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America’s Descent Into the Third World
Chronicles Magazine ^ | Monday, July 25, 2005 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 07/27/2005 6:21:50 AM PDT by A. Pole

The June payroll jobs report did not receive much attention due to the July 4 holiday, but the depressing 21st century job performance of the U.S. economy continues unabated.

Only 144,000 private sector jobs were created, each one of which was in domestic services.

Fifty-six thousand jobs were created in professional and business services, about half of which are in administrative and waste services.

Thirty-eight thousand jobs were created in education and health services, almost all of which are in health care and social assistance.

Nineteen thousand jobs were created in leisure and hospitality, almost all of which are waitresses and bartenders.

Membership associations and organizations created 10,000 jobs, and repair and maintenance created 4,000 jobs.

Financial activities created 16,000 jobs.

This most certainly is not the labor market profile of a First World country, much less a superpower.

Where are the jobs for this year’s crop of engineering and science graduates?

U.S. manufacturing lost another 24,000 jobs in June. A country that doesn’t manufacture doesn’t need many engineers. And the few engineering jobs available go to foreigners.

Readers have sent me employment listings from U.S. software development firms. The listings are discriminatory against American citizens. One ad from a company in New Jersey that is a developer for many companies, including Oracle, specifies that the applicant must have a TN visa.

A TN or Trade NAFTA visa is what is given to Mexicans and Canadians who are willing to work in the United States at below prevailing wages.

Another ad from a software consulting company based in Omaha, Neb., specifies it wants software engineers who are H-1B transferees. What this means is that the firm is advertising for foreigners already in the United States who have H-1B work visas.

The reason the U.S. firms specify that they have employment opportunities only for foreigners who hold work visas is because the foreigners will work for less than the prevailing U.S. salary.

Gentle reader, when you read allegations that there is a shortage of engineers in America, necessitating the importation of foreigners to do the work, you are reading a bald-faced lie. If there were a shortage of American engineers, employers would not word their job listings to read that no American need apply and that they are offering jobs only to foreigners holding work visas.

What kind of country gives preference to foreigners over its own engineering graduates?

What kind of country destroys the job market for its own citizens?

How much longer will parents shell out $100,000 for a college education for a son or daughter who ends up employed as a bartender, waitress or temp?


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To: superiorslots
It all comes down to the bottom line... profit.

Because to the American consumer, the bottom line is a cheaper product.

101 posted on 07/27/2005 8:36:00 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: jackbenimble
For some reason they don't carry many of these goods in Walmart or anywhere else I shop.

Most of the items you buy on a day-to-day basis are cheap and low-tech. The American manufacturing sector has mostly advanced beyond Nike t-shirts and kid's toys. Instead, American workers are building high-tech, high value-added items such as BMW's, 747's and medical devices.

What kind of manufacturing industry do you want in this county, one that makes plastic knick-knacks or one that makes intercontinental jets?

If we make so much how come it is almost impossible to find anything American made to buy?

You're making a common mistake, I think. You look at the total number of items you buy versus the total value of such items. The average American buys many more Chinese made t-shirts every year than they do Ford trucks made in Kentucky. Yet, the Ford truck is worth many times more than the Chinese-made goods they bought.

The majority of the value of the goods I bought last year were made in the US.

102 posted on 07/27/2005 8:39:30 AM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: Sam the Sham
Hurray for Brainless Cheerleading!

YOU-ES-EI! YOU-ES-EI! NUMBAH WON!

103 posted on 07/27/2005 8:39:33 AM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Modernman
" There is a serious surge of demand for bullets due to the Iraq war"

There is only one bullet plant left, and it runs 24/7. And it's not like the need for bullets came as a big surprise. We just can't build bullets any more, to high tech for us dumb Americans, like yall say, Americans are just lazy bums, good enough to die in war but not good enough for a descent job, got to give those to those to the working Chinesse, of Japanese of Indians.

104 posted on 07/27/2005 8:40:12 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Alberta's Child
I've said for a long time now that a substantial portion of today's college students are not really cut out for the rigors of higher education.

Unfortunately, there's enormous pressure on young people based on the maxim that EVERYONE has to go to college. The only acceptable reason not to go is because you don't have the money.

105 posted on 07/27/2005 8:40:16 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: jpsb; GOP_1900AD; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; Alamo-Girl; JohnHuang2; buffyt; doug from upland; ...
She could not possibly be worst then Bush, the Bush presidency makes the Clinton presidency look good.

Ah, Yes she could!

Don't forget so soon just how inimical to defense she and her husband, and Gore and Kerry were. Remember who it was who took Chinese money and transferred crucial technology to them? Who was it who allowed Los Alamos to become a hive of Chinese infestation?

