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"Our Lady of the Angles" LA's New Cathedral (complete w/ gift shop & snack bar)
Associated Press// The Cincinnatti Enquirer | September 02, 2002 | Paul Wilborn

Posted on 09/02/2002 7:12:17 AM PDT by yankeedame

SEPTEMBER 02, 05:33 ET

Cathedral Opens Its Doors

PAUL WILBORN, Associated Press Writer

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The opening of the first new U.S. Cathedral in 25 years comes as the Roman Catholic church deals with economic problems and a sex abuse scandal, but leaders say the landmark building is just what is needed during these turbulent times.

The $195 million Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral — intentionally a foot longer than New York's St. Patrick's Cathedral — was scheduled to open Monday at a dedication that was to draw on the diverse backgrounds of the community.

Cardinal Roger Mahony, the leader of the nation's largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, said the cathedral is symbolic of the church's ability to withstand the turmoil.

``A cathedral is timeless in terms of human joys and difficulties,'' Mahony said. ``We've had over the course of time and history many saints and sinners in the church. The cathedral stands as its own reflection of God's presence.''

Protesters angered by the church's handling of sex abuse allegations were expected among the thousands of priests and visitors during the dedication ceremony outside the cathedrals' thick, adobe-colored walls.

The cathedral is Spanish architect Rafael Moneo's postmodern interpretation of California's original Spanish missions, including sloping floors, high ceilings and muted tapestries that depict saints and worshippers.

Artists and designers have added symbols from diverse beliefs and languages as a way of welcoming everyone, Mahony said.

The 25-ton bronze doors carry symbols of deities from around the world, and a disc-like water sculpture in the entry is inscribed with the biblical phrase ``I will give you living water'' in the 37 languages in which Mass is celebrated throughout the archdiocese.

A procession of 565 priests, bishops, archbishops and cardinals was to cross the cathedral plaza and walk down the 333-foot-long nave. Mahony, five bishops and a monsignor planned to bless the building.

Built on a hill overlooking the traffic-choked Hollywood Freeway, the cathedral also stands as a reflection of Mahony's commitment to the city's downtown.

Along with drawing from California's 9 million Catholics, it is expected to draw tourists from Europe, South America and Asia and become a focal point for redevelopment of downtown.

There are no official projections, but tourism officials hope the number will top the 6 million people that visit St. Patrick's each year. The Staples Center, home of the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers, is nearby, and the Disney Concert Hall is expected to open late next year

``The cathedral is another crown jewel in downtown,'' said Carol Schatz, of the Central City Association, a downtown development group. ``What brings downtowns back to life are a number of things, but one is architectural masterpieces that give people a reason to come downtown.''

The church itself has struggled financially as the stock market decline has taken a deep bite out of the archdiocese's budget, forcing cuts for ministry and education by as much as 30 percent and a scaling back of the opening celebrations.

Most of the $195 million to build the cathedral was raised through private donations. A 6,000-space mausoleum, built beneath the cathedral, along with a gift shop, restaurant, conference center and a 600-car parking garage should cover most expenses, Mahony said.

The design has drawn mixed reviews from the community.

Bill Scott, a county employee who has watched the cathedral rise across the street from his office, said he doesn't know what to make of it. ``It doesn't look like a church,'' he said. ``It looks more like a fortress ... or a prison.''

Max DeMoss, a Riverside artist who created a number of pieces for the cathedral, agreed with the fortress description but said, he also gets ``a sense of exhilaration as I approach it.''

The cardinal, who lives in a second-floor apartment that overlooks the plaza, said he is pleased with the finished product.

``The inside has a warmth and prayerfulness and peacefulness to it that I wasn't sure we would reach,'' he said. ``I just couldn't be more pleased.''

Still daunting, though, is the shadow of the sex abuse scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church.

``While Cardinal Mahony is celebrating his building, we'll be there to expose the lies and deceptions and deceit, which has been the foundation many victims have experienced in the church,'' said Mary Grant, who heads a Southern California chapter of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests.


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To: dighton
Yes, it describes the physical building and that all "angles" are covered as far as "entertaining" the faithful.
41 posted on 09/02/2002 8:05:58 AM PDT by Let's Roll
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To: Hodar
What, no child molester jokes? I feely gypped.
42 posted on 09/02/2002 8:06:24 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Hodar
Sorry, but I cannot seem to post the list that goes along with the diagram. Maybe someone else will be successful.
43 posted on 09/02/2002 8:07:21 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: yankeedame
"a 6,000 space masoleum built beneath the cathedral..."

