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I am not on my computer and I can't remember my password or which e-mail I used to join and I don't know the passwords to most of my e-mails.
So I decided to make a new account for the time I will be away from my computer.
Guardian (UK) talk board: "Is it time to assasinate George Dubya Bush?
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How many freepers does it take to change a light bulb?
Posted on 10/23/2003 12:26 PM CDT by Sir Gawain
How many freepers does it take to change a light bulb?
1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs
27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs
53 to flame the spell checkers
41 to correct spelling/grammar flames
6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ...
another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive
2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"
15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct
156 to email the moderators complaining that they are in violation of their "acceptable use policy"
109 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum
111 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum
306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty
27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs
14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's
12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy
4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ
44 to ask what is a "FAQ"
4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"
143 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs"
1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again
Yeah it's been posted before, but the other threads are locked, and they had old stuff about Keyes, Buchanan etc.
So here is the new one. Add your own. Have fun.
1 posted on 10/23/2003 12:26 PM CDT by Sir Gawain
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yee haw
2 posted on 10/23/2003 12:26 PM CDT by Sir Gawain
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No need to change the light bulb. After Y2K, there won't be any electricity.
3 posted on 10/23/2003 12:27 PM CDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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15 to blame Clinton for the light bulb going out.
4 posted on 10/23/2003 12:27 PM CDT by Mark Felton (All liberty flows from the barrel of a gun)
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I wish I was around back then. I bet those threads were fun.
5 posted on 10/23/2003 12:27 PM CDT by Sir Gawain
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4 people to tell you it's been previously posted.
6 posted on 10/23/2003 12:28 PM CDT by Catspaw
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Already posted here
7 posted on 10/23/2003 12:28 PM CDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs: 7-0 baby)
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Check my bookmarks
8 posted on 10/23/2003 12:29 PM CDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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1 resident cut and paster who recycles the same material every thread
1 bookseller who peddles his wares on every post
9 posted on 10/23/2003 12:29 PM CDT by stainlessbanner
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At least one to mention the "lite" bulb is made of low-fat cheese and that it's not logged in properly- which of course is series.
10 posted on 10/23/2003 12:29 PM CDT by Lil'freeper
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17 to blame the WOD as responsible for the problem with the light bulb.
11 posted on 10/23/2003 12:29 PM CDT by asformeandformyhouse (If it's not a baby, then you're not pregnant.)
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13 to tell you candles should be in all well-prepared households in the event of a lightbulb burnout.
12 posted on 10/23/2003 12:30 PM CDT by Sally'sConcerns (It's painless to be a monthly donor!)
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Greenspan is inflating the price of light bulbs. Soon all of our light bulbs will be manufactured in China. I think light bulbs should be priced in nothing but gold.
13 posted on 10/23/2003 12:30 PM CDT by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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18 demanding pictures of light bulbs be posted...
14 posted on 10/23/2003 12:31 PM CDT by danneskjold
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One post showing a picture of a light bulb and a picture of someone who resembles a light bulb.
15 posted on 10/23/2003 12:31 PM CDT by meowmeow
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And tech support for changing light bulbs is being outsourced to India.
16 posted on 10/23/2003 12:31 PM CDT by Lil'freeper
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And 1 to post "GOTTA SEE THIS, LIGHTBULBS BEING CHANGED" in Breaking News ... ;-)
17 posted on 10/23/2003 12:31 PM CDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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...and 5 people posting that they do not use light bulbs...only candles.
18 posted on 10/23/2003 12:31 PM CDT by mystery-ak (Mike wishes to express his gratitude for all the birthday wishes..he was very touched..thanks)
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8 people to post pics of Anna Kournikova while making suggestions as to what she should wear while changing the light bulb.
19 posted on 10/23/2003 12:32 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ...
Neither. It is "light bub".
20 posted on 10/23/2003 12:32 PM CDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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ROFL!
8 to complain that the post was placed in Breaking News.
1 to say it's Bush's fault.
18 to uncover that guy as a DU Troll, where they eat light bulbs out of sheer confusion.
4 to ask where the picture of Ann Coulter is.
19 to post identical pictures of Ann Coulter.
3 to lament that in the old days of FR, we would have changed the light bulb and gotten on with our lives.
21 posted on 10/23/2003 12:32 PM CDT by bootless (Never Forget)
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12 to tell us which bulbs are made in France, Canada, or Germany to ensure that we boycott them.
22 posted on 10/23/2003 12:32 PM CDT by HEY4QDEMS
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15 Commenting on how changing a light bulb is both series and hugh
another 15 to add that All Your Light Bulb Are Belong to Us
23 posted on 10/23/2003 12:33 PM CDT by new cruelty
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You rang?
24 posted on 10/23/2003 12:33 PM CDT by TheBigB (Remember ladies...spandex is a privilege, not a right.)
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Here's the original:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38e913210e1f.htm
25 posted on 10/23/2003 12:33 PM CDT by Howlin
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77 Waiting for the first mention of Ann Coulter, so they may be first to paste a picture.
26 posted on 10/23/2003 12:33 PM CDT by Grit (Tolerance for all but the intolerant...and those who tolerate intolerance etc etc)
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And tech support for changing light bulbs is being outsourced to India.
And the damn illegals are changing light bulbs at half the price of American workers!!
27 posted on 10/23/2003 12:33 PM CDT by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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3 claiming they have an email from Ted Nugent on how to change a light bulb...
28 posted on 10/23/2003 12:33 PM CDT by danneskjold
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That isn't her best outfit.
29 posted on 10/23/2003 12:34 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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1 to whine that his vanity post got exiled to General Interest while yours gets to stay in News/Activism.
30 posted on 10/23/2003 12:34 PM CDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs: 7-0 baby)
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And a bunch of posters to whine about it.
31 posted on 10/23/2003 12:34 PM CDT by Consort
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At least 5 or 6 who will claim the burned-out bulb is Steve Bartman's fault.
32 posted on 10/23/2003 12:34 PM CDT by TheBigB (Remember ladies...spandex is a privilege, not a right.)
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15 to blame Clinton for the light bulb going out
But it was Clinton's fault.
33 posted on 10/23/2003 12:35 PM CDT by BostonianRightist ("Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness" -Thomas Paine)
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Woah. I posted on that thread, too. That's hugh!
34 posted on 10/23/2003 12:35 PM CDT by Lil'freeper
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No, but her -best- one is of course, the one she isn't wearing. ;)
35 posted on 10/23/2003 12:35 PM CDT by TheBigB (Remember ladies...spandex is a privilege, not a right.)
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The number seems a little low. It doesn't even count all the posts about moose and cheese.
36 posted on 10/23/2003 12:35 PM CDT by Snuffington
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My name is Philip, and i'm a Freepaholic
37 posted on 10/23/2003 12:35 PM CDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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77 Waiting for the first mention of Ann Coulter, so they may be first to paste a picture.
Meanwhile, all 77 of those nicks are aliases for the TARDshow....
38 posted on 10/23/2003 12:36 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine (freep those rattytatratatouilles but good)
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several to state that they would purchase the less popular light bulb out of principle, even if it meant their house would remain in darkness.
39 posted on 10/23/2003 12:36 PM CDT by proud American in Canada ("We are a peaceful people. Yet we are not a fragile people.")
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I have converted all my light bulbs to florescents, so I very rarely have to change them. Therefore, I am unqualified to participate in this thread.
40 posted on 10/23/2003 12:36 PM CDT by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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How would I know, I'm from Gray-"light's-out" California.
41 posted on 10/23/2003 12:36 PM CDT by onyx
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I know! I just read your post!
42 posted on 10/23/2003 12:36 PM CDT by Howlin
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30 to 40 Freepers who don't believe in light bulbs at all and instead post links to pseudo-scientific sites that claim alternate theories of light production.
43 posted on 10/23/2003 12:37 PM CDT by DoctorMichael (Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
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12 to point out that there is no right to light in the US Constitution...
44 posted on 10/23/2003 12:37 PM CDT by danneskjold
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16 to blame Clinton for the light bulb going out.
45 posted on 10/23/2003 12:37 PM CDT by Mark Felton (All liberty flows from the barrel of a gun)
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12 to haughtily proclaim that it wouldn't have burned out if it was a Mac.
46 posted on 10/23/2003 12:37 PM CDT by bootless (Never Forget)
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I guess I'm a sucker for light bulb threads. *sigh*
47 posted on 10/23/2003 12:37 PM CDT by Lil'freeper
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So what kind of gun does Ted Nugent say is best for shooting light bulbs?
48 posted on 10/23/2003 12:38 PM CDT by brbethke
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12 to post how all light bulbs are now manufactured in China and tell us we are headed into another Great Depression, and BTW 'buy gold'!
49 posted on 10/23/2003 12:38 PM CDT by Always Right
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50 posted on 10/23/2003 12:38 PM CDT by TexKat
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3 for no other reason that to see their pretty signature icons...
51 posted on 10/23/2003 12:38 PM CDT by new cruelty
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One to ping several other people to the light bulb problem, only to be chastised by someone who says not to drag him into light bulb issues.
Several to bump the light bulb, eventually breaking it.
Several hundred to condemn light bulbs as only for weak-eyed people, and roughly the same amount condemning the War on Light.
Several hundred believing that light bulbs evolved naturally from an inventive society, and roughly the same amount ridiculing them for being 'inventionists'.
A few people who feel the need to condemn the bulb as not being pure enough of light. They call most others BINOs, Bulbists-in-name-only.
52 posted on 10/23/2003 12:38 PM CDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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danke schön...
53 posted on 10/23/2003 12:39 PM CDT by danneskjold
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I suppose you just remember how much fun that one was. I always loved the FISH ones!
54 posted on 10/23/2003 12:39 PM CDT by Howlin
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25 to claim that had Tom McClintock been elected Governor of California, the light bulb wouldn't need changing because he is the source of the greatest amount of all light.
55 posted on 10/23/2003 12:39 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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You forgot:
1 Sidebar Moderator to delete it from Breaking News
15 people to whine about the mods moving this stuff from breaking news
4 people to post about how a fringe on the light bulb means that the illuminated area is under martial law
and the 1 and only mhking to read the assorted tomfoolery and silliness and post, "Just Damn."
56 posted on 10/23/2003 12:39 PM CDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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Alas, the good old days.
57 posted on 10/23/2003 12:39 PM CDT by Lil'freeper
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What light bulb ?
58 posted on 10/23/2003 12:39 PM CDT by PoorMuttly (Muttly Axiom #1..."What cannot be eaten, must be sprayed.")
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I thought you stopped using the gay spiderman as your signature icon.
59 posted on 10/23/2003 12:39 PM CDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs: 7-0 baby)
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30 to bump the thread for later reading....which none of them ever do.
60 posted on 10/23/2003 12:40 PM CDT by Always Right
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I'll match you belly for belly.
61 posted on 10/23/2003 12:40 PM CDT by Mark Felton (All liberty flows from the barrel of a gun)
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Another dozen to claim that the lightbulb was a buggy MS product.
62 posted on 10/23/2003 12:40 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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And 16 cave-dwelling students of philosophy to doubt the reality of light bulbs, and affirm that darkness is preferable anyway.
63 posted on 10/23/2003 12:40 PM CDT by January24th
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Are these light bulbs manufactured in the U.S., or China?
64 posted on 10/23/2003 12:40 PM CDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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Of course you need one to ask the originator if he or she is logged in.
65 posted on 10/23/2003 12:41 PM CDT by rdb3 (We're all gonna go, but I hate to go fast. Then again, it won't be fun to stick around and go last.)
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1 DU troll saying George Bush is too stupid to change his own lightbulb.
66 posted on 10/23/2003 12:41 PM CDT by Semper Paratus
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Yikes... you caught me!
67 posted on 10/23/2003 12:41 PM CDT by new cruelty
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Oh no!! NOT THAT!! LOL
Good one, Hey Patrick, somebody just called the evo hotline!! ;)
68 posted on 10/23/2003 12:41 PM CDT by Ogmios (Since when is 66 senate votes for judicial confirmations constitutional?)
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guns are for wimps...a bow and arrow would be the preferred weapon...
69 posted on 10/23/2003 12:42 PM CDT by danneskjold
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I won't buy lightbulbs. General Lightbulb gave money to the Clintons.
70 posted on 10/23/2003 12:43 PM CDT by Leisler (It is better to curse in the darkness than to light a single bulb.)
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::bows::
71 posted on 10/23/2003 12:43 PM CDT by TheBigB (Remember ladies...spandex is a privilege, not a right.)
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No need to change the light bulb. After Y2K, there won't be any electricity.
I wasn't too worried about Y2K, but I am getting pretty nervous about Y10K. You know its going to cause some real havoc in most Windows environments when we switch from four-digit to five-digit years. And I bet Gates is going to make us buy a new Windows program just for this...
72 posted on 10/23/2003 12:43 PM CDT by HenryLeeII
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Don't forget one to post a graphic link to a website about lightbulb jokes.
(Click on Image) 
73 posted on 10/23/2003 12:43 PM CDT by Maceman
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Would you mind if each of us judges that for himself?
Post it.
8^)
74 posted on 10/23/2003 12:43 PM CDT by newgeezer (A conservative who conserves -- a true capitalist!)
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6 to post, "You forgot the Belly Girl light bulb ALERT"
75 posted on 10/23/2003 12:43 PM CDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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And another 10 to say that a Outlook Express worm caused it.
76 posted on 10/23/2003 12:44 PM CDT by bootless (Never Forget)
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Thanks for clearing this up - as I have frequently ruminated over this question. Now, if I only knew why the FReeper crossed the road..........
77 posted on 10/23/2003 12:44 PM CDT by Lando Lincoln (God Bless the arsenal of liberty.)
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and the 1 and only mhking to read the assorted tomfoolery and silliness and post, "Just Damn."
Just Damn ping!
78 posted on 10/23/2003 12:44 PM CDT by bootless (Never Forget)
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low-fat cheese
Since the porchlight burned out there are moose in the yard although I can't see them.
79 posted on 10/23/2003 12:45 PM CDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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I meant her best outfit is when she isn't wearing one...um, see, she'd be naked and all and...
Never mind.
80 posted on 10/23/2003 12:45 PM CDT by TheBigB (Remember ladies...spandex is a privilege, not a right.)
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3 to ask that others keep them up on the lightbulb changing situation as they are cubicle bound.
81 posted on 10/23/2003 12:45 PM CDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs: 7-0 baby)
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;O)
83 posted on 10/23/2003 12:46 PM CDT by newgeezer (We learn by trail and errror. ;-)
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6 to say that Tom Daschle is deeply saddened that the light bulb is out...
84 posted on 10/23/2003 12:46 PM CDT by danneskjold
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And another 3 to start a new Lightbulb Ping List.
85 posted on 10/23/2003 12:46 PM CDT by bootless (Never Forget)
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86 posted on 10/23/2003 12:46 PM CDT by TexKat
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1 to post that changing a light bulb is series business, and another to mention how hugh a job it is.
Then another 426 posts about hugh, series, moose (meece?) and cheese!
Mark
87 posted on 10/23/2003 12:47 PM CDT by MarkL (Chiefs 7-0! Who'd-a-thunk-it?!?!?!)
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And Willie Green to post about the factory being closed down.
88 posted on 10/23/2003 12:47 PM CDT by Still Thinking
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One to post an enormously humongous graphic that slows down the whole thread to a crawl.
89 posted on 10/23/2003 12:47 PM CDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs: 7-0 baby)
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30 Bushbots verbally attack the offending light bulb. :)
90 posted on 10/23/2003 12:47 PM CDT by demlosers
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BFL
91 posted on 10/23/2003 12:47 PM CDT by dts32041 (Is it time to practice decimation with our representatives?)
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...and the 1 and only mhking to read the assorted tomfoolery and silliness and post, "Just Damn."...
What about the "Ahhh Jeezzze, Not This Shi'ite Again" graphic?
92 posted on 10/23/2003 12:47 PM CDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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56,432 to pray for the removed light bulb, and to declare that it had plenty of life left in it.
87 to claim that it's a LBINO.
93 posted on 10/23/2003 12:48 PM CDT by redlipstick (Life is too important to be taken seriously.)
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94 posted on 10/23/2003 12:48 PM CDT by TexKat
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Did we forget the ever-present DU troll who infiltrates the thread and spews how if it were not for Clinton/Gore there wouldn't be any light bulbs?...Or that thanks to Bush, the elderly, children, women and minorities have no light bulbs?
95 posted on 10/23/2003 12:48 PM CDT by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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Several hundred suspecting a terrorist act was responsible for the bulb breaking, with one who takes it upon himself to lecture the other hundred on how bulbs break all the time.
*ONE* to *OVEREMPHASIZE* the *SIGNIFICANCE* of the *MUNDANITY* of a *BROKEN* *LIGHT* *BULB*!
The creator of the bulb, every now and then, will pop in to lecture his minions on proper bulb-changing etiquette, and not to post anything from DU (darkness unlimited)
This is fun, I could come up with these all afternoon!
96 posted on 10/23/2003 12:48 PM CDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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And let's not forget the FReeper who would try to morph the thread into a discussion on evolution vs. creationism (I suspect one would change the light bulb more efficiently but I'm not sure).
97 posted on 10/23/2003 12:48 PM CDT by Lando Lincoln (God Bless the arsenal of liberty.)
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your Spidey icon is hysterical. I showed it to my son (8) and he said, "When is he going to stop dancing?"
"he's a dancing machine.... "
98 posted on 10/23/2003 12:48 PM CDT by proud American in Canada ("We are a peaceful people. Yet we are not a fragile people.")
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That, too.
And one hardworking Freeper to write an actual opus for the light bulb.
99 posted on 10/23/2003 12:48 PM CDT by bootless (Never Forget)
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What about the diference between Yankee light bulbs and Southern By the Grace of God lightbulbs?
100 posted on 10/23/2003 12:48 PM CDT by Hatteras (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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ROFLMAO - Yep, thats it.
101 posted on 10/23/2003 12:49 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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You forgot the negative disapproving post from my
alter ego, Twinkie.
102 posted on 10/23/2003 12:49 PM CDT by Twinkie
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I had to halt the download due to overheating of the modem.
103 posted on 10/23/2003 12:49 PM CDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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Don't forget the guy from Texas who'll claim that lightbulbs made in Texas emit better light than any Yankee lightbulb.
104 posted on 10/23/2003 12:50 PM CDT by XRdsRev
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How many Freepers to change a light bulb?
Just one. But he would just stand still because Freepers believe that the whole world revolves around them.
