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"Our Lady of the Angles" LA's New Cathedral (complete w/ gift shop & snack bar)
Associated Press// The Cincinnatti Enquirer | September 02, 2002 | Paul Wilborn

Posted on 09/02/2002 7:12:17 AM PDT by yankeedame

SEPTEMBER 02, 05:33 ET

Cathedral Opens Its Doors

PAUL WILBORN, Associated Press Writer

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The opening of the first new U.S. Cathedral in 25 years comes as the Roman Catholic church deals with economic problems and a sex abuse scandal, but leaders say the landmark building is just what is needed during these turbulent times.

The $195 million Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral — intentionally a foot longer than New York's St. Patrick's Cathedral — was scheduled to open Monday at a dedication that was to draw on the diverse backgrounds of the community.

Cardinal Roger Mahony, the leader of the nation's largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, said the cathedral is symbolic of the church's ability to withstand the turmoil.

``A cathedral is timeless in terms of human joys and difficulties,'' Mahony said. ``We've had over the course of time and history many saints and sinners in the church. The cathedral stands as its own reflection of God's presence.''

Protesters angered by the church's handling of sex abuse allegations were expected among the thousands of priests and visitors during the dedication ceremony outside the cathedrals' thick, adobe-colored walls.

The cathedral is Spanish architect Rafael Moneo's postmodern interpretation of California's original Spanish missions, including sloping floors, high ceilings and muted tapestries that depict saints and worshippers.

Artists and designers have added symbols from diverse beliefs and languages as a way of welcoming everyone, Mahony said.

The 25-ton bronze doors carry symbols of deities from around the world, and a disc-like water sculpture in the entry is inscribed with the biblical phrase ``I will give you living water'' in the 37 languages in which Mass is celebrated throughout the archdiocese.

A procession of 565 priests, bishops, archbishops and cardinals was to cross the cathedral plaza and walk down the 333-foot-long nave. Mahony, five bishops and a monsignor planned to bless the building.

Built on a hill overlooking the traffic-choked Hollywood Freeway, the cathedral also stands as a reflection of Mahony's commitment to the city's downtown.

Along with drawing from California's 9 million Catholics, it is expected to draw tourists from Europe, South America and Asia and become a focal point for redevelopment of downtown.

There are no official projections, but tourism officials hope the number will top the 6 million people that visit St. Patrick's each year. The Staples Center, home of the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers, is nearby, and the Disney Concert Hall is expected to open late next year

``The cathedral is another crown jewel in downtown,'' said Carol Schatz, of the Central City Association, a downtown development group. ``What brings downtowns back to life are a number of things, but one is architectural masterpieces that give people a reason to come downtown.''

The church itself has struggled financially as the stock market decline has taken a deep bite out of the archdiocese's budget, forcing cuts for ministry and education by as much as 30 percent and a scaling back of the opening celebrations.

Most of the $195 million to build the cathedral was raised through private donations. A 6,000-space mausoleum, built beneath the cathedral, along with a gift shop, restaurant, conference center and a 600-car parking garage should cover most expenses, Mahony said.

The design has drawn mixed reviews from the community.

Bill Scott, a county employee who has watched the cathedral rise across the street from his office, said he doesn't know what to make of it. ``It doesn't look like a church,'' he said. ``It looks more like a fortress ... or a prison.''

Max DeMoss, a Riverside artist who created a number of pieces for the cathedral, agreed with the fortress description but said, he also gets ``a sense of exhilaration as I approach it.''

The cardinal, who lives in a second-floor apartment that overlooks the plaza, said he is pleased with the finished product.

``The inside has a warmth and prayerfulness and peacefulness to it that I wasn't sure we would reach,'' he said. ``I just couldn't be more pleased.''

Still daunting, though, is the shadow of the sex abuse scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church.

``While Cardinal Mahony is celebrating his building, we'll be there to expose the lies and deceptions and deceit, which has been the foundation many victims have experienced in the church,'' said Mary Grant, who heads a Southern California chapter of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests.


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To: Cachelot
To place symbols on the door representing "deities" from around the world is blasphemy, in my opinion.

Either any cathedral or church built on the solid rock of Peter upholds the Word and doctrine of Christian belief in the one, true God, or it promotes heresy and confusion among the faithful. To place pagan "deities" on equal footing right in the faces of countless worshippers and visitors is beyond my belief.

I'm Lutheran, but have the deepest respect and admiration for the Catholic faith. If my church pulled such a stunt, I'd be Martin Luther-on-the-spot, nailing several thesis on the door and angrily demanding a reformation.

Leni

21 posted on 09/02/2002 7:39:23 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: yankeedame
The 25-ton bronze doors carry symbols of deities from around the world

How lovely to elevate pagan deities to a place of honor in a Christian cathedral. Who needs those dusty old admonitions in the Ten Commandments, anyhow? Sheesh.

I'd love to see a list of who was honored.

22 posted on 09/02/2002 7:39:58 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
It looks expensively liberal with no real solemn traditions exept the kneelers.

