Posted on 04/14/2010 12:09:43 PM PDT by Welshman007
In the current controversy over the 80,000-troop 'Consequence Management Response Force' that is charged in part with 'helping with civil unrest,' the hypocrisy of the Leftwing has become abundantly clear when it comes to standing armies being used against American citizens.
The program was planned and the first stage was implemented under the administration of George W. Bush. At that time the program involved only one brigade of the 3rd infantry at Fort Stewart.
Since 2008 the program has been expanded to include personnel from all branches of the military, far beyond Fort Stewart, and far beyond the meager 6000 troops or so that were initially part of the plan.
The Leftwing, however, claims that Americans should not be worried, that this program is designed only to serve the citizens in the event of a major, catastrophic national disaster--although the plan itself states plainly that part of its role is to 'help with civil unrest.'
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List of pings so I can copy and paste later: Gilbo_3 ; mkjessup ; stephenjohnbanker ; Kartographer ; OneWingedShark ; NFHale ; hiredhand ; 95B30 ; Clump
I agree, this is a great thread. Hopefully, this response won’t make it stink. Here we go ...
Gilbo_3:
>why do you fear the commies without more than the commies
>within ???
The ones without are the ones with ballistic missiles, bombers, nuke subs, waiting for political instability.
>if the reds decide to nuke us, every last one of us, what
>do they gain ???
Answered by mkjessup in post #90 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2492995/posts?page=90#90
>what can we lose ???
If they nuke us during an armed “Tea Party” revolt? Our country, and hopefully not your precious souls for a last act of trusting firearms and not God.
>my faith in the Reign of Lord Jesus syas ‘bring it on’ and
>get it over with if thats the case...
Please quote the New Testament to back this up. Jesus is not an American.
>revival and repentence are needed by all, I got mine, no
>need to grovel to a godless wannabe because make no
>mistake, before all is said and done we will be required
>to bow to Baal in this country is we dont stand for
>Jesus...
Armed revolt will invite nuking by China/Russia. Please see post #90 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2492995/posts?page=90#90
stephenjohnbanker:
Your other points were answered by mkjessup in post #90.
>I am no expert in biblical exegesis, but do you believe
>God would wnt us to be ruled by Godless, evil, murderous
>men? Find me a passage that would indicate same.
1) Romans 13
2) Jeremiah 27:5-9
It is because the church is stupid, that people like Obama can get elected. Fix the church, and Obama ilk can’t get elected.
Kartographer:
In response to my request for a Bible verse supporting rebellion against evil government, you quoted Jeremiah 21:12. The problems with that are ...
1) It is old testament
2) The context of Jeremiah chapter 21 is that Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon is laying siege to Jerusalem because of the sin of God’s people. Verse 12 has everything to do with stopping the faithless sinning, and not much to do with stopping evil government.
3) In the new testament, we still have Romans 13, 1 Peter 2:13, and Matthew 22:21
>Per your bible view since The United States was created
>from an un-Godly act, as we revolted against the tyranny
>of the lawful British government, The United States has no
>right to exists and was created in sin, so should it not
>be punish for its sin of not bowing to the lawful
>government, but revolting against it?
Governments are set up by God per Romans 13 and Jeremiah 27:5-9, perhaps because ANY government is better than no government. Just because one fights a righteous fight, does not mean that he will necessarily win.
Perhaps the Revolutionary War was not sin in God’s eyes, perhaps because the British soldiers acted in the way portrayed in the movie, “The Patriot”, and thus they were worse than NO government. After all, John the Baptist did not tell the soldiers to resign their commissions. He told them to “do violence to no man, and be content with your wages” per Luke 3:14.
If the Revolutionary War was sin, then since we are in the New Covenant, we are not being punished for their sin.
The examples you gave in post 89 of America’s Revolutionary War and Israel fighting for their birth still has nothing to do with the fact that Russia/China would be FOOLS not to attack us during the transition between Obama holding power, and the 90 million conservative patriots taking control. If you don’t believe me, perhaps you will believe mkjessup in post #90 of this thread —> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2492995/posts?page=90#90
Armed revolt by the 90 million conservative gun-owning patriots would be unwise, because there is no better plan for holding off getting nuked by Russia during the transition of power other than WISHFUL THINKING.