105 posted on 10/23/2003 12:50 PM CDT by DonQ
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*Sneer*
Followed by at least ten "real conservatives" who arrive to tell us all that this is not, in fact, a "true" lightbulb and we've all sold out!
106 posted on 10/23/2003 12:50 PM CDT by Howlin
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How about f.christian to post...
Lightbulb==>light bulb/bulb of light-->light=goodness/...wins!
107 posted on 10/23/2003 12:50 PM CDT by TheBigB (Remember ladies...spandex is a privilege, not a right.)
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Well... it *does*!!
108 posted on 10/23/2003 12:50 PM CDT by Lil'freeper (just kidding)
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Yo, Tex. Contrary to what you may be hearing at home, bigger is not always better. 1,284,963 bytes dedicated to people admiring a lightbulb might cause our bandwidth-challenged colleagues some heartburn. :-)
109 posted on 10/23/2003 12:51 PM CDT by newgeezer (We learn by trail and errror. ;-)
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I always loved the FISH ones!
110 posted on 10/23/2003 12:51 PM CDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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And another Texan to note the correct pronunciation is "light bub".
111 posted on 10/23/2003 12:51 PM CDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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I'm pretty certain that Clinton gave our advanced lightbulb secrets to the Chinese, didn't he?
112 posted on 10/23/2003 12:52 PM CDT by Lando Lincoln (God Bless the arsenal of liberty.)
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And another one to post how a moose bit his light bulb once...
113 posted on 10/23/2003 12:52 PM CDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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Now, if I only knew why the FReeper crossed the road..........
to change the lightbulb.
114 posted on 10/23/2003 12:52 PM CDT by glock rocks (TIMMY !!)
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They call most others BINOs, Bulbists-in-name-only.
ROFLMAO!!!!
115 posted on 10/23/2003 12:52 PM CDT by Howlin
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That's exactly what I figured you meant.
Still waiting.
116 posted on 10/23/2003 12:52 PM CDT by newgeezer (We learn by trail and errror. ;-)
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And yet another Texan to note the correct pronunciation is "laat bub".
117 posted on 10/23/2003 12:53 PM CDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs: 7-0 baby)
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56,432 to pray for the removed light bulb, and to declare that it had plenty of life left in it.
Oh, that is HILARIOUS.........just hilarious!
118 posted on 10/23/2003 12:54 PM CDT by Howlin
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We use flourescent lamps. They out last the incandescent light bulbs. Gas vs filament and all that, you know. Less filling.
119 posted on 10/23/2003 12:54 PM CDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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Lightbulb==>light bulb/bulb of light-->light=goodness/...wins!
On a thread last year I asked the rhetorical question, "Why do f.christian's posts remind me of William Shatner reading an e.e. cummings poem?" That was the first time I got the ultimate compliment, "Your post made my week!"
120 posted on 10/23/2003 12:54 PM CDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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2 to blame the burned-out bulb on Israel.
19 to flame the Israel-bashers.
1 to somehow tie the burned-out lightbulb to the USS Liberty.
121 posted on 10/23/2003 12:55 PM CDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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LOL. Thanks. It gave me a severe case of the giggles too. But, it's not my icon- 4mycountry posted it yesterday in another thread and I just felt compelled to use it in jest. Also Fierce Allegiance trumped the dancing spidy by a count of three, shown below...
122 posted on 10/23/2003 12:55 PM CDT by new cruelty
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LOL!
123 posted on 10/23/2003 12:55 PM CDT by Howlin
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doubled over...eyes watering..laughing too hard...can't...type...
124 posted on 10/23/2003 12:56 PM CDT by TheBigB (Remember ladies...spandex is a privilege, not a right.)
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"And Willie Green to post about the factory being closed down."
And 14 of Willie's Cronies going off on how all the Free Republic Free Tratiors(Of which I am one I am proud to say) being responsible for the coming Darkness in America when all of our light bulb manufaturing jobs will be shipped off to China And India.
125 posted on 10/23/2003 12:57 PM CDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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2 for blaming the burned out light bulb to be part of the USS Liberty attack cover-up...
6 saying that it wouldn't have burned out if not for the drugged out Libertarians... And the Libertarians responding that it's not the government's job to mandate light bulbs that don't burn out... And to legalize pot!
Mark
126 posted on 10/23/2003 12:58 PM CDT by MarkL (Chiefs 7-0! Who'd-a-thunk-it?!?!?!)
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3 to claim that it's time to WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!!! ALL THE LIGHTBULBS ARE BURNING OUT AND SOON THERE WILL BE NO LIGHTBULBS LEFT!!!!!!!!!!!!
127 posted on 10/23/2003 12:58 PM CDT by Aggie Mama
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One to post an enormously humongous graphic that slows down the whole thread to a crawl.
Too true!
128 posted on 10/23/2003 12:58 PM CDT by ET(end tyranny) ( Deuteronomy 32:37 -- And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,)
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One thing's for sure...this post (with its replies) is an instant Freeper classic.
129 posted on 10/23/2003 12:59 PM CDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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130 posted on 10/23/2003 12:59 PM CDT by TexKat
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re #120..
BWAHAHA!!!!...
131 posted on 10/23/2003 12:59 PM CDT by unix
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132 posted on 10/23/2003 12:59 PM CDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs: 7-0 baby)
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10 posters will say to not buy lightbulbs from Walmart, because all you can get there are are made in China.
1 will say that when he went to Walmart most lightbulbs he found were made in Mexico.
Then it will devolve into an illegal immigration thread.
133 posted on 10/23/2003 12:59 PM CDT by NathanR (California Si! Aztlan NO!)
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134 posted on 10/23/2003 1:00 PM CDT by redlipstick (Life is too important to be taken seriously.)
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2 for blaming the burned out light bulb to be part of the USS Liberty attack cover-up...
1 to chortle about how he posted that lightbulb joke first. :^)
135 posted on 10/23/2003 1:00 PM CDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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No Roger, No Floyd.
Sorry, but that's the way it is.
136 posted on 10/23/2003 1:01 PM CDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs: 7-0 baby)
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Exactly!
137 posted on 10/23/2003 1:01 PM CDT by Howlin
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Its the size that counts.
138 posted on 10/23/2003 1:01 PM CDT by TexKat
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How many people from Cambridge MA (The Peoples Republic of Cambridge) does it take to change a light bulb?
Three:
One, a person to write a grant application to pay for it.
Two, a person to invent an organic bulb substitute.
Three, a person to go to court to sue for the right to live in the dark.
Attribution: David Buskin and Robin Batteau, ca. 1989
139 posted on 10/23/2003 1:01 PM CDT by Final Authority
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atleast 5 to wonder how long before the light bulb gets the ZOT!
140 posted on 10/23/2003 1:02 PM CDT by knak (knid?)
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Add 35 people to argue back and forth about the lightbulb's role in the Evolution versus Creationism debate.
141 posted on 10/23/2003 1:02 PM CDT by XRdsRev
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"Why do f.christian's posts remind me of William Shatner reading an e.e. cummings poem?"
Actually I finally figured out just who f.chrisitian is!
He is the guy who translates all those consumer electronics instruction manuals (like DVD players and Cameras) from Japanese into Eng-rish!
142 posted on 10/23/2003 1:03 PM CDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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1 to protest that there ISN'T an Ann Coulter picture posted (yet.)
3 more merely hitting the [Post] button too many times too quickly.
143 posted on 10/23/2003 1:03 PM CDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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Al Gore invented lightbulbs!
144 posted on 10/23/2003 1:03 PM CDT by TheBigB (Remember ladies...spandex is a privilege, not a right.)
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One to ping the *crevo and/or *wod lists and hijack the thread.
145 posted on 10/23/2003 1:04 PM CDT by Skooz (All Hail the Mighty Kansas City Chiefs: 7-0 baby)
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OK, let's continue:
Several thousand who believe there was a 'TE#2' (Thomas Edison number 2) involved in breaking the bulb.
Eight hundred who refuse to believe that the bulbist-elect of California ever touched a bulb that didn't want to be changed, and in any case, the former bulbist of Arkansas did far worse, sticking his cigar in the bulb socket.
Three hundred who are more concerned about bulbs sneaking across the Mexican border, getting a free ride on the KWH (kilowatt-hour) Express. Then several hundred more who point out that if not for these cheap foreign bulbs, half of the light fixtures that nobody wants to touch would go unfilled.
146 posted on 10/23/2003 1:04 PM CDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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3 more merely hitting the [Post] button too many times too quickly.
And then posting a message stating they're sorry for hitting the Post button too many times...
147 posted on 10/23/2003 1:04 PM CDT by danneskjold
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7 that will not read the thread and will post the same replies as others.
148 posted on 10/23/2003 1:05 PM CDT by Flyer (You get more with a smile, a kind word and a gun than with a smile and a kind word)
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Yeah, I saw where you gave credit to 4mycountry. :)
And Skooz, I literally laughed out loud with your full-fledged dancing troupe post. :) I'm sitting here giggling--when I really should be working.
149 posted on 10/23/2003 1:05 PM CDT by proud American in Canada ("We are a peaceful people. Yet we are not a fragile people.")
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ROTFLOL.
"...More..."
150 posted on 10/23/2003 1:06 PM CDT by new cruelty
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7 that will not read the thread and will post the same replies as others.
151 posted on 10/23/2003 1:06 PM CDT by danneskjold
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4 will double post.
152 posted on 10/23/2003 1:06 PM CDT by Flyer (You get more with a smile, a kind word and a gun than with a smile and a kind word)
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4 will double post.
153 posted on 10/23/2003 1:06 PM CDT by Flyer (You get more with a smile, a kind word and a gun than with a smile and a kind word)
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8 posts about Bagdad Bob's comments:
"There are no light bulbs in Bagdad. There is no need to change them. The UN inspector traitors told you there were no light bulbs. It is all lies of the American infidels that changing is needed.
154 posted on 10/23/2003 1:06 PM CDT by myprecious
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Just damn.
155 posted on 10/23/2003 1:07 PM CDT by mhking
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7 that will not read the thread and will post the same replies as others.
At least one poster who will come onto an 800 post thread and start replying to people at the very beginning of the thread!
156 posted on 10/23/2003 1:07 PM CDT by Howlin
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Two more posts from our beloved Miss Ragtime who points out that the Iraqi's under Bush's recovery now have more power, for more hours per day, than the Bosnia's do 8 years after Clinton bombed them back into the Dark Ages. 8<)
(Except the media are ignoring the pitiful Bosnian infrastructure...)
157 posted on 10/23/2003 1:07 PM CDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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1 to post a reply that is totally irrelevant and follow with a post apologizing for posting to the wrong thread.
158 posted on 10/23/2003 1:07 PM CDT by Flyer (You get more with a smile, a kind word and a gun than with a smile and a kind word)
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4 freepers to tell you you're a statist.
159 posted on 10/23/2003 1:08 PM CDT by Catspaw
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21 Freepers to say it wasn't burned-out it was just lose.
160 posted on 10/23/2003 1:08 PM CDT by Ranxerox
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161 posted on 10/23/2003 1:09 PM CDT by ChrisCoolC
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ROTFLOL also
162 posted on 10/23/2003 1:09 PM CDT by TexKat
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8 posts about Bagdad Bob's comments:
"There are no light bulbs in Bagdad. There is no need to change them. The UN inspector traitors told you there were no light bulbs. It is all lies of the American infidels that changing is needed.
15 to reply "You owe me a new monitor/keyboard/mouse."
163 posted on 10/23/2003 1:09 PM CDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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1 to run over and lurk at DU and let us know how DU'ers feel about light bulbs in general.
164 posted on 10/23/2003 1:09 PM CDT by katnip (It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains)
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LOL!
165 posted on 10/23/2003 1:10 PM CDT by pogo101
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You young people should get down on your knees and thank God you're living in a time when you have light bulbs. In my day all we had was animal-fat torches to FReep by. Woolly Mammoths. Sabertooth tigers. Dialup modems. Helen Thomas in a bear-skin teddy. The horror. The horror.
166 posted on 10/23/2003 1:10 PM CDT by Billthedrill
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At least 5 or 6 who will claim the burned-out bulb is Steve Bartman's fault.
And a few hundred who think Grady Little should have seen that the bulb clearly had nothing left, and changed it before it was too dark to see.
167 posted on 10/23/2003 1:10 PM CDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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1 to run over and lurk at DU and let us know how DU'ers feel about light bulbs in general.
How could we have forgotten!!!
One EX-FREEPER to copy and paste the entire thread over to LP!!!!
168 posted on 10/23/2003 1:11 PM CDT by Howlin
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1 former Freeper feverishly cutting and pasting this thread to another forum because the former Freeper has The Gift.
169 posted on 10/23/2003 1:11 PM CDT by Catspaw
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GMTA--look at my post #169 to you :-))
170 posted on 10/23/2003 1:12 PM CDT by Catspaw
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What NO MOOSE? A list without a moose is like a day without cheese!
171 posted on 10/23/2003 1:12 PM CDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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"Our glorious Feyahdeen have smashed all the American lightbulbs at the gates of Baghdad". Bob
172 posted on 10/23/2003 1:12 PM CDT by XRdsRev
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Whoa! I guess we both read katnip's post at the same time!
173 posted on 10/23/2003 1:12 PM CDT by Howlin
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7 to say, "Take you're comments to another thread, looser!"
174 posted on 10/23/2003 1:13 PM CDT by TheBigB (Remember ladies...spandex is a privilege, not a right.)
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*cough* - LOL
175 posted on 10/23/2003 1:13 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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Is the light socket wired in serious?
176 posted on 10/23/2003 1:13 PM CDT by midwestmidnight
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LOL, quick thinking.
177 posted on 10/23/2003 1:13 PM CDT by katnip (It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains)
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"Why do f.christian's posts remind me of William Shatner reading an e.e. cummings poem?"
Here is a good Example of f.christian's work in Eng-grish:
178 posted on 10/23/2003 1:14 PM CDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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LOL, quick thinking.
Obviously not; it took us reading 170 posts until yours reminded us.........LOL.
179 posted on 10/23/2003 1:14 PM CDT by Howlin
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3 for no other reason than to see their pretty signature icons.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
one question: who's the third "read my posts, don't miss what I have to say"? Nevermind.
180 posted on 10/23/2003 1:14 PM CDT by onyx
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181 posted on 10/23/2003 1:15 PM CDT by TexKat
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I stared in fascination at spider man. Light bulbs were driven from my head. Then I remembered ole spidey is faintly gay.
How many perverts does it take to change a light bulb?
just one but it takes a whole emergency room to remove it.
182 posted on 10/23/2003 1:17 PM CDT by TASMANIANRED (TasmanianRed)
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who's the third "read my posts, don't miss what I have to say"?
well me, of course ... ;)
183 posted on 10/23/2003 1:17 PM CDT by new cruelty
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Then, of course, there are the acronyms:
BOPMA (Bulb of peace my *ss)
WOB (War on bulbs)
FMCDS (From my cold, dead socket)
GMTA (Great men twist alike)
FYI (For your illumination)
184 posted on 10/23/2003 1:18 PM CDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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katnip, I hadn't read your post yet, I swear. I just saw Howlin's name & a light bulb went on over my head (note the feeble attempt to stay within the thread's theme).
185 posted on 10/23/2003 1:19 PM CDT by Catspaw
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How many perverts does it take to change a light bulb?
just one but it takes a whole emergency room to remove it.
BWHAHAHA!
186 posted on 10/23/2003 1:19 PM CDT by new cruelty
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An entire new thread showing photos of Bush in maintenance jump suit changing his own lightbulb atop a ladder. 385 posts with Freeperettes (myprecious included) noting how wonderful W looks in that suit and how lucky Laura is to have such a loving husband.
187 posted on 10/23/2003 1:19 PM CDT by myprecious
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Seeking help from Freepers.
I am looking to light up a room and need help with selecting a bulb. Should I go with standard, frosted or colored ? Also watts...do I go 20, 40, 60, 120, floodlight ?
Any suggestions ?
188 posted on 10/23/2003 1:19 PM CDT by XRdsRev
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And one freeper to set us up the bomb ;-)
All your lightbulb are belong to us
189 posted on 10/23/2003 1:20 PM CDT by Tamsey (...This tagline has been tested on animals.)
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190 posted on 10/23/2003 1:20 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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6 creationists to begin arguing the morality of lightbulbs when God clearly created light first.
6 more philosophers to argue that He only screwed it in, and man screwed it up later?
4 evolutionists who point out that the current came came before the bulb.
191 posted on 10/23/2003 1:22 PM CDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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Lightbulb out, women, children and minorities hardest hit.
192 posted on 10/23/2003 1:22 PM CDT by TASMANIANRED (TasmanianRed)
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Love the dancers... cute gay-spidey-guy ;-)
193 posted on 10/23/2003 1:22 PM CDT by Tamsey (...This tagline has been tested on animals.)
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No need to change the light bulb. After Y2K, there won't be any electricity.
Have you just awakened from a long nap? You are in for a shock and have a lot of catching up to do.
194 posted on 10/23/2003 1:22 PM CDT by LPM1888 ("It's about governance. It's not about sermons." Brooks Firestone)
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And one freeper to set us up the bomb ;-)
close enough : )
195 posted on 10/23/2003 1:23 PM CDT by new cruelty
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ROFLOL!!!!!!!!
196 posted on 10/23/2003 1:24 PM CDT by Quilla
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And Willie Green to post about the factory being closed down.
I had one of those about a year ago:
Sylvania plant to phase out -- 97 workers to lose jobs over 2 years at Bangor site
197 posted on 10/23/2003 1:24 PM CDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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198 posted on 10/23/2003 1:24 PM CDT by TexKat
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A DU troll claiming that black lights are being kept down by 'Big Bulb' conglomerates run by high-wattage white bulbists, while several point out that all bulbs were created equal and endowed with inalienable brights by their creator.
199 posted on 10/23/2003 1:24 PM CDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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Just remember that without Reddy Kilowatt, this thread is pointless.
200 posted on 10/23/2003 1:26 PM CDT by InvisibleChurch (Francois: Do you know what kind of a bomb it was? Clouseau: The exploding kind.)
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33 to debate whether it's better to smoke a joint before, after or during the process.
Another 23 complain that this is not a post about drug legalization.
201 posted on 10/23/2003 1:26 PM CDT by 1Old Pro (ESPN now has 4 little wimpy sissies left. I'm switching back to FOX.)
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One EX-FREEPER to copy and paste the entire thread over to LP!!!!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who wants to get dirty and check?
