Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
You're very welcome. I am at a time in my life where I await the middle of the night call about either mom or dad.
That is an unfair representation of this case of Sun. He was born with a syndrome that made his rib cage way too small for his developing lungs to work properly. He was on a ventillator, had no hope period. He was put on a ventillator shortly after birth, was in pain, and was doomed to die shortly from the process of growth, if not from pneumonia or other disease. His ribs were too small for his lungs.
It didn't have to do with feeding tube costs. It had to do that he was born dying.
Sun Hudson case wasn't about a feeding tube, it was about a baby with a rare form of dwarfism. The baby was on a respirator, because of the skeletal dysplasia. The growth of the skeleton didn't keep up with the lungs, so the rib cage was restricting the lungs. There is no room for the lungs to grow, so babies with this deformity suffocate as the lung capacity can't keep up with the needs of the body, hence the need for the respirator. The skull also impinges upon the brain in these cases.
At that moment, don't forget to pray for yourself...for strength.
You are right about that. I was in the room when my mom died of a coronary aneurysm we didn't know about. I flashed back on that scene multple times a day for a year...The hospital tried to revive her cause they didn't know what had happened, and couldn't find the defibrillator for the unit she was on...My dad had gone home for the night and got back to the hospital in record time...but I was basically alone while they worked on her until they gave up.
Not easy memories.
About 20 minutes ago on Fox interview #6,723,501.
My mother died of liver cancer that had unknowingly metastized from the colon cancer that she thought was all gone after surgery 4 years before. Before she died, it had spread to her lungs and her spine.
She died at home, thanks to the hospice nurses who came daily. She had her own DNR, but we never needed it.
The facts about Sun are irrelevent. He's being used to push a greater cause. What, I'm not sure. But my guess it's to somehow discredit the Schindlers. The new villians.
Please stop posting inaccuries.
I don't know what that number means
And I saw them on the news .. they didn't mention anything about bleeding eyes
Tell me one inaccuracy I've posted and I'll be happy to stop. I'll wait.
Where was Randall terry on March 15th, when Sun's plug was pulled? Where was Jesse?
I don't want the government to 'help' me in this matter.
The bleeding eyes comment was made on a previous interview days ago. The number is a suggestion that there have been a plethora of interviews.
I don't recall hearing her father say that a couple days ago either
Do you have a link?
"As she entered her second week without the tube that sustained her life for 15 years, dehydration took its toll on the 41-year-old woman. Her tongue and eyes were bleeding and her skin was flaking off, said Barbara Weller (search), the Schindlers' attorney."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151571,00.html
There was no money, donor lists or face-time to be had in those instances. Sorry to be cynical.
Mum's metastasis was right where the ascending colon bends to the transverse colon, directly under the liver.
please add my name to your somewhat distinguished list ...
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