Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
I'm not the one scrambling to find euphemisms and justifications for murder. Call me what you will, the truth won't change.
No, you're the one using murder and other hyperbolic euphemisms to support your irrational position. I didn't call you anything, but I do think you appear foolish.
I wonder if there is any dissent among the medical community regarding his ability to develop greater--i.e. sufficient--lung capacity.
Assuming it's true?
Did you miss the link posted yesterday on the web site the Schindlers run. Last few sentences CONFIRM it's true.
And does it depend on how they use the $100/video they sell of their daughter dying in bed? No. It's still disgusting.
When did her father say that?
I'm willing to bear your opinion that I look foolish. I disagree entirely, finding that those trying to justify this murder - and that is what it is, given that starvation is too cruel to fit the definition of euthanasia - look like far worse than mere fools.
There is no dissent that I have read. The mother received no prenatal care and the child had a rare and always fatal form of dwarfish. She selfishly prolonged his life while refusing to acknowledge that he would never live to see his first birthday regardless of any and all heroic measures. He was slowly suffocating on a ventilator.
'To murder' is unlawful. To insist this is murder is hyperbole. I wouldn't be so opposed if you said 'to kill', but thats not right either. She is lawfully being allowed to die. May she rest in peace.
UPDATE:
Court rejects new hearing for Schindlers.
Well, I don't believe there is any moral requirement for heroic measures that only prolong the process of imminent death.
I signed my own mother's DNR (to spare my father the duty) when she lay dying from stage four metastatic colon cancer (which overran her liver in a matter of weeks!). Signing that form was a moment I will never forget.
Even then, she was given hydration, nutrition and of course pain management.
Just heard that.
surprise, surprise....not!
I knew how they were going to rule when I heard the 'breaking news' last night.
I guess you didn't go to the Schindler web site; it was linked to the thread last night and the last few sentences clearly detail that the video is definitely for sale.
Did you ever find out what they were going for this time Peach? I never saw the filing.
If any human being were subject to the same restraint as Terri Schiavo - complete denial of food and water - then you too would starve and die, just as she is. Under those circumstances I bet there would be no doubt in your mind that what was happening to you was murder.
I'm sorry to learn that. My mother and I had to make some hard decisions when my grandmother had the last in her series of strokes. It's not easy.
Mother is a black woman, poor,
couldn't afford feeding tube care,
and hospital pulled the tube,
against mother's wishes.
Public at large didn't care.
Thanks.
Losing a parent is the way of the world, but when it happens, that axiom is cold comfort.
Please don't misrepresent the Sun Hudson case. There is an article that is hotlinked up the thread. The child's care and the mother's legal expenses were paid for by the hospital. The issue was entirely different with this child.
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