202 posted on 10/23/2003 1:28 PM CDT by onyx
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Love the dancers... cute gay-spidey-guy ;-)
My wife just brushed it off... "Ah... he's ballet dancing... so what?" Sigh. Some people. :)
203 posted on 10/23/2003 1:28 PM CDT by new cruelty
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9 to claim that lightbulbs cause serious harm & should be banned outright.
204 posted on 10/23/2003 1:28 PM CDT by Fierce Allegiance (Government money = government control)
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At least 8 to talk about the great activism that was accomplished by the MFJ, vefore the need for lightbulbs arose.
205 posted on 10/23/2003 1:29 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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Am I logged in?
206 posted on 10/23/2003 1:29 PM CDT by eyespysomething (As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. (Proverbs 27:17))
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Where did you get THAT?
Did the Illuminati give it to you?
I may never stop laughing at your classic, classic post.
207 posted on 10/23/2003 1:29 PM CDT by Catspaw
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There changing bulbs over there as we speak (type).
208 posted on 10/23/2003 1:29 PM CDT by Quilla
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#190....
209 posted on 10/23/2003 1:29 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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Don't forget that strobe lights are the Log Cabin Republicans of the artificial light realm.
210 posted on 10/23/2003 1:30 PM CDT by InvisibleChurch (Francois: Do you know what kind of a bomb it was? Clouseau: The exploding kind.)
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*Snicker*
211 posted on 10/23/2003 1:31 PM CDT by Howlin
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Lightbulb out, women, children and minorities hardest hit.
212 posted on 10/23/2003 1:31 PM CDT by TASMANIANRED (TasmanianRed)
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It's an old joke; you had to "be here."
213 posted on 10/23/2003 1:32 PM CDT by Howlin
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:-)
214 posted on 10/23/2003 1:32 PM CDT by Howlin
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Sadjoe, haha !
215 posted on 10/23/2003 1:32 PM CDT by katnip (It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains)
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You forgot: WOsB (War on some bulbs)
216 posted on 10/23/2003 1:33 PM CDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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Oh, and some more DU troll posts:
No blood for lumens!
Bush stole the bulb. Gore got more watts. Bush's greedy bulb grab shows that the bulb was 'selected, not defective!'
I support AUWWW (Artist United to Win without Wattage)
We had a huge bulb surplus that Bush squandered giving undeserved bulbs to the rich!
America deserved to have its bulb break for the shameful way we treat lower-quality bulbs in electricity-deprived countries!
I hate Bush because he doesn't support same-bulb fixtures. If it were up to him, he'd round up all homobulbists and put them in recycling camps!
Sad, really, that I can so easily come up with jokes at their expense. But funny nonetheless.
217 posted on 10/23/2003 1:33 PM CDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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I'm slow --- my laughter had me stopped dead in my tracks!
Should have known you'd do the dirty work!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
218 posted on 10/23/2003 1:34 PM CDT by onyx
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1 to post:
"l33+h4x0r Since Aug 14, 2003"
219 posted on 10/23/2003 1:34 PM CDT by l33+h4x0r
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Is it safe to come out yet?
220 posted on 10/23/2003 1:34 PM CDT by Paul L. Hepperla (The fox has many tricks. The hedgehog has but one. But that is the best of all.)
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Don't forget that strobe lights are the Log Cabin Republicans of the artificial light realm.
Don't you mean this?
221 posted on 10/23/2003 1:34 PM CDT by Howlin
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None; we are content to sit forever in the warm glow of the monitor.
222 posted on 10/23/2003 1:35 PM CDT by Old Professer
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The light bulb flashed
and burned out. Bush
wouldn't change it,
making me mad.
I couldn't find the bathroom at
night, so
I voted Libertarian.
Love
Polo
223 posted on 10/23/2003 1:35 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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You are on a ROLL today! Enjoying every single one of them!
224 posted on 10/23/2003 1:35 PM CDT by Howlin
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ROFLMAO
225 posted on 10/23/2003 1:35 PM CDT by LPM1888 ("It's about governance. It's not about sermons." Brooks Firestone)
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What about the diference between Yankee light bulbs and Southern By the Grace of God lightbulbs?
That's what I'm on about. yankee lightbulbs just have a bad color to them
226 posted on 10/23/2003 1:36 PM CDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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The BIG question is:
What would be the best gun to use for target practice at the bad ligt bulb from various distances.
227 posted on 10/23/2003 1:36 PM CDT by 1Old Pro (ESPN now has 4 little wimpy sissies left. I'm switching back to FOX.)
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Keep 'em coming. :)
228 posted on 10/23/2003 1:37 PM CDT by onyx
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3 more merely hitting the [Post] button too many times too quickly.
ROFL!
229 posted on 10/23/2003 1:37 PM CDT by bootless (Never Forget)
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Oh and badjoe coming out complaining that that the light bulb wouldn't have gone out if JimRob wouldve listened to him and done something different.
230 posted on 10/23/2003 1:37 PM CDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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ROFLMAO!!!
231 posted on 10/23/2003 1:38 PM CDT by wimpycat
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I wish everyone would stop using the Spiderman graphic - it brings my poor old computer to its knees.
232 posted on 10/23/2003 1:38 PM CDT by Old Professer
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4 evolutionists who point out that the current came came before the bulb.
Don't forget about VARS. We can't have a dearth of VARS making all the lightbulbs go out, now can we?
233 posted on 10/23/2003 1:38 PM CDT by LPM1888 ("It's about governance. It's not about sermons." Brooks Firestone)
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Two hundred to tell you that the light bulb didn't just burn out. It was deliberately sabotaged by men in black helicopters.
Three hundred to tell you to wrap the bulb in tin foil and to wear tin foil whilst changing it.
One to write an opus about how he's changed Jim Robinson's light bulbs for 5 years, never been paid and is sick, sick sick of it!! Goodbye!!
234 posted on 10/23/2003 1:40 PM CDT by marshmallow
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How many people from Cambridge MA (The Peoples Republic of Cambridge) does it take to change a light bulb?
Three:
One, a person to write a grant application to pay for it.
Two, a person to invent an organic bulb substitute.
Three, a person to go to court to sue for the right to live in the dark.
Attribution: David Buskin and Robin Batteau, ca. 1989
Four: one environmentalist wacko to seek an injunction against changing the lightbulb because it causes global warming.
235 posted on 10/23/2003 1:40 PM CDT by TASMANIANRED (TasmanianRed)
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You got it!
236 posted on 10/23/2003 1:41 PM CDT by Howlin
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OMG! I'm turning a shade of verde.
Love,
Quilla
237 posted on 10/23/2003 1:41 PM CDT by Quilla
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ROFLMAO!
238 posted on 10/23/2003 1:42 PM CDT by Howlin
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1 former Freeper feverishly cutting and pasting this thread to another forum because the former Freeper has The Gift.
Specifically, the gift to see the trout.
239 posted on 10/23/2003 1:42 PM CDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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It wasn't that hard to write. Just imagine sitting there in the soft glow of the monitor as it reflects off your desktop shrine of framed and glassed Ann Coulter magazine photos, while being comforted by the screams from the pit in the basement, all conveniently located next to your computer station.
240 posted on 10/23/2003 1:42 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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Bull's eye!
241 posted on 10/23/2003 1:42 PM CDT by onyx
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At least one who will point out that this is hugh and series because a cheese-head moose bit his sister's lightbulb while she was in the shower...
242 posted on 10/23/2003 1:43 PM CDT by Junior (Erotic is using a feather. Kinky is using the whole chicken.)
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How many DU'ers does it take to change a light bulb.
3 to figure out how to change the lightbulb.
10 to call say Bush stole the election.
5 to say Christians suck.
8 to post profanity that would get you banned on the FR.
All of them to post stupid quites from famous liberals from days gone by
3 to say no blood for oil.
4 to say "keep your laws off of my body"
notice there aren't as many DU'ers as there are Freepers.
243 posted on 10/23/2003 1:43 PM CDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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It wasn't that hard to write. Just imagine sitting there in the soft glow of the monitor as it reflects off your desktop shrine of framed and glassed Ann Coulter magazine photos, while being comforted by the screams from the pit in the basement, all conveniently located next to your computer station.
I just looked up warped in the dictionary so I could see a picture of what you look like.
244 posted on 10/23/2003 1:44 PM CDT by LPM1888 ("It's about governance. It's not about sermons." Brooks Firestone)
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and 1 Freeper to ask "Hey guys...my light bulb just went out 5 minutes ago here in Georgia...are your lights on? WHAT'S GOING ON HERE!"
245 posted on 10/23/2003 1:44 PM CDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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15 to blame Clinton for the light bulb going out.
And, one to claim that your position makes you a “Clinton Lover”.
246 posted on 10/23/2003 1:46 PM CDT by TankerKC (NEWS ALERT: SEXUAL HA(R)ASSMENT (D)EEME(D) SE(R)IOUS ONCE AGAIN!)
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You are on a ROLL today! Enjoying every single one of them!
Thank you...if I have any function at FR, it is to be a smartass. But I try to be the best smartass I can be! I haven't laughed at a thread this much in a long time.
247 posted on 10/23/2003 1:46 PM CDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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what? no ann coulter pictures?
248 posted on 10/23/2003 1:46 PM CDT by Frohickey
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and 1 Freeper who wasnt quick enough, to complain to the Mods that there light bulb post was deleted in favor of one posted 3 seconds before his
249 posted on 10/23/2003 1:46 PM CDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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Freepers who change lightbulbs are not real patriots or conservatives
250 posted on 10/23/2003 1:46 PM CDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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How many freepers does it take to change a light bulb?
Posted on 10/23/2003 12:26 PM CDT by Sir Gawain
At least one Freeper to complain that these lighbulbs aren't like the lightbulbs use to be on FR, back in the "good old days."
251 posted on 10/23/2003 1:46 PM CDT by Howlin
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Role playing helps that green color. Breath deeply while thinking serene thoughts about luckily finding Ann Coulter getting into her car in a darkened mall parking lot, and hope that her can of pepper spray ran dry.
252 posted on 10/23/2003 1:46 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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Light bulb has burned out
What is a Freeper to do?
Come up with Haiku
253 posted on 10/23/2003 1:47 PM CDT by danneskjold
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12 to haughtily proclaim that it wouldn't have burned out if it was a Mac.
Born, I think they are talking about you behind your back.;-)
254 posted on 10/23/2003 1:49 PM CDT by RightWingMama
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At least one poster who will come onto an 800 post thread and start replying to people at the very beginning of the thread!
Oh sh*t, is that bad!?
255 posted on 10/23/2003 1:50 PM CDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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Hilarious; and I thought I was the only one to think there something funny about this version of spidey.
256 posted on 10/23/2003 1:50 PM CDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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Breath deeply while thinking serene thoughts about luckily finding Ann Coulter getting into her car in a darkened mall parking lot, and hope that her can of pepper spray ran dry.
And hoping that she doesn't follow the idea of "It is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" re: concealed carry.
257 posted on 10/23/2003 1:50 PM CDT by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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CBS NEWS REPORTS THAT 5,367,589 LIGHTBULBS HAVE DIED SINCE PRESIDENT BUSH DECLARED AN END TO MAJOR COMBAT OPERATIONS IN IRAQ.
258 posted on 10/23/2003 1:51 PM CDT by XRdsRev
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oh, cripes, thanks for putting my name to that after i called twinkie a homo on the cheerleader thread.
259 posted on 10/23/2003 1:51 PM CDT by Fierce Allegiance (Government money = government control)
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At least one Freeper to complain that these lighbulbs aren't like the lightbulbs use to be on FR, back in the "good old days."
And someone to point out a new-bulb-changer's earliest bulb-changing date: "Bulb-changer since 10-23-2003"
Plus someone to complain that, as a long-time bulb changer, his bulb-changing privileges were revoked for no apparent reason after he installed what he considered to be a perfectly reasonable bulb, within bulb-changing guidelines.
Someone to put a bulb with his initials on it, only for fifty people to chastise him for 'worthless vanity bulbs'.
260 posted on 10/23/2003 1:52 PM CDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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lol, thanks I needed the laugh.
261 posted on 10/23/2003 1:52 PM CDT by honeygrl
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BWAAAHAAAHAAAAAA! That's right!
;-)
262 posted on 10/23/2003 1:53 PM CDT by BornOnTheFourth
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WHAT??????????????????? ROFLMAO. I miss all the good stuff!
263 posted on 10/23/2003 1:53 PM CDT by Howlin
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I'll leave you with the serene thoughts as I carry my own brand of pepper spray.
264 posted on 10/23/2003 1:53 PM CDT by Quilla
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See this!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1006692/posts?page=190#190
265 posted on 10/23/2003 1:55 PM CDT by Catspaw
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...
10 to announce they're taking a shower
5 to say this is series
15 to say that it's hugh...
266 posted on 10/23/2003 1:57 PM CDT by UlmoLordOfWaters
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Nah - wouldn't work. If Coulter shot the 'TARD, he'd just assume that it was an aphrodisiac.
267 posted on 10/23/2003 1:57 PM CDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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10 Freepers to give details on the history and origins of lightbulbs.
2 wise-guy Freepers to say that there are lightbulbs because the Lord said "Let there be light".
10 atheist Freepers to come in and say there is no way to prove there is a God or that he said any such thing.
30 Freepers to say "oh great, now this thread is destined to turn into a creation/evolution thread"
15 Freepers to post 2000 posts, most of them flames, on creation/evolution.
7 moderators (not me) to come on and say please, Lord, have mercy on our souls and stop!
2 former Freepers to sign up 20 new accounts to complain that they were banned because the moderators have taken sides in the creation/evolution debate.
2 other former Freepers to sign up 20 new accounts to complain that they were banned because the moderators have taken the other side in the creation/evolution debate.
268 posted on 10/23/2003 1:57 PM CDT by I Am Not A Mod
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Dear, Lead Moderator
Freedom is COntagious | 10-29-03 | Freedom is Contagious
Posted on 10/29/2003 9:19 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
I find it awfully discouraging that the articles I posted that were hosted by stevequayle.com, which originated from viable news and various other sources, were pulled and that the only reason given for their exclusion was that, and I quote, "I don't think we want stevequayle.com here".
I find it awfully discouraging that the articles I posted that were hosted by stevequayle.com, which originated from viable news and various other sources, were pulled and that the only reason given for their exclusion was that, and I quote, "I don't think we want stevequayle.com here".
Is there an existing list of prohibited websites a conservative of FreeRepublic is not allowed to post from?
What do you have against steve quayle? I have done my part and posted along with the copied and pasted articles I have submitted, there sourc url.
Im fully capable of defending any assertions, beliefs, ideas, thoughts and articles I post here. As well as the clear fact that Freepers on FR.com are fully capable of discerning for themselves the validity of what I post, and deciding on their own to reply, or move on.
If this truely is a conservatice website, what i have posted is of a conservative interest. please reinstate my post(s) or clarify the exact reason on why articles posted on Steve Quayles website, from other sources are not wanted here.
In the name of conservatism and what is right, reinstate my post immediately. Or let my fellow Freepers decide. I have done what is required of me and post the URL for the source from which the articles were gleaned from.
FREEDOM IS CONTAGIOUS
1 posted on 10/29/2003 9:19 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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countdown?
2 posted on 10/29/2003 9:22 PM CST by DefCon
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3 posted on 10/29/2003 9:23 PM CST by I got the rope
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How long would I have to visit that site until I know why we can't post from it??
4 posted on 10/29/2003 9:24 PM CST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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Love is contagious too.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
5 posted on 10/29/2003 9:24 PM CST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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"Fellow freepers"???!!!
You've been here barely a day..how are some here your fellows?
6 posted on 10/29/2003 9:24 PM CST by unix
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I love those Viking Kittens too
7 posted on 10/29/2003 9:24 PM CST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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Welcome to FreeRepublic.
For what it's worth, many newbies choose not to pick a fight with the moderator until they've been around for, oh, say, more than a day or so.
8 posted on 10/29/2003 9:26 PM CST by Mr. Lucky
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Pardon me for not knowing the societal structure of FR.COm
9 posted on 10/29/2003 9:26 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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Conspiracy sites are frowned upon by JR.
10 posted on 10/29/2003 9:27 PM CST by Brett66
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How long would I have to visit that site until I know why we can't post from it??
Generally speaking, if a site discusses crop circles and aliens in a serious fashion, it is a safe bet that you shouldn't post articles form there.
11 posted on 10/29/2003 9:27 PM CST by Always Right
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Well be that as it may Im not picking a fight with our dear moderator. I am only seeking to find out why the articles I posted from Http://www.stevequayle.com were pulled. Nothing more, nothing less.
12 posted on 10/29/2003 9:27 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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13 posted on 10/29/2003 9:28 PM CST by socal_parrot
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"Dear, Lead Moderator"
Commas in the right places are your friends.
That was about the only exciting thing in your post.
Leni
14 posted on 10/29/2003 9:28 PM CST by MinuteGal
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least your stickin around and sticking up for yourself,good for you
welcome to FR buddy,(yes i meant that)
15 posted on 10/29/2003 9:29 PM CST by MetalHeadConservative35 (DeathscytheX was old...i needed a change and so here i am)
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So I do, if you check the articles I posted, there were viable links to the source from which steve quayle derived those articles from. THey were down at the bottom. But how could anyone know that since the articles have been pulled
16 posted on 10/29/2003 9:29 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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ROFLMAO! Is that you?
17 posted on 10/29/2003 9:29 PM CST by I got the rope
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Hmm..just went there. Seems like a pseudo-Art Bell for people that enjoy scaring the crap out of themselves.
I've never heard of him before, but I'll hazard a guess he was a huge Y2K panic guy, and after that flopped he branched out into terrorism/natural disaster hype.
18 posted on 10/29/2003 9:29 PM CST by John H K
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Nope..don't dodge my question.
19 posted on 10/29/2003 9:30 PM CST by unix
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"It is I, Arthur, your KING! I command you to open the gate!" [deluge of excrement, wastewater] [Arthur, sputtering]"In the name of all that is holy..." [deluge of excrement, wastewater]
You know the rest...
20 posted on 10/29/2003 9:30 PM CST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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I don't see why stuff from Dan Quayle can't be posted either.
I mean Dan Quayle isn't some Y2K nutcase who thinks the Bilderbergers are going to turn the world's power off.
I really hate when people don't read carefully too.
21 posted on 10/29/2003 9:30 PM CST by mrsmith
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That's terrific!
