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CARTOON: The Dawkins Delusion
Out of Order Blog ^ | 12-29-11 | Dale

Posted on 12/29/2011 1:01:09 PM PST by daletoons

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To: grey_whiskers; YHAOS; betty boop

I’m not so sure why I was pinged to this ongoing discussion, but this is getting interesting.


421 posted on 01/05/2012 9:50:01 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark
You actually didn't ask me a question. I went back to post 294, because I think that's the first time you posted to me, so I guess it's the one you're referring to, and you said If you could kindly prove why your "non-belief" is not just another form of belief, have at it.

And I guess this answers MY question. You actually don't believe there is any such thing as non-belief. Or rather (to use your little trick), you actively believe that non-belief does not exist. You believe in the non-existence of non-belief.

422 posted on 01/05/2012 9:50:17 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Nice dodge. Answer the question or maybe you should run away like last time.


423 posted on 01/05/2012 9:51:45 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark

Answer what question?


424 posted on 01/05/2012 9:53:34 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: hosepipe

Pipe, she hits each note in perfect pitch and somehow forms that child’s instrument into the perfect sound box ... at such a young age. It is almost as if when she opens her mouth another being takes over the sounds coming out of her. Astonishingly beautiful it is.


425 posted on 01/05/2012 9:54:40 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
The same question I've been asking from the beginning, the one you refuse to answer, the one you continue to wiggle around:

Why is your belief there is no God simply not another belief?

426 posted on 01/05/2012 9:55:56 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark

My answer does not change: Asexual means lack of sexuality, not a different sexuality. Atypical means not typical, not a different kind of typical. Arrhythmic means no rhythm, not a different kind of rhythm. Athiest means a lack of belief in gods. There is nothing else that goes with it. It’s not a belief system.


427 posted on 01/05/2012 9:57:13 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Okay, now I'm in trouble, it's way beyond my bed time, so I'll check in tomorrow to see if you've actually answered the question without your normal wriggling about.

As soon as you do, I'll answer yours about "unbelief".

It's really a simple question.

428 posted on 01/05/2012 9:57:58 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: A_perfect_lady
Believing there is no God is not a belief system?

Spare me the nonsense.

You really need to think a bit deeper....

Good night. And please stop spouting nonsense, that's all you've done.

429 posted on 01/05/2012 10:00:47 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark
No, it's not a simple question. It's a childish game of one-upmanship. You have decided that there is no such thing as "nonbelief" which is why you put it in quotes and why you keep challenging me to explain to you what unbelief is, and then saying "I don't like your explanation, give me another."

This does explain why you are religious, though. You looked around at reality and said "I don't like this answer, give me another." And religion gave you another. Now you think that this is the way to handle everything.

430 posted on 01/05/2012 10:03:27 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: MHGinTN

[ she hits each note in perfect pitch and somehow forms that child’s instrument into the perfect sound box ]

Its true...........

Until I {..ugh..} obsessed on her I never knew that (I) could determine perfect pitch.. almost 70 years old and I never knew (or cared) that about myself..

Started questioning myself what is it about this kid that attracts me so?.. Started going over various items it could be.. But you may have hit on it.. Some people can determine “pitch” better than others can.. Like some have more sensitive taste buds than others and some can smell with more sensitive smellers than others.. Must be about pitch as well..

I started noticing (after determining this) that some bands had instruments “tuned” to each other better than others.. and singers were sometimes close but not pitch perfect.. effecting the quality of the performance.. all from this little girl.. What you say is true.. but I think she projects “her spirit” as well.. whatever that is.. “Voice people/professionals” might argue but there is something spiritual in her performances.. I’m not real sure what “the spirit” is but it seems to be real.. to me..

Made me open to the possibility others could project their “spirits” in some other ways.. I’m still considering that.. Wonder if you can develop the ability to gauge/measure that..

I really could care less about most singing before this..
My mentality went in other directions.. Hell I’m even studying OPERA of all things.. Opera to me before was “silly”.. and “ballet” comical.. Well I still think ballet kind of silly.. But maybe “the spirit” can be projected there too..

Anyway theres more to this girl than meets the eye..
Could really be a gift from God..

She said in one interview that she thanks God for her “gift” and ask God to sing with her on every performance.. (the little sweetie LoL)

If I was God.... “I would”...


431 posted on 01/05/2012 10:55:05 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: YHAOS; A_perfect_lady; Lakeshark; betty boop; marron; Alamo-Girl; metmom; xzins; GodGunsGuts

perfect lady: But I don’t feel cornered at all

Spirited: Being cornered is not your problem, having no “self” (soul) is. Six centuries before Jesus Christ, Buddha already knew that if there is no God—the supernatural God and not an immanentist version-—then there is no source for ‘self’ (soul, mind, free will).

If atheism, or scientific materialism, immanentism and evolutionism for that matter are true, then man is nothing but an empty shell. He is a mindless, soulless nothing, and so are you, perfect lady.

Negation of ‘self’ is nihilism, and the impossibility of living within its’ parameters is made evident every time an atheist (or materialist, etc) reasons, conceptualizes, theorizes, argues, dreams, imagines or argues with believers, as is taking place in this thread.