Under a President Hillary, what little GWB is doing to promote military procurement for the future would be terminated. Forget about NMD. Forget about getting deployments of any F-22's, JSF F-35's, or Virginia-class attack subs, or even the LCS Littoral Combat Ship. At least GWB is doing a little (albeit not enough, and is manifestly a conflicted fellow, see below). She would slash the forces steeply, just as her fellow communist, John Kerry would have, and don't ever forget...Bill Clinton tried to further cut in 1998-99, but was stopped by some GOP Congressmen with some spine. They only lose their spine when the White House is supposedly held by one of our own.

BTW: The only time GWB ever, ever, ever threatens a veto is when Congress tries to increase U.S. production of defense assets, or preserve the defense assets we have. He threatened a veto over Duncan Hunter's simple 65% domestic content bill, and he just again threatened a veto over a bill that would delay the BRAC base closing decisions until after the War on Terror was over...

GWB also apparently warned Donald Rumsfeld to follow his orders (he was legimimately footdragging) and dismantle all our 100 MX missiles or be fired. (Meanwhile, the Russians are keeping 95% of their SS-18's operationally deployed until 2017). The expense of GWB's unilateral disarmement of our land and air based strategic weaponry (half of our B-1Bs's were also decommissioned thoughtlessly by him) is running in excess of $4.5 billion annually...squandering preciously scarce DOD monetary resources...to produce LESS security!

In contrast, it would only have cost $1 billion or so just to keep these strategic weapons systems active and viable. What kind of a "Business Man" makes these kind of economic decisions? He is also going to cut out over the next decade about 25 attack submarines...which we couldn't afford to rebuild!

So we have one President (the current one) who is, on Defense, perhaps at best a "C" or a "D" student. Hillary would not even get an "F" but be given an Incomplete and expelled from school for truancy, and egging the Principal's car.

Some choice. Sigh.

106 posted on 07/27/2005 8:40:42 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
Cut the "fun" stuff out and I'll bet you'd bring down the cost as well.

I doubt it. Costs of college have gone up due to the easy availability of government-backed financial aid.

107 posted on 07/27/2005 8:41:22 AM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: Neoliberalnot
My own son flunked out of an engineering program and he was taught from day 1 the value of education

Neo,

Not everyone is suitable for college and it's wrong for every single parent to push every single kid into going. We've got too much of that and that's why the drop out rates are so high. As long as your son can make a good living doing whatever he does, let him be.

108 posted on 07/27/2005 8:45:15 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
Because to the American consumer, the bottom line is a cheaper product.

Well, FWIW, this is one consumer for whom this bromide isn't necessarily true. I'm willing to look at quality and reliability as more important than cheap, preferably made here rather than abroad. Saving a few pennies here and there isn't always the best way to go.

109 posted on 07/27/2005 8:46:58 AM PDT by chimera
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To: Modernman

"There is a serious surge of demand for bullets due to the Iraq war. Bullet manufacturers in this country don't sit around with spare manufacturing capacity just in case a war breaks out."

And if war is with China? Would the Chinese gladly sell us bullets to shoot them with?


110 posted on 07/27/2005 8:47:01 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: jpsb
There is only one bullet plant left, and it runs 24/7.

Supply and demand. If not for the Iraq war, that plant probably covered much of the demand for bullets in this country.

And it's not like the need for bullets came as a big surprise.

What do you propose manufacturers do? Make a large capital investment in a new ammo plant to make bullets for a war that already seems to be ramping down?

We just can't build bullets any more, to high tech for us dumb Americans, like yall say,

More likely, bullets are too low-tech to be worth investing capital into. Plus, the market for ammo is pretty steady, except for occasional fluctuations like the Iraq war. It's not really a growth industry, so it is not surprising that American companies aren't eager to invest money into ammo plants.

111 posted on 07/27/2005 8:47:36 AM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: Paul Ross

Well when I went to University in the US just a few years ago I noticed that especially Indians were much brighter than the American students. I as a Norwegian was an average student in math. Another interesting fact that you wrote was that they barely knew the language. That means that they have to work harder and be smarter to get the same scores, but they did better. I know since I studyed in the US and know how language barriers makes thing harder. Since I am from Europe it is not that big a deal, but for other people from China it must be very hard.


112 posted on 07/27/2005 8:50:13 AM PDT by tomjohn77
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To: Maria S; iconoclast
"I didn't realize I gave the impression that I "relish" sacrificing anyone!... Besides, who wants to bother those spoiled little Americans, just out of college, with their brains full of liberal mush...many of them are too busy wandering the malls and still trying "to find themselves". "

Nope, no bias there. I'm sure you don't relish passing over Americans.
113 posted on 07/27/2005 8:51:04 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: brownsfan
And if war is with China? Would the Chinese gladly sell us bullets to shoot them with?

