the federal gov’t without resorting to such extremes.”
You CAN try to use an Art. V as you described. I believe you’ll get liberal amendments instead of liberty ones, or at worse, a deadlock years in the making that wastes whatever time we may have left to make a real difference. To my point, the founders would have scratched their heads about this contention that such dire measures are needed. The Constitution already creates sovereign states armed with the tools to win a fight with Washington. They just need the resolve to do so.
And once we begin the process of fortifying states with the resolve to simply tell Washington, “no,” we will reach critical mass in short order. 5 or 10 states, acting in concert, can defang the monster. We can reach critical mass here far faster than we can getting 38 state legislatures on board, AND picking the right delegates, AND forcing Washington to step aside.
Jaqueline says nobody’s offering an alternative. I offer you one that can be accomplished cleaner and quicker than an Art V convention and without the very real risks to the union that an Art V convention enables.
When I hear Mark Levin propose the following 32 words as an amendment to our Constitution, I will be more inclined to believe he really wants to restore our constitutionally limited system of government as our Founders intended it to operate.
THE FAIR SHARE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT -- SECTION 1:
“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money
These words would return us to our Constitution's ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as our founders intended it to operate, and help to remove the iron fist from the necks of America's productive citizens.
JWK
They are not “liberals”. They are conniving Marxist parasites who use the cloak of government force to steal the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create
Sure is funny to hear folks here that have NO national radio show and NO books published talking about how Levin is wrong.
It’s truly no wonder “conservatives” don’t make more headway since most who call themselves that have their heads up their arse!
Life sucks for you doesn’t it?
Boo Hoo, can’t be done, won’t work, no one around like back then, I give up, whine whine whine.
JWK
America will not regain her honor and splendor until the blood of tyrants is made to flow in our streets.
I do wish you would respond to my post rather than endlessly repeat yourself on other matters.
Since you initiated the thread I made the general comment by replying to post #1. Wasn’t directed specifically to you. Guess I should have taken you out and listed to All.
Professor Federalist would have us believe the framers created a Rube-Goldberg system loaded with Hail Mary passes and that five states can restore liberty.
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