God the Father IS.


432 posted on 01/06/2012 2:19:49 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: daletoons
The materialist's faith in the escape hatch of "there just wasn't enough evidence for me" won't wash on judgement day.

They're just kidding themselves:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: — Romans 1:20

Thank you so very much, daletoons, for posting the hilarious cartoon — and for sponsoring this spirited thread!
433 posted on 01/06/2012 7:25:53 AM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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To: spirited irish; A_perfect_lady; betty boop; YHAOS; Lakeshark; marron; metmom; xzins; GodGunsGuts
Thank you so very much for sharing your testimony and insights, dear spirited irish!

God the Father IS.

I join in testifying that God is not a hypothesis. He lives. His Name is I AM. I've known Him for a half century and counting.

When a poster declares that he does not believe, it strikes me as bizarre as if he said that he does not believe my brother exists. I've known my brother my entire life but I do not expect everyone else I know to also know him and yet it would be bizarre for them to deny his existence simply because they do not know him.

Not everyone has the gift of "ears to hear" to know Him.

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Cor 2:13

Neither miracles nor reasoning can reveal Him to a spiritually deaf person.

And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land; The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles: Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day. And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot. - Deuteronomy 29:2-5

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. - I Cor 18:22-24

God's Name is I AM.

434 posted on 01/06/2012 8:26:16 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: spirited irish
He is a mindless, soulless nothing, and so are you, perfect lady.

I'm not mindless, but I'm definitely soulless. So are you. So is everyone. A "soul" is a human fantasy, growing mostly out of an absolute inability to comprehend that you will one day cease to exist. Most of humanity's ego simply cannot accept that. "I? Cease to exist? Something as wonderful and complex as I am?? Impossible!"

435 posted on 01/06/2012 8:39:12 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

If you say you have a brother, I would accept that, because millions of people have brothers and there’s nothing peculiar about it. If, however, we met for coffee and you gestured toward an empty chair and said, “And here’s my brother!” ... well... we’d have a problem. And if you told me that if I believed first, then I’d “see” him, I would made a gentle excuse and grab my coffee and get away from you as quickly as possible.


436 posted on 01/06/2012 8:43:56 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; A_perfect_lady; YHAOS; Lakeshark; marron; metmom; xzins; GodGunsGuts
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. — I Cor 2:13

It seems A_perfect_lady cannot discern spiritually for the simple reason that she denies Spirit. She's got herself locked up in a box that she sees no reason to get out of....

In her book, God, being "supernatural," cannot exist. Thus she "edits reality" down to the size of her own insistent demand that God NOT exist....

Sigh. It's sad.

Thank you ever so much for writing, dearest sister in Christ!

437 posted on 01/06/2012 8:51:34 AM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop

If I am “natural man,” so be it. I like that title just fine. It’s a big world and there’s plenty to see and do right here without plugging your brain into the Matrix. But to each his own.


438 posted on 01/06/2012 9:36:58 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: A_perfect_lady; Jim Robinson
Well I can’t believe God did it if there’s no reason to think that any such creatures exists.

That’s your prerogative. Use it in good health.

Yet you haunt the halls of FR looking to quarrel with Christians (that seems to be your sole mission). Why?

Your principal argumentative tactic appears to be feigned indifference to the very issue central to the whole topic by remaining passive like a rug on the floor and by pretending to embrace a life that extends little beyond washing and shopping for beans and toilet paper.

“I’m the washing, shopping for beans, and toilet paper type. I don’t care how the universe began. I do care about my budget, my job, my home, my family, my pets, my health... you know... LIFE.”

A transparent attempt to escape responsibility for your advocacy, thereby avoiding the skullwork necessary to defend that advocacy (an activity that would fail in any event). You profess umbrage at the thought that some people believe in the Judeo-Christian God and are given to express that belief on FR. Yet you chose to go, unnecessarily, to the very threads that so give you offense, while proclaiming your indifference to their content, yet noisily objecting to their existence. Your behavior casts profound doubt on your declarations. If you are sincere, you should follow the advice of our forum sponsor and patron:

Don’t have to view ‘em. Don’t like ‘em, just stay out of ‘em.
- Jim Robinson -

Dear lady, I like you well enough to not burn you at a stake or dunk you in a pond, but not so much as to not name what it is that you are doing.

439 posted on 01/06/2012 11:07:50 AM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: A_perfect_lady; spirited irish; betty boop; YHAOS; Lakeshark; marron; metmom; xzins; GodGunsGuts
But you are not in a coffee shop sitting across from me.

Free Republic is pro-God. You are at a convention of people who do hear Him - in truth, who are routinely speaking with Him all around you and have for years.

Is it rational to presume that all of us are nutz because you cannot hear Him?

What if you were at a convention of physicists?

Would you deny that the cosmos exists because you cannot noodle it? Or the quantum?

Would you deny relativistic time because you cannot conceive of it?

Would you deny that you are rocketing through space at over 550,000 mph simply because you cannot physically sense it?

Envision how those physicists might react to such a person at the convention - and compare it to how your correspondents have reacted to you.

Man is not the measure of God.

440 posted on 01/06/2012 11:09:25 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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