Christian revival is the only way out.
OneWingedShark:
>ROTB, you are forgetting something about this country.
>It was founded on the idea that We the People are the
>legitimate source of the power of governance; that is to
>say that ultimately the Government answers to the people
>in the US.
That’s a really good point you’re making. What you’re saying is that armed revolt is practically sanctioned by the Constitution. I see your point.
So, let’s say for the sake of argument, that Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2:13 and Matthew 22:21 Jeremiah 27:5-9 are all moot since the 2nd Amendment erases any sin to armed revolt.
Even if the 2nd Amendment nullifies any sin toward armed rebellion, what I am saying is still true, in that the sin, faithlessness, smuttiness, and treacherousness of the leadership and patronage of the church, compels God to raise up formidable enemies for this country, to wipe it out.
This is what God did in Bible days to Israel, and he is doing it to us today.
“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
Hebrews 13:8
If the 2nd Amendment exonerates us from sin for armed revolt, then our final sin as a nation is to trust guns and ammo to deliver us from Obama, then Russia/China will nuke us during the transition of power. They would be stupid not to per mkjessup in post #90 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2492995/posts?page=90#90
I apologize for not understanding why you brought up Esther/Mordecai. I suspect I answered your question, since you tied them into the 2nd amendment, which I suspect I did understand why you brought it up. Right?
>He took a scourge and [forcibly] drove the money-changers
>out of the temple. He did this in zealousness for God’s
>temple. As Christians, we believe that God’s temple is our
>own bodies; how then is the “health-care reform,” wherein
>the government evaluates and deals based on one’s body,
>any different then the money-changers?
This is like the 2nd Amendment point you made. Similar answer: Whether it’s sin or not, I DON’T KNOW. What’s certain is, God is MUCH harsher with believers, than with non-believers. Even if I never personally witnessed sin in the church, the enemies of America is evidence enough of it.
Gilbo_3:
You again!!! :)
>now back to the whole damp panties over the nukes of
>china, again, i say, if that is the result of using the
>rod at home, so be it...
You’re suicidal?
>the larger question is whats to stop em ifn they are
>witnessing the same essential opportunity due to weakness
>of the totus ???
Obama is their stooge. Stooge has us borrowing money from them. When the day of default comes, stooge will “lawfully” hand them the country. See post by mkjessup in post #90 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2492995/posts?page=90#90 for more on this.
NFHale: If you see this as a last refuge for the downtrodden, it is because for a long time the church made it so. It is no longer so. The true way to avoid destruction, is to seek the Lord in revival. Armed revolt, whether it is sin or not, will invite foreign attack during the transition.
Lexington and Concord was fought over the fact that the Lawful Government at the time was taking action to disarm their citizens to prevent them from committing the same disobedient act which you now claim we would be committing. Can you using the New Testament justify the Revolutionary War? As Luke 13:4 talks about commission soldiers and the war was started buy ordinary citizens who did going on harm other men especial men serving the Lawful government at the time it does not apply. As for acts of brutality were the British soldiers acts any worse than those committed by the Roman soldiers against the Jews? Clearly in your denouncing the possible actions of of freemen doing their duty against a government which no longer recognize neither natural rights nor even the rules of law under which that government was created, while condoning the Revolutionary War shows that you are picking and choose which parts of the bible you will obey. I ask you using your interruption of the law please show in the New Testament why the Revolutionary War was not an act of disobedience under Luke 20:25, Mark 12:17 As far as Russia and China, what good does it do if you covet a man's house if you burn it to the ground? or to covet his land and take it and then salt it. The Russia and the China have troubles of their own and they are both smarter than that. They will just work on the will of the people and put us to 'sleep' or fill some like you with such fear of them that wet their pants and run and hide rather than STAND. For one thing Russia can't afford China to win, against us least that dragon turn to them and devour them. Russia has not the strength of old (Though I still would not recommend you try to invade them!)and they can not afford to have an unchecked China. If we lose this country it will be because men will not STAND to fight for it.
We’ll simply agree to respectfully disagree, good brother, and I’ll leave it at that.
To me, arguing theological beliefs is a round robin that never ends, so I tend not to engage in it.
