Posted on 05/11/2012 6:10:55 PM PDT by Manic_Episode
Is it a sin to vote for Mitt Romney?
Well first off if you're not a Christian don't bother reading any further. This does not apply to you and your comments/scoffs) are not solicited. Leave now.
For those of you who are saved by the blood of The Lamb and are disciples of The Lord Jesus Christ I would ask you to consider the following:
Gods Criminal Justice System VS Mans Criminal Justice System
Here in the USA when we run afoul of the law we are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
In Gods system we are guilty until proven innocent,
Romans 3:23 "for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". (emphasis mine)
ALL have sinned. Not some, not my neighbor, but ME and YOU. ALL. We are guilty, you and I.
In the criminal justice system of the United States the punishment has to fit the crime. In many countries around the world today Sharia Law requires that a thief's hand be cut off if caught for stealing. This seems harsh and brutal compared to the offense. We have the death penalty here in the USA but you have to do something really bad to be sentenced to die.
In Gods criminal justice system we are all guilty and sentenced to death. Done deal. It has already happened whether you know it or not:
Romans 6:23 says "For the wages of sin is death,"
So we all have sinned and the wage of that sin is death. Does the penalty fit the crime? Is this fair and just?
Absolutely! God is all about justice, kindness and righteousness.
Jeremiah 9:24
24 but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.
So under Gods criminal justice system one can incur the death penalty for lying? That is just? The punishment fits the crime?
Yes. First of all, I, for one, have committed WAY more than just tell a fib. After all, sin is breaking one of the Ten Commandments. I am a serial offender. I am a sinner. No two ways around it. When it comes to keeping Gods commands I am a complete failure. I am bankrupt.
Understand that Gods Holiness is so great and awesome and unfathomable that it cannot be defiled by our sin and justice DEMANDS that sin be cast out of Gods presence.
The best we can come up with, our very best efforts we can muster when we try as hard as we possibly can, God refers to these as "filthy rags",
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;
The literal translation of "filthy rags" is even worse than it sounds. Try "menstruous rags" on for size. Ok, some of you are trying them on for size in real life, you know what I'm talking about. Gross.
Our best works are disgusting to God. More of Gods so called justice? Yes, when you understand His holy nature, yes indeed.
Interesting thing about Gods Justice system; He is quite reasonable in that He sets a certain price for our penalty and accepts that price from whoever can afford it.
That price is our very life, but if someone could afford to pay it off for us God would accept it.
It is such a high price that I could not afford to pay for my kids penalty because I am in debt for my own sin, but what if someone came along who could afford to pay my dept? Someone who had not incurred their own death penalty. Someone who was sinless and loved me enough to pay for my sin with their innocent life? God would and does accept that payment.
This is Gods criminal justice system: John 3:16
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
1 John 5:11-12
11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Jesus, I accept you as my Savior and my Lord. Thank you for loving me and for paying my way. I am in your debt forever.
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Gods Criminal Justice System VS Mans Criminal Justice System Part 2
Here in the US someone can be convicted of murder without ever having actually killed anyone, but because they were "in on it" they are guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.
In order to be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder a prosecutor must prove 3 elements to gain a conviction.
1.) The defendant intended to agree and did agree with someone to commit murder;
2.) At the time of the agreement, the defendant and [one or more of] the other alleged member[s] of the conspiracy intended that one or more of them would commit murder;
3.) (The/One of the) defendant[s] of coparticipant[s] or (both/ all) of them] committed [at least one of] the overt act[s] alleged to accomplish the murder;
Examples of this crime would be hiring a hitman. The person paying for the murder is just as guilty as the hitman.
Charles Manson claims he never killed anyone but he has been in prison for nearly 40 years for conspiracy.
WHEN SYSTEMS COLLIDE
Abortion is a perfectly legal murder in mans criminal justice system, but I submit that in Gods criminal justice system it is a sin of the most heinous sort, one that brutally ends the life of our most vulnerable and innocent members to the tune of a staggering 54 MILLION VICTIMS in the US alone, and counting.
Those directly responsible are quite obvious, but what of the coparticipants? Those that have conspired against these 54 million vulnerable innocent crime victims? It takes a massively wide conspiracy of unbelievable proportions to accomplish a crime of this unfathomable magnitude.
I submit that all those who keep this sin legal are just as guilty as those who are direct participants.