Well, if we get involved in a land war with China, our government is dumber than I think they are.

However, in such a scenario, we'd buy bullets from a third party. India, perhaps. Or the government would pay a whole lot of money to quickly set up ammo manufacturers.

What's your solution to the supposed bullet-deficit in this country?

114 posted on 07/27/2005 8:51:35 AM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: tomjohn77

You dont have to speak english to solve a differential equation.


115 posted on 07/27/2005 8:52:02 AM PDT by nairBResal
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To: A. Pole

The fact of the matter is, there are still plenty of jobs available, the problem is that the variety of skills needed is insane.

I work in computers, mostly web programming. When I got out of college in 99, The job I have now paid close to 100k (as reported to me by people I work with who were here then).

Safe to say it doesn't pay that now.

Part of this has to do with the normal tugs and pulls of supply and demand, demand is lower while supply is higher, but part of it has to do with what is expected of the employee.

Granted, I can only speak to my sector of the computer industry, but right now, in order to be employed as a web developer you need to be an expert in XHTML, CSS, Javascript and XML, and you need to be proficient in either Java, .NET, C++, PHP or Perl, on top of that you need database skills.

Sufficed to say, i am studying for both my PMP and my SCJD.


116 posted on 07/27/2005 8:52:15 AM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Neoliberalnot
I sympathize -- I've had a few kid issues of my own.

Sometimes parents fail the kids, and sometimes the kids fail themselves.

However, I've also known a lot of kids who have a good deal w/ school and their parents, blow it, struggle in the "real world", and then fight their way back to school or other path to success on their own.

I also hear you about peers and media outlets, but in the end I'm a big believer in personal responsibility. As you say, he made his choice.

Seeing money you hoarded at a personal cost to you and your wife squandered has to be very painful. You did the right thing and sometimes it doesn't work out. I hope that one day your son acquires wisdom and maturity and will understand your hurt.

117 posted on 07/27/2005 8:53:07 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W)
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To: Modernman
There is a serious surge of demand for bullets due to the Iraq war.

Man, you ARE a piece of work!

Who supplied our bullets during WW II?

Who the hell PLANNED this "War"?

BTW, your supercilious answer to my question about our being in a bind for putting armor on Iraq bound vehicles demands a second shot at a reply.

Your suggestion that the problem arose out of the "specialized" nature of the work is hilarious.

Our GI's improvised in the field to accomplish this work themselves in a pitifully sad attempt to make up for the failure of the DOD and the sad state of our mfg capacity.

Oh, and did you catch today's latest word out of the Ministry of Propaganda"?

The War on Terror is officially over.

We are now engaged in "a global struggle against violent extremism" rather than "the global war on terror," which had been the catchphrase of choice.

118 posted on 07/27/2005 8:57:02 AM PDT by iconoclast ( "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive")
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To: frgoff
The best and brightest U.S.-born students will never have a problem getting good paying work in this country.

Bingo-bango. If you're having trouble finding a good-paying job, look at yourself first before blaming immigrants, democrats, republicans, the chinese, the indians, osama, global warming, global cooling, free masons, etc.

I've done some design work on magazines in the field of polymer engineering and nuclear physics. It's pathetic the ads that get placed in these magazines seeking to drum up interest in these fields among students with scholarship offers, etc. On the flip side, when you read the list of those who get accepted, or see pictures of the classes, they are almost always about 70% Asians--in American and European institutions.

Sadly, I think the West is approaching intellectual and scientific bankruptcy at an extremely rapid rate. And I say this as someone who was a liberal arts major myself with no particular aptitude for math and science. I intend to try to encourage my own children to develop an interest in the hard sciences.

I place the blame for this decline primarily upon the public school system which has been totally eviscerated by the cultural marxists who run it. Homeschooling may be the only hope for saving this country.
119 posted on 07/27/2005 8:58:20 AM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: Modernman

"What's your solution to the supposed bullet-deficit in this country?"

Blasphamy is my solution, (at least in the eyes of a free marketeer).

The #1 job of the government is national defense. If the government can't defend us, it's failing. Relying on outside agents for basic military supplies is not providing for the national defense.
In the case of bullets, and other military essentials, subsidize. If capacity exceeds production requirements, "mothball" the capacity, don't scrap it, or sell it to China, (India, Singapore, etc).


120 posted on 07/27/2005 8:59:23 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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