To me, arguing theological beliefs is a round robin that never ends, so I tend not to engage in it.
dittos with the exception that i rather enjoy hearing the others heartfelt interpretation...
i would take exception to the insinuation of being 'suicidal' as that is kinda putting the cart before the horse...waaaaay over the top...
just the opposite is the case in fact, i simply realize that this life will end, and that a better one awaits...so fear of human death has no power over my Faith anymore...
the last human breath of the Lord was accompanied by the words 'it is done'...
we are simply polar opposites on whether use of force against obvious [as far as we can humanly discern] evil a Righteous act, and vs 'government' in particular...
the larger point made earlier was that the government in this land is the people, the official contract has been more than broken, by the 'representatives', in effect returning us to the default position of individual evil men being in our faces...no different than an ms-13 crew showing up to rape & murder...
theres plenty of scripture to illustrate passive resistance, i believe that is a design to give us much pause before resorting to armed resistance...but as i said before, i was called to the Lord Jesus, specificall by hearing the words of Luke 22:36...the Lord has worked in my heart and indeed when asked, the Lord Jesus aided me with a realtime material miracle, [FRmail ifn youre interested in details] and has been instructing and shaping my heart since that time, so i am under no illusion as to the Omnipotence of the Father, and that whatever His Plan, all I can do is to trust that He will guide my actions, even if as a human i get it 'wrong' in the interpretation of the details...
/longwinded ramblings...
Blessings guys...
>>He took a scourge and [forcibly] drove the money-changers
>>out of the temple. He did this in zealousness for God’s
>>temple. As Christians, we believe that God’s temple is our
>>own bodies; how then is the “health-care reform,” wherein
>>the government evaluates and deals based on one’s body,
>>any different then the money-changers?
>
>This is like the 2nd Amendment point you made. Similar answer: Whether it’s sin or not, I DON’T KNOW. What’s certain is, God is MUCH harsher with believers, than with non-believers.
Prov 24:17-18 (KJV) says:
Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: Lest the LORD see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him.
Along with the injunction/admonition to “walk worthy of the name by which you are called” [One of Paul’s letters, I believe; the exact passage & wording evade me at the moment] seem to validate your statement that God deals with the Christian differently than the non-believer.
>Even if I never personally witnessed sin in the church, the enemies of America is evidence enough of it.
Not quite; in John 15:18 Jesus says:
If you are hated by the world, keep in mind that I was hated by the world before you.
John 15:18 (BBE)
>I apologize for not understanding why you brought up Esther/Mordecai. I suspect I answered your question, since you tied them into the 2nd amendment, which I suspect I did understand why you brought it up. Right?
Partially. The laws of the Medes and Persians were involitale and unchangeable. When the enemies of the Jews [Haman] got the King to decree that the people could kill all the Jews on a certain day it seemed that that was that. God used Esther [and Mordecai] to pass another law, but it couldn’t counter or repeal the first, so instead it authorized the Jews to gather in groups, with arms, and defend themselves. The Second Amendment is much like a blanket version of that second law.
Now, granted there are several differences. You would be correct to point out that they were not rebelling against their government. I could counter that our US government is, for the most part, illegitimate according to our own laws [the Constitution]. Consider this, we needed to pass a constitutional amendment to prohibit alcohol nationally (and subsequently repealed it), tobacco has NEVER had such a [Constitutional] restriction on it, and the 2nd Amendment specifically PROHIBITS the infringement of keeping and bearing arms... yet the BATF exists. Consider that there is a limited listing of powers granted the federal government by the Constitution, and that by Amendments 8 & 9 anything not listed is a right or responsibility of either the States or the People.
What does the bible say about law-breakers, liars, and thieves? I would suggest that our Congress and Executive branch and Judicial branch are so qualified: Retroactive AIG Bailout Taxes of 90%, the violation of established bankruptcy/contract law regarding the GM/Chrysler takeovers, and Kelo v. New London, respectively.
“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” - Fleet Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander, Imperial Japanese Navy.
Then said He unto them, “But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” Luke 22:36
“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” - Fleet Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander, Imperial Japanese Navy.
************************
Armed revolt by conservative patriot taxpayers would indeed be successful in overthrowing this regime, because of the very fact that Yamamoto quote you cited so colorfully illustrates. It’s so colorful, I am still smirking as I type this.
