All European Life Died In Auschwitz

Israel Science and Technology Homepage ^ | November 21, 2004 | Sebastián Vivar Rodríguez

[FARS]

I walked down the street in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz.

We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.

Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for hoping for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe.

PROPOSED Constitutional Amendment to avoid encountering this situation in the USA:

28th Consitutional Amendment

[FARS]

However, Sebastián Vivar Rodríguez is right about the Muslims. You kill your bankers, doctors, scientists for racial purity and replace them with violent street thugs. Brave new world.

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I submit that our losses in Korea and Vietnam removed enough of our good American genetic pool to arrive at today's raving liberals, whose moral codes are encroaching on a form of social barbarity.

And while on genetic pools, allowing myself for a moment to be "politically incorrect" socially - and overly broad in my brush strokes, it is less likely for families of the intelligentsia, the more highly educated "thinking" population, to have a slew of children.

For the most part, the upper levels of education bring with them desire for mental accomplishments and also intellectual amusements, which leave less time for raising too many children.

The wonderful people of rural areas, with less hustle and bustle tend to raise more (and usually better brought up) children.

Outpacing them are the poor, often semi-literate or illiterate masses like so many Moslems, who traditionally find strength in large families, specially coming from environments where one bread winner cannot provide sufficiently. And a bedroom for only one person is a waste of good (hard to acquire) space.

As a general rule, traditional Moslem families (unless from the "upper crust") live communally in their abodes, often all eating and sleeping in a single room. (Don't look at the more prosperous ones you may have met outside their own countries. Think of your Hispanic laborers to get a closer picture. The striking difference being that the Hispanics are not brainwashed to kill you as part of their sacred duty in life).

In America and Europe, children equate to more money from the State, so the innate urge is increased by monetory benefits gained.

There are wonderful Moslems everywhere but in general they play little or no part in the "Islam" with which we have to deal. Including in the form it is drummed into the brains of children, urging them to become killers for Allah. The way it is taught - slightly less openly today - in every Madrasseh (school) attached to mosques.

A recently acquired CD of all major mosques in the USA would print out to some 300 pages. Not quite up to the number of churches but remember, churches cater to some 90% of Americans. Moslems are a tiny sliver of our society but have have a disproportionate number of locations under the guise of religion - all preaching violence. And our removal from the face of this earth.

Just imagine if every church in the land suddenly reverted to the Old Testament of the Bible, made it mandatory to follow the old teachings (eye for an eye etc.) and then incited the congregation to kill all non-Christians or be barred from Heaven.

Sounds insane to us but is the way of life and devotion to Allah - both written and preached.

We should be VERY worried by what one Freeper calls the Reverse Crusades hitting our doorsteps. With nuclear bombs at the receiving end in our neighborhoods.

[kronos77]

Concidering that Vietnam war was started and led by Democrates...
No wander

[Alexander Rubin]

Fascinating and horrifying. Thanks for the links.

[happygrl]

We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for hoping for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

Vengeance is mine saith the Lord.

[supercat]

You can't see the forest for the trees. They did more than intend to use them. They used their weapons against BATF!

The BATF's plan was to shoot the Davidians' dogs, then burst into their home and start throwing grenades. This plan was to be carried out regardless of anything the Davidians might have done to cooperate with a search.

The BATF did not have a no-knock warrant. That they started shooting and engaging in deadly force (concussion grenades are not as likely to kill as fragmentation grenades, but can still be deadly) without legal justification makes them criminals.

Further, the BATF fired thousands of rounds of ammunition randomly, including in the general direction of other BATF agents. Given the absolute recklessness of the BATF agents, it's amazing that there weren't more than four agents killed by friendly fire.

[Fred Nerks]

I am not familiar with this aspect of the history of their expulsion.

Neither am I, but not being Christian might have had something to do with it...

[Fred Nerks]

The bias is calculated. The consequences are predictable.

Sadly, I must agree with you.

[Twinkie]

I just don't understand the "Jewish disconnect" and their seeming blindness to the liberal left's obvious catering to the terrorists, prejudice against Israel and outright coddling of Palestinian terrorists in particular. I've heard it explained, but it still don't make sense. It looks like suicide and self-hatred.

[RoadGumby]

Youe said "The most offensive aspect of radical Islam is its refusal to recognize freedom of speech or religion. The proposal I excerpted did exactly the same. Using your Nazi analogy, it would be like gassing a few million people of German descent to battle Hitler.

