Check out # 769 , ... and also # 770: "Senator Cruz’s BC doesn’t list a hospital, a doctor’s signature or mother’s signature."
Why not?
Thanks Seizethecarp and 4Zoltan.
Posted on 08/07/2013 6:29:11 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
“Zullo stated they came into new information several times that bolstered their case that found the document beyond a reasonable doubt that it was 100% forged.”
He also said this at the July 17th, 2012 press conference:
“As far as we’re concerned, our analysis of the digital portion of this document is finished.”
New information could be anything. Why revisit a settled area of the investigation unless the new information was specifically related to the digital aspects of the PDF. And if new info negated portions of your previous work. So I’m inclined to think the new info is mostly non-computer related. For example, I don’t believe they said much about the tab setting stuff in their press conferences, or talk much about fonts.
We can speculate forever about what we think they did or did not do but until we get hard confirmation, we can only go by what they have actually said they have done.
Ping to post 760 above
Do you believe Obama’s birth certificate is forged? A simple yes or no will do.
Barring evidence that the actual certified copy is forged - no
“Seizethecarp...........this is the kind of people you are dealing with.”
I am totally aware that “Reality Check” (RC of RC Radio) is a nasty Fogblower dedicated to protecting Barry at all costs.
NBC, on the other hand, has at least seemed to be following the scientific method and he stipulated that the BC image could still have been forged prior to being placed in the Xerox copier in his claimed “work flow.” RC would never admit that.
Unfortunately, NBC in his more recent blog posts has gone away from scientific analysis and is engaging in ad hominem denigration of Zullo because of faults NBC believes that Italian men tend to share...including NBC himself, apparently, by his own admission. I thought NBC’s accent sounded a bit like my Italian brother-in-law. Not worthy of a link, but NBC claims that Zullo can’t admit that he is wrong about the Xerox because of this Italian character defect or some such nonsense.
You had mentioned previously that it was odd that his lawyers made the trek all the way to HI to retrieve the "document." It would make perfect sense that they did so in order to avoid committing a postal offense. Most people would have just had the items sent via certified mail. I can't recall where I saw it now, but I believe that Bob Bauer is on record stating explicitly that "Obama" would not even be allowed to physically hold a copy of the "document" posted on WH servers on 27 April 2011.
Honest people don't behave this way.
I don’t see anything in his latest blog about Italian men.
It’s the article with Seizethecarp as the title. Is that the one you are talking about?
I owe NBC an apology.
It was Fogblower “historiandude,” not NBC, who made the comparison between Zullo and Italian men in his family in comments to NBC’s recent snarky blog post complimenting Reality Check’s blog post on NBC’s Xerox work flow.
Now NBC has embarked on hectoring FReepers with taunts that there is “no evidence” that Zullo and CCP are actually engaged in a criminal investigation.
A devotee of the scientific method, such as NBC, should remember that “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
The fact that the CCP has not yet filed or made public the filing of a criminal complaint does not mean that one was not filed or that the evidence is not there to justify a criminal filing or congressional investigation into Barry’s eligibility.
“I can’t recall where I saw it now, but I believe that Bob Bauer is on record stating explicitly that “Obama” would not even be allowed to physically hold a copy of the “document” posted on WH servers on 27 April 2011.
“Honest people don’t behave this way.”
This is a “tell” for a fraudulent cover-up. Whatever your attorney won’t let you hold or be physically connected with is something that will incriminate you! I wonder if NBC has seen this:
This is in the transcript that has been on the WH website for two years:
“Press Gaggle by Press Secretary Jay Carney, 4/27/2011”
Q And this is going to sound — I mean, you can just anticipate what people are going to — remain unconvinced. They’re going to say that this is just a photocopy of a piece of paper, you could have typed anything in there. Will the actual certificate be on display or viewable at any — (laughter.)
Q Will the President be holding it?
MR. PFEIFFER: He will not, and I will not leave it here for him to do so. But it will — the State Department of Health in Hawaii will obviously attest that that is a — what they have on file. As Bob said, it’s in a book in Hawaii.
MR. BAUER: And you’ll see the letter from the director of the Health Department that states that she oversaw the copy and is attesting to —
Q But do you understand that this could quiet the conspiracy theorists?
MR. PFEIFFER: There will always be some selection of people who will believe something, and that’s not the issue. The issue is that this is not a discussion that is just happening among conspiracy theorists. It’s happening here in this room; it’s happening on all of the networks. And it’s something that, as I said, every major political figure of both parties who’s actually out trying to talk about real issues is asked about this by the media. And so the President decided to release this. And I’ll leave it to others to decide whether there’s still — there will be some who still have a different — have a conspiracy about this.