22 posted on 10/29/2003 9:30 PM CST by mrsmith
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I wish I was that clever, and my dog had that much patience.
What's the latest info on stevequayle.com?
23 posted on 10/29/2003 9:31 PM CST by socal_parrot
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OK, I think I can see why the Mos would pull them... I just spent about 24 seconds there.
24 posted on 10/29/2003 9:31 PM CST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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Are you Steve Quayle? Just curious.
25 posted on 10/29/2003 9:31 PM CST by Cultural Jihad
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Metal Head COnservative,
Thank You
26 posted on 10/29/2003 9:32 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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"What do you have against steve quayle"
He probably spells potatoe (potato) and we don't want any quayle's here who spell it that way.
27 posted on 10/29/2003 9:32 PM CST by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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ya think?
28 posted on 10/29/2003 9:32 PM CST by socal_parrot
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It's ok when you wear your tinfoil hat.
29 posted on 10/29/2003 9:32 PM CST by RJayneJ
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30 posted on 10/29/2003 9:32 PM CST by dubyaismypresident
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Am I witnessing my first ZOT after posting my first article earlier?
My life is complete.
31 posted on 10/29/2003 9:32 PM CST by PeteFromMontana
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There is a link at the bottom for an MRE supplier... selling his stock??
32 posted on 10/29/2003 9:33 PM CST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
Post of the day, I think.....
33 posted on 10/29/2003 9:33 PM CST by John H K
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NO I am not. And as I stated before, there were links at the bottom of each article indicating the source from which SteveQuayle got the articles from. Oh, like USATODAY and such
34 posted on 10/29/2003 9:33 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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If that's your story, you may as well stick to it. But, you're not exactly the first person to parachute into FreeRepublic to shill for a whacko site.
35 posted on 10/29/2003 9:33 PM CST by Mr. Lucky
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Where is Bozeman, MT?
36 posted on 10/29/2003 9:34 PM CST by Cultural Jihad
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Yet the articles are all from his site. Why not post the article from USA Today, then?
37 posted on 10/29/2003 9:35 PM CST by Cultural Jihad
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well if you were able to go back and check, which you are not, then you would find the articles I posted were from very legitimate websites. No I dont espouse everything on Steve Quayles website. But I do enjoy his section on terrorism. It is informative.
38 posted on 10/29/2003 9:36 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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I'm not sure. I think he's another pseudo-scientific nut job. I think I've seen some of this stuff in the CREVO threads. Patrick, do you have any info about this guy (Steve Quayle)
39 posted on 10/29/2003 9:36 PM CST by I got the rope
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Hence the reason the link to the original source was at the end of each article. I checked the links myself. They were valid. One of the articles I posted that was SteveQuayle.com was from USATODAY, and I posted it from USATODAY.
40 posted on 10/29/2003 9:37 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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Where is Bozeman, MT?
South Central part of the state. Filled with college kids and skiiers.
41 posted on 10/29/2003 9:38 PM CST by PeteFromMontana
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What does it matter, they were all valid articles.
42 posted on 10/29/2003 9:38 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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Did the URL hyperlink (at least on the one article you admit to) go to stevequeen.com, or to USA Today? If you are going to post an article from USA Today, then did you make any mention of SteveQueen.com at all?
43 posted on 10/29/2003 9:39 PM CST by Cultural Jihad
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I think that is the best Viking kitty I have seen yet.
44 posted on 10/29/2003 9:39 PM CST by Rocky
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Were you being honest you would have linked to the legitimate sites. That fact that ou refer only to this one conspiracy theory site kinda betrays that you're not really all that serious. Candor should be your constant companion if you wish to be a Freeper.
45 posted on 10/29/2003 9:40 PM CST by Mr. Lucky
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Thanks. Apparently that's where the domain name is registered to someone in.
46 posted on 10/29/2003 9:40 PM CST by Cultural Jihad
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Am I witnessing my first ZOT after posting my first article earlier?
It's true what they say -- you never forget your first zot.
47 posted on 10/29/2003 9:40 PM CST by Ichneumon
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""But I do enjoy his section on terrorism. It is informative.""
If the section on terrorism is from legit sources -- CURRENT and informative -- then post those directly and leave the message UNfiltered through the mind and agenda of a doomsday survivalist/conspiracy theorist selling MREs.
48 posted on 10/29/2003 9:40 PM CST by Jackson Brown
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Dude, remember to always put the shiney side of the tin foil on the outside of your hat to bounce the rays away from your brain. If you put the shiney side in the rays get inside and bounce around.
49 posted on 10/29/2003 9:40 PM CST by AlbertWang
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SteveQueen? DO you mean Steve Quayle?
50 posted on 10/29/2003 9:40 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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I don't even know who Steve Quayle is.
Who is Steve Quayle?
51 posted on 10/29/2003 9:41 PM CST by Uno Animo (Michael Schiavo is "dying" to see his wife die.)
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Where is Bozeman, MT?
Home of the school where Phaedrus taught. (Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert M. Pirsig).
52 posted on 10/29/2003 9:41 PM CST by NutCrackerBoy
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Oh, yes.
53 posted on 10/29/2003 9:41 PM CST by Cultural Jihad
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I was. the links to them were at the bottom. Pardon my error for not posting them correctly. BUt anyone with a tad bit of common since would have recognized, "Oh theres the legitimate link"
54 posted on 10/29/2003 9:43 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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No, I think he means Steve McQueen. Is he still alive?
55 posted on 10/29/2003 9:43 PM CST by browardchad
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All set for the big Halloween Party?
Great Costume!
56 posted on 10/29/2003 9:43 PM CST by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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Wasn't he the Vice-President? No, he starred in The Great Escape. Yeah, that's it.
57 posted on 10/29/2003 9:44 PM CST by Mr. Lucky
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This one fits on this thread
58 posted on 10/29/2003 9:44 PM CST by dubyaismypresident (Our only goal will be the western shore)
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an error I simply needed to be made aware of, not my articles removed.
59 posted on 10/29/2003 9:44 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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Nothin like 'breakin the ice', eh? Welcome to FR.
60 posted on 10/29/2003 9:44 PM CST by Spruce
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����ce from which SteveQuayle got the articles from
So why not post from their original sources? Why do you insist on linking the story to Steve Quayle, when you admit they have another primary source?
Me thinks your motive is clear.
61 posted on 10/29/2003 9:45 PM CST by TheOtherOne
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Well, self-promotion and selling is frowned upon by the owner, not to say you were engaged in that. Next time try to leave out any mention of any fringe sites. As someone else said, post the source articles instead and forget the filtering and redirection links to dubious, tinfoil hat sites. And please ping me when they return in proper shape!
62 posted on 10/29/2003 9:46 PM CST by Cultural Jihad
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Steve Quayle is a nutjob. It brings discredit to FR if the mods allow nutjobs to be regarded as reliable sources here.
63 posted on 10/29/2003 9:47 PM CST by nhoward14 (Don't *MISS* out on *ROOTING* for *THE* Cowboys! Go *QUINCY*)
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""an error I simply needed to be made aware of, not my articles removed.""
You were informed by having the articles removed.
64 posted on 10/29/2003 9:47 PM CST by Jackson Brown
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Looney Toons.
65 posted on 10/29/2003 9:48 PM CST by MEG33
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as I will say for the 100th time. yes I linked to stevequayle.com. But with a little common sense any would ahve since the link to the original source was at the articles end. atleast give me credit for including as is proper. And not excluding. I didnt hyper link it, some one could have appraised of that and instructed me to hyperlink it to its original source.
66 posted on 10/29/2003 9:49 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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LOL! Sooo Cute!
67 posted on 10/29/2003 9:49 PM CST by ladyinred (Talk about a revolution, look at California!!! We dumped Davis!!!)
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A typical posting from the site:
Dimentional Portals of U.S. Government
October 24, 2003 This story may exceed what you are accustomed to consider as reality. But because advanced research and development into extraterrestrial-derived technology has taken place for the last 50 years out of public view, the popular view of reality is almost five decades behind actual scientific achievements. To process this story, it helps if you accept that the government is not totally forthcoming in the news stories it feeds the media. It also helps to realize that the government uses the word "nuclear secrets" as a code phrase for all kinds of secret advanced technology, such as antigravity propulsion and psychotronic remote-influencing devices, and not just for atomic weapons. (read more)
Dimentional Portals of U.S. Government
68 posted on 10/29/2003 9:49 PM CST by Brett66
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Well, self-promotion and selling is frowned upon by the owner, not to say you were engaged in that. Next time try to leave out any mention of any fringe sites. As someone else said, post the source articles instead and forget the filtering and redirection links to dubious, tinfoil hat sites. And please ping me when they return in proper shape!
Me too. Ask the mods if you can correct your post. Freepers will give you the benefit of the doubt. Then, they'll flame you relentlessly if need be. Welcome to FR.
69 posted on 10/29/2003 9:49 PM CST by I got the rope
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Welcome to FreeRepublic! Stevequale does conspiracy theories doesn't he? If so, that is why your post was pulled. We have enough trouble keeping up with our own conspiracies around here! :-) You will learn, so don't worry about it.
70 posted on 10/29/2003 9:51 PM CST by ladyinred (Talk about a revolution, look at California!!! We dumped Davis!!!)
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First, tone....I hear tone , and now this?
appraised
71 posted on 10/29/2003 9:51 PM CST by dasboot (Celebrate UNITY!)
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No, I think he means Steve McQueen. Is he still alive?
Alas, no. He died in 1980.
72 posted on 10/29/2003 9:52 PM CST by dighton (Nasty Little Clique™)
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well who is a nut job and who isnt is all relative. Do you realize liberal democrats think your a nut job. See what I mean. Its all relative. Where as to one person you may be smart and intelligent. To the BArbara Streisand types your a mental whacko.
73 posted on 10/29/2003 9:52 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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But with a little common sense
You are the one who started a thread to find out why your post was pulled. Now that we tell you, you are annoyed?
Do you have your answer? Do you now understand why your post was pulled, and how it might be accepted in the future?
Do you still demand it be returned?
Have you thought about posting it linked from its primary source?
74 posted on 10/29/2003 9:52 PM CST by TheOtherOne
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I have heard him on the radio, it was some years ago, and he did do the Y2K stuff, plus everything else you can think of.
75 posted on 10/29/2003 9:52 PM CST by ladyinred (Talk about a revolution, look at California!!! We dumped Davis!!!)
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I don't think that there is a Lead Moderator, since pencils are no longer used on FR. Ever since the problems in Florida 2000...
76 posted on 10/29/2003 9:53 PM CST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firemackbrown.com)
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"Dear, Lead Moderator"
Commas in the right places are your friends.[...]
Proper spelling is always a plus, too.
77 posted on 10/29/2003 9:54 PM CST by spookycc (Never forgive! Never forget!)
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Well I dont completely agree with Steve Quayle. like I said his articles on terrorism and his terrorism updates are informative. If they would reinstate my post I would certainly be happy to edit them. Your right I have learned the beginings of proper conduct. But no reason to delete my post.
78 posted on 10/29/2003 9:54 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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You're not helping yourself.
79 posted on 10/29/2003 9:54 PM CST by Mr. Lucky
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Siamese Viking kitty in tinfoil hat! Definitely of use around here from time to time.
80 posted on 10/29/2003 9:55 PM CST by Rocky
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Don't sweat it, that's why I don't post here anymore either.
It seems many of those here have nothing better to do then berate those who attempt to make a positive contribution.
Spend any time here at all, and you will see what I mean.
You will also discover the "rules" of the road, so to speak.
By the way, the "Viking Kitties" are WAY COOL!!
81 posted on 10/29/2003 9:56 PM CST by Jmann (thanx for asking)
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for starters the links to the websites were posted. Not hyperlinked, but in text format that could have been copied and pasted.
No Im not annoyed. But it would have been nice to have been informed of my error not have my post deleted
82 posted on 10/29/2003 9:57 PM CST by Freedom Is Contagious
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"Is there an existing list of prohibited websites a conservative of FreeRepublic is not allowed to post from?"
The only sites that I know of that are forbidden to post articles from are the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. If you don't post full articles from these two sites, you're OK to post from any other sites. If, I'm wrong on this please let me know because I, like you, would like to know.
The way I see it is if FR does not formally and explicitly have a policy on this issue prominently posted on its site, then I assume I can post articles from whatever source.
But I'm sure there is a policy somewhere posted on FR that I haven't seen with regard to which sites are forbidden to post from. Why would the owner of this site not want the whole world to see such a policy? I'm sure if there are other sites, other than the LAT and Washingnton Post, that are not welcome on this site by the admin of FR, he would post them. He does not march in lockstep with the PC crowd. That's why I like FR. Yeahhh!!!
83 posted on 10/29/2003 9:58 PM CST by Uno Animo (Michael Schiavo is "dying" to see his wife die.)
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Posted on 10/30/2003 2:14 PM CST by dakine
Free Republic and Jim Robinson's Finances
Miscellaneous Free Republic Source: Free Republic Published: 07/15/99 Author: Jim Robinson Posted on 07/15/1999 01:02:53 PDT by Jim Robinson
Just trying to set the record straight.
Even though it's boring, I'll have to go back a few years to lay the groundwork for the story. Warning: it's boring so you might just want to skip this whole thing and go on to a real article... but for those of you who are spreading the gruesome rumors of Jim Robinson ripping off the FReepers, here's the real accounting of Free Republic.
During the 70's and 80's I worked as a programmer/analyst then division manager of a local computer service bureau. Over the years, I developed a series of accounting packages for agri-business companies. These packages were written for mini-computers using a fourth generation programming language that I developed myself. We had an installed base of a dozen or so farming companies and produce packers in California's San Joaquin Valley.
In 1988, the owner of the service bureau offered to allow me to purchase the software from the company on a percentage of gross revenues for one year basis and take over the existing client base. He also offered that I could take any of the programmers in my department who wanted to go with me. It had long been my desire to be in business for myself, so I jumped at the opportunity. Two programmers accepted my offer of equal partnership and ground floor opportunity and so we contributed $3,000 capital apiece, formed a corporation and into the computer business we plunged. In our first year, we grossed something in the neighborhood of a three hundred thousand and we were basically living hand to mouth, but we kept working at it. Within a few years and an awful lot of hard work, we were grossing a couple million per year and were earning a decent living.
In 1994 we decided that we wanted to expand the business so we did an initial public offering and raised some three million dollars on the NASDAQ. Our intent was to convert all of our software to shrink-wrap for Windows on the P/C and go nationwide. Well, we found that it was no easy task rewriting from the tested and true VAX VMS to the relatively untested and unstable P/C and we ended up paying several times the amount that we estimated for conversion and our roll out of the new software was delayed... first one year... then another. In the meantime, all of our clients and prospects were seeing our new prototypes and they wanted our new stuff. No one would buy our old software. Classic mistake. But long story short, we soon used up all of our new capital and the corporation was in big trouble.
To make matters worse, during the period of our IPO, my wife suffered a stroke which ended up leaving her entire left side paralyzed. And adding to that, my muscular dystrophy which had been progressing slowly for twenty years suddenly decides to accelerate. As I grew weaker, I could no longer travel by myself or even step up a curb to enter a client's building, much less climb stairs (many of our packing house customers had their offices upstairs over the plant). Plus, I had to spend ever increasing amounts of time at home helping my wife leaving less time for the office. So I began delegating more and more of my tasks to my fellow Officers and spending even less time at the company. It got so bad that eventually the board of directors invited me to step aside from my position as Chairman and CEO and turn the reins over to our President. I was given a one year consulting contract and a promise that I might be able to come back in as a Vice President after the company was re-organized. The company brought in some new capital through a private offering and the new stockholders brought in all new management. I was let go at the end of my contract.
In 1995 as we were desperately looking for a product to sell, we luckily acquired a new type of business... an internet service provider. This business was brand new, only 200 paying customers, and the founder had run out of cash so we picked it up and thought it would be a potential source of revenue. It was. It doubled or more in size every month. Eventually it saved our bacon because it was what attracted the private capital and then a later six million dollar offering (I was already gone by this time).
In the middle of 1996, I was forced into retirement. At the time, I only had about $40,000 value in my remaining stock (the company had lost about 95% of it's value), my wife was paralyzed, I was barely able get around, and we were lived in a big new house with an upside down mortgage (we had purchased the house before my wife's stroke and while I was still Chairman and CEO of a prosperous growing company which was about to go public and the future was all roses, uh huh).
So I continued on as a consultant for the company, but in October of 1996 my back got so bad that I could no longer stand or walk. I had surgery in December to repair a protruding disk and relieve the pain and numbness in my legs, but I was never able to walk again.
During most of the above time period (beginning sometime in '93 or '94) I had been following our new President's crimes and corruption spree by reading and posting to Prodigy's Whitewater bulletin board at night and on weekends. In September of 1996, I created the Free Republic website. Missy Kelly, who was a regular on Prodigy, sent me several articles and other info about the Riady's, the Lippo Group, the Rose Law Firm, and Clinton's crooked financing from the 80's through his election, and I also had info from Michael Rivero's Foster pages and I had some info on the phony drug war and our government's involvement with drug running through Arkansas, etc., and I set it all up on a series of web pages and just knew that if Clinton's corruption was exposed to the general public, no way would he be reelected. Hah!
After the corrupt sob was reelected, I became determined that I was gonna do all I could to see him impeached, so I wrote the forum software and launched the Free Republic forum in February 1997. I was the only poster for a few months, but I kept sending my URL to search engines and trolled the news groups by reposting articles from the forum and eventually I picked up a few readers... and eventually some of the readers got the courage to try posting.
The forum went well, and over the summer and through the fall of 1997 we continued to pickup more and more readers and we started accumulating a lot of hits. Sometime during that Fall, we had gained so many readers that our traffic began impacting my ISP (which was my old company which had been donating the resources for us). Our hits and our bandwidth usage was dragging down their system, so they eventually gave me an ultimatum to either pay them $700 per month or find another provider.
Well, I was near broke at the time, didn't have much income and this was just a hobby so I thought it was probably all over. Then one of our posters (The Duke) wrote me. He was using a network service for his company and he thought they could supply us with a dedicated server for as little as $300 per month. That was a reasonable rate, but I still couldn't afford it. The Duke suggested that we ask the readers if they wanted Free Republic enough to donate the money to pay the expenses and keep it running. So he ran a thread and sure enough, the readers said that it was important to keep Free Republic going and so they began sending in donations. I ordered the server and we were soon running. Thus the practice of reader funding of Free Republic was born. It wasn't that I was begging for money as some have alleged, it was because I did not have the resources to keep it going and yet the readers wanted it enough to pay our expenses.