If you want to give up the fight to persuade people not to choose Islam by imposing your own religious and speech restrictions, you’ve lost your way. After Islam, what’s next? Liberalism? Atheism? Oh, you might not think so now, but just wait for the next rationalization for expanding prosecution of thought crimes. The only difference between Islamism and what that “amendment” would lead to is who started it."

Well, I think I do understand what you are trying to say. One should not sink to the level of those that are trying to hurt you. I believe, IN GENERAL, that this is so. However, I also believe at this point that this enemey we face (And they ARE enemies to us) is unlike any other we have ever faced.

It is tempting at times to allow oneself to dehumanize a foe, easier to hate and kill that way. But truly, these Radical Islamists have lost most if not all theiur humanity when they even teach their children to hate and kill in the name of their 'religion'.

I believe we are not facing a religion, but a cult of death. Life seems to have no value to these people. 'Traditional' rules just neither seem to work or apply to the struggle against them. One cannot go halfway in stopping them.

I also believe in the basic goodness of our selves. Look at us, questioning how far we should go to defeat them. Are we worried to become like them? Should we unleash our own 'ugly' side to defeat them? THEY have no such inner review of themselves.

[Richard Kimball]

Herman Wouk, in The Hope and the Glory puts forth the premise that many of the New York jews immigrated from Russia, and brought their politics with them. Although they were treated very poorly in Russia, they became socialist and remained socialist.

I also think, that as people who are discriminated against all over the world, they have a natural tendency to gravitate towards policies that promise "non-discrimination." Many of the Jews who came to the US fleeing the holocaust had seen the problems created with the Nazi propaganda, and fear the racism.

[Man50D]

The BATF's plan was to shoot the Davidians' dogs, then burst into their home and start throwing grenades. This plan was to be carried out regardless of anything the Davidians might have done to cooperate with a search.

The BATF didn't one day suddenly decide to indiscriminately choose to raid the Branch Davidian compound. They went there for a reason. If you bothered to read the whole article from the link The Waco Davidian Standoff provided in post #85 you would have seen the following passage:

"Also found were lathes, milling equipment and other tooling machinery, which essentially substantiated the suspicions of authorities, who believed that Koresh and the Davidians were engaged in the illegal conversion of assault rifles to automatic weapons and the manufacture of crude "grease guns."

Koresh and his followers possessed illegal firearms by illegally manufacturing firearms and also illegally possessed hand grenades.

This argument digresses from my original point the fed's have already established a precedent to deal with violent cults. Islam has the same basic violent belief system as the Branch Davidians and should be treated as a cult by our government.

[supercat]

The BATF didn't one day suddenly decide to indiscriminately choose to raid the Branch Davidian compound. They went there for a reason.

Indeed so. They were in danger of losing funding, and needed Operation Showboat to convince Congress not to cut off the money spigot.

They did not have a no-knock warrant. Perhaps they should have gotten one. Since they did not, however, nothing that could be alleged against the Davidians could justify the plan to kill the Davidians' dogs and smash into their home throwing concussion grenades.

Absent exigent circumstances, police are not allowed to raid a person's property without a warrant which provides for the manner in which the raid is to be conducted. There is no plausible "exigent circumstances" argument here since the BATF spent days preparing for the raid. Were there any justice, all of the agents involved on the raid would be facing seven charges of felony murder.

[tpaine]

The Federal government considered the Branch Davidians a violent cult and set a precedent against cults when it destroyed the Branch Davidian compound.
Islam by the federal government's defintion based on their action against the Branch Davidians, is also a cult and should be dealt with in the same manner as the Branch Davidian's.
Consequently the proposed Amendment is not necessary.
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The proposed Amendment would be not only unnecessary, but also unconstitutional.

Koresh and his followers possessed illegal firearms by illegally manufacturing firearms and also illegally possessed hand grenades.

The firearms "Act" of 1933 is a clear infringement on our 2nd Amendment. Koresh and his followers were 'dealt with', -- before being able to present their case, -- by an unconstitutional use of force.

This argument digresses from my original point the fed's have already established a precedent to deal with violent cults.

You haven't made a valid constitutional point that cults can be 'dealt with' by an "established precedent" utilizing such force.