But between the time when Obama/SEIU/Democrats/RINOs/MSM have firm control over this country, and the time that the conservative patriot taxpayers have firm control over this country, is there not a large window of ...
1) confusion
2) chaos
3) uncertainty
... which would be dutifully reported via email/cellphone/text by every communist mole, and could be expounded upon in lavish detail by the MSM with it’s dying breath, whereby China/Russia could just nuke us from afar?
And why would Jesus instruct some to be armed and what would be the need to be armed if one was not permitted to use those arms?
Christianity is not a wimpy, gutless and pacifist as so many (especially socialist) would have us believe. God doesnot expect us to stand aside or to only pray when evil things happen, or when evil men preform evil deeds. It is our duty to stop them when we can. "Administer justice every morning; rescue from the hand of his oppressor the one who has been robbed, or my wrath will break out and burn like fire because of the evil you have done — burn with no one to quench it." Jeremiah 21:12
More liberal hypocrisy and proof that liberalism = nazism.
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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You’re wrong brother. Look at the next verse ...
For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, “AND HE WAS RECKONED AMONG THE TRANSGRESSORS:” for the things concerning me have an end.
Luke 22:37
“HE” is Jesus, and the “transgressors” are the confused disciples taking up swords.
You want to count yourself as a confused disciple? Take up your gun.
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for ALL they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Matthew 26:52
“ALL” includes you, even when you mis-quote Luke 22:36 to justify your violence, despite it’s plain interpretation in Luke 22:37.
I do not believe that God expects his follows to be SHEEP and allow themselves to be lead to the slaughter.
The bible has just as many stories of heroes that God looked on with favor who took up the sword to defend the faithful as it has of martyrs.
I’ve said it before and I say it once more:
Better the daeth of Masada than the death of Dachau.
You’re quite wrong, here. Living by the sword and owning one and even using one are different things.
Jesus instructed his Apostles to buy swords for their self-defense but then admonished them not to ‘live by’ the sword - meaning that they should not become men of violence. This was in a day and age when professional soldiers were seen as little more than mercenaries for the simple reason that most soldiers were, indeed, mercenaries.
Applying that quote to Mr. Kyle was inappropriate in that Mr. Kyle was a retired soldier who was not engaged in warfare at the time of his death.
It’s akin to condeming a race car driver for his racing career when he gets run over by an SUV in a parking lot.
>I do not believe that God expects his follows to be SHEEP
>and allow themselves to be lead to the slaughter.
Read your Bible lately?
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Romans 8:36-37
http://bible.cc/romans/8-36.htm
>The bible has just as many stories of heroes that God
>looked on with favor who took up the sword to defend the
>faithful as it has of martyrs.
Old Covenant, Old Testament which is gone.
When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:13
http://bible.cc/hebrews/8-13.htm
>Better the daeth of Masada than the death of Dachau.
Not if you pray for wisdom for Obama, Congress, the Supreme Court, Police, Armed Forces, and the slew of administrators in between.
Also, read these classic commentaries, Matthew Henry and Jamieson Fausset & Brown, and you will find they agree with me, not you.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/henry/mhc5.Luke.xxiii.html
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/jamieson/jfb.xi.iii.xxiii.html
You are backslidden and a heretic if you think God wants you, to rebel against and pick up arms against the government.
Romans 13:4 says government bears not the sword in vain. If they kill you when you rebel with arms, it’s with God’s backing.
http://bible.cc/romans/13-4.htm
Also, again, when you do this, you invite invasion from China/Russia/etc. They would be FOOLS not to take advantage of your rebellion.
They are not fools.
>Applying that quote to Mr. Kyle was inappropriate in that
>Mr. Kyle was a retired soldier who was not engaged in
>warfare at the time of his death.
>It’s akin to condeming a race car driver for his racing
>career when he gets run over by an SUV in a parking lot.
I never mentioned Mr. Kyle. Whoever pinged you to this thread, ask them why they pinged you from wherever.
In this thread, we are discussing the issue of whether we should rebel against the government.
