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MANIFESTO OF THE WPPFF/WILD TURKEYS/COALITION OF THE SANE
Me. | 29MARCH05 | Long Cut

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut

We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:

1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.

2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.

3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.

4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.

5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.

6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.

7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.

8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.

The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.

We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.

We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.

If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.

We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.

Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.

Let the discussion begin!

Signed,

The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: antifreepers; antimilitary; bloodlust; cary; clownposse; du; eugenics; euthanasia; forcedexit; moles; murder; nazi; singer; trolls; wildturkeys; wppff; zot
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To: cyncooper

What are "pod people?"


1,521 posted on 03/30/2005 11:22:40 AM PST by Petronski (If Reichskanzler Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: Petronski

What I call freepers who appear to have been taken over by aliens.

:)


1,522 posted on 03/30/2005 11:24:29 AM PST by cyncooper (I see pod people)
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To: RebelBanker

Bookmark ping


1,523 posted on 03/30/2005 11:26:37 AM PST by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: Petronski
Well that's curious. Since it appears that you have staked out an absolute position in the Schiavo case, I assumed you based that position on an analysis of comparative cases.

But perhaps I am operating under a misapprehension. Do you view the removal of the feeding tube in Ms. Schiavo's case as "execution of the disabled?"
1,524 posted on 03/30/2005 11:26:39 AM PST by atlaw
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To: atlaw

She's not dying, except for the starvation and dehydration. She's a severely disabled woman who is being killed by court order.

Yes.


1,525 posted on 03/30/2005 11:31:24 AM PST by Petronski (If Reichskanzler Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: EveningStar; Annie03
EveningStar-- you asked if this had been verified. I doubted the source (MSNBC) since no photos or videos are allowed of Terri.

Annie03-- you clarified that "I heard about it yesterday. What I heard was you get the video for a $100 donation, or for free with the promise you would share it with others and work on behalf of saving her life."

Thanks much for the reasoned clarification. Very refreshing compared with the emotionally charged way this information was presented.
1,526 posted on 03/30/2005 11:37:58 AM PST by green pastures
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To: Petronski

So by this reasoning, would you agree that Sun Hudson was not dying except for removal of the respirator, and that Sun Hudson was a severely disabled person who was killed by administrative order?


1,527 posted on 03/30/2005 11:44:01 AM PST by atlaw
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To: Mo1
Is there a link pointing out who is funding Felo's?

Felos isn't getting paid in the Schiavo case, and neither are any of the other lawyers at this point - I think the scumbag ACLU provided lawyers for free, as they often do. When Terri Schiavo dies, her estate will be in debt.

There is far more money pouring in to the Schindlers - all the pro-life groups are raising tons of money for them - and very little going to the other side. Considering who keeps prevailing in the various courts, it's weird because usually tons of money can buy justice...

1,528 posted on 03/30/2005 11:44:41 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (Sure you can trust the government... just ask an Indian...)
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To: atlaw

I don't know the Sun Hudson case, that's why I asked.


1,529 posted on 03/30/2005 11:45:34 AM PST by Petronski (If Reichskanzler Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: Petronski

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:X4ScpImbI68J:www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3084934+sun+hudson&hl=en


1,530 posted on 03/30/2005 11:49:04 AM PST by EllaMinnow
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To: Chad Fairbanks
There is far more money pouring in to the Schindlers - all the pro-life groups are raising tons of money for them - and very little going to the other side. Considering who keeps prevailing in the various courts, it's weird because usually tons of money can buy justice...

You honestly believe the left is not funding this and not throwing in all kinds of money??

You honestly believe the left is not funding the expenses for Felos and the ACLU???

If so .. then I suppose you have a lot more faith in the left then I do

1,531 posted on 03/30/2005 11:51:55 AM PST by Mo1
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To: Mo1

Sorry I took so long to get back to you. I'm at work and this will be my last post for a while. Don't want to be unemployed.
Felos has said he is now working for free. There have been rumors that the ACLU is helping out but they have never said so; and that is totally unlike them. I've tried to find links to this before on Google and elsewhere but never found anything specific. I haven't had time to look recently. The site about the Schindlers' funding was posted by some one else.


1,532 posted on 03/30/2005 11:57:14 AM PST by unbalanced but fair
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To: EllaMinnow; atlaw

Was there any dispute about Sun's diagnosis? Was there any example of someone recovering from his condition? Was Sun being sustained only by food and water? I might have more questions, but those are obvious ones right now.


1,533 posted on 03/30/2005 11:59:11 AM PST by Petronski (If Reichskanzler Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: unbalanced but fair
Felos has said he is now working for free

He may be working for free .. but the expenses are not free

I don't want to get you in trouble at work and thank you for the response

1,534 posted on 03/30/2005 12:00:18 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Mo1
If so .. then I suppose you have a lot more faith in the left then I do

Some folks here seem to have a great deal of faith in the left: the ones praising Jesse Jackson and Bill Clinton for their statements in purported support for the Schindlers, for starters.

1,535 posted on 03/30/2005 12:03:01 PM PST by mountaineer
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To: Steel Wolf
Okay, executing the disabled is very Nazi behavior. So is marching, speaking German, and visiting France. (You like sauerkraut, huh? You know... the Nazis also like sauerkraut...) Come on, there must be more to your argument than that

I don't like sauerkraut, but if you feed me enough whiskey I just might want to invade France /sarcasm.

Ok, shameless use of a stereotype, but it is in the Smokey back room!

1,536 posted on 03/30/2005 12:03:50 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Petronski

He was on a ventilator, but his mother thought that his lungs would further develop and he would outgrow the need for it. The doctors disagreed.


1,537 posted on 03/30/2005 12:05:04 PM PST by EllaMinnow
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To: mountaineer
Some folks here seem to have a great deal of faith in the left: the ones praising Jesse Jackson and Bill Clinton for their statements in purported support for the Schindlers, for starters.

Well .. I don't have alot of faith in those two

I agree they are media/camera hogs

But I have to admit that this shows that Terri's case goes across party lines with the American People

1,538 posted on 03/30/2005 12:06:02 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Just caught a segment of Schindler's update on Terri.

He seemed positive about her appearance. I wonder what happened to the bleeding eyes etc?

1,539 posted on 03/30/2005 12:08:29 PM PST by verity (A mindset is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: Steel Wolf
Oh, and I forgot to say while my German is pretty bad, I do like French wine.

Say, you know I heard Paris is nice this time of year, and I have some friend in Ireland that would probably help out if we pay them in beer... You know we could take over France by lunch time tomorrow!
1,540 posted on 03/30/2005 12:09:19 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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