Islam has the same basic violent belief system as the Branch Davidians

Islam has a basic violent belief system. ---
--- You haven't established that the Branch Davidians had such a basic violent belief system.

and should be treated as a cult by our government.

If you truly believe that the Branch Davidians cult deserved to die because of their weapons, and/or political/religious views; -- get help.

[elfman2]

” Well, I think I do understand what you are trying to say. One should not sink to the level of those that are trying to hurt you.”

That’s not quite it. I’m for being as brutal to those who support terrorism as the terrorists are to us. I seriously think we should drop “insurgents” from terrorist nations on their country capital buildings at 10k feet. (After a military trial of course.) It would be such a great media demonstration of who’s sponsoring terrorism, so disrespectful of terrorist governments, so terrorizing to the terrorists and such a great demonstration of our moral commitment. But we absolutely have to punish people only for their actions, not their thoughts! That is THE most fundamental principle behind our civilization, legal system, liberty and freedom. It’s THE thing that separates us from the Islamists, not any supposed “cult of death”.

I’d be the first to honor martyrdom of even my kids in defense of THEIR values, not someone else’s. I don’t fault Muslims for marching their kids around in war parades, just for sending them to attack school busses and for attacking people perceived of having engaged in thought crimes. Those two things are what most makes them evil, and one of them is what that ridiculous “amendment” wants to do as well. It outlaws thought and speech, the exclusive hallmark of every degenerate regime, potentially with death if resisted.

[Man50D]

I>Indeed so. They were in danger of losing funding, and needed Operation Showboat to convince Congress not to cut off the money spigot.

How convenient for you to continually ignore the fact they illegally manufactured and therefore illegally possessed weapons.

[RoadGumby]

Speech is not necessarily free. You may not yell "Fire" in a theater. I would opine that it is just as wrong to teach your children to kill others (not trying to kill you) just because they believe differently. I am all for free speech and freedom of Religion. As with all Freedoms, there is responsibility.

Islam is a cult that must be dealt with violently and with prejudice. It WILL come here in all it's "Glory" and we will regret that we did not do what was necessary earlier.

[supercat]

How convenient for you to continually ignore the fact they illegally manufactured and therefore illegally possessed weapons.

I ignored the accusations against the Davidians because they are irrelevant to the issue of whether the raid was conducted legally.

The BATF spent days planning for a no-knock raid. Although there are occasions when warrantless no-knock raids may be justified by exigent circumstances if there is no time to consult a judge (e.g. an assassin is seen to flee into a building and bolt the door) clearly there would have been time between the decision to conduct the no-knock raid and its execution to get a no-knock warrant to actually authorize it.

The BATF did not have a warrant that authorized them to conduct the raid in the fashion they did. There were no exigent circumstances to justify the lack of a warrant. IT DOESN'T MATTER what the Davidians were accused of; the government's raid was a crime and the agents who participated are responsible for the deaths occurring therein.

[supercat]

Islam is a cult that must be dealt with violently and with prejudice. It WILL come here in all it's "Glory" and we will regret that we did not do what was necessary earlier.

I'm not sure how many Moslems accept the Hadith, but even the Koran states that Mohammed acted in ways which are considered unacceptable by moral people. Despite this, Moslems regard both Mohammed and the Koran as perfect.

Consequently, I don't see any way to be a Moslem without:

1. Believing that the Koran is falsely describing Mohammed.
2. Believe that Mohammed was not a perfect person.
3. Believe that there is nothing wrong with Mohammed's actions.
4. Believe that while Mohammed and the Koran are perfect, and that while the types of actions Mohammed engaged in are not morally acceptable, they somehow do not contradict his perfection.

I don't see how #1 or #2 could be even remotely consistent with being a true Moslem. I don't see how #3 is consistent with being a good citizen of the U.S. That leaves #4. A mind clouded by liberalism would probably not have any particular problem with #4, but the cognitive dissonance produced thereby could result in aggression against anyone who would stress it.

I'd like to see Mohammed get more exposure. That would quickly separate out the four types of Moslems listed above.

[tpaine]

How convenient for you to continually ignore the fact they illegally manufactured and therefore illegally possessed weapons.

How convenient for you to continually ignore the fact our government illegally/unconstitutionally prohibited manufacturing or possession of 'certain' weapons, and then instituted a deadly unconstitutional raid to enforce their decree.

[elfman2]

You’re not addressing anything I said. This is going nowhere.