TALE OF TWO LAWERS (Feldmand vs. Dusek) DEFEATED and DECIETFUL.(VD's SKATE FREE TO SWING AGAIN)

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[FresnoDA]

TALE OF TWO LAWYERS......

DEFEATED and DECIETFUL

[bvw]

You should rent out your cranium as storage space or something -- seems to be NOthing but a big empty space. Put some racks in there, set up a loading dock. Do something useful with it.

[dread78645]

"Care to Share"

NO!!

I make a big bowl of popcorn and was awaiting your scintillating insight in regards to my #1644.

Disappointed

What to do, what to do ...

[pinz-n-needlez]

"even if they would have been present at the time of the murder. "

If just one such witness came forward, we wouldn't have this mess, now, would we?

And the persons with the best shot at identifying that moment have apparently been ignored. Such a dilemma. In the meantime, we're all left with either witty remarks or meaningless insults to pass the time.

When, where, and how do you think she came to be dead?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"We are NOT defending pedophiles."

David Westerfield is a convicted pedophile, and a convicted murderer.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"If just one such witness came forward, we wouldn't have this mess, now, would we?"

Was O.J. innocent or guilty?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Why does our opinion bother you all so much!!!?"

There's one thing that was established beyond a doubt as far as the trial went, Westerfield had kiddie porn in his computer.

Normally, most FReepers would be ready to hang the guy just on that alone. Hell, I remember a thread about a guy having "virtual" kiddie porn in his computer, and the general FReeper concensus was that he should be hung out and left there to die.

Yet, the van Dam's lifestyle is so perverted to some, that they're willing to give Westerfield a pass, and convict the van Dams.

We were overwhelmingly ready to convict OJ with less evidence.

I don't get it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

They don't call it the Smokey Back Room for nothing. Do they?

BTW, the people who were there, listening to every word of testimony, looking close-up at every shred of evidence, found Westerfield guilty.

I hope he burns in hell.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"You should rent out your cranium as storage space or something -- seems to be NOthing but a big empty space. Put some racks in there, set up a loading dock. Do something useful with it."

1661 posted on 9/2/02 8:49 PM Eastern by bvw

"whatever does one call the side of ignorance and stupidity anyway."

1656 posted on 9/2/02 7:13 PM Eastern by bvw


one could call it bvw...........

[UCANSEE2]

I think most of us that felt so strongly that this "smelled like bad fish", did so because of gut feelings, intuition, and common sense.

I didn't get to see his face when the verdict came in.

If he had no reaction, or very little, I wonder if he saw the thunder coming down the mountain. When you sit there and watch the prosecution get to lie, get favorable treatment on the objections, and hear the jury told they had to go with both charges (murder/kidnapping) so if one occurred/the other did. She was dead, therefore he kidnapped her and killed her.
No proof of why,when,how,where needed. PERIOD.

That is not the way the justice system is supposed to work.

What most people have missed, is that this family had the best PR team in the US working for them. Think about the effect of that. It is what gets JERKS elected to PRESIDENT.

[Guenevere]

#1666....Luis, did you know we have specific laws for kiddie porn ...(& I abhor kiddie porn, btw!!)...

Specific laws!

It's a felony......

But I never realized that kiddie porn (as horrendous as it is)....was punishable by death.

So your correlation is....'he has kiddie porn (if indeed it was his)...so therefore, he's the murderer.

I guess you would be aghast if I suggested it would be enlightening to know what kind of interesting things were found on the VD computer.

[bvw]

When someone comes onto a thread, giving an opinion, offereing nothing in support of that opinion, and name-calling everyone who doesn't agree with it, why that person has just penciled his mark in the STUPID BOX. And when he celebrates his no-nothingness against many folks who studied and carefully followed every thing about the subject for months --- the RAVING IDIOT BOX.

And, here's a thing you best keep in mind -- just like Reno and Reno's minions kept suppressed and hidden pertinant information they had on the cubano padre Gonzales, and stacked the deck in every way agsint the refugee boy Elian, so too was the deck stacked against Westerfield. The Jury heard less than the regular readers of these threads did, the Judge kept their blinders on -- only forcing them to be poisoned directly and indirectly by the media propaganda. The public was directed to a decision, it didn't come, by itself, to one.

I can't understand why Luis Gonzales has become a big fan of the propaganda state. Of all people, I thought you would be able to resist the song of the media sirens and such fans and comrades of Castro.

[pinz-n-needlez]

I don't know what my opinion about that case has to do with this case.

We don't know how Danielle got dead, or when she got dead. Yet a man is possibly facing his own death becaused she got dead.

If there were more solid information about how she got dead, it would be possible to come to a firmer, more rational conclusion about whether DW was likely to have killed her.

Having child porn on one's computer is not punishable by death under US or CA law.

[Freedom2specul8]

"I can't understand why Luis Gonzales has become a big fan of the propaganda state. Of all people, I thought you would be able to resist the song of the media sirens and such fans and comrades of Castro. "

As you well know, we "can" speak our minds and we don't have to play follow the leader. Most of us don't follow the leader.

We are able to "read" the trancripts, read whatever book we want, and watch or listen to whatever we want.

Just because your interpretation of events isn't shared by all regular trial observers, doesn't mean those people who disagree with you are victims of state propaganda.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38764c85336d.htm

[Freedom2specul8]

http://www.claremont.org/publications/robinson991027.cfm
Reeb finishes with detailed studies of how Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton viewed political journalism. But he goes beyond a merely theoretical treatment. Reeb finds that these founders shared a common vision -- a partisan vision absent from today's journalists. "[W]hereas the founding generation looked to the self-evident truths of the Declaration of Independence for first principles, today's journalists take refuge in a self-denying ordinance against partisanship which neither overcomes their partisanship nor strengthens the public's attachment to the Constitution."

These are strong words in an era when so many in the media lament the lack of public spiritedness and cynicism about government. It lays at the feet of the journalistic community and its overarching ideas, the blame for much of the disconnect citizens feel toward debate in the public square. Reeb instead prescribes honesty and energy in the "partisan" cause of informing Americans about politics within the context of a constitutional republic. "A healthy political journalism should not suppress its major premises or implied conclusions but assume the honorable burden of stating and defending them, in open and honest debate, to other members of the media, to politicians and to other citizens," he writes.

[Freedom2specul8]

http://www.claremont.org/publications/robinson991027.cfm
Reform begins, then, with a reflection upon our republican principles. Too many journalists are defending an idea that sanctions and protects their institutional strength without understanding the other important institutions that safeguard freedom. Such narcissism comes with a cost. As American sentiment for government drops, the media often fail to report the lack of trust in them as an institution. A quick visit to the Freedom Forum's website (http://www.freedomforum.org) shows just how journalists are concerned with the public's negative opinion toward them.

[Freedom2specul8]

There are so many great articles...about media propaganda, state propaganda...where do we start?

I found the previous article I posted to you just doing a quick search from previous fr links.

Should we start debating about bias in the media?

or do we even need to....?

[Freedom2specul8]

My recent posts were for you too...sorry I left your name off. I picked a random article, because there are too many good ones out there..where to start?

[Southflanknorthpawsis]

I just wanted to mention how thankful I am that there is another place to discuss this trial besides this thread.

I tuned out everything Westerfield over the three-day weekend and dared to glance here this morning.

Wouldn't you know it.......it was like opening the door and finding a snake. When I see 4 or 5 posts in a row by the resident pain, I know this is not the place to start the week.

Just had to say that and I know you get my drift.

[It's me]

Agreed South. It sure is sad, though. I keep thinking that people will behave like adults here, but at least I know we can go and really discuss the case elsewhere.