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Must See Video: MSNBC Claims Birther Bombshell; Natural-Born Citizen Issue Not Settled
BirtherReport.com ^ | May 4, 2013 | Alex Wagner panel discussion

Posted on 05/05/2013 10:52:38 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

(video at link)transcript: Alex Wagner: Ambition aside there remains a question of constitutionality. Cruz was born in Calgary. That's in Canada to a mother who is an American citizen, so does he pass the natural born citizen qualification for president? Panelist Ben: Well the funny thing is the Obama Campaign last year did not want to make the case. You know, even if he was born in Kenya, we're fine (laughter) so this didn't really come up. But this is totally unsettled. George Romney, Mitt's father was born in Mexico...I think the general theory among lawyers is that if this came up the courts would fine a way to not rule on it. They would say that no one had standing to bring a lawsuit. Who would sue and say they had been harmed by this? What court would want to come anywhere near this? The theory is anybody the American people elect, they'll be fine. The courts will work around the natural born citizen thing, so all this craziness last year...forget it!


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: certifigate; johnmccain; naturalborncitizen; obama; tedcruz
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An interesting 5 minute discussion, now that Barry is safely reelected (they assume)...
1 posted on 05/05/2013 10:52:39 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: null and void; LucyT; Red Steel; BuckeyeTexan; rxsid; Spaulding; circumbendibus; Flotsam_Jetsome

ping to MSNBC finally discussing the NBC issue for 5 minutes, now that the election is over and they can try to mock ‘birthers’ and the GOP over whether Cruz being born in Canada will be an issue. Rubio not having even one US citizen parent at birth did not come up. They laugh about courts likely finding Barry to be eligible even if born in Kenya.


2 posted on 05/05/2013 10:57:18 PM PDT by Seizethecarp ((Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

My eyeballing of it is that I would say yes to Cruz, no to Rubio


3 posted on 05/05/2013 11:00:49 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Seizethecarp

The Dem Progressives have no room to mock. Any aspect of eligibility they bring up the response should be “0bama never proved that one way or the other.” The RNC could run Marvin the Martian.


4 posted on 05/05/2013 11:06:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: TigersEye

Leftists are hypocrites to the core they will definitely run stories about how Cruz is ineligible if he runs with absolutely straight faces and never mention Obama. Heck if he wins the nomination you expect the fedgov to begin investigating him.


5 posted on 05/05/2013 11:08:52 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Seizethecarp
Alex Wagner: Ambition aside there remains a question of constitutionality. Cruz was born in Calgary. That's in Canada to a mother who is an American citizen, so does he pass the natural born citizen qualification for president?

Yes.

7 posted on 05/05/2013 11:18:03 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: F15Eagle

Just let it go. Breathe. :p

haha


8 posted on 05/05/2013 11:18:45 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Seizethecarp
"The theory is anybody the American people elect, they'll be fine. The courts will work around the natural born citizen thing, so all this craziness last year...forget it!"

So Sarkozy, Bibi and Putin could be the next Presidents of US

10 posted on 05/05/2013 11:41:42 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Fai Mao

In my mind the intent the Founders put into the Constitution for only and explicitly that a ‘natural born citizen’ is the most serious and critical requirement for POTUSA. To wash the Constitution of that substance I believe is a great disservice to the Founders as well as to the integrity of the Constitution and the USA for today’s World happenings.


11 posted on 05/05/2013 11:58:22 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Seizethecarp
It was inevitable that the whitewash be maintained since both parties were complicit in 2008; Obama was born a British Subject, and boldly proclaimed to a low-information or thoroughly intimidated legal community, too afraid of losing the privileges they had, that he was a naturalized citizen. McCain was exposed in the 2000 election, with law suits and congressional hearings never settled or conclusive, and Senators Obama and McCaskill muddying the waters with two senate actions. Senate Bill 2678, February 2008, the ‘‘Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act’’, and when that failed, Senate Resolution 511, The “John McCain Citizen Act”, which is not actionable, carries no legal weight.