The forum kept getting more and more popular, kept gaining more and more readers and kept requiring more and more time to support it. I was soon working on it full time and my HTML business (Electronic Orchard which I had formed to try to earn a living and stay afloat) began to suffer. I let the posters know, and they began sending more donations so that I could work full time on the forum and would have enough money to avoid personal bankruptcy. The forum was still just a hobby at this time. My income came from whatever HTML work I could find (not much), and from donors who sent me money as gifts and said to use it however I needed it, and from the remainder of my savings which I luckily had invested in Mindspring stock which was doing very well (Mindspring is an internet company and their stock did a ok).
Then sometime after we were on the new server (not sure about the timing here, may have been before) Matt Drudge discovered us and linked to our White Water topic. Now we start doubling every couple of months and soon our new server could not handle the load. The time delay became unbearable and the readers were becoming more and more frustrated and hostile. There was much public discussion about what to do to keep Free Republic alive and I did not have enough money left in my savings to buy a larger server and/or to commit to more bandwidth. Free Republic was just a hobby and had no revenue and no resources. How can I commit several thousand dollars per month for bandwidth when I'm already next to personal bankruptcy?
About this time, I was contacted by James Golden of TalkSpot who wanted to do an interview and ask a bunch of questions. I'm a quiet and shy kinda guy and hate interviews with the press so I turned him over to Connie Hair who had volunteered to handle these things for us. It turns out that he was interested in more than an interview. He wanted to find out whether we could work together. Seems he had a conservative talkshow and he was interested in expanding it and working with us. We let him know that we were in trouble and might not even be around much longer. Somehow over the next few weeks, Connie and Clarity had worked a deal with TalkSpot where they would provide the server capacity we needed and would supply me with a consulting contract so that I could earn a living while building Free Republic and Free Republic Radio on TalkSpot. Wow! What a miracle.
Connie had earlier asked me how much I would need to run Free Republic for a year, and I had estimated that with taxes and expenses I would probably need around hundred thousand or so. So that's what she asked for. And that's what they agreed to. They actually wanted to buy FR and hire me as an employee, but after having being in business for a decade, I was pretty set in my independent ways and would rather not have a boss. I said Free Republic was not for sale and so they agreed on the consulting contract.
Now we also had been contacted about this time by several media companies who questioned the fair use exemption to the copyright law and who were threatening to sue us for alleged copyright infringements. This prevented me from being able to convert my Free Republic hobby into a membership system which would have given us the funds to operate and me a salary so that I could survive while working full time on Free Republic. So, the TalkSpot deal was perfect for us.
And about this time, Lucianne Goldberg contacted us and we began negotiating a deal where we could market the Linda Tripp tapes on the internet. TalkSpot would've been the perfect vehicle for doing that. Lucianne was asking six million dollars for the marketing rights of the tapes. We didn't know what the market was, but we were willing to gamble that enough people would pay five dollars per tape to listen to Monica as she literally torpedoes a sitting President, and that we could collect enough money to pay the six million and then share in any profits over that amount. Well, as it turns out, the OIC turned the tapes over to the Congress who released them to the public so that deal fell through. Too bad. Free Republic would've made history and would have been funded for life (nothing sinister in this negotiation as some have alleged).
Also about this time, a man named Don Adams (not yet a FReeper) was viciously attacked by paid union thugs at an anti-Clinton protest in Philadelphia. We had been planning a protest in Philadelphia for several days prior and I figured that the Clintonites had gotten wind of that (they lurk on FR daily) and had arranged for the union goons to break up our protest. When I realized that this is what had happened, I got pissed and decided it was time to pay a personal visit to Mr. Clinton and tell him that we're fed-up and we're not gonna take this crap anymore and we're gonna see him impeached!
I announced on the forum that I was gonna go to the Whitehouse and protest the President's beating of Don Adams and so the March for Justice was born. It was originally just gonna be protest outside the Whitehouse but more and more people and groups got involved and so it had to be moved to Lafayette Park where there is more room available, and then eventually to the Washington Monument. Then the expenses began racking up. A stage, a sound system, security, porta-potties, insurance, etc. (the insurance bill alone was over $15,000). But the FReepers were willing and happy to send the money to pay for all this (actually we did not receive enough to pay all and we had a debt for several months after the event. The debt was funded by Bob Johnson and eventually all was paid back through sales of FReeper Stuff). Thus was born the idea of raising funds on Free Republic for projects... again at the request of the FReepers and not me begging for money as some have alleged.
Then the Washington Post and the LA Times file suit. Clarity volunteers to defend Free Republic. The FReepers decide to send donations to cover out of pocket expenses for the case (we've only received about six thousand, so far, but have racked up bills of several times that amount. We will be needing lots more). I had a choice of fighting or folding. The FReepers volunteered to send money so we could fight so fight we will. Again, I'm not begging. If the FReepers would rather not spend their money on this, we'll fold and settle.
Bob Barr calls. Duty calls and the FReepers go to Washington again. Boston conceives the idea of an ad in the Washington Times to urge the House to move on the impeachment. The FReepers raise something like $15,000 to pay for the ad and some additional artwork. We also raise some money to pay for the rally. Somewhere in here, we raise money to pay for the publishing of Alamo-Girl's Clinton Downside Legacy and to deliver a copy to each Senator. Gonzo contributes $6,000 dollars to the fund, which he had loaned to us previously to cover some of expenses of the MFJ and now says we should keep as a donation rather than pay back. Again, I'm not begging for anything... Boston and his group wanted the ad and wanted us to raise money on FR to cover it. Nothing sinister here. I'm still a hobby not a business. And not begging for money as some allege.
The House Impeaches, the Senate fails the people, abrogates their duty, Clinton walks. Then he threatens to take revenge on our brave Managers. The FReepers go to Washington again. And again Boston raises money for another Washington Times ad. Again, the FReepers wanted it. I did not beg.
Free Republic is still a non-profit hobby, but because of the lawsuit we are forced to file as a limited liability company so that we can continue to operate and not risk further personal lawsuits. We incur more legal and organizing expenses. I'm already being sued as Free Republic, Electronic Orchard and Jim Robinson personal. If I lose the lawsuit, the Washington Post et al, own me lock stock and barrel. My total life and everything I own is at risk here, but I'm not begging. If you guys would rather I fold Free Republic and settle this lawsuit, then I'm outta here. Nothing sinister.
During all of this time, there were many, many discussions both on line and off about how to keep Free Republic afloat. Many proposals were made and considered. Some were in favor of charging either a fifty dollar per year membership fee or perhaps a ten dollar per month posting fee. Proposals were made to incorporate, to sell stock, or to file for non-profit status and look for large donors. All kinds of things were proposed, discussed, talked over and most were finally rejected. There was nothing sinister about any of these proposals. We were simply trying to find a way to keep Free Republic going, get it on some sort of predictable and solid financial footing and to have a reliable way to pay operating expenses and salaries for a few people to work full time on the project. We've settled on forming a non-profit and looking for donors as well as possibly selling memberships in an association. The Free Republic forum, however, will remain free and open.
Throughout all this I'm estimating that we have received something over $100,000 dollars which was used as follows:
These are estimates (in round numbers) from memory. I did not necessarily account by project. Most of this was done as a hobby, but some as a not-for-profit company. I have not done a final accounting yet, and the company has not yet filed a tax return other than the required annual minimum tax. The first tax return will not be due until next April.
The March for Justice........... $30,000 The Judgment Day Rally..... $8,000 The Washington Ad, etc........ $10,000 The Treason Ad, etc............. $10,000 Legal Fees and filing fees....... $6,000 The House Managers............ $5,000 Travel and Lodging............... $8,000 Operating Expenses............... $15,000 Misc Expenses...................... $3,000 Corp Taxes........................... $1,000
Ending cash balance.............. $8,000 ($6,000 earmarked for legal defense)
Personally, I had a savings account (in stock) worth about $39,000 when I started all this. I had a house and two trucks and a house full of beat up furniture. I had debts including a 100% mortgage and other personal debts totaling approximately $220,000.
Today, I still have the same house and mortgage (which has decreased by barely a dent), the same beat up furniture, but only one of the trucks (an 89 GMC utility vehicle). I still have debts of approx. $220,000 and I still have some stock in my savings account. It has approx. doubled in value through price appreciation even though I have sold approx. seventy percent of my shares over the last three years (latched onto a great internet stock, MSPG!). That and the after tax proceeds from my consulting contract (I did use a portion of it to purchase new computers and other equipment for me and John), plus any gifts I received from donors is what we've been living on. Other than the equipment listed above, I have not purchased anything other than normal clothing, repairs and groceries and normal living expenses since 1995. We have not traveled or taken any vacations or even weekends off (other than my three trips to Washington with Free Republic). We do not eat out. A special night out for us is Chris runs out and brings back a pizza or some Chinese and rents us a movie. Chris lives at home and cares for us and he goes to college. My sister-in-law comes over every weekday to help Sheila bathe and dress and help with the housework. I'm not pleading poverty, but I ain't rich either and I'm only a heartbeat away from bankruptcy. Oh, yeah. I also do not have any health insurance and my medical bills are growing. Hillary where are you? (LOL)
Please understand that we're happy as clowns and I'm not complaining. We thank the Lord daily for all our blessings. The only reason I'm writing this is because I've been accused by several on this forum and last night in print on Salon, that I'm ripping off the donors.
Well, I'm working double shifts seven days a week for Free Republic and I'm not getting paid a whit. And I sure as hell am not ripping off anyone. If any of you want to donate to keep Free Republic on the air, I'll thank you for that and we will appreciate it very much, but I'm not gonna beg anyone for it. If we can not fund Free Republic, she goes under and that's that. Now if anyone else ever accuses me again of being a crook, just beware. I'm gonna hunt you down and beat you senseless with my cane.
Jim Robinson
Thought would be a good time to re-post..Am I wrong in doing so?
1 posted on 10/30/2003 2:14 PM CST by dakine
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Well - you could've bumped the original.
2 posted on 10/30/2003 2:17 PM CST by TomServo ("Yes, I will take money from my dad's wallet and send it to Soupy Sales.")
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Interesting. I didn't even know there was an original.
3 posted on 10/30/2003 2:18 PM CST by ConservativeMan55 (The left always "feels your pain" unless of course they caused it.)
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No, old threads in the old format don't work with the new software. Those are read only, so bumping them is inconceivable impossible.
4 posted on 10/30/2003 2:18 PM CST by Lead Moderator
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Gotcha - thanks...
5 posted on 10/30/2003 2:19 PM CST by TomServo ("Yes, I will take money from my dad's wallet and send it to Soupy Sales.")
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That's a helluva profile page you have.
6 posted on 10/30/2003 2:20 PM CST by TomServo ("Yes, I will take money from my dad's wallet and send it to Soupy Sales.")
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Cheers to those heady days of 1998!
Impeaching a twice elected popular President? Only in America...
7 posted on 10/30/2003 2:21 PM CST by JohnGalt (And Even the Jordan Rivers' Got Bodies Floating)
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"Lead Moderator"
I've always wondered if there is a Gold Moderator and a Silver Moderator as well?
8 posted on 10/30/2003 2:22 PM CST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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James Golden.........RUSH'S BO SNERDLEY.......WHO KNEW!!!!!
9 posted on 10/30/2003 2:24 PM CST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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Impeaching a twice elected popular President
Sounds like you disapprove.
10 posted on 10/30/2003 2:27 PM CST by Nonstatist
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I've always wondered if there is a Gold Moderator and a Silver Moderator as well?
I wanna be the Chrome Moderator!
11 posted on 10/30/2003 2:28 PM CST by Flyer (You get more with a smile, a kind word and a gun than with a smile and a kind word)
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Hey, thanks for posting this. I had no idea....but have been curious....
12 posted on 10/30/2003 2:31 PM CST by tuckrdout
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Only to you, Statist.
The 1998 Impeachment was the greatest conservative-libertarian populist uprising we will ever know.
13 posted on 10/30/2003 2:31 PM CST by JohnGalt ("neo"-- prefix meaning the oppisite of the word that follows, ex. "neoconservative")
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I want to be the Plutonium Moderator (c8
14 posted on 10/30/2003 2:32 PM CST by Poohbah ("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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bump for more exposure...
15 posted on 10/30/2003 2:32 PM CST by dakine
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I'm glad you re-posted. We all need to be reminded of the hard work the Robinson's do for us.
16 posted on 10/30/2003 2:33 PM CST by RightWingMama
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That's a helluva profile page you have.
17 posted on 10/30/2003 2:34 PM CST by South40
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The Lead Moderator will becomes Gold Moderator when FR's Alchemy Branch perfects the philosopher's stone.
18 posted on 10/30/2003 2:34 PM CST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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Yea, but I thought you Birchers liked the fact that Klintoon was kind of isolationist-like. Pardon me if I misjudged you.
19 posted on 10/30/2003 2:35 PM CST by Nonstatist
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("Yes, I will take money from my dad's wallet and send it to Soupy Sales.")
Don't bother. He'll just squander it taking Peaches to the ball game...and buying banana cream pies...heh heh heh.
FMCDH
20 posted on 10/30/2003 2:36 PM CST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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LOL!!
21 posted on 10/30/2003 2:39 PM CST by TomServo ("Yes, I will take money from my dad's wallet and send it to Soupy Sales.")
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I am not a Bircher, Statist, and Clinton was an internationalist.
Clinton bombed a soveriegn nation of Orthodox Christians on an Easter Sunday lest we forget or let me guess you and your buddy Bill Kristol were excited to "crush Serb skulls."
Clinton was a leftwing neoconservative no doubt, but an internationalist all the same.
22 posted on 10/30/2003 2:40 PM CST by JohnGalt ("neo"-- prefix meaning the oppisite of the word that follows, ex. "neoconservative")
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Hey Birch boy! Clinton wouldnt have invaded Afghanistan or Iraq or any country that was even remotely contected to "national interest"; thats very consistent with what you Buchananites are always babbling about.
23 posted on 10/30/2003 2:46 PM CST by Nonstatist
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Jeepers! Thanks for the post.
24 posted on 10/30/2003 2:47 PM CST by lilylangtree
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You're welcome...bump for others!!
25 posted on 10/30/2003 2:50 PM CST by dakine
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Statist, I am not a Bircher or a Buchananite, my profile is very clear; just click on the name is it so hard?
Both Bush and Clinton have and did tend to attack countries that could not actually fight back while leaving the real criminals of the DC tax regime untouched in Saudi Arabia and North Korea. Clinton, of course tended, to bomb countries where there was no national interest, Bush at least could make a case that he bombed countries based on the idea of national interest. On the otherhand, Bush has not brought the boys home from Serbia yet so its hard to just give him a free pass on that situation.
26 posted on 10/30/2003 2:53 PM CST by JohnGalt ("neo"-- prefix meaning the oppisite of the word that follows, ex. "neoconservative")
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I don't think so. It is necessary to remember the time and effort that it takes to keep freedom free. I salute JimRob for his perserverance and dedication.
If I have to pay to keep this site around, I will...and already do.
I encourage all FREEPERS and LURKERS to donate. $5/month gets you the best news service going. Seems that every story on the wires comes through FR and gets its own commentary, which usually hilarious and always insightful.
And, if you don't think that your contributions don't help, take a look at this statistic:
As of 10/30/2003...
| Site | Today | 1 wk. Avg. | 3 mos. Avg. | 3 mos. Change |
| FreeRepublic.com | 979 | 1,126 | 953 | Down 40 |
| DemocraticUnderground.com | 5,648 | 6,650 | 5,018 | Down 1,386 |
27 posted on 10/30/2003 2:53 PM CST by mattdono (Big Arnie; "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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I should have added that this statistic is the ranking of FR on the Internet
28 posted on 10/30/2003 2:55 PM CST by mattdono (Big Arnie; "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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Not wrong, I think. There's lots of new blood lately and this may deflect a lot of repetitive questions. Might be time for a reposting of the FR lexicon and the HTML primer as well.
I'd forgotten what sort of a shoestring this place started on. Hard to believe.
29 posted on 10/30/2003 2:58 PM CST by Billthedrill
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leaving the real criminals of the DC tax regime untouched in Saudi Arabia and North Korea.
BirchBoy, I'm not a Statist. And as for the "real criminals", theres no way you AntiWar types would do anything whatsoever about the nutsoids in SA or NKorea. Just wash your hands and pretend the map ends at the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.
30 posted on 10/30/2003 2:58 PM CST by Nonstatist
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y'all need to take this off-line, I was hoping to give this some exposure....
31 posted on 10/30/2003 3:03 PM CST by dakine
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LOL, Statist.
Letters of marque and reprisal, anyone?
The criminals of 9/11 would be long since dead, rather than hiding in the mountains of our Pakistani 'ally.'
You are with the folks who actually thought Iraq was a bigger threat than North Korea...LOL indeed.
32 posted on 10/30/2003 3:03 PM CST by JohnGalt ("neo"-- prefix meaning the oppisite of the word that follows, ex. "neoconservative")
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I've been accused by several on this forum and last night in print on Salon, that I'm ripping off the donors.
I just wonder how many millions of dollars has Salon lost for its investors. Didn't Salon mislead those investors and mismanage their company. Salon is worth pennies on the dollar. Who knows, there are probably some people out of the streets pushing grocercy carts around because of Salon.
33 posted on 10/30/2003 3:05 PM CST by Always Right
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I also posted this a couple years later:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/580057/posts
Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson
Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.
We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.
We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.
The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.
The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.
We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.
Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.
I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.
There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.
Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.
Thanks,
Jim
34 posted on 10/30/2003 3:05 PM CST by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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We need this post once per year minimum.
It would also be nice to add onto the history available.
Does FreeRepublic now completely support itself on freeper donations?
Is Jim Robinson doing ALL RIGHT? He deserves much more than that hack Drudge has made.
And...for "Nonstatist"...Yes, Clinton would have gone into Iraq and Afghanistan, but in such a way as to maximize human casualties and concentrate terrorist attentions on the US, rather than Iraq.
35 posted on 10/30/2003 3:06 PM CST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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Sir, I wasn't trying to cause any problems, I just remember that I received thanks from many of the new members when I re-posted this last year...
36 posted on 10/30/2003 3:09 PM CST by dakine
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Sir.
If I were rich, I'd fund this site myself.
I've sent money in the past, if I can find a way to better make ends meet, I'll send money in the future.