“This is a “tell” for a fraudulent cover-up.”
Is that different than Senator McCain only allowing one report to see it but not take any pictures? Part of Mitt Romney’s was seen on the Reuters’ site but did anyone get to hold it? What about Governor Jindal’s, it was on the internet but did anyone actual see it or touch it?
Do we have any pictures of Senator Cruz holding his BC?
BTW, did you see that Senator Cruz’s BC doesn’t list a hospital, a doctor’s signature or mother’s signature.
Why the change up in wording? Because he was likely about to call it a certified copy of a LFBC, and changed up at the last moment to instead say "what they have on file." Yeah, as in, "written down."
What a steaming pile of excreble legalese. Jay Carney take note.
The fogblowing ‘Historiandude’ is this guy. It is highly speculated that he helped get Terry Lakin prosecuted:
Was Lakin conviction influenced by radical Obama supporter?
Blogger claims Greeley officer’s commanding general a “close personal friend”
http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=10572
And from World Net Daily where Jerome Corsi broke the story on him:
http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/337433/
This Obot has written a comprehensive refutation (according to Dr. Conspiracy) of the birth certificate claims of author Mara Zebest, who was author of the graphic analysis published by the Joe Arpaio Cold Case Posse. He recently wrote ‘The Annotated Zullo’ back in Dec 2012 a biased hit piece against Zullo’s affidavit to the Alabama Supreme Court. There is only one drawback with all of this. This particular Obot has no professional credentials in forensic document attestations. He has no credentials in handwriting and computer-document forensics and no background of any sort in law enforcement criminal document fraud investigations. Also, he goes by the forum name ‘Epectitus’ at the Fogbow website.
“Why the change up in wording? Because he was likely about to call it a certified copy of a LFBC...”
Sure looks like a desperate attempt to avoid criminal liability for passing off a forged document to me!
Dr. Conspiracy just made a confession. He doesn’t know what type of Xerox the White House scanned the copy on.
Here is his post:
Dr. Conspiracy August 24, 2013 at 9:26 pm (Quote) #
“While we don’t know what Xerox model scanned the certificate, I use the 7655 because it replicates the result, and can be used to verify NBC’s report. The hypothesis is that a Xerox machine with a specific workflow recreates the White House PDF to a high-degree of compliance. Generalization is an unnecessary complication. When trying to debunk, simple statements are more effective.”
“Dr. Conspiracy just made a confession. He doesn’t know what type of Xerox the White House scanned the copy on.”
DC doesn’t need to know WHICH copier the WH used. Zullo is claiming that NO copier of any kind can replicate the WH pdf. If ANY copier can replicate the WH pdf then proof of criminal forgery beyond a reasonable doubt fails regarding replication.
So far no Obot qualified forensic expert has filed an affidavit based on NBC’s claims, but I am sure that Zullo and Arpaio and their lawyers will be expecting one from Barry’s legal team, if Congress opens an investigation.
Meanwhile we can expect any congressman or journalist who shows an interest in the CCP evidence to be bombarded by copies of NBC’s blog “White Paper.”
“He recently wrote ‘The Annotated Zullo’ back in Dec 2012 a biased hit piece against Zullo’s affidavit to the Alabama Supreme Court.”
On this week’s Freedom Friday, Zullo said he didn’t generally pay attention to or engage in Obots in debates, especially over evidence, but that he had recently taken a particular interest in one Obot. Maybe this is the one! Or it could be NBC.
The house of cards about to be exposed and falling down.
Check out # 769 , ... and also # 770: "Senator Cruz’s BC doesn’t list a hospital, a doctor’s signature or mother’s signature."
Why not?
Thanks Seizethecarp and 4Zoltan.
Without having seen any other examples of Alberta, Canada birth certificates, I would assume they don’t list such things.
Just as the Hawaiian BC of today no longer lists them.
Cruz’s BC appears to be a “short form” which, according to the fine print, affirms the existence of a supporting record in the archive. It would be that archive record filed the week he was born that would have the Canadian equivalent of the “long form” information.
Unlike Barry, whose “official” life narrative is full of lies and who has obstructed transparency at every turn, Cruz has seemed to me to be forthright and honest...except for pretending that there is no constitutional issue regarding the admitted facts of his birth.
“Video: Senator Ted Cruz: Article II Natural Born Citizen Issue Silly; Important I’m Only American”
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/08/senator-ted-cruz-article-ii-silly.html
If you look at how often the media and lots of FReepers declare that a citizen at birth is an NBC and how courts refuse to obstruct candidates on the issue leaving it to the voters, Cruz could likely get a pass from the courts, IMO (regardless of my personal view in accord with MvH).
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