Here is the unequivocal definition the media and progressives literally tried to hide by “mangling” citations in on line Supreme Court decisions, the keystone paragraph from Minor v. Happersett, 88 US 162 (1875):

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.<,/blockquote>”

12 posted on 05/06/2013 12:37:07 AM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding

Thank you. Those are the ONLY kind of presidential candidates we should be supporting, not anyone else, no matter how attractive.

Or is an NBC candidate, simply born on American soil to two American citizen parents, somehow too “plain vanilla” for so many people?


13 posted on 05/06/2013 1:03:56 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Seizethecarp

It doesn’t matter where Mitt’s FATHER was born, he was a US Citizen. For that matter, if Mitt was born in Mexico to two US Citizens, it still wouldn’t matter.

Obama was born to a NON-US CITIZEN and to a US CITIZEN WHO WAS NOT OLD ENOUGH TO LEGALLY GIVE OBAMA CITIZENSHIP, much less NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP if he was born outside the US.

That’s a fact that duds on TV don’t seem to handle, or research for that matter.


14 posted on 05/06/2013 1:31:32 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Seizethecarp
Thanks for the Ping.

"They laugh about courts likely finding Barry to be eligible even if born in Kenya."

It's no laughing matter, but instead a Constitutional Crisis of the first order and a breathtakingly grave national security problem, as evidenced by virtually everything that the current "administration" touches. If he can't even be held to account on his very eligibility to hold the office he enjoys, why should he give a flying fig about any other part of the constitution? All bets are off, and he knows it.

The foregoing said, anything can happen, and perhaps the newsies may have caught wind of something potentially explosive in the offing, and are whistling tittering past the graveyard?

15 posted on 05/06/2013 1:53:29 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (No more usurpers.)
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To: Seizethecarp

The MSM continues to have it their way...whether or not Obama was born in another country is a legitimate question, but it is not (THE) question.

The focus needs to be on the submission of a fraudulent document submitted as proof of eligibility, his birth certificate.

As demonstrated by many comments above, the MSM has successfully defined the issue their way, by keeping the focus on place of birth, rather than fraudulent documents.


16 posted on 05/06/2013 2:18:01 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Seizethecarp

Sounds like they are getting worried about Judge Roy Moore case.


17 posted on 05/06/2013 2:51:14 AM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: All
"The theory is anybody the American people elect, they'll be fine."

Correct. In case of a usurper being elected President, the individual must object on a case by case basis if adverse action is taken against the individual. See Ryder v. United States (94-431), 515 U.S. 177 (1995).

For example, a defendant can object to a Judge appointed by a usurper or prosecution because of a law signed by a usurper in pre-trial hearings. You cannot have a usurper removed because you object when there are 50 million voters who do not object and are pleased with what the usurper is doing.

Elections have consequences.

The Appointments Clause reads in full:

"[The President] shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments." U. S. Const., Art. II, §2, cl. 2.


18 posted on 05/06/2013 3:07:44 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: PoloSec
No,the most important thing is that a progressive of color with muslim roots and who lived in the third world was elected President. America is on the path for atoning for their racist, imperial, capitalist past. We as a society have an evolving standard of decency!
If you start to look into the myth with investigative techniques everything will begin to unravel and then who will see you created and bankroll obama, If you do that then their agenda will come to light.This would ruin the chance for trans-formative chains,eh I mean change for this country!
19 posted on 05/06/2013 4:53:18 AM PDT by bonehead4freedom
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To: Seizethecarp; null and void; Red Steel; rxsid; Spaulding; circumbendibus; Flotsam_Jetsome

I know I sound like a broken record, but I truly believe that Orly Taitz, whether intentionally or not, destroyed the credibility of the NBC issue.

Does anyone remember the circumstances of my being kicked out of the birther club? It began with my criticism of Orly Taitz.


20 posted on 05/06/2013 5:48:41 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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