Abortion is a main plank of the Democratic platform. When you vote for a party you are putting your seal of approval on that platform. You are agreeing and supporting their goals when you cast your vote for their party.
You cannot say you disagree with their main plank yet support that main plank with your vote. This is contradictory. They are not hiding this plank so your vote is cast with open eyes knowing this.
We as human beings are amazing in our ability to justify our actions and if we are creative enough we can justify anything, including conspiring to murder 54 million vulnerable and innocent lives.
You have blood on your hands.
The excuses come fast and easy but there is no excuse for sin. None. We must take responsibility for our own sins and yes, I am absolutely saying that voting for a party that openly supports sin is enabling that sin and participating in that sin and sinning right along with that sin.
The creative justification part of us will immediately start pointing fingers at all sorts of things trying to muddy the waters, but what can possibly top 54 MILLION SENSELESS MURDERS OF THE VULNERABLE AND INNOCENT!!?? NOTHING!!
Not war, not compassion for the poor, not social policy, not fiscal policy. Nothing. This slaughter on our own soil makes the Holocaust look like childs play in comparison.
So in sheer body count alone there is no more important thing we should be voting for above this.
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I wrote these a few years ago and would add the following thoughts:
Mitt Romney, despite his shallow words to the contrary, has a clear record of supporting abortion (not to mention homosexuality, forced health care, global warming, anti gun legislation, liberal judges, etc etc) and as such I believe I would become a co-participant in conspiracy to commit murder if I were to support him with my vote to lead our country.
I also believe what is a sin for one man may not be a sin for another based on my understanding of this passage:
Romans 14:23
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.
This passage explains that if you think it is a sin then for you it is indeed a sin whether is really is a sin or not, and for others of stronger faith it is not a sin.
As I explained in my now long winded article I believe voting for someone pro choice is a sin for me, I would then ask this:
BASED ON SCRIPTURE AND REASON, how could I believe otherwise?
Don't equivocate that the survival of our country depends on Mitt winning because Obama is the boogieman.
I want to know where the flaws in my reasoning may be.
If you are a Christian and believe otherwise, how did you come to your conclusion based on scripture and reason?
If a candidate should not get a christians vote because he is not totaly against abortion...then no christian should ever vote for any unsaved Candidate...
arent all sins the same in God’s eyes?
who did you vote for in the last election? was He saved? did he ever support anything that could be construed as a sin?
This is not a Theocracy...it is a Constitutional republic.
Get a Life.
Define “saved.” As far as I know, all bets are off until a life is lived.
Is Rodney running for Pope?
As a matter of fact I didn’t. I voted for both Bush’s and for Reagan. I voted for other candidates on the ballot however (local).
Have you been listening to J. Vernon? :^)
Absolutely not. But I’m not voting for Romney or Obama.
Christians were given brains and are expected to use them. Voting means making a judgement call. Unless the Lord tells you who to vote for, you’re expected to educate yourself and vote for whom you think best, even if that’s the lesser of two evils.
In my opinion, there is not enough difference between Romney and Obama, that I’m not going to vote for the lesser of two evils. I’m going to vote for Goode not evil.
I’ll do this in hopes that either the GOP will change course. Or that the constitution party will grow in strength and supplant the GOP.
Absolutely not. But I’m not voting for Romney or Obama.
Christians were given brains and are expected to use them. Voting means making a judgement call. Unless the Lord tells you who to vote for, you’re expected to educate yourself and vote for whom you think best, even if that’s the lesser of two evils.
In my opinion, there is not enough difference between Romney and Obama, that I’m not going to vote for the lesser of two evils. I’m going to vote for Goode not evil.
I’ll do this in hopes that either the GOP will change course. Or that the constitution party will grow in strength and supplant the GOP.
I think the fundamental error is presuming to know God’s will. He is in total control; if you vote for Romney and he wins, God is in control; if you don’t vote for Romney and he wins, God is in control; if you vote for Romney and he loses, God is in control; if you don’t vote for Romney and he loses, God is in control. Things are moving according to His plan. So, stay home and don’t vote or go to the polls and vote for whomever you like. You will not alter God’s plans either way, although you run some risk in attempting to persuade others to your point of view. Since you quoted Paul, remember also that just before the quote you started this thread with, he said, “So whatever you believe about these things keep them between yourself and God. Blessed are those who do not condemn themselves by what they approve.”