37 posted on 10/30/2003 3:09 PM CST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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Might be time for a reposting of the FR lexicon and the HTML primer as well.
I agree... or post links to The History, Lexicon, and HTML Bootcamp on the FR front page, under a heading "For Newbies".
38 posted on 10/30/2003 3:10 PM CST by So Cal Rocket
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The criminals of 9/11 would be long since dead, rather than hiding in the mountains of our Pakistani 'ally.'
LOL!! Whatever you say, BirchBoy. (Ye of such muscular foreign policy determination).
39 posted on 10/30/2003 3:12 PM CST by Nonstatist
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That's not the history of Free Republic. THIS is the History of Free Republic:
40 posted on 10/30/2003 3:21 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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I also owe you some interesting work I've worked on for this fundraiser. I never completed it in time. It's just too much to do in a few evenings. We'll be ready for the next fundraiser tho.
41 posted on 10/30/2003 3:22 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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The funny thing is that you are a statist relative to me so the moniker I hang on you, Statist, is 'ironic'.
I, however, am not a Bircher.
LOL, indeed, witless.
42 posted on 10/30/2003 3:25 PM CST by JohnGalt ("neo"-- prefix meaning the oppisite of the word that follows, ex. "neoconservative")
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hahahaha....I have ONLY been around since early '98!!
43 posted on 10/30/2003 3:26 PM CST by dakine
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Right about the time some folks first started talking about the need for a "third party"...
44 posted on 10/30/2003 3:27 PM CST by seamole (Beware of diplomats bearing papers.)
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No, you are not wrong. Thank you for posting this. I'm sure there are others like me who had no idea of how Free Republic was started and what it takes to keep it going. May God Bless Jim, his family, and all the people who bring us Free Republic.
45 posted on 10/30/2003 3:31 PM CST by SamiGirl
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That's ok, I was just bringing the record up to date. I should've added an "all" to the to list.
And in between the two posts above, I also posted this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39e34e5f619f.htm
Server downtime due to increasing load - should we have a fundraiser to upgrade?
Activism/Chapters Breaking News Announcement
Source: Free Republic
Author: Jim Robinson
Posted on 10/10/2000 10:14:07 PDT by Jim Robinson
Very sorry about the erratic behavior of our server lately. The daily traffic has been increasing slowly, but steadily for the last few weeks and I expect that it will continue to grow until after the elections. Looks like we're going to need some new hardware and also a redesign of our database. The current design is CPU and memory intensive under heavy load. This is going to require time and money. We wanted to hold off on any fundraisers until after the judge rules on the lawsuit, but I do not know if we can make it. The ruling continues to be delayed for first one reason and then another and I do not expect it to be good for us anyway. We expect that we will be enjoined from posting full text and also there will either be attorney fees or damages awarded. We will immediately ask for a stay of execution while we appeal, but we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
In the meantime we are struggling. I hate to ask, but we've done just about everything we can to keep the server running with the current configuration. I guess the choice will be up to you, the Free Republic participants. Should we raise the money at this time for upgrades, even though we know that the traffic may be reduced as a result of the imminent order and /or it that it will probably fall off significantly after the elections? Or do we continue to wait?
This upgrade will be fairly significant. We already have two servers, each with dual processors. The solution will be to add another dual processor server, beef up the existing servers with more memory and more disk, and upgrade the software. The additional server will be used to process database searches only, to take the load off the database posting and web traffic servers. There will also be fairly significant changes required in the software, the operating systems, and the network to implement the new configuration. John will have his work cut out for him to get all of this accomplished within a short period.
I really did not want to do this at this time and have been delaying the inevitable, but now looks to me like we either have to do it or get used to struggling every day with a server that is constantly subject to overload conditions. Being as how we skipped our September quarterly fundraiser, we are also desperate for operating funds, and we have some additional legal exenses coming.
My savings are now totally tapped out, so all funds used in the operation from this point forward will have to come from donations. So what do you say folks? Should we continue to scrape by or should we attempt the upgrade?
46 posted on 10/30/2003 3:31 PM CST by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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"Lazamataz - member since 13,462 B.C."
Newbie.
47 posted on 10/30/2003 3:36 PM CST by Billthedrill
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Scuse me puttin' my nose in here, and I'll add right off, I have not contributed financially because I cannot. Because of this, I do not use the place as much as I could, but I still lurk often.
Jim, the only thing wrong with these whiners is they feel hurt because they don't get their way. You know me, and know I know what I'm talking about...I hope you do anyway.
Bottom line, money is tight, and because there is a conservative in the big chair, folks are more or less content compared to the clinton years. Things get tough, do what everyone else in business does. Scale back if you can. But don't "Go away" because of some morons.
People are always going to bitch. It's in our nature unfortunately. Just step above it and carry on my man.
I wish no matter how high on the IQ spectrum one is, or thinks they are, another can't become too tactless in telling them to go p*ss off. Sometimes, it would be all it would take.
48 posted on 10/30/2003 3:36 PM CST by sit-rep
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Can you tell us the status of FR's current legal situation?
Also...how are we doing bandwidth/server-wise?
I know that as Free Republic gets mentioned more in the public eye, more people will sign up.
How are we doing?
How are you doing?
49 posted on 10/30/2003 3:37 PM CST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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Heh heh heh heh.... :o)
50 posted on 10/30/2003 3:37 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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How are we doing?
How are you doing?
How d'ya like me so far? (vigorously shaking your hand)
51 posted on 10/30/2003 3:38 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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Both Bush and Clinton have and did tend to attack countries that could not actually fight back while leaving the real criminals of the DC tax regime untouched....
Wow.
52 posted on 10/30/2003 3:39 PM CST by Chancellor Palpatine (Dr. Hasslein was the only human character who had any sense in the "Apes" series)
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Refresh / Reload Liberty! Join www.PeopleForAFreeCountry.com
53 posted on 10/30/2003 3:39 PM CST by dighton (Neo-Conservative Power Vortex™)
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You've been better. How long until you're able to afford your meds again?
:-P
(You have to *know* I'm joking.)
54 posted on 10/30/2003 3:41 PM CST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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Can I reprint your tag line as a bumper sticker??
55 posted on 10/30/2003 3:43 PM CST by sit-rep
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You've been better. How long until you're able to afford your meds again?
(sobbing uncontrollably into my pillow)
56 posted on 10/30/2003 3:43 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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Did you once post under a different name at FR?
Why you and Statist wanted to mark up this thread I dunno, really, show some respect to the glory days of FR.
57 posted on 10/30/2003 3:43 PM CST by JohnGalt ("neo"-- prefix meaning the oppisite of the word that follows, ex. "neoconservative")
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1) Yes
2) It's not mine, it's only my paraphrasing of the Preamble to the Bill of Rights.
3) How much are you selling them for and how much goes to Free Republic?
58 posted on 10/30/2003 3:44 PM CST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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Gangup-pings to bombard a viewpoint you don't like isn't very attractive, bro. If you don't like Galt's message, you debate him.
Good, solid debate is stifled by gangup-pings, where a person is battered by six or seven posters at once. I once engaged in such tactics. I do not do that any more; I realize that drowning a man out with volume in no way adds to the quality of an argument, and in fact, dilutes it.
To the rest of you, please don't take the bait. Don't drown a man out with volume when CP's quality argument should take the day instead.
59 posted on 10/30/2003 3:49 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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LOL... Not selling/merchandizing, just been going over in my head lately what I can put in the back window of my work van...what message can I place there? I seen your tag line and thought it would be a decent start...
If however I get asked for a copy, I promise I allocate 5% to FR...LOL, just kidding! All will go to FR...
60 posted on 10/30/2003 3:50 PM CST by sit-rep
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"How d'ya like me so far? (vigorously shaking your hand)"
"Thank you very much. I'm here till Thursday. Try the veal"
61 posted on 10/30/2003 3:50 PM CST by truthandjustice1
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Gosh, Laz, I just got here. Still trying to get around that "porkies" thing in the pancakes & porkies breakfast for you. I've already rejected those soybean food product fake porkies--they're just too much like tofu turkey.
So what's this thread about exactly?
62 posted on 10/30/2003 3:52 PM CST by Catspaw
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Four or five ago, someone did a parody thread, "FR in the 1930s"--anyone still have that one handy?
63 posted on 10/30/2003 3:53 PM CST by JohnGalt (And Even the Jordan Rivers' Got Bodies Floating)
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Why you and Statist wanted to mark up this thread I dunno...
You're the guy playing at being a DIY proctologist while posting at FR; I'm just pointing it out.
64 posted on 10/30/2003 3:54 PM CST by Chancellor Palpatine (Dr. Hasslein was the only human character who had any sense in the "Apes" series)
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Gangup-pings to bombard a viewpoint you don't like isn't very attractive, bro. If you don't like Galt's message, you debate him. Good, solid debate is stifled by gangup-pings...
The operative phrase here is "good, solid debate". You can only have good, solid debate with a good, solid debater.
65 posted on 10/30/2003 3:55 PM CST by wimpycat
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So what's this thread about exactly?
It's like an ink blot.
It's whatever you want it to be.
To me, I see the milkman having sex with my mother and my dog, and beckoning me over by offering me ice cream.
But I have severe emotional problems, so that would figure. ;)
66 posted on 10/30/2003 3:56 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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Good, solid debate is stifled by gangup-pings, where a person is battered by six or seven posters at once. I once engaged in such tactics. I do not do that any more; I realize that drowning a man out with volume in no way adds to the quality of an argument, and in fact, dilutes it.
Ahhhhhhh... The days of ferrit and marcellus. I remember them well, and actually enjoyed taking on the tag teams. Puts you in the corner most visible. And if you're good(I cannot claim), you come out the victor...
67 posted on 10/30/2003 3:57 PM CST by sit-rep
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Right here on this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1011545/posts?page=40#40
68 posted on 10/30/2003 3:57 PM CST by Catspaw
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I've been pretty kind to you, ya know.
I'd lighten up a little.
69 posted on 10/30/2003 3:57 PM CST by JohnGalt (And Even the Jordan Rivers' Got Bodies Floating)
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while leaving the real criminals of the DC tax regime untouched in Saudi Arabia and North Korea
Bump later
70 posted on 10/30/2003 4:00 PM CST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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It's like an ink blot.
Ahhh, she says most knowingly and wisely, nodding from time to time, even though she doesn't have the faintest clue....but also reaching for the Shout spray, hoping the ink stain doesn't set.
71 posted on 10/30/2003 4:00 PM CST by Catspaw
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Why you and Statist wanted to mark up this thread I dunno
You leave your one-track scent on every thread you visit, Isolationist. Plus, you happen to be wrong about 50% of the time, which doesent help keep things too peaceful.. When someone sees a wasp buzzing around, its hard to refrain from giving it a good swat.
72 posted on 10/30/2003 4:00 PM CST by Nonstatist
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Right here on this thread:
No, I know which thread JG is referring to. It's a thread which parodies what FR would be like in the 1930's. Not what I wrote, someone else wrote this one.
73 posted on 10/30/2003 4:03 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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TY, I didn't even recognize it.
There is some solid inside humor in that piece.
74 posted on 10/30/2003 4:03 PM CST by JohnGalt (And Even the Jordan Rivers' Got Bodies Floating)
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So what's this thread about exactly?
Dakine posted that a .223 is way better than a .308, that Sherman was too kind to Atlanta, that Terri should have her tube jerked and that Elian is better off in Cuban military school where he belongs. Nothing particularly controversial.
75 posted on 10/30/2003 4:07 PM CST by Billthedrill
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Yes, this article SHOULD be posted every year. Actually, it should be posted more often than that -- every time that major and uninformed attack on how JimRob runs FreeRepublic rears its ugly head.
I've been here since 1998, and I learned some things from this which I had not known prior to now. There are not many people whom I respect totally, always, and without reservation. JimRob is one of those rare few -- and I wager the same goes for the attitudes that most other Freepers have about JimRob.
Congressman Billybob
76 posted on 10/30/2003 4:07 PM CST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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Yes, this article SHOULD be posted every year. Actually, it should be posted more often than that -- every time that major and uninformed attack on how JimRob runs FreeRepublic rears its ugly head.
I've been here since 1998, and I learned some things from this which I had not known prior to now. There are not many people whom I respect totally, always, and without reservation. JimRob is one of those rare few -- and I wager the same goes for the attitudes that most other Freepers have about JimRob.
Congressman Billybob
77 posted on 10/30/2003 4:07 PM CST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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Ahh, that is it. I was begining to think I invented it in my head.
Maybe someone out there bookmarked it...
I tried my best to find it on Google, and no luck.
78 posted on 10/30/2003 4:07 PM CST by JohnGalt (And Even the Jordan Rivers' Got Bodies Floating)
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If you see Laz's post #73, he wrote this one, but there's another "FR in the 30's" piece around here.
I like Laz's FR Back in Time piece just fine.
79 posted on 10/30/2003 4:07 PM CST by Catspaw
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Ahhh, she says most knowingly and wisely, nodding from time to time, even though she doesn't have the faintest clue....but also reaching for the Shout spray, hoping the ink stain doesn't set.
Ink blot tests. Rorschach tests.
80 posted on 10/30/2003 4:08 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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I am honored to be considered in the same foreign policy group as George Washington. Cheers to you!
BTW, I had no idea you were such a Clinton fan. Did you cry when he was Impeached?
81 posted on 10/30/2003 4:09 PM CST by JohnGalt (And Even the Jordan Rivers' Got Bodies Floating)
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The 1st freep - scorcher !
23"Oh, that my words were written!
Oh, that they were inscribed in a book!
24That they were engraved on a rock
With an iron pen and lead, forever!
25For I know that my Redeemer lives,
And He shall stand at last on the earth;
26And after my skin is destroyed, this I know,
That in my flesh I shall see God,
27Whom I shall see for myself,
And my eyes shall behold, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!
28If you should say, "How shall we persecute him?'--
Since the root of the matter is found in me,
29Be afraid of the sword for yourselves;
For wrath brings the punishment of the sword,
That you may know there is a judgment."
82 posted on 10/30/2003 4:12 PM CST by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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From my nostaligia piece last October,
Freeper JohnGalt to Marry on Saturday
I discovered the Internet: Beachbum’s Clinton Scandal Page, Vince Foster, Chinese Espionage, Matt Drudge and FreeRepublic. In March of ’97, I placed a VISUALIZE IMPEACHMENT bumpersticker on my ’88 Chevy Blazer.
In the early days of my Internet introduction to the fringes of American politics, I was to meet so many folks in weekly chat rooms to discuss philosophy and activist politics. We were libertarians and conservatives and some unrepentant leftists who understood the tools of the Internet better than any. We set out to do the unthinkable, impeach a popular president against insurmountable odds. Culturally, we were all different, much like the forefathers. There were libertines, evangelicals, puritans, and simple forefather enthusiasts who liked beer and football.
83 posted on 10/30/2003 4:17 PM CST by JohnGalt (And Even the Jordan Rivers' Got Bodies Floating)
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I had no idea you were such a Clinton fan.
Not a huge fan, but I do think he's kind of funky.
84 posted on 10/30/2003 4:18 PM CST by Nonstatist
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Yes, this article SHOULD be posted every year. Actually, it should be posted more often than that -- every time that major and uninformed attack on how JimRob runs FreeRepublic rears its ugly head.
I've been here since 1998, and I learned some things from this which I had not known prior to now. There are not many people whom I respect totally, always, and without reservation. JimRob is one of those rare few -- and I wager the same goes for the attitudes that most other Freepers have about JimRob.
Congressman Billybob
85 posted on 10/30/2003 4:24 PM CST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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I dunno, I loved Clinton at the 1999 Woodstock.
86 posted on 10/30/2003 4:26 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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I got most of the way through it, but then I fell apart at "sword control"....ROFLMAOSAOMAKB!!!!!!
87 posted on 10/30/2003 4:27 PM CST by stands2reason
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I really can't understand people....if one considers this to be the "ole sob story" yet again, why the hell read it??
It's kinda like buying a DVD, listending to it and deciding you don't like, then keep on listening to it only to complain about it over and over and over again.
88 posted on 10/30/2003 4:30 PM CST by Neets (Obsession, it's not just a fragrance.)
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Ow, we want the funk Give up the funk Ow, we need the funk We gotta have that funk (x2)
LOL! Is that funky or what! What a sublime Moth&%$^*ker!!
89 posted on 10/30/2003 4:32 PM CST by Nonstatist
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We settled the suit with the LAT/WP and all is fine on that front. We also settled the suit against eschoir and have paid about two thirds of the legal bills. We have one more year of payments left at $3,000 per month.
We have filed notice with the City of Fresno of our intent to sue for libel, defamation, etc, and they have 90 days to respond (less than 60 days left). They sent us a feeler recently regarding possible settlement and we've informed them that we are open to discussion. Have not heard back from them yet.
Our bandwidth/server situation is fine. John negotiated a new contract with our supplier at the end of last year, which brought our monthly rate significantly down.
And to bring the current state of my personal finances up to date, I still have the same house, the same mortgage, and the same beat up old '89 GMC Jimmy. We decided a couple years ago to take a trip to Texas for the NFRA convention so we bought a used van to make the trip. It's a '93 Mercury Villager that I bought out of the want ads for $5,000 from a little old lady who only drove it around town, but it runs great. We've now made two trips to Texas and have driven it all up and down the state of California to various rallies and events, etc. No problems.
Other than the van and some much need computer equipment and normal repairs and maintenance, etc, we've made no major purchases since I started FR. The last of my stock was sold to pay taxes. My savings have long been depleted.
My mortage is now down to around $165,000. I still have around $20,000 in personal debt, on which I'm making regular monthly payments, plus some current year tax liabilities (to the AFers: yes Mojo, I do pay my taxes).
And that's about it.
To sum it up, we're doing fine.
We aint rich, but, by the grace of God, we're not in the poorhouse either. And we're still happy as clowns and not complaining a bit.
Thank you all very much!!
And thank God for America and for the Liberty loving patriots who keep her free!!
90 posted on 10/30/2003 4:34 PM CST by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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You know, I've been thinking, and don't take this the wrong way, but I'm glad you don't live next door to me. :-)
91 posted on 10/30/2003 4:35 PM CST by stands2reason
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Laz, you are too funny! :):):)
92 posted on 10/30/2003 4:39 PM CST by blackie
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You know, I've been thinking, and don't take this the wrong way, but I'm glad you don't live next door to me. :-)
How do you know I don't?
With a high-power telescope trained on your house?
Hmmmmm?????