... the place to bury pedohile priests when they go to eternal rest?

44 posted on 09/02/2002 8:08:18 AM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: Orual
Did you ever see that new Church in Milwaukee? There was an article here about it last month. ANother post-modern horror. It shows a very angular, featureless Jesus impales on what looks like a pencil hanging under a crown of very angular thorns. Brutal.
45 posted on 09/02/2002 8:08:42 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: yankeedame
I remember the first time I visited St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC...AND SAW THE GIFT SHOP! I was shocked. The concept of "moneychangers" flashed in front of my face and I was compelled to let my Roman Catholic boyfriend know how I...the little pagan...felt about it all. I was sickened to see the Lord's house cheapened that way.

Now this!

--It's a business (with some) alright.

I pray they do much good in the community to make up for it.

46 posted on 09/02/2002 8:08:47 AM PDT by NordP
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To: AdA$tra
Yeah, the Pair of Ostriches and the Celtic Serpents really drive home the concept of One God. Not!
47 posted on 09/02/2002 8:08:52 AM PDT by Procyon
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To: Procyon
I guess the RCs have amended the First Commandment

Try, a few RCs in Los Angeles. Why do you have to stereotype when it comes to Catholics? If you do the same thing with blacks, you would get fired from your job. Try to show the slightest bit of intelligence and maturity.
48 posted on 09/02/2002 8:10:20 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: dighton
Looks like an ultra-modern beach house to me.
49 posted on 09/02/2002 8:10:36 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: gitmogrunt
"a 6,000 space masoleum built beneath the cathedral..." ... the place to bury pedohile priests when they go to eternal rest?

No way! There ain't enough room since they're all molestors!

Dickhead.

50 posted on 09/02/2002 8:11:40 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: independentmind
LOL, see my POst 40. Ever been to LBI in New Jersey? IF so, you'll know what I mean. I'm guessing they have thes beachhouses everywhere.
51 posted on 09/02/2002 8:12:57 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: yankeedame
Good to see that all the anti-Catholics are out in force, living down to the lowest of expectations. I believe we've met the quota for molestor jokes, which I believe is inversely proportional to the closeness of the topics of "pederasty" and "Church architecture in Los Angeles." Obviously rich pedo joke territory.

I think the floors must be bloodstained with all the knucklescraping going on today.

Cue one of my Catholic friends to reprimand *me* for not tolerating the bigots.
53 posted on 09/02/2002 8:15:20 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
No. I think most Catholics would be appalled at the design features of this new building. And concerned that the Vatican is either uninformed (I doubt it) or unwilling to enforce some conformity -- at least draw the line well before the laity discovers it first.
54 posted on 09/02/2002 8:15:57 AM PDT by Procyon
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To: Conservative til I die
I've been in LBI many times, but not recently. Actually, I was born and raised in NJ. But I think that you are correct--this type of architecture can be found in many places. It's not so common in Ocean City or Cape May, though.
55 posted on 09/02/2002 8:17:06 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
It looks quite non traditional to me.

It certainly does. The cathedral resembles an Aztec ruin reassembled by space aliens for illegal aliens.

Mahoney is proud of helping the Aztecs beat their swords into leaf blowers.

57 posted on 09/02/2002 8:21:11 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: Hodar
To discuss the topic at hand, with the exception of this church, I am unaware of ANY Christian religon that actively markets on church soil. I am unaware of any that maintains a profit center, within the church

Go to almost any Episcopal Church in NYC. If you're lucky they'll offer three masses a week. But like I said, plenty of jazz concerts and self-help seminars!
58 posted on 09/02/2002 8:22:58 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Procyon
No, I agree that most Catholics would be outraged. I am, believe me, I'm not defending LA, just attacking the turds on this thread. My point is the blame should be applied rightly, and not to the entire Church hierarchy or laity.
59 posted on 09/02/2002 8:24:54 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Cachelot
The 25-ton bronze doors carry symbols of deities from around the world

Hey, Cardinal Mahony, you've got some 'splainin' to do. The first two commandments are--

You shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

Exodus 20:3-4

The God of Abraham and Moses doesn't look to kindly on political correctness in the church--

But if you turn away and forsake the decrees and commands I have given you and go off to serve other gods and worship then, then I will uproot Israel from my land, which I have given them, and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my name.

2 Chronicles 7:19-20

60 posted on 09/02/2002 8:29:06 AM PDT by freebilly
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