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To: wagglebee

Evidently not enough reading has been done. I’ve read the articles (both referred to here) and this is total BS. I urge people to read the good doctor’s articles themselves.

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel is a great an compassionate man. His Lancet article (which is a great read BTW) is about how one should allocate care in terrible situations when you cannot save everyone. The quote about dementia in the other article, crucially misses the whole point by ignoring the next few lines in the actual article. When he’s talking about “basic” care he’s referring to specific list of things which should be guaranteed to a normal patient capable of benefiting from them, such as say an Autistic child being guarantied educational therapy which would not benefit an someone suffering from dementia. In the later case another system would need to be in place to address effectively the needs of such an individual.


35 posted on 08/13/2009 11:16:39 PM PDT by Pelayo
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To: Pelayo; Coleus; narses; Salvation; cpforlife.org; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Sun; Lesforlife; ...
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel is a great an compassionate man. His Lancet article (which is a great read BTW) is about how one should allocate care in terrible situations when you cannot save everyone.

He is a modern-day Dr. Mengele and it now appears that YOU are a troll.

This is the United States of America, we are not some putrid third-world cesspool despite Zero's attempts to turn us into one, we DO HAVE the resources to treat everyone and we ALWAYS HAVE.

The moment we accept a plan that allows for rationing, the more things will be rationed. That is how fascism works and you are either too naive to see it or you are an active advocate of it.

36 posted on 08/14/2009 4:42:15 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Pelayo
His Lancet article (which is a great read BTW) is about how one should allocate care in terrible situations when you cannot save everyone.

Perhaps so.

I've got just such a "terrible" situation for you: the govt takes over health care and starts cutting costs. From the house bill:

The Secretary shall establish within the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality a Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research ...to conduct, support, and synthesize research... with respect to the outcomes, effectiveness, and appropriateness of health care services and procedures in order to identify the manner in which diseases, disorders, and other health conditions can most effectively and appropriately be prevented, diagnosed, treated, and managed clinically.

Among the specialties on this center are

III) Bioethics.
IV) Decision sciences.
V) Health disparities.
VI) Economics.

What part of this unconstitutional power grab do you not understand? A federal committee of Decision Scientists and Economists are going to decide who gets care (20-somethiing) and who gets left outside to die (infants, aged, etc)

38 posted on 08/14/2009 4:57:34 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Pelayo; wagglebee
I urge people to read the good doctor’s articles themselves.

Are you sure that's what you meant to say? "The Good Doctor" is one of Mengele's nicknames. How would reading his articles convince us of Emanuel's compassion?

39 posted on 08/14/2009 5:58:23 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Damn the trolls (even those within our ranks). Full speed ahead. ~ Þ)
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