TALE OF TWO LAWERS (Feldmand vs. Dusek) DEFEATED and DECIETFUL.(VD's SKATE FREE TO SWING AGAIN)

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[FresnoDA]

TALE OF TWO LAWYERS......

DEFEATED and DECIETFUL

[The Other Harry]

Posting from behind in the thread again... Well, Kim, this question just begs to be answered. And I'm not being facetious, I really want to know. Don't you think it's a little strange that both Danielle AND Layla were "subject to frequent nosebleeds?" I've been around dogs all my life, have four right now, as a matter of fact, and I can't recall a single dog I've ever known that had nosebleeds. Of course, that's not to say that there AREN'T any. Just that I don't know of any.

I agree.

I have had one dog that developed a nose-bleed. He had sniffed up a fox tail. I don't know if you have those where you live, but they can be nasty little things. They are sort of like a complex, multiply-pronged fish hook that can climb up easily enough, but strongly resist going back down.

I couldn't actually see the fox tail, but the dog was sneezing blood all over the place. I'd heard about this happening, so I had a pretty good idea what the deal was.

Time to go to the vet. As in, now! Those things can be fatal. They will climb right up into the sinuses and kill the dog.

But other than that, I have never seen a dog develop a nose-bleed. I've never heard of it happening. That just sounds very strange.

[The Other Harry]

I don't think the dog was subject to "frequent" nosebleeds. What I recall is the dog had a nosebleed "from running into Damon's leg" which just sounds bad, anyway you parse it. I've seen a dog slam into a brick wall (bad frisbee catch)...

Still laughing.

Yes, that would qualify as a relatively bad frisbee catch. I can actually see my dog doing it.

On a leg? No way in hell. It never happened.

[The Other Harry]

small_l_libertarian, are you still with us?

Last time I heard, small_l was a little bit pissed off about something.

[The Other Harry]

The DSM IV is politically correct hogwash. But that's all there is for official referrence.

I'm rather interested in this dicussion of the DSM IV, for reasons that are too complicated to get into just now.

Are you aware of any criticisms or professional discussions that you could point me to? If it could be argued that it isn't necessarily all that definitive, I'd like to learn about that.

[TheSpottedOwl]

I'm sorry but I can't. You could do a Google search or if you're on usenet, perhaps you might find something there. I personally don't believe in sugar coating something that is dangerous. Imo, they're sugar coating everything these days.

Know what? If your gut says BAD, listen. Better than any Diagnostic manual in the short run :)

[Jaded]

Brenda said Danielle had frequent nosebleeds.

[Yeti]

People of the lie was written by M Scott Peck MD

Thanks fussybutt.

I couldn't remember his name. I never read any of the others, but of course I had heard OF The Road Less Travelled. It was mentioned on the cover of People of the Lie.

It really was a thought-provoking book. I expected it to go somewhere, like a novel, but instead it was in the form of several case histories taken from his personal practice. It was engrossing.

[Yeti]

And I also think it was a crying shame that Fresno got banned, where did the warning that he should have gotten, but no just a flat out banned. What was so terrible about his joke?

Almost like they were looking for an ~excuse~ and when he posted the FAKE QUOTE, it was the violation they needed. It was obviously a joke, if they didn't like it they could pull it and extract a public explanation and apology in the forum.

But someone was able to say "fraudulently representing the administration of FR and impersonating an admin" which is technically good enough reason to ban someone, even though in context it was obviously a joke.

~~ sigh ~~

You have to -> WANT <- to ban someone or be in a really bad mood to permanently ban a star poster like fres over something like that.

[TheSpottedOwl]

I've heard of that book, People of the lie. Haven't read it though...

fussybut> Don't let these people get you down.

[calawah98]

I agree, I have been reading the posts on BADJOES thread, and Miz was trying to point out it was a joke, but JR said he was bull headed so it does'nt look like Frez will be back. If this thread is to right the wrongs that have been done I think JR could at least look at it in the way it was intended, like we all did, and get a chuckle out of it.
I looked forward to his threads every day, he would post the newspaper articles, which people out of state do not get, and I could see how the media was totally on the side of the VDs.

[Yeti]

It's not exactly science anyomore, or maybe ne'er was. It is political diagnosis.

I don't know how the DSM treats those subjects. I know that it is a MEDICAL book. Written by doctors for doctors.

Psychiatrist = type of doctor
psychologist = type of philosopher, mystic, wordmonger.

A doctor is a kind of scientist. A psychologist is a kind of sophist(usually).

Psychologists are certainly constantly espousing such nonsense as what you have described. People's ignorance of the difference is useful to psychologists. They sell books and grow cults by seeming like scientists of the mind. They are no more scientists than English, Art, or Women's Studies professors.

A psychiatrist, the doctor, can write you a prescription if you have a chemical problem, or an emotional problem that can benifit from short-term medication. He can also do everything a psychologist does.

Psychiatry is a medical specialty, they get an M.D. after their name. Psychologists get a Ph.D.(if they finish their dissertation).

Like most doctors, psychiatrists have to do a 6 month internship in a field other than the one they plan to enter. Thus you might have psychiatrist who spent 6 months delivering babies before he ultimately got licenced to practice.

If I had a problem I would want to go to a psychiatrist rather than a psychologist.

But the DSM could have become corrupted by PC inanity recently, it wouldn't surprise me since it seems everything else has.

[Yeti]

Dusek used the cheating example at playing cards to describe that evidence is looked at in its entirety and not picked at individually like those here have done which led them to erroneous conclusions.

Oh! So you DO remember....

[Yeti]

Why did the man down the street have her DNA & hairs if he wasn't involved in her death?

How do you know he didn't?

It doesn't help that W tried to get into the swinging group & was rejected

What part of the testimony was that from?

The real point is ...

HOW DID THE SPOT OF BLOOD GET ONTO THE FLOOR AFTER HE STEAM-CLEANED THE MH WITH BLEACH?!?!?!

LE plant -- plain and simple. Just like they planted his fingerprint in her bedroom!

[bvw]

Well, a psychiatrist saved my life back when I was twenty -- I had a near fatal illness, it was ascribed for lack of proper diagnosis to being psychosomatic. The good shrink said no and actally made the correct diagnosis. Two months longer undiagnosed and I would have died -- almost did anyway. Very very close.

I appreciate the medical training, still the DSM is full of PC troubles.

[Yeti]

I do not agree that saying their grief is real translates into condoning their other behavior.

I'm with you on that one. I can see Brenda has been eaten up by something. There is one pic of her that fres would post from time to time that is a close-up face shot and I think I can really see something in her eyes there.

Not sure what it is, but its real -- whatever it is.

[Yeti]

but the gist of it was that either brenda or damon said layla had frequent nose bleeds..

Most of the recent blood in the house was from the dog. The VDs said it was because the dog bumped into Damon's leg really hard and got a nosebleed.

They said Danielle got nosebleeds alot, too.

[Ditter]

His fingerprint was found in her room? I thought they could not find any evidence of him having been in the Van Dam house? This is huge!

[Yeti]

Don't you think it's a little strange that both Danielle AND Layla were "subject to frequent nosebleeds?"

Yet another case where I should have read the whole thread before I started posting replies.

: )

[Yeti]

What I recall is the dog had a nosebleed "from running into Damon's leg" which just sounds bad, anyway you parse it.

That's two. : )

[Ditter]

When my dogs have run into things (the door, each other, etc.) they will sometimes bite their own tongue & bleed. Only in dogs that have been hit by cars have I seen nosebleeds.