Posted on 01/20/2012 10:57:39 AM PST by GregNH
Defendant, President Barack Obama, a candidate seeking the Democratic nomination for the office of the President of the United States, has filed a motion to quash the subpoena compelling his attendance at the hearing on January 26, 2012.
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Oh really????
Find it in any of these cases:
Reynolds v. United States
Wilkerson v. Utah
Kilbourn v. Thompson
Same court.
If her citizenship was GERMANE to this case you would have have a discussion of her parents citizenship.
You want to see the difference??
Flores -Villar was a citizenship case.
Scotus discussed Nguyen in that case. This time oral arguments didn’t breath a word about NBC.
But as for citizenship - look at the difference between this when it is germane and Minor WHEN IT WAS NOT.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/09-5801
Minor was a VOTING case NOT a citizenship case.
Your unsubstantiated speculations do not explain why Barry fails E-Verify check for match of name and number. IIRC E-Verify fails to match Barry's SS# to various spellings of Soetoro, either.
You do not explain why the Grandparents, in whose apartment he was living, would not take legal custody of Barry and claim the tax deduction on him.
As far as I am concerned I will not believe that he even flew unaccompanied or any of your other claimed statements of fact without actual documentary proof.
Not only that, but one of those INS agents mentioned that Barack had gotten Stanley Ann Pregnant in his Memo. Looking for another mother is needlessly multiplying complications with very little evidence and to no benefit.
Stanley Ann's Aunt Virginia May Dunham Goeldner even said that Stanley Ann usually went by the name "Ann."
Virginia said her niece, who was called Ann, was actually named after her father because he wanted a boy so badly he named her Stanley before she was born. She said that throughout her life she went by her middle name of Ann.
http://www.sherwoodvoice.com/articles/2008/11/14/maumelle_monitor/living/liv01.txt
Now don't pay any attention to the part of the Story where it says "When Ann died at an early age, it was Virginia’s brother and sister-in-law who raised the future president."
The Guy that wrote that article got it wrong and corrected it in another article he wrote later that day. You can find links to both articles. Virginia Goeldner knows very well that Ann didn't die till much later because she describes her role as an anthropologist.
I don’t want to read Leo. I want you to show me the actual court sentence that says Minor’s parents were American Citizens.
There is no such sentence in that case.
There is an implication but there is no direct statement.
Come on, if it was germane to the case surely you know that would have had to be addressed.
The fact that Minor was a citizen was NOT IN DISPUTE BY ANYONE.
Any discussion of it was dictum because that fact was not in dispute. Her citizenship , in essence, was agreed upon. It was not an issue before the court.
The job of SCOTUS is to discuss and decide as their holding the ISSUE before them. Citizenhip wasn’t it. If Missouri had said that Minor wasn’t a citzen then it would have been an issue.
Surely you understand the difference.
There is someone on this site that seems to be implying he has a copy of the paper in question.. I can’t remember his name. It was all very mysterious . I know it was not Greg H but I just don’t remember the name.
“One leak or mistake and it would catch the lot of them. The Risk/Reward just doesn’t make sense. It’s not impossible, but to my understanding of human nature it seems improbable. “
btw, Richard K C Lee (of the birth certificate) later wrote a paper with one of the Nordyke twins..for the institute that was known to be connected to the CIA.
Interesting coincidence in the scheme of it all.
Maybe you should pay more attention.
No where does Minor say that her parents were American citizens. In a Supreme Court case ABOUT CITIZENSHIP they will discuss the citizenship of the parents. Read Flores-Villar for an example.
All you have is an IMPLICATION. Why the implication????? Why the discussion of NBC??????
Because for the PURPOSES OF THIS CASE, that was all that was necessary. She was an NBC because her parents were American Citizens
+++++++++++++++++++AS IMPLIED+++++++++++++++++++++++++ by the court.
No discussion necessary BECAUSE her citizenship was not in dispute and any discussion of it was dictum.
Hi, I admit I haven’t read this thread, but saw your comment and needed to add something about ICE taking unaccompanied minors through customs; my daughter is court ordered to travel to Sweden each summer to stay with her father and I register as an unaccompanied minor, so she has a stewardess take her to the plane and then brings her out PAST customs to either myself or, on the other end, her dad. Never has an ICE agent had anything to do with it. People unaffiliated with the airline/airport, and those without a valid flight pass are not allowed to fetch luggage or go through customs with their children. My daughter has done this since 2007 twice a year, and it is always stressful, but under no circumstances do Airports allow anyone to come through customs who is not official, nor do they assign anyone above and beyond airline staff to watch the children. In fact, the past few times she has seen traded from stewardess to just an airline staffer once she gets off the plane, and this summer she was one of four kids in the staffer’s care. I can’t imagine that it was even more stringent per-9/11.