Frankly, whether or not it would be a sin is immaterial. I will not vote for either Romama or Obamney!
Plus he's been dead for 25 years :p
Dietrich Bonhoeffer would disagree
"Lying to your grandmother that your grandfather never cheated on her is still a sin, right?"
Rahab the harlot was rewarded for lying to save righteous lives.
This may fall into that category.
More important since all politics and all religion are local: is it a sin to vote for Joe Bloe for dog catcher?
It's safe to say that a strong majority here on FR do not like Mittens.
It's safe to say that a large segment of registered republicans were hoping for something better, something like a legitimate debate and primary process.
It isn't just safe, it's locked in, that all this simpering can only boost our illegitimate incumbent and his very much greater of two undesirable alternatives.
Get over it!
Regroup for the next time around and don't screw up like we did following 2008/2010.
I assume that you are not a Christian. If you are a Christian, your principle is nonsense. The first four commandments of the Ten Commandments have little or nothing to do with our relationships with others.
I do presume that God hates abortion
“So whatever you believe about these things keep them between yourself and God. Blessed are those who do not condemn themselves by what they approve.”
Sound advice indeed. Thank you.
I think y’all are missing the boat here.
What God requires is that you love your fellow man. No man is perfect, and even a saved man can still make mistakes. Voting requires a judgement call between two or more imperfect humans. Even a saved man, who scripture speaks of as “having been perfected forever” is capable of doing wrong in this life.
It’s not a sin to vote for an imperfect man. It’s a sin to fail to act in a loving manner.
And no Presidio, all bets aren’t off until a life is lived. Jesus said who ever believes on me HAS everlasting life. And it’s not everlasting if you can lose it. Scripture says we have been perfected for ever. It also says “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.”
Get you head around this. I’m perfect because I have the imputed righteousness of Jesus. Not because I’m perfect in my own right. I’m saved, and nothing in this life can intefere with that. The Prophet Samuel said we would never leave God. Jesus said He would never drive us away. Scripture says “These things are written that you might KNOW that you are saved.” And Paul said that “neither life nor death nor..... can separate us from the love of God.
I took God up on his promise. And God won’t fail me, because it depends on Him not me. He didn’t say it was conditional on me living a perfect life the rest of my days. But Paul said “I know whom I have believed and am confident that He is faithful to keep that which I’ve committed unto Him against that day.”
I really get a kick out of everyone making an issue of Mitt being a Mormon - especially the Libtards on the left. I like to remind them the HARRY REID is also a Mormon!
Read the Constitution - schmuck! There is NO RELIGIOUS test to hold office in this country - none. Anybody - including a non-christian lamppost will do if it will send Obama back to Chicago. I really do not know what is confusing.
Did you fill a bong before you began writing? I understand the jist of it, but still you lived up to your name.
Manic_Episode,
The simple answer is no.
Brief explanation: Romney is better for the nation than Obama, not by as much as I would like, but better.
Lastly, Romney is no Savior. Nor was the much loved Ronald Reagan. There is one Savior and one only. He has been the only Savior from the beginning.
National leaders come and go; they are never to be judged by us as holders of political office to be either good and evil, just or unjust. Those are theological terms and categories. Whether the individuals who hold this or that political office will be accounted one way or the other will be dealt with on Judgment Day by a far higher and completely objective authority. Many political leaders do fear and, indeed, should fear Judgment Day. Our task is simply to choose the one who would best serve all the people of this nation, our neighbors. This is the exercise of our responsibilities as citizens of the USA.
Practically speaking, Romney is far less of a danger to the constitutional (lawful) governance of this nation than Obama - call it the lesser of two evils if you must. A Christian can vote for Romney with a clear conscience, while at the same time giving no assent or support to Mormonism, which is itself - at best - a post-Christian, neo-pagan religion. In this regard, the choice is between a Mormon (post-Christian, neo-pagan), who is at least by his words supportive of the founding documents/philosophy of this nation, and a socialist, who, personally, is plainly post-Christian if not anti-Christian, and is by his words and actions opposed to the founding documents/philosophy of this nation. If one also takes into account natural law/human conscience, Romney at least seems more in line with such. Obama is clearly an anti-nomian.
I, personally, would have preferred someone other than Romney as the alternative for the nation’s choice. However, that was not to be. But Romney is clearly better than Obama.
Neither of them is Satan or Ba’al. BO is a muslim communist and Mittens is a liberal lying politician.
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