Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C.

Real or not, I’m learning a crapload about Kenya.

3,461 posted on 08/02/2009 4:02:09 PM PDT by whattajoke (.)

And since they knew they would be a republic, they ordered blank forms with that on them.

Nice theory, now all we need is an example of a Government document with a Republic of Kenya letterhead during the Dec 1963-Dec 1964 Dominion interregnum.

If this were some document we didn't like, we'd cry forgery over this one point. Until this is cleared up, we should treat this document with that wary suspicion that greets wet dogs.

3,462 posted on 08/02/2009 4:02:17 PM PDT by Plutarch

I've been looking at some old newspapers and there is a reference to the republic of Kenya in the Nevada Journal June, 1964 and here is one from this Oswego, NY newspaper from Nov. 1963-

the date

3,463 posted on 08/02/2009 4:02:33 PM PDT by RubyR

I heard Rush talking about it on Friday — he was referencing Andrew McCarthy’s piece in NRO — but curiously, when I went to his transcripts to find it for a post I was working on (http://RadioPatriot.blogspot.com), it wasn’t included. Very curious.

3,464 posted on 08/02/2009 4:02:46 PM PDT by patriotgal1787 ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke)

A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here. (Please save & cache the recording)

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
Don't click through the link to utube on WND but rather listen to the recording on site. The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts. (be sure to save & cache this if you know how--because obama's people are actively hunting this stuff down)

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.

Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.

Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

In July 2009 a Ghanian newspapersays of Obama that ""For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," The American Thinker explains here why Obama's short form released by fightthesmears is not sufficient for Hawaii. There is evidence to suggest that the home named in the newspaper archived article as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by a couple not Obama's parents. Even the Honalulu Advertiser has a different address of record for Obama's father than the one listed newspaper birth listing. The hospital where Obama claims he was born--refuses to either confirm or deny that he was in fact born there--and that despite the fact that Obama has said he was born there in writing--and presented the hospital a memo to that effect...right after he was elected. What's more newspaper accounts of his birth place him in other hospitals around Hawaii. None of these will comment either.

Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

This post does a very very good job of showing how the information from kenya hawaii, citizenship rules, and presidential"natural born" citizenship rules fit together. It also shows how Hawaii is pretty steadily changing the rules of the game to fit the O team's narrative. Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.

of note

On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to “recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen.” The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCain’s parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskill’s resolution thus serves no purpose – except that language is included to try and provide a “blanket cover” for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]

301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844

303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511

Obama's Senate efforts to airbrush his past were augmented by his top Intelligence Advisor in March 2008. Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach. Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March [2008] for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies. During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information. In this video of Obama's reaction to the break in...he says twice that his reason for being concerned about the matter is not that he is concerned about what the records may reveal about himself...but rather etc. One denial is ok. Two denials in short order is of a piece with the other anomolies in his record. Especially since it seems Obama's people instigated the break in.

3,465 posted on 08/02/2009 4:02:59 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)

To: Jacksonian Grouch

See http://www.etypewriters.com/history.htm.

It’s a monospace font. In those days, it was called “Pica” and I believe it became “Courier” later on. It looks very similar to today’s Courier. The type was produced most certainly with a ribbon, not a film cartridge. The latter left a perfectly even letter image. Darker and lighter areas mean inked ribbons that ran from one spool to another.

3,466 posted on 08/02/2009 4:03:04 PM PDT by Technical Editor

To: humblegunner

Seems we have a few FReepers who just delight in trying to make Orly look bad- everything from making fun of her accent to accusing her of incompetence.

At least she’s out there in the trenches 24/7 hitting the Marxist/Muslim with everything she can find
insteading of preaching to the choir and bloviating.

Dr. O has almost singlehandedly brought Obongo’s inelgibility to U.S and worldwide attention.

3,467 posted on 08/02/2009 4:03:16 PM PDT by patriot08

Good info, thanks. That clears things up.

3,468 posted on 08/02/2009 4:03:35 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Iran Azadi!)

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"

Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.

Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the cached version.) Here is a better cached versionHere's a third Kindly cache these too.