Fuller wrote Lockwood. He also wrote the dissent in Wong Kim Ark.He never mentions that Minor decided the issue .he never says it set precedent. When he mentions Minor it is in the context of not having decided a certain issue.
Tex: There is one path to natural-born citizenship that mostly definitely is settled law: those born in the country to citizen parents. All other paths have unresolved doubts and are absolutely up for debate until the SCOTUS makes a ruling.We both agree that those born in the country to citizen parents are natural-born citizens and that there can be no legal arguments to the contrary, do we not?Triple: Wrong - There is one class of citizenship that is unquestioned, NBC (those born in country to two citizen parents). Other classes of citizenship may be challenged. in M Vs H the woman in question was NBC, therefore her citizenship was unquestioned.
We both agree that for all others who claim natural-born citizenship, legal arguments can be made to the contrary, do we not?
I structured my statement to reflect the fact that those who are deemed citizens at birth or natural-born citizens by statute (and are not naturalized) may not be NBC for Constitutional purposes. The SCOTUS has not ruled on that path to natural-born citizenship. There may be only one path to a Constitutional NBC. Until the SCOTUS rules on the Constitutional status of statutory natural-born citizens, their path to NBC is unsettled law.
I’m not familiar with the customs procedure of Swiss authorities. You forgot to mention if your children were American citizens.
In America, foreign nationals who are Unaccompanied Minors cannot clear customs without a parent, close relative or guardian to assist them. The procedure is for an Unaccompanied Minor from a non-border country to be taken into protective custody. Keep in mind, Barry Soetoro was an Indonesian National traveling alone when he arrived in Hawai’i at 10 YO.
Furthermore, after SAD Soetoro took Barack “Soebarkah” Obama off her US passport, Barry Soetoro may not have had an Indonesian passport with him. We know from the Strunk FOIA documents that SAD Soetoro’s US Passport had expired when she returned to Hawai’i shortly after Barry landed in Hawai’i.
I went there and it is truly amazing to me that these people are singularly focused on Orly. There are two other cases to be heard as well.
From many of the comments over there I suspect Vladimir Ilyich Lenin would truly be proud of these fogbutts as the useful idiots that they are.
an unacompanied minor (or anyone else) cannot board a common carrier plane fom a foreign country without a valid passport and visa for the US. Are you suggested he was smuggled in?
I agree with this 100%. But if I wasn't part of the investigation and seen and heard what I have then I wouldn't make the statements. And believe me I have looked at it six ways to Sunday and still can't come up with any explanation other than the conclusions that were made. Believe me I find it scary and am not one who scares easily.
I can’t imagine SCOTUS ruling that a child with only one parent on their birth certificate couldn’t run for president if the mother was a US citizen at time of birth and father was unknown. Not in 2012.
I ask that people on this thread who are pro-life and hope that an unmarried woman who becomes pregnant but decides to keep the baby instead of having an abortion, stop calling the kids ‘bastards’. Is the blame the child’s?
I am an American and so is my daughter and in America, I am not allowed to go through customs with my daughter. What you are claiming is not true.
Wait, I see the distinction you are making, and my daughter is in the US line to go through customs in the US, so perhaps that is the difference.
On a lighter note, it is ironic that someone with the handle Sven Magnussen confused Sweden with Switzerland. :)
It is not in one sentence and it does not need to be in one sentence. The holding by the Court that Mrs. Minor was a specific type of citizen, that being a natural born citizen, explicitly affirms that her parents were US citizens because, as you posted, the Court declared (and I contend held) that “born in the country to parents who are citizens” is the definition of NBC.
If you can't see the inescapable logic of that all together in context being an affirmation that Mrs. Minor's parents were citizens, then we will have to agree to disagree. In any case, we all will have to await a SCOTUS ruling on what this all means in relation to Barry. We may not have to wait too long!
He is talking about PERSONAL JURISDICTION. Article III talks about judicial power.
Btw, Minor was a CITIZEN of Missouri . This fact was not in dispute. How do you figure that she was a citizen of a different state than Happersett who was acting on Missouri’s law?
The court threw out the complaint. It made it’s way to SCOTUS.
Now tell me how the two parties are from different states?????
Btw,it is important to know what happens with a demurrer.The judge has to assume all material facts are true.
You got that????
It’s a “so what” if they are true decision.
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