93 posted on 10/30/2003 4:41 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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The AFholes are truly something. They have a FOUR YEAR obsession with Free Republic. It's something else.
I guess a few more people than me need that 12-step program, huh? ;^)
94 posted on 10/30/2003 4:44 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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Eh YUP!!!
95 posted on 10/30/2003 4:45 PM CST by Neets (Obsession, it's not just a fragrance.)
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"That's a helluva profile page you have."
A load of bull to be sure. :-)
96 posted on 10/30/2003 4:45 PM CST by Rebelbase
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Take care Jim.
97 posted on 10/30/2003 4:46 PM CST by blackie
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Hmmmmm....you own a primer-colored '79 El Camino?
98 posted on 10/30/2003 4:47 PM CST by stands2reason
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What a sublime Moth&%$^*ker!!
No, actually, Brad Nowell is a Sublime Moth&%$^*ker. ;^)
99 posted on 10/30/2003 4:48 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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Hmmmmm....you own a primer-colored '79 El Camino?
My attorney has advised me not to answer.
(PS: I like it when you post in your underwear.)
100 posted on 10/30/2003 4:49 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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That's a helluva profile page you have.
Not to advertise, but.... mine ain't too tame neither.
101 posted on 10/30/2003 4:50 PM CST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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Not to advertise, but.... mine ain't too tame neither.
Laz - we already know you're full of bull. ;-)
102 posted on 10/30/2003 4:57 PM CST by TomServo ("Yes, I will take money from my dad's wallet and send it to Soupy Sales.")
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"running for my very life down the streets of Rome, as over a thousand chihuahuas and pomeranians nipped at my heels and caused my sneakers to become filled with blood"
Speechless..........ill get back to you on it, but really, im quite taken with the visual.
103 posted on 10/30/2003 4:57 PM CST by Rebelbase
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Dakine posted that a .223 is way better than a .308, that Sherman was too kind to Atlanta, that Terri should have her tube jerked and that Elian is better off in Cuban military school where he belongs. Nothing particularly controversial.
Oh, okay. As long as no one's fighting about it or anything. It's saved me from reading the whole thread--although I did catch that George Clinton thing. Always liked his hair.
104 posted on 10/30/2003 5:04 PM CST by Catspaw
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Jessica: Army used me
NY Daily News ^ | November 7, 2003 | CORKY SIEMASZKO
Posted on 11/07/2003 9:31 AM CST by presidio9
Jessica Lynch has angrily accused the Pentagon of using her for propaganda. The 20-year-old private, portrayed as a female Rambo after she was captured by Iraqis during a blazing gun battle, then freed by American troops, told ABC there was no reason for her rescue from an Iraqi hospital to be filmed.
"They used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff," Lynch said in an interview with Diane Sawyer that airs Tuesday, Veterans Day.
"Yeah, it's wrong," Lynch said. "I don't know why they filmed it, or why they say the things" they said.
That footage of U.S. commandos wheeling a grimacing Lynch to a waiting chopper was among the most dramatic of the war - and helped cement her image as a female warrior.
But Lynch said the true heroes were the soldiers who saved her.
"They're the ones that came in to rescue me," she said. "I'm so thankful that they did what they did; they risked their lives. ... They are my heroes."
She also disputed the Pentagon's early version of her capture by Iraqis, which suggested she had heroically defended herself - going down only after firing all her ammo.
Lynch says her M-16 jammed and she never got off a shot.
"My weapon did jam and I did not shoot, not a round, nothing," she said simply.
There was no immediate response from the Pentagon, which awarded Lynch a Purple Heart for her injuries.
ABC released excerpts of Lynch's first television interview yesterday after the Daily News obtained a copy of Lynch's authorized biography and revealed its most shocking secret - that she was raped by her Iraqi captors.
She has no memory of the rape. The book says there was a three-hour gap after her capture, a blank in her mind, during which she was assaulted.
"Even just the thinking about that, that's too painful," she told Sawyer.
Lynch said she was awakened from her stupor by searing pain.
"I seriously thought I was going to be paralyzed for the rest of my life," she told ABC.
The young soldier said at first she did not trust her Iraqi doctors - and tried to stifle her screams.
Trapped in her bed, Lynch said, she tried to tame her terror by thinking about her family, her fiancé, Sgt. Ruben Contreras, and her G.I. buddy Lori Piestewa.
After she was rescued, she learned Piestewa was dead.
In her book, "I Am a Soldier, Too," author Rick Bragg says the scars on Lynch's body and medical records indicate she was anally raped, and tells the reader to "fill in the blanks of what Jessi lived through on the morning of March 23, 2003."
Lynch says her unit was sent into battle armed only with M-16s - no grenades or anti-tank weapons - and in lumbering trucks that could not keep up with the convoy barreling toward Baghdad.
When the trucks in her unit tried to catch up, radio contact with the main convoy was lost - and so were they.
She was filled with foreboding.
"Jessi's fear of being left behind was beginning to come true," Bragg wrote.
1 posted on 11/07/2003 9:31 AM CST by presidio9
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Geez, from dissing the Iraqi who supposedly helped her to this, this Jessica Lynch thing is starting to get nasty. Too bad.
2 posted on 11/07/2003 9:35 AM CST by Hillary's Folly
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the Pentagon ?
how about the "news" media?
3 posted on 11/07/2003 9:36 AM CST by OXENinFLA ( Attempt to evaluate curvature at parametric singularity.)
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"They used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff," Lynch said in an interview with Diane Sawyer that airs Tuesday, Veterans Day. "Yeah, it's wrong," Lynch said. "I don't know why they filmed it, or why they say the things" they said.
So, dearest Jessica, you and your family have not benefitted financially from any of this?? Is that right?
With all due respect and gratitude for your service, PFC Lynch, shut the h*$% up!
4 posted on 11/07/2003 9:36 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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More like the real story is starting to come out.
5 posted on 11/07/2003 9:37 AM CST by SouthernFreebird
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In fairness, this was posted in the NY Daily News, which I think we can both agree is decidedly not a bastion of fair and balanced news.
6 posted on 11/07/2003 9:39 AM CST by presidio9 (a new birth of Freedom)
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She also disputed the Pentagon's early version of her capture by Iraqis, which suggested she had heroically defended herself - going down only after firing all her ammo.
Someone has told her wrong. I don't believe the Pentagon EVER put out that information. That stuff was contained in the Washington Post story that came out just after the firefight, but before she was rescued.
7 posted on 11/07/2003 9:40 AM CST by SuziQ
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Owl_Eagle
" WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH"
8 posted on 11/07/2003 9:40 AM CST by Owl_Eagle ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace;" –Thomas Paine)
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Yeah, could be. I don't know yet. There certainly are some hard feeling lurking under there.
9 posted on 11/07/2003 9:40 AM CST by Hillary's Folly
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The liberal media is in full attack mode against Lynch. They're trying to put off on the military what the Washington Post did.
10 posted on 11/07/2003 9:42 AM CST by #3Fan
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Her rifle jammed up? Wonder if she ever cleaned it?
11 posted on 11/07/2003 9:42 AM CST by AxelPaulsenJr (Proudly Not Reading The Headlines Since 1999)
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The weapon didn't jam if she never fired it.
If she thinks this type of publicity is bad, what would she think of the films of dead American soldiers being dragged through the mud during Vietnam? I would rather be filmed getting rescued than get filmed in a bodybag.
12 posted on 11/07/2003 9:42 AM CST by mbynack
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Jessica Lynch is a very brave soldier, but why would anyone want to potentially subject a woman to those sorts of torments by putting them in a dangerous situation in a battle zone? Call me chauvinist if you will, but I do not feel the need to purposefully subject women to the same risks as men in a war.
It seems incongruous at best. Feminists demand the right of women to be sexually assaulted and killed.
13 posted on 11/07/2003 9:42 AM CST by Zack Nguyen
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I wonder if she has any cheese & crackers for the WHINE!
While she was enlisted she was goverment property, to be used as needed by the DOD.
She has no complaints, just media spin!!
14 posted on 11/07/2003 9:43 AM CST by Knightsofswing (sic semper tranyis [death to tryants!!] & also improvise, adapt,&overcome& you can't fix stupid!)
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She is no hero.
15 posted on 11/07/2003 9:44 AM CST by bmwcyle (Hillary's election to President will start a civil war)
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The media is going to make her rich. The Iraqi and the U.S. only got her out.
16 posted on 11/07/2003 9:45 AM CST by AMNZ
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Are there transcripts of Pentagon/Centcom briefings where we have on-the-record accounts of Army/Pentagon officials saying that Jessica Lynch went down fighting?
17 posted on 11/07/2003 9:46 AM CST by petitfour
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Isn't it amazing that ONE GOOD STORY that emenates from the IRAQ WAR, i.e. the rescue of one of our POW's is somehow massaged by the mainstream media as being the Pentagon's trumped up Bullsh.t story. All with the help of the POW herself stating that she "FEELS" used. Very depressing!
I will never UNDERSTAND the need of most Americans to appear on TV and answer inane questions about how they FEEL about one subject or the other.
18 posted on 11/07/2003 9:46 AM CST by PISANO
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The weapon didn't jam if she never fired it.
Perhaps "didn't work" is a better term. So you're saying that she's a liar?
19 posted on 11/07/2003 9:46 AM CST by lelio
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I'm with you.
Look at the direct quotations. I'd have to see her very words, and watch for edit/snips.
If that is what she's saying, she's pretty low-rent. But I'd wait for the full disclosure.
Dan
20 posted on 11/07/2003 9:47 AM CST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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Are there transcripts of Pentagon/Centcom briefings where we have on-the-record accounts of Army/Pentagon officials saying that Jessica Lynch went down fighting?
What about pentagon officials trying to se the record straight then? They didn't go out of their way to say that this heroic figure story was fabricated.
21 posted on 11/07/2003 9:47 AM CST by lelio
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At the beginning of the article it says that she said there was no need for the rescue and then she says she was so glad they rescued her,anybody else catch that?
22 posted on 11/07/2003 9:48 AM CST by eastforker (Money is the key to justice,just ask any lawyer.)
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She is being honest. Do you expect her to lie and take another one for the team?
Her company got lost, her humvee got hit by an RPG, and she crashed into another vehicle, breaking her legs, and her back, she tried to fire her weapon, it was jammed. She wakes up 3 hours later in excruciating pain, and she is being treated by civilian hospital workers who treat her compassionately. She gets rescued, and they videotape it. She finds out her best friend died, people are claiming that she did a rambo, was shot and stabbed, and that a guy she can't recall meeting in the hospital claims that she was being tortured in the hospital.
What do you expect from her? To pretend she is Rambo? To pretend that after suffering, that she thought it was a neat idea for her privacy to be violated by tv cameras being hooked up to Rangers so her rescue could be used for war propaganda? Yeah, she is just an ungrateful little witch.
23 posted on 11/07/2003 9:50 AM CST by dogbyte12
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My bad,after rereading I see she meant there was no need to film it,wonder why she thinks that.I wonder who got into her head?
24 posted on 11/07/2003 9:50 AM CST by eastforker (Money is the key to justice,just ask any lawyer.)
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Certainly a differant way to hype a book, that's for sure.
25 posted on 11/07/2003 9:51 AM CST by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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What do you expect from her? To pretend she is Rambo? To pretend that after suffering, that she thought it was a neat idea for her privacy to be violated by tv cameras being hooked up to Rangers so her rescue could be used for war propaganda? Yeah, she is just an ungrateful little witch.
I expect her not to publicly bash the Army for promoting the very incident from which she is now profiting.
26 posted on 11/07/2003 9:52 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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I will bet the military films a lot of stuff that we never see. I will bet they film almost everything. I will bet they use it for training and after action reports. This one was released for the public.
27 posted on 11/07/2003 9:52 AM CST by eyespysomething (As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. (Proverbs 27:17))
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I read it that she said:
"...there was no reason for her rescue from an Iraqi hospital to be filmed"
28 posted on 11/07/2003 9:54 AM CST by KC Burke
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Seems only logical to me that this type of rescue or other significant NIGHTIME special operations are FILMED for later "LESSONS LEARNED" review.
29 posted on 11/07/2003 9:56 AM CST by PISANO
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Yup, I posted back at the beginning of the Jessica hoopla it was going to hit the fan. Still having problems with all the "but it was jammed" stories.
30 posted on 11/07/2003 10:02 AM CST by mtbopfuyn
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"With all due respect and gratitude for your service, PFC Lynch, shut the h*$% up!"
couldn't have said it better! I'm sorry it happened, glad she survived, and hope she lives a long, happy life, but I've heard enough about her. Yeah the army used her but she was the one who first used the army. She enlisted for the benefits, never fully considering the payment that the army could demand someday.
31 posted on 11/07/2003 10:04 AM CST by 1riot1ranger
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The one thing I get out of all of this is that PFC Lynch is deeply emotionally disturbed, and the media has seized on that and are using it to the advantage of their own agenda. Everybody here needs to keep that in mind.
BTW, this is another reason why women do not belong in combat, but that's another story...
32 posted on 11/07/2003 10:05 AM CST by presidio9 (a new birth of Freedom)
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Ok. So, this is all an elaborate scheme by the U.S. government, including the President, the Pentagon, the Army, etc..
Pvt. Lynch, the Pentagon and the Army would (rightly) expect you to fight to the death, so there is no reason for them to think that you wouldn't do that. It doesn't matter that you are in vehicle maintenance or not...you're a solider. Now, initial reports are often (usually) wrong and those doing the briefing that Sunday morning explained that they didn't know all the details. Perhaps someone in the command chain wanted you to have dignity as a soldier (i.e., figthing their heart out)? This wouldn't be some scheme of the Pentagon. This would be one soldier wanted another soldier be portrayed in a dignified light.
I don't see anything wrong with that. Now, that shouldn't (and isn't) the ultimate conclusion of the story.
If Pvt. Lynch says that he weapon jammed, I am sure that the Pentagon believes her. We know that they debriefed her and the official record would reflect her account of the last moments before her capture, including her M-16 jamming.
That initial reports are wrong and those stories reported seem more "romantic" than what actually happened, shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Half of the stories about historical events in the "Old West" are WAY over glorified and over dramatized.
Everyone knows about the so-called "Fog of War", which explains PRECISELY why her rescue was filmed. Too many would question what the rescuers did and how it went down.
Was the rescue a really "hot" extraction? Not particularly.
Was it fairly documentary in nature? Yes, in military terms...inlcuding the "Matrix" green nightvision effect.
Was it dramatic? Of course, Pvt Lynch. Many Americans had been praying for your safe return and being able to see your relatively mundane extraction was quite dramatic.
Did the Pentagon use this for some proganda purposes? I don't think so at all. Americans got what they wanted: their prayers answered for a soldier's return. The fact that they got to see it happen was captivating, but the real benefit was that you were coming home.
So, perhaps, you can keep your comments to yourself about "being used".
Doesn't seem to me that the President, Don Rumsfeld, or General Meyers is being paid for the Jessica Lynch story. Are they?
33 posted on 11/07/2003 10:08 AM CST by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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"What about pentagon officials trying to se the record straight then? They didn't go out of their way to say that this heroic figure story was fabricated. "
Is it their job to read every newspaper account and then have a press conference to correct all the wrong stories? I don't think so. I *think* they have more important things to do.
34 posted on 11/07/2003 10:08 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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I will bet the military films a lot of stuff that we never see. I will bet they film almost everything. I will bet they use it for training and after action reports. This one was released for the public.
This is correct. US Marine Force Recon films all of their ops in order to review them to figure out what went right/wrong and improve their skills. I am not sure who did the raid, but the other units out there can't be doing things too differently. I am sure the filming was standard operating procedures.
35 posted on 11/07/2003 10:09 AM CST by killjoy
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"At the beginning of the article it says that she said there was no need for the rescue"
It looks like she was saying there was no need tol FILM the rescue. But she was rescued nonetheless and shouldn't be complaining. She making a lot of money out of this.
36 posted on 11/07/2003 10:10 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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Hmm, I never heard about the US Army "using" her, but I did hear something about the Iraqi Military USING her.
We should have left her in that Iraqi Hospital she loved so much. Then Sean Penn could have come visit her.
37 posted on 11/07/2003 10:11 AM CST by NormB
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So, should we expect to see her dissing Bush at the Boston convention next summer?
38 posted on 11/07/2003 10:12 AM CST by GraniteStateConservative ("We happy because when we switch on the TV you never see Saddam Hussein. That's a big happy.")
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To pretend that after suffering, that she thought it was a neat idea for her privacy to be violated by tv cameras being hooked up to Rangers so her rescue could be used for war propaganda?
Her privacy violated??? She was in the US Army, and a POW!
39 posted on 11/07/2003 10:12 AM CST by Hacksaw
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Her whole family sucked all that media attention right up. They didn't even attempt to keep things private. The problem here is that she's blaming to wrong people for all the media attention. It's not the pentagon's fault, it's the media and her family's fault.
40 posted on 11/07/2003 10:12 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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So, dearest Jessica, you and your family have not benefitted financially from any of this?? Is that right?
With all due respect and gratitude for your service, PFC Lynch, shut the h*$% up!
So, in your opinion, it's ok for the Government to lie to it's citizens as long as someone benefits financially.
41 posted on 11/07/2003 10:14 AM CST by Travis Bickel (You talkin' to me?)
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I don't expect Jessica Lynch to know how to diplomatically handle any of this. I hope no one does.
She is a survivor of a nightmare. Then she comes back to the USA to be confronted with bizzarro world Media accounts.
I think this is whole thing is sad.
Stop by to learn more about and support Lt. Col. Allen B. West I spoke to him last night and his lawyer will be sending more information that will soon be posted.
42 posted on 11/07/2003 10:17 AM CST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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Geez, from dissing the Iraqi who supposedly helped her to this, this Jessica Lynch thing is starting to get nasty. Too bad.
Dissing that Iraqi was unforgivable...fact is, the "doctors" weren't able to communicate with coalition forces, and that Iraqi guy had to earn the trust of the Americans by returning repeatedly to the hospital to gather intel.
Got to cut her some slack, though...the pain and all.
But, still...
43 posted on 11/07/2003 10:17 AM CST by Lael (Bush to Middle Class: Send your kids to DIE in Iraq while I send your LIVELIHOODS to INDIA!)
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But Lynch said the true heroes were the soldiers who saved her.
"They're the ones that came in to rescue me," she said. "I'm so thankful that they did what they did; they risked their lives. ... They are my heroes."
