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A lot of people are frightened that someone who thinks like Emanuel is at the center of an administration seeking to remake the entire health care system. Having read these two articles, I think there is very real cause for concern.

When you look at how much the left has actually admitted it becomes terrifying to contemplate what they are hiding.

1 posted on 08/01/2009 9:17:01 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 08/01/2009 9:17:30 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 08/01/2009 9:18:32 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 08/01/2009 9:18:40 AM PDT by 444Flyer (The Lord is a warrior, the Lord is His name.-Exodus 15:3)
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To: wagglebee

Notice that the standard is written fuzzily so that old people who are still “valuable” will still get health care. I assume this means govt officials and tenured professors and the like.


5 posted on 08/01/2009 9:20:31 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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He sounds like Doctor Josef Mengle. You know certain elderly groups will get exemptions - i.e. my guess is elderly whites health care will be the first to get cut off.

The seniors who voted for Obama are fools. The Emanuel family is evil.


6 posted on 08/01/2009 9:20:50 AM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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Nifty solution to the social security issue. Now the government can keep that money instead of having to pay it out to seniors who reach retirement age since everyone will be killed off at the cutoff.


7 posted on 08/01/2009 9:21:08 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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Here we go again....”Lancet article.”

Lancet = fail, on varying methodology and political bias levels.


9 posted on 08/01/2009 9:21:51 AM PDT by cranked
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Should Dr. Emanuel ever desire euthanasia, I will be glad to assist him.
11 posted on 08/01/2009 9:25:40 AM PDT by davisfh ( Islam is a very serious mental illness)
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A lot of people are frightened that someone who thinks like Emanuel is at the center of an administration seeking to remake the entire health care system. Having read these two articles, I think there is very real cause for concern.

Adolf Hitler wrote all of his plans
in Mein Kampf in 1925.

He came to power in 1933.

Most people did not understand until 1936
that he really meant what he wrote.

We are being warned about BHO's associates.

It may take three years for all to understand
what is planned for the weak, the old and the infirmed.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
12 posted on 08/01/2009 9:28:53 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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I guess we've become so inured to obvious conflicts of interest that this doesn't stick out like the sore thumb it is. The head ethicist at NIH is the brother of the President's chief of staff? Oh the head ethicist doesn't have to be ethical himself.
13 posted on 08/01/2009 9:30:36 AM PDT by gusopol3
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“When you look at how much the left has actually admitted it becomes terrifying to contemplate what they are hiding.” - wagglebee

“Everything about socialism is sham and affectation” - Frederic Bastiat, “Economic Harmonies” 23.11 Evil

Thanks to all posters.


14 posted on 08/01/2009 9:36:21 AM PDT by PGalt
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17 posted on 08/01/2009 9:39:27 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed.

I suppose life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are likewise not basic in the mind of this heartless RAT, but also subject to age rationing?

21 posted on 08/01/2009 10:05:01 AM PDT by freespirited (The Surgeon General has determined that Harry and Louise are dangerous to your health.)
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“Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years. Treating 65-year olds differently because of stereotypes or falsehoods would be ageist; treating them differently because they have already had more life-years is not.”

In Rush’s words, GOBBLEDY GOOK!

New age, feelgood babble but in reality he says nothing except kill the oldies!


23 posted on 08/01/2009 10:21:30 AM PDT by charmedone (There is a right to health care but no right to be born?)
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POPULATION CONTROL

The One is on record saying babies born alive from botched abortions should not be given medical treatment. And now that seniors should not be given medical treatment and moved into hospices after mandatory "End of Life" counseling.
"C'mon, buddy, we can't afford this. Time for you to go..."

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24 posted on 08/01/2009 10:47:29 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed.

When the government can decide who has a right to life then you have NO rights that the government can't take away. Only loyal party members are participating citizens.

26 posted on 08/01/2009 11:18:45 AM PDT by eggman (Obama's Spread the Wealth will work just as well as Spread the Liabilities (sub-prime mortgages))
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Death Cultivation ping listees, I could really use some help from you. Even I tire of posting these things, so I imagine some of you may also have long ago tired of my alerts. Then think of how many in my extended family react. So I need some fresh viewpoints.

I keep getting this comment from a sister.

Also, the president has repeated numerously that if you already have health insurance that you are happy with you do not have to take this. I like the option that if I lose a job or quit I can take this health insurance rather than a costly COBRA.
Please provide me with several of the best answers to this. Links, both factual and well worded opinions, supporting each answer would also be good.

Help me as this sister is surrounded by liberals. I don't want her turning against me. I have difficulty keeping my own arguments clear in any verbal instruction without good instructions because (as anyone who knows me) I so easily can be sent off chasing tangents.

Thanks.

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30 posted on 08/01/2009 12:39:24 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (Yesterday's Left = today's status quo. Thus "CONSERVATIVE": a conflicted label for battling tyranny.)
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So, Emanuel wants to be the “decider”. Piss on him. He needs to be stood against the wall.


31 posted on 08/01/2009 2:11:48 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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32 posted on 08/02/2009 12:50:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Evidently not enough reading has been done. I’ve read the articles (both referred to here) and this is total BS. I urge people to read the good doctor’s articles themselves.

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel is a great an compassionate man. His Lancet article (which is a great read BTW) is about how one should allocate care in terrible situations when you cannot save everyone. The quote about dementia in the other article, crucially misses the whole point by ignoring the next few lines in the actual article. When he’s talking about “basic” care he’s referring to specific list of things which should be guaranteed to a normal patient capable of benefiting from them, such as say an Autistic child being guarantied educational therapy which would not benefit an someone suffering from dementia. In the later case another system would need to be in place to address effectively the needs of such an individual.


35 posted on 08/13/2009 11:16:39 PM PDT by Pelayo
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