I offered the explanation given in many posts, the last being #111 at this link: http://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2492995/posts?page=111#111
Finally, today, after having read two classic commentaries, Matthew Henry and Jamieson Fausset & Brown, I conclude they agree with me.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/henry/mhc5.Luke.xxiii.html
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/jamieson/jfb.xi.iii.xxiii.html
You are backslidden and a heretic if you think God wants you, to rebel against and pick up arms against the government.
Romans 13:4 says government bears not the sword in vain. If they kill you when you rebel with arms, it’s with God’s backing.
http://bible.cc/romans/13-4.htm
Also, again, when you do this, you invite invasion from China/Russia/etc. They would be FOOLS not to take advantage of your rebellion.
They are not fools.
You, and your ilk, sign this country’s death cert, when you hate and rebel instead of praying for your enemies, like Jesus said.
A picker and chooser of what part of the Bible they will follow and so there is little need for us to carry on this discussion. The Old Testament is included in the Bible as it still has relevance and much of it still needs to be followed. Do we not follow the Ten Commandments merely because they are in the Old Testament?
I am a believer in the whole Bible and do not have the audacity to pick what I will follow and won’t.
As far as I am concern we have nothing more to discuss.
Don’t waste your time with this guy. If you follow out his belief he places all the founders in sin by rebelling against King George. I man with such beliefs I have no idea why he would want to come to a site like Free Republic except to proclaim his moral superiority.
That wasn’t God or His Som, that was the human being named Saul of Tarsus, who wasn’t even an apostle.
>That wasn’t God or His Som, that was the human being named
>Saul of Tarsus, who wasn’t even an apostle.
Peter, the apostle, calls Paul’s writings, scripture.
II PETER 3:16
16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Hello Kartographer -
You said in your reply to me
>A picker and chooser of what part of the Bible they will
>follow and so there is little need for us to carry on
>this discussion. The Old Testament is included in the Bible
>as it still has relevance and much of it still needs to be
>followed. Do we not follow the Ten Commandments merely because
>they are in the Old Testament?
>I am a believer in the whole Bible and do not have the audacity
>to pick what I will follow and won’t.
>As far as I am concern we have nothing more to discuss.
Indeed, you are right in that the Old Testament is there for our edification and instruction, as it says in the New Testament ...
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
... and the LORD Himself said that there is no contradiction in His holy Word ...
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken …
John 10:35
... then there should be Old Testament precedence for what I am saying about loving your enemies, submitting to authority, and not rebelling against lawful government, and even interceding for rulers, correct?
Let's begin:
[Is it fit] to say to a king, [Thou art] wicked? [and] to princes, [Ye are] ungodly? [How much less to him] that accepts not the persons of princes, neither regards the rich more than the poor? For they all [are] the work of his hands.
Job 34:18-19
Here in Job 34 we see that Elihu, who after speaking was not rebuked of God unlike Job's other friends, is asking rhetorically since we should not insult those who rule over us, how much less do we insult God? He takes it for granted that we don't insult our rulers, to which Solomon in his wisdom agrees ...
Curse not the king, no not in thy thought; and curse not the rich in thy bedchamber: for a bird of the air shall carry the voice, and that which hath wings shall tell the matter.
Ecclesiastes 10:20
... and actually this originates in the Law of Moses itself, where we are told not to curse neither God, those who rule ...
You shall not revile God, nor curse the ruler of thy people.
Exodus 22:28
... and we see what those who cursed the crowned King Saul were called ...
… children of Belial said, How shall this man save us? And they despised him, and brought him no presents. But he held his peace.
1 Samuel 10:27
... but the Law of Moses goes on to tell us even more about our conduct towards the treasonous in our midst ...
You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but you shall love thy neighbor as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
Leviticus 19:18
To me [belongs] vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in [due] time: for the day of their calamity [is] at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
Deuteronomy 32:35
... where David a "man after God's heart" said of his enemy Saul who sought David's life ...
Ye daughters of Israel, weep over Saul, who clothed you in scarlet, with [other] delights, who put on ornaments of gold upon your apparel.
2 Samuel 1:24
... and the prophet Samuel was grieved over King Saul's disobedience towards the LORD ...
It repents me that I have set up Saul [to be] king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.
1 Samuel 15:11
... and "cried unto the LORD all night" in intercession for Saul to God.
Now you might say, "But Obama is ungodly. We can't obey Obama and the Democrats when they want to take away our guns." Here again, we have an Old Testament precedence for obedience and submission ...
