cause if it's genetic, it can be found in utero and aborted...
Posted on 06/01/2013 5:59:38 PM PDT by Coleus
Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.
“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.
Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.
“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”
Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”
Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.
For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other. “These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.
The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.
“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”
A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.
In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.
“Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”
“Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.
Even more remarkable, most of the changes occur without counseling or therapy. “These changes are not therapeutically induced, but happen ‘naturally’ in life, some very quickly,” Dr. Whitehead observes. “Most changes in sexual orientation are towards exclusive heterosexuality.”
Numbers of people who have changed towards exclusive heterosexuality are greater than current numbers of bisexuals and homosexuals combined. In other words, ex-gays outnumber actual gays.
The fluidity is even more pronounced among adolescents, as Bearman and Brueckner’s study demonstrated. “They found that from 16 to 17-years-old, if a person had a romantic attraction to the same sex, almost all had switched one year later.”
“The authors were pro-gay and they commented that the only stability was among the heterosexuals, who stayed the same year after year. Adolescents are a special case—generally changing their attractions from year to year.”
Still, many misconceptions persist in the popular culture. Namely, that homosexuality is genetic – so hard-wired into one’s identity that it can’t be changed. “The academics who work in the field are not happy with the portrayals by the media on the subject,” Dr. Whitehead notes. “But they prefer to stick with their academic research and not get involved in the activist side.”
cause if it's genetic, it can be found in utero and aborted...
>>>I am reminded of a medical article I read many years ago.
A young man from way back in the hills was drafted for WWII.
His mother died when he was born and he had no women in his life at all. He grew up around men, never seeing a woman.
When drafted they noticed something strange about him so they gave him some tests.
1. They showed him pictures of naked women. No reaction.
2. They showed him pictures of naked men. No reaction.
They did not know what to think of it when another doctor, made aware of the boy’s upbringing, tried something different.
3. They showed him pictures of a cow. WOW! Instant reaction.<<<
That is how it really is. Homosexualism it neither about the genes nor a way they are born.
It is a behavioral disorder sorta like an alcoholism and addiction to gambling.
Some of them are getting there on their own, others (most of them) are taught this way since the early age by adult perverts. MSM and pop culture does a lot to aid their recruitment as far as being a homosexual is kinda ‘cool’ today.
Exactly.
I’ve always struggled buying the statement that it was genetic. It seems to be in direct contradiction with Darwinian law. Not being able to pass your genetic material over time is a genetic death sentence; no matter how strong, intelligent, or fast you are. Even if it was genetic, one would think that the carriers of it would have died out over time, because it is so useless to the evolution of the species. Just like tails are to us now.
That is of course, if the theory of evolution is true. I’m just pointing out the contradiction in logic.
I think that you are on to something.
Placemark
It’s something you talk yourself into over the years.
Prayers for your kids to have childhood unsullied by societal perversion.
Interesting studies.
This is actually NOT true. The clitoris does have erectile tissue similar to that found in the penis, but it does not have the same function in the body as the penis. The penis is not only the sexual organ of the male, but it is also the location of the urethra which carries urine to the outside of the body. The clitoris is located in the vulva close to the urethra, but the two do not have the same structural relationship as the penis and the urethra.
On the specific subject of this thread, I have never believed that there was a gene for homosexuality. Up until the advent of modern fertility techniques, there was no way a truly gay man could produce offspring with a true lesbian woman. If there ever was such a gene, it could not be passed on to the next generation and would therefore die out.
I have to agree with those on this thread that think that liberals will not accept the results of this excellent study any more than they accept that AGW does not exist. If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny that many liberals label conservatives as being uneducated or unscientific when they are the ones who blindly accept whatever the liberal mantra of the day happens to be.
The science on homosexuals will not be conclusive for a long time. It will be likely decades before any evidence comes up that allows us to determine how many gays were homosexual by birth, how many actively chose it, how many were brought into it by homosexuals in their lives and how many were because of early childhood experiences, and how many are homosexual because of some combination of the above.
Of course, one should be able to effectively argue against messing with the millenia old definition of marriage and a special system of rights for homosexuals without trying to argue that being gay is curable for all, or even a vast majority, of homosexuals. For some of the homosexuals, yes they can get leave it. But we shouldn’t have to be arguing that *all* of them can leave it in order to argue effectively against the homosexual agenda. Start with the acknowledgement that there are many kinds of disorders and disabilities and behavior mannerisms people are often born with but that this still does not justify giving them special rights and that even then it shouldn’t justify giving free passes for obscene, destructive behavior. That seems to be the best starting points for arguments against got’v redefinition of marriage and other key issues.
It is all worldview-—cultural/pagan/occult/atheist. Samurai were 100% homosexual-—where little boys are trained in sodomy and warfare-—same with the Ancient Greeks/Romans/Asians. Behaviors are learned. Abnormal behaviors-—like homosexuality has to be caused by perverting a little kids worldview-—warping the way they see men and women. It is always abuse—mostly physical but always emotional, too.
Segregated societies like in Afghanistan condition “hate” for the “other”and the men target young boys for recreation. That is because they want to be “manly”—dominant. All homosexual cultures target boys.
Fr. Oko’s report on “Homoheresy” talks about this necessary aspect of homosexuality-—it is an immaturity—a fixation in the Latency period....where the mature act of appreciation of the opposite sex can not occur. They have no interest in spending time with females——just like the Ancient Greeks-—it was only for the purpose of breeding that they had anything to do with women.
It is easy to warp and pervert children-—they are extremely vulnerable. Our schools are warping the moral foundation of children, making them easy victims for homosexuals and promiscuity. Schools are normalizing homosexuality like it is in all pagan/occult/atheist societies. Boys are always the target. http://www.examiner.com/article/afghan-pedophilia-a-way-of-life-say-u-s-soldiers-and-journalists
Considering how likely it is that identical twins have similar experiences (being in the same families), these numbers are striking and suggest that such life decisions happen later in development than one might suspect.
“What difference, at this point, does it make!”
Because the basis of laws prohibiting conversion therapy is that it cannot work, since they’re all born that way.
Bump....
It might however be epigenetic, in which responses to environmental inputs can be heritable by messenger RNA. So I wouldn’t be ready to deem the hypothesis completely disproven just yet.
I remember the accounts of the DSM-3 meetings in 1973, where the gay militant activists harassed and threatened and shrieked at the shrinks there to reclassify homosexuality as not a mental disorder.
I shoulda uswed the s/tag. I was actually paraphrasing Hillary. But having said that, IMO homesexuality is a sexual perversion regardless nature/nurture.
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