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya? Nope. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so.(However, as of july 2009--eight months after the election-- Hawaii changed their rules so as to make the short form legal.There is even evidence to suggest the online "certification of live birth"--ie not a birth certificate--obama presented... was a forgery. See the press conference out take here.

Its not a difficult issue to understand. Helen Thomas in a subsequent white house question and answer seemed to suggest that she understood that there was a constitutional question involved.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts.

Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

Even the liberal LA Times on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".

A bill in the US congress with 10 backers currently -- calls for future presidential candidates to be required to show a birth certificate.

The library of congress has recently started including the Obama File in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises. The Obama File holds that Obama's birth certificate as presented online is bogus.

Now this story is starting to change. Some liberals in an open acknowledgement of Obama's problems are starting to call for a change in the constitution.Liberal defenders of Obama in full retreat on Birth CertificateNow The LA Times Wants To Amend the Constitution Rather Than Have Obama Show His Birth Certificate. (Translation: Yeah he’s not a Natural Born Citizen — As the Constitution Requires.)

3,469 posted on 08/02/2009 4:03:42 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)

The ball is in Hussein's court.

3,470 posted on 08/02/2009 4:03:51 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)

“How do you know that. Could have been a retread.”

Because I read the comments! Sheesh!

3,471 posted on 08/02/2009 4:03:54 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)

To: circumbendibus

Thanks. Make sure the right folks file that away for later. Note the Dr is dead. This is the first time I had seen a Dr identified.

Question for anyone: Many years ago I was researching my Irish Jacobite ancestors, I spent a lot of time in the French archives at St Germain, FR. Therefore, does anyone know if BCs for foreign born “British” citizens are also crossed filed in the British archives as well as the country of birth? Just curious?

3,472 posted on 08/02/2009 4:04:06 PM PDT by luckybogey

To: RVN Airplane Driver

For believing nonsense and being taken for a ride? Or is that what it took you to figure out that you are being taken for a ride? Seriously, box of rox up in them lox capy?

3,473 posted on 08/02/2009 4:04:06 PM PDT by Porterville ( I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum)

They do show one or two. One of them is a certification on the same day (Feb. 17, 1964) of a birth in August, 1961 (Aug. 9 or something). They are strikingly similar—same officials, similar page locations in the official book etc.

They=WND? Can you provide a link? I didn't see the similar items they claim to have.

3,474 posted on 08/02/2009 4:05:05 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ("Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.")

Is there some law saying this can’t be a different copy?

Yes. There are federal laws against using forged birth certificates to accomplish one's objectives.

3,475 posted on 08/02/2009 4:05:12 PM PDT by LucyT

Hahahahahaah!!

You posted:

You think Biden is reading this thread and hoping?
>>> He can’t find the internet “number.”

3,476 posted on 08/02/2009 4:06:44 PM PDT by Islam=Murder (Obama is the new OJ. Hey Omoslem, getting nervous yet?)

See post 3407. It clears up the confusion I had concerning the 1964/Republic of Kenya thing. Next time try replying with information instead of automatically assuming anyone with a question is a DUer.

3,477 posted on 08/02/2009 4:06:49 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Iran Azadi!)

“What about the fact that the address listed as their residence in the birth announcement,belonged to another family, who lived in it from the 50’s until 2008 ? That’s a weird inconsistency.”

I am not well versed on this aspect but FWIW there was a post on FR recently that pointed out something to the effect that there was a servants’ house on the property that could be the place.

3,478 posted on 08/02/2009 4:06:56 PM PDT by 4FreeSpeach

Then the judge will probably turn her down anyway because she doesn’t have an original paper copy.

No one gets the original, you can only get a certified copy, attesting that the original exists and is on file with the proper office, Recorder's or Registrar's office ie

3,479 posted on 08/02/2009 4:07:11 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)

To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I think somewhere there is a thread that says Obama’s sister born in Africa also has a COLB from Hawaii....

I've seen this claim several places, but it appears to come from techdude, who was long since discredited. If you have additional information, I'd like to see it.

3,480 posted on 08/02/2009 4:07:45 PM PDT by sometime lurker

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