I spoke also to Zedekiah king of Judah according to all these words, saying, Bring your necks under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and serve him and his people, and live. Why will ye die, you and your people, by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence, as the LORD has spoken against the nation that will not serve the king of Babylon?
JEREMIAH 27:12-13
(there are many verses that say something similar to this)
No matter how many other Christians or Conservatives or Tea Partiers or "Pastors" or "leaders" fall into the trap of rebelling against rule by Obama and Democrats ordained by God ...
That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till you know that the most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomsoever he will.
DANIEL 4:25
... we are not to follow them into rebellion ...
For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD ...
1 Samuel 15:23
... and we don't follow such “Pastors” or Conservatives into cursing our leaders ...
You shall not follow a multitude to [do] evil; neither shall you speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest [judgment]:
Exodus 23:2
To summarize how the Old Testament calls us to love, curse not with words Obama or the Democrats, curse not even in thought Obama or the Democrats, but rather to bless them and pray for them:
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Job 34:18-19 |
Don't call the king wicked |
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Ecclesiastes 10:20 |
Don't curse the king even in your thoughts |
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Exodus 22:28 |
Don't curse the ruler of your people |
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Jeremiah 27:12-13 |
Serve the heathen king of Babylon, and live |
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1 Samuel 10:27 |
Despisers of the king are called, "children of Belial" |
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Leviticus 19:18 |
Love your neighbors |
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2 Samuel 1:24 |
King David, a man after God’s heart, urges tears be shed for Saul, his enemy who wanted him dead |
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1 Samuel 15:11 |
Samuel the Prophet intercedes for backslidden King Saul |
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Daniel 4:25 |
God picks our leaders |
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Exodus 23:2 |
Follow God, not an evil mob |
It goes without saying that the New Testament echoes all these precepts, which your pastor has not taught you is how you should conduct yourself:
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Job 34:18-19 |
Romans 13:7 |
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Ecclesiastes 10:20 |
Romans 13:7 |
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Exodus 22:28 |
Romans 13:7 |
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Jeremiah 27:12-13 |
1 Peter 2:13 |
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1 Samuel 10:27 |
2 Peter 2:10, Jude 1:8 |
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Leviticus 19:18 |
Matthew 22:39 |
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2 Samuel 1:24 |
Matthew 5:44 |
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1 Samuel 15:11 |
1 Timothy 1:1-4 |
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Daniel 4:25 |
Romans 13:1 |
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Exodus 23:2 |
Matthew 7:13 |
If after seeing the same case I already made in the New Testament for loving and praying for your enemies, made in the Old Testament, you want to pick up arms against the clear counsel of Jesus our LORD, who said in Luke 22:36-37, "he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one" because "this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, 'And he was reckoned among the transgressors' ".
Jesus wanted them to buy swords, so scripture could be fulfilled when Jesus would be "reckoned among the transgressors" when his disciples wielded swords and made themselves "transgressors" for Jesus to be "reckoned among the transgressors." Again, classic commentaries by Christians far better than you or me agree with what I am saying, and they were hardly "pick and choose" cafeteria Christians.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/henry/mhc5.Luke.xxiii.html
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/jamieson/jfb.xi.iii.xxiii.html
If this error you have been inadvertently deceived into propagating is to be believed, then Matthew Henry was a "pick and choose" Christian? Jamieson, Faucett, and Brown were cafeteria Christians?
Furthermore, we have no enemies in the flesh any more. In the Old Covenant, the enemies of God’s people Israel were evil peoples like the Hivites, Canaanites, and Hitties that were to be driven out. King Saul was charged by God to specifically wipe out the Amalekites down to the last infant. Do you, Kartographer, have an anointed command like this from God directly, or from a reliable prophet to do this to Obama and the Democrats, or are you unforgiving, and hate-filled?
You would be much wiser to repent, and forgive, and use your Christ-given authority to bind your true enemies …
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
Ephesians 6:12
Obama and the Democrats are flesh and blood, and are therefore not your enemies. They are unsaved heathen, under the control of demons and/or fallen angels. They need your prayers, or they will die and go to hell, and continue to destroy this country until they do.