And even Kneelers are a liberal tradition, as well... hope the gift shop sells kneepads...

23 posted on 09/02/2002 7:43:09 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Cachelot
The LA Times has had numerous articles about this super-expensive building, its architecture and design, including one about the doors in yesterday's paper. The door features different versions of Mary, making sure few ethnicities are left out. The designers even talk about how they started out focusing on Jesus as the central figure for the cathedral but by the time it was over, they discuss Mary as the virgin Goddess (which in some of those ethnicities, that's what she is - the previous pagan goddess, just renamed and made acceptable in a Christian era). I heard something in a previous article weeks back that there is a crucifix with a figure of Jesus on it - but he's definitely an extra in this production, not the star or even a co-star. By the time this ex-Catholic finished reading it, it definitely renewed my faith -- I became an even stronger Protestant.
24 posted on 09/02/2002 7:44:44 AM PDT by Moonmad27
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To: yankeedame; Salvation; Orual; aculeus; general_re; Romulus; All

LOL! "Angels" is the word. Sorry..my dyslexia was acting up there for a moment!

No mistake. "Our Lady of Angles" perfectly describes this monstrosity.

25 posted on 09/02/2002 7:47:47 AM PDT by dighton
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To: yankeedame
The 25-ton bronze doors carry symbols of deities from around the world,

Excuse me?
26 posted on 09/02/2002 7:48:39 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: yankeedame
A picture would have been nice.
27 posted on 09/02/2002 7:49:59 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: yankeedame
No thanks ..... I will never set foot in the place. I once attended Mass in the quaint old mission chuch in Old Las Angeles .... worked fine for me even though the Mass was in Spanish.
28 posted on 09/02/2002 7:51:31 AM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: Dog Gone
And in the Mausoleum level, you can purchase a place to store your deceased. I wonder, is this like a Shuregard storage locker (Climate Controlled)where you pay rent monthly. What happens when you stop paying rent to the church? Do they have real estate agents, or rental agents? How about some TV and radio ad's touting their rates?

I'm sure Christ would have something to say about this; but I doubt that any of the church's leadership would care to listen. It appears that Lucifer has won this battle.
29 posted on 09/02/2002 7:52:28 AM PDT by Hodar
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To: dighton
No mistake. "Our Lady of Angles" perfectly describes this monstrosity.

That ain't no lady, more like a monument to street-walkers. What a horror.

30 posted on 09/02/2002 7:53:28 AM PDT by Orual
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32 posted on 09/02/2002 7:56:40 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
"I saw a strange church being built against every rule...No angels were supervising the building operations. In that church, nothing came from high above...There was only division and chaos. It is probably a church of human creation, following the latest fashion, as well as the new heterodox church of Rome, which seems the of same kind..."

"I saw all sorts of people, things, doctrines and opinions. There was something proud, presumptuous and violent about it, and they seemed to be very successful. I did not see a single Angel nor a single saint helping in the work. But far away in the background, I saw the seat of a cruel people armed with spears, and I saw a laughing figure which said: 'Do build it as solid as you can; we will pull it to the ground.'"

Visions of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich

33 posted on 09/02/2002 7:56:59 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Dog Gone
Symbols on the bronze door: I guess the RCs have amended the First Commandment (Thou shalt have no false gods before me)

In the Los Angeles diocese you can attend Sunday Mass in 42 unintelligible languages. So much for the One Holy Catholic Church.

Someone does have to find out about the Sky Pews with open Eucharistic Bars. And Confessions via cellphone.

34 posted on 09/02/2002 7:57:56 AM PDT by Procyon
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To: Salvation
The wreckovator Vosko was hired as a consultant. Martin had Mahony pegged in Windswept House.

The Archdiocese of Los Angeles hired Father Richard S. Vosko, a priest and educator in Albany, N.Y., as art consultant to the project, with a $6-million budget for the first phase. Three major commissions dominate his cathedral program.

35 posted on 09/02/2002 8:01:10 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Dog Gone
The 25-ton bronze doors carry symbols of deities from around the world

Those are the words of the AP reporter who wrote this. This Midwestern Catholic doesn't buy the pagan dietyies theory. Perhaps Saints is what they meant? Perhaps different culture's symbols for the one true God?
36 posted on 09/02/2002 8:02:59 AM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: MinuteGal
Here's a book (Catholic) that you might find interesting, and has to do with this topic, written by Michael S Rose, the man who wrote the excellent "Goodbye, Good Men":

Ugly As Sin
37 posted on 09/02/2002 8:03:22 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Procyon
I don't see a monkey god. Hindus will be outraged.
38 posted on 09/02/2002 8:03:59 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Moonmad27
It's too bad you allow the actions of a stupid few to spread "blood guilt" on the entire Catholic Church. Do you normally run away from things when you don't get your money's worth?
39 posted on 09/02/2002 8:05:07 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: dighton
Looks like some of the more expensive beach houses down on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.
40 posted on 09/02/2002 8:05:37 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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