A Christian revival is the only way out for the USA.
Your guns and skills as hunters won't save you from death and hell, because we don't live in sword swinging Old Testament times any more ...
When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:13
You Kartographer, are insisting that I am, and you are not, "A picker and chooser of what part of the Bible they will follow."
Let's test this "whole Bible" "Christianity" you are inadvertently promoting in your ungodly hatred of Obama and the Democrats:
1) Do you never work on Saturdays per Exodus 20:10 under pain of death per LEVITICUS 15:25?
2) Do you sacrifice male cattle without blemish to the LORD per LEVITICUS 1:3?
3) Got any extra wives per Exodus 21:10?
4) Do you stone adulteresses?
5) Ever sleep with a woman you did not marry per EXODUS 22:16?
6) Do you kill witches per EXODUS 22:18?
7) Get circumcised per LEVITICUS 12:3?
8) Keep the 3 feasts of EXODUS 23:14?
9) Have you ever made a "sin offering" per EXODUS 29:14, or was Jesus offered "once" per HEBREWS 7:27?
10) Has the LORD GOD commanded you to drive out Obama and the Democrats the way he charged Israel to drive out the Hivites, Canaanites, and Hittites per EXODUS 23:28? Has the LORD GOD commanded you to kill government agents that want your guns, and Democrats, and Obama the way he commanded King Saul in 1 Samuel 15:3 to kill the Amalekites down to the last infant?
... all the above begs the obvious question: What did the New Covenant change?
I suggest you re-read Romans 8, and Colossians 2, and Luke 9:54-56, and then re-read your New Testament to remember why you became a Christian in the first place.
The LORD showed us himself that under this New Covenant, we don't even stone adulterers like we did under the Old Covenant ...
And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what say you? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not]. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, ”Woman, where are those your accusers? Has no man condemned you?” She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, “Neither do I condemn you: go, and sin no more.”
John 8:3-11
Finally, if you take up arms against the government, you invite invasion from China/Russia/etc. They would be FOOLS not to take advantage of your rebellion.
They are not fools. I guarantee it. They probably even have people shilling here about the need for “patriots” to take up arms against Obama and the Democrats. China/Russia/friends have all the interest in the world in stirring up and duping the people of the USA into Civil War 2, which makes invasion by them so very much easier.
To be laborious and to repeat myself again: Rebellion a.k.a. Civil War 2 signs the USA’s death certificate, when rebels hate and rebel instead of praying for their enemies, like Jesus said we should in Matthew 5:44.
Does God not answer prayer? Read my profile for a study on how to pray and get answered by God if you are a Christian.
There is still time to turn from this path of error, and to love and pray for them our enemies that hate us, and to weep for our sins, turn from them, and to call our churches to pray EARNESTLY for revival, and for our leaders, and for the unsaved.
If you think Russia and China aren’t licking their chops over your sinful rebellion making their invasion plans WAY easier, may I remind you of the following:
1) Chinese sub goes undetected until it surfaces in the middle of a US Carrier group in 2006.
2) Our carriers are routinely “sunk” in exercises against Diesel-Electric subs.
3) Russian bombers testing our defenses in 2008, 2010, and 2013.
4) Russian submarines detected in the Gulf of Mexico in 2012, off the east coast in 2009, and off the East Coast in 2012.
… and that’s just the stuff I found in a few minutes of searching. Who knows how many incidents DON’T go reported.
Let’s love Jesus, by obeying Him.
And why call all of you to me, “Lord, Lord”, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever comes to me, and hears my sayings, and does them, I will show you to whom he is like, He is like a man which built an house, and dug deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that hears, and does not, is like a man that without a foundation built a house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
LUKE 6:46
The false doctrine of “Eternal Security” is a lie. It is a.k.a. “fire insurance”, a.k.a. “easy believe-ism”, a.k.a. “sin all you want, and still go to heaven”. If it was true, is George Sodini who killed 4 people and then died, in heaven now? Don’t bet your eternal destiny on it.
Turn from your rebellion, and live, and pray for a restoration of holiness in the USA church, and for wisdom and patriotism in the United States government.
Otherwise, Civil War II is coming, and will grow until an unstoppable invasion by China/Russia/etc will destroy the USA.
Best Regards,
- ROTB
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