Sawyer and the other America-hating lefties are perhaps twisting Jessica's words against her, selectively editing what she says and taking statements out of context. I think this quote shows that.
44 posted on 11/07/2003 10:18 AM CST by ikka
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You obviously haven't served in the military.
When you are a soldier, privacy isn't an issue. The U.S. government has a responsibility to capture indcidents on the battlefield accurately. There are teams of military personnel that are charged with deciphering what happened on the battlefield and this certainly (maybe most especially) extends to the rescue of a soldier. The film provided as precise a record of the rescue as possible..
Also, you said that her back was broken at the wreck, but Private Lynch admits that she tried to fire her M-16 but it jammed. If she did try to fight with a broken back, wouldn't that be, at least, valiant?
Is it Rambo? No, but it would certainly explain why the initial reports had her fighting valiantly. One, because it is what a soldier does and, two, she did try to fight, but her weapon jammed.
45 posted on 11/07/2003 10:19 AM CST by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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So, in your opinion, it's ok for the Government to lie to it's citizens as long as someone benefits financially.
Very interesting opinion you've assigned to me, considering my comment was directed at her "using me" statement.
46 posted on 11/07/2003 10:19 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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I said all along that Jessica Lynch is no hero, but now I'm not so sure. This kid, (and yes, she is just a kid), has been used by the feminists, the liberal media, the US Army and even by the ghost writer who is making money on her painful story.
Let's just look at some of the facts. Lynch is a teenage girl who joins the Army so she can take advantage of the GI Bill and get some schooling later on. She gets sent to the front of the Iraq war and gets all torn up in an accident, and then gets captured by the smelly camel-jocky barbarians and raped. They treat her severe injuries in a "hospital" that couldn't pass for a skid row outhouse in America. She has shattered bones and injuries that put her in excruciating pain and will leave her partially disabled for life.
The real heros, (Special Forces and Marines), show up and rescue her.
Now she lies on a hospital bed in Germany, still in a stupor. Meanwhile, certain powers and forces back home want to use her for their own personal gain. The feminists want to make into an American icon, a female "David" who slayed the Iraqi "Goliath". The liberal media want to use her for essentially the same purposes, and to sell newspapers. ALL the media, including conservative t.v. networks like FOX, invade her hometown neighborhood and set up a three ring circus of cameras, lights, microphones and talking heads to try get an interview with her family. All the while she lays in a hospital bed in Germany slowly recovering from the severe physical and emotional trauma she had been subjected to. An Army spokesman reveals that Jessica cannot remember much of the trauma, and that it will be weeks before she can even get up and try to walk around.
Months later Jessica finally heals enough to walk and talk and answer questions by the newshounds and those with a personal agenda. She has the chance of a lifetime to become a national hero, (and rich), if she just plays their game. But Jessica also knows that she is being used as a political football, a "thing", by all sides, for their own gain. She's still just a kid, mind you, trying to make sense of it all, trying to decide what to do. Here is where she becomes a hero in my mind. She decides not to play the game of Wonder Woman and reveals that she never even fired her weapon. She admits that her rescuers were the real heros of this story. She doesn't want ANYONE, not the media, not the feminists, not even the Army to say or indicate things that would maker her out to be a hero. She just wants to be Jessica Lynch, a cute little blonde girl from W. Virginia. She wants to get on with her life and get back to normal. She knows this will never happen. Thank you, Jessica Lynch for your service and for being so honest and humble. I am sorry that people on all sides of this story want to use for their personal gain, or to trash you for not being what they want you to be, and for not saying what they want you to say. You are indeed brave, and you are in my prayers.
47 posted on 11/07/2003 10:21 AM CST by TheCrusader
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In fairness, this was posted in the NY Daily News, which I think we can both agree is decidedly not a bastion of fair and balanced news.
And what does that have to do with quotes by her and excerpts from her book? Sometimes the messenger doesn't matter. Like now.
MM
48 posted on 11/07/2003 10:21 AM CST by MississippiMan
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She sounds to stupid to realize that Diane Sawyer is the one exploiting her. The Pentagon did not air the footage over and over like the media did.
Frankly if she were not soldier enough to go down fighting she should not have been a soldier.
49 posted on 11/07/2003 10:24 AM CST by alisasny (THANKYOU environmentalists for making the 2003 fire season all it could be)
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You people who are bashing what she said did not read the article. Be careful about excerpts.
She is giving all the Jessica bashers the truth you all have been calling for, that she was not some she-rambo movie herione, that the real heroes were her rescuers and saying that others have used her story and hyped it without accuracy and without her participation in it.
I see that on FR, there really is no way for this girl to be right. FR can bash her no matter what she does.
50 posted on 11/07/2003 10:24 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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After reading Black Hawk Down I realize cameras & film seem to be used in a very tactical way in many Ranger operations.
It enhances their capabilities. Shall we endanger more soldiers for a supposed right to privacy?
I think the issue may be whether or not to use that footage publicly. I would argue that a soldier, not like ordinary citizens, signs away any rights to that footage when they enlist, and justifiably so.
-- lates
-- jrawk
51 posted on 11/07/2003 10:24 AM CST by jrawk
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If this was media concoction, then why did the Pentagon let it stand?
52 posted on 11/07/2003 10:24 AM CST by joesbucks
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Lori Piestwa is the real warrior compared to this yo-yo Lynch.
53 posted on 11/07/2003 10:25 AM CST by gitmogrunt (Not tough enough on the religion of peace)
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Good synopsis. Let's remember that the media, reacting to public thirst, blew this story up to giant status. It became a megastory.
As a citizen, I'm often disgusted with megastories, they suck up all the oxygen and the hundred other good stories go ignored.
The networks pounded this story hard, thinking it was the only PC way to support the war. Save Girl sounds better the the left than Win War.
Win War works for me, but the only decent reporting on the war was on FoxNews or here at FR.
One more reason the networks are irrelevant.
54 posted on 11/07/2003 10:26 AM CST by moodyskeptic (weekend warrior in the culture war)
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Is it their job to read every newspaper account and then have a press conference to correct all the wrong stories? I don't think so. I *think* they have more important things to do.
No it's not their job to read every news story. However, this was not some remote obscure story. It is a well known story, shown on television through night scope. You would have to be hiding under a rock not to know it.
It made for good PR and the military let it stand.
55 posted on 11/07/2003 10:27 AM CST by joesbucks
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Win War works for me, but the only decent reporting on the war was on FoxNews or here at FR.
This story was also used on Fox frequently. They are just as complicit.
56 posted on 11/07/2003 10:28 AM CST by joesbucks
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"It made for good PR and the military let it stand. "
So what were they supposed to do? Demand the media shut up about it? I don't think they have that power.
57 posted on 11/07/2003 10:29 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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An article consisting of a manipulation of her by ABC, distorted by the Daily News...
and people are drawing conclusions from it as if it were gospel.
58 posted on 11/07/2003 10:30 AM CST by mrsmith
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That's a fair point. I agree that her humbleness is to be admired and she rightly points out that the real heroes are those who rescued her.
However, in her effort to deflect the praise of being a hero, she necessarily made it out like the Pentagon had some elaborate plan to "use" her and her rescue.
And that's just wrong for her to do.
In fact, one could argue that her statements about not knowing "why they would film [the rescue]" gives an impression that they didn't need to film the rescue. The comments suggests somehow that the rescue was "staged" (or some other word that denigrates what those Special Forces and Marines did).
That is an insult to those brave men that rescued her.
[Aside: Think about who she means when she says "they". She isn't talking about her rescuers, she is referring to the Pentagon and military commanders, etc.]
That's why I suggested in this post that she keep her comments to herself. If she wants to be humble and deflect praise, fine. But, don't deflect that praise at someone else's expense.
59 posted on 11/07/2003 10:31 AM CST by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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"I see that on FR, there really is no way for this girl to be right. FR can bash her no matter what she does. "
I actually defended her until I saw the comments about her feeling used by the pentagon (or military or whatever.) It's the media that used her. And her family completely cooperated.
60 posted on 11/07/2003 10:31 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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The more I think about this, I can understand how a girl who answers, "I didn't shoot nothing," when asked about her Rambo actions, would feel used by the US military. She joined the Army in order to one day be able to go to college. She was sent into a war zone with an inoperable weapon (which probably saved her life because I bet those Iraqis would have taken her out if she had been firing on them). She should never have been there. She was rescued by an elite rescue squad, and she probably wasn't real familiar with their tactics and actions. Those folks are highly specialized with each member trained to do certain jobs, including providing the best medical care on a battlefield. They are the ones you want to come get you when you're down. These folks came in there after her and faced no fight. They were potentially rescuing a victim of some type of biological disease/virus that could kill even them. The military had to exercise extreme caution because she could have been a carrier, left to be rescued. And this is sounding like some thriller novel, but it was a possibility. Maybe Jessica did not like the overly cautious treatment. Maybe Jessica's family was told things by Army personnel, and they later learned the stories were false. Even Army personnel read newspapers and get stories wrong. Jessica is YOUNG, and she has been through a tremendous ordeal, physically, mentally, and emotionally. Hopefully, she will gain some wisdom from all of this. Someone has mistakenly told her to tell all now while it is still marketable. I think she will change her views over time.
Imagine women in combat in Vietnam. Imagine women in combat in WWII. Do we not have any real men in DC anymore? I would like to hear some of the male politicians say, "I wouldn't send my daughter into combat, and I wouldn't send yours." And hogwash on any feminists saying that women should have the same opportunities as men. How many women market themselves as mercenaries without the promise of a college education and "seeing the world"??????
61 posted on 11/07/2003 10:33 AM CST by petitfour
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"I expect her not to publicly bash the Army for promoting the very incident from which she is now profiting"
That's b.s., she never asked for the propaganda and promotion, and if she decided to play the game and live the lie she could have made out far better. She was lying on a hospital bed in Germany, broken, battered and paralysed, while all this "Hero" $hit was coming down back home without her knowledge.
She doesn't want to live her life in a lie or in a false state of adulation for something she didn't do. This is a remarkably mature and humble young lady. And she isn't trashing the Army, she's trashing ALL the idiots out there who wanted to make something out of nothing, and turn her into a feminist icon. She just wants to tell the truth and be herself; she obviously has a strong moral code that has been lost on most Americans of this generation. Jessica Lynch is just a kid who is being grabbed at from all sides of our greedy society, by everyone who wants to USE her for their own selfish purposes. She is showing me that her faith and personal integrity are stronger than the jerks who want to either immortalize or destroy her. JESSICA LYNCH HAS WON MY RESPECT.
62 posted on 11/07/2003 10:33 AM CST by TheCrusader
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That stuff was contained in the Washington Post story that came out just after the firefight, but before she was rescued.
Exactly right. There were no sources mentioned.
Being a liberal requires selective amnesia, since some months ago the left was saying the rescue was bogus, and she was in no danger.
I originally thought the Pentagon kept Lynch under wraps due to her precarious mental state. Now I wonder if they kept her incommunicado because they realized she could potentially undermine the morale of the troops during the war.
Basically, the girl would be much better off keeping her mouth shut, since her lack of sophistication is making her a pawn for the media -- but the lure of money and fame has apparently trumped integrity.
63 posted on 11/07/2003 10:34 AM CST by browardchad
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Gee, Jessica, how about some thanks for them risking their lives to get you out of there.
Such an ungrateful idiot. I have lost respect for her. Maybe our soldiers would have found more favor if one or two had died moving her out of there.
64 posted on 11/07/2003 10:36 AM CST by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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Whoa Whoa Whoa! Read The entire thread before you accuse people of things. I never "bashed" PFC Lynch.
65 posted on 11/07/2003 10:37 AM CST by presidio9 (a new birth of Freedom)
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"She's a 20 year girl from West Virginia, I think she knows how the big media game is played."
66 posted on 11/07/2003 10:38 AM CST by conserv13
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Diane Sawyer... I wonder how much editing has been done to this interview to make the Army look bad???
67 posted on 11/07/2003 10:39 AM CST by abner (In search of a witty tag line...)
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"Her whole family sucked all that media attention right up. They didn't even attempt to keep things private."
You gotta be $h-tting me, right? The media circus invaded her hometown like an army of poop-seeking flies and her parents stood there for a few minutes and answered a few questions before boarding a plane for Germany to see Jessica. Her mom said almost nothing at all, her dad spoke a few bashful words in a most humble fashion. The media circus hung around for days trying to make something out of nothing. I think Jessica Lynch and her entire family are outstanding Americans. Humble, honest and full of faith. Jessica has told all parties involved in trying to use her to go take a flying leap. GOD BLESS HER.
68 posted on 11/07/2003 10:39 AM CST by TheCrusader
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The pentagon did release the story that was printed... So I hear. I honestly don't think the she-rambo element of the story got as much play as the sweet girl next door damsel in distress element of the story did, the point is the story got HUGE without Jessica making it huge.
These are excerpts. Be careful about excerpts from books that can place more weight on the pentagon statement than she intended. I am SURE the media is also mentioned in overblowing her story. Perhaps this article didn't want to focus on that.
With regards to her family and Jessica cooperating.... When they are parked on your lawn 24-7 and you handle the media with any more class than her family has... I think you will have room to talk. I respected them, her family and her brother are on our side.
These are Americans, this family. This soldier is an American who has not acted in any way to dishonor herself. It should NOT take more than that to gain her some simple respect.
69 posted on 11/07/2003 10:42 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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You gotta be $h-tting me, right? The media circus invaded her hometown like an army of poop-seeking flies and her parents stood there for a few minutes and answered a few questions before boarding a plane for Germany to see Jessica. Her mom said almost nothing at all, her dad spoke a few bashful words in a most humble fashion. The media circus hung around for days trying to make something out of nothing. I think Jessica Lynch and her entire family are outstanding Americans. Humble, honest and full of faith. Jessica has told all parties involved in trying to use her to go take a flying leap. GOD BLESS HER.
Yes.... Thank you!
70 posted on 11/07/2003 10:43 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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Beginning to sound like all we did was save a liberal shill for future trashing of the Country! Sure hope not! Just goes to show ya what happens when you hang around with managed news media types.
71 posted on 11/07/2003 10:44 AM CST by winker
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"The problem here is that she's blaming to wrong people for all the media attention. It's not the pentagon's fault, it's the media and her family's fault."
Face the facts, the Pentagon had the film rolling and the special effects sparkling, (the Marines firing into the night at nothing). They gave the media the film footage of the "rescue", replete with a staged "battle" of tracers slicing through the night air. I am a STAUNCH conservative and Bush supporter, but for chrisakes give this girl some credit for telling the truth.
72 posted on 11/07/2003 10:44 AM CST by TheCrusader
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So, in your opinion, it's ok for the Government to lie to it's citizens as long as someone benefits financially
Well, you know, they had a meeting about that and Sec. Rumsfeld discussed with the President how they could manage some good press from a woman POW. It was not a snap decision because I hear that Bush called in Cheney and Rice to get their input.
Finally it was decided that - yes - release the film. If they did not, the media would probably claim that our boys destroyed the hospital as they got her out.
I know - we just can never believe this administration - they seem to always seek to make their jobs so much easier, to please all members of the U.N., to pacify the press. You know sometimes the war just has to go on the back burner since so much time has to be spent on the lies.
73 posted on 11/07/2003 10:45 AM CST by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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I agree with post 42 on the Jessica Lynch story. She has gone through way too much to expect her to be able to handle the media manipulation. I wish she and her family had shut the door on ABC, but someone dangled that book $ and it was hard to pass on.
Sgt. York of WWI handled it better, but he was age 29 and not severely wounded. Plus, there wasn't the circus of TV and media back then. Audie Murphy did some movies. I can't figure how he relived the hell he had experienced, considering he had what we would now call post traumatic stress disorder. He slept with a loaded .45 for years and had a lot of emotional ups and downs. Living after being named a hero is no picnic.
74 posted on 11/07/2003 10:45 AM CST by RicocheT
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I seem to remember several press conferences from her dad. Not just the one before getting on the plane to go see her.
75 posted on 11/07/2003 10:45 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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she certainly deserved to be saved, she's our soldier after all. but this criticism of the "filming" is totally out of line, and she does not understand the media is using her to trash the military.
this is going to cost her book sales, and I for one won't be watching her movie now.
76 posted on 11/07/2003 10:46 AM CST by oceanview
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Relax. I simply replied to post 1. That's you. And pinged some other people who haven't even been on the thread.
77 posted on 11/07/2003 10:46 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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An article consisting of a manipulation of her by ABC, distorted by the Daily News... and people are drawing conclusions from it as if it were gospel.
Exactly. There are four threads describing her ability to survive today and yet this one thread based on shoddy reporting gets all the bashers to flock to it so they can bash this POW some more. They believe what they want to believe and the press in in full "attack Lynch"/"attack the military" mode and these bashers eat it up with no questions asked.
78 posted on 11/07/2003 10:47 AM CST by #3Fan
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"Me thinks the lady doth protest too much."
79 posted on 11/07/2003 10:47 AM CST by onedoug
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However, in her effort to deflect the praise of being a hero, she necessarily made it out like the Pentagon had some elaborate plan to "use" her and her rescue. And that's just wrong for her to do. In fact, one could argue that her statements about not knowing "why they would film [the rescue]" gives an impression that they didn't need to film the rescue. The comments suggests somehow that the rescue was "staged" (or some other word that denigrates what those Special Forces and Marines did). That is an insult to those brave men that rescued her.
Well said!
80 posted on 11/07/2003 10:48 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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including conservative t.v. networks like FOX
I won't quibble with your characterization of FNC as conservative. But where's the other one?
81 posted on 11/07/2003 10:48 AM CST by AmishDude
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Well, i guess I'll have to read the book to see how things are put together and what is said about who.
82 posted on 11/07/2003 10:48 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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You have the media invade your lawn and live there for weeks interested in your daughter who you are terribly worried about and interested in. And you handle it better.
83 posted on 11/07/2003 10:48 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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Relax. I simply replied to post 1. That's you. And pinged some other people who haven't even been on the thread.
Since you were fooling around in the in box, would it have killed you to remove my name?
84 posted on 11/07/2003 10:48 AM CST by presidio9 (a new birth of Freedom)
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You are right. Now you gotta wonder, what did she say and what did they say she said. She is either being missled or she's an ingrate.
85 posted on 11/07/2003 10:48 AM CST by AMNZ
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JESSICA LYNCH HAS WON MY RESPECT.
Then I guess that makes up for her losing mine.
86 posted on 11/07/2003 10:49 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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"I see that on FR, there really is no way for this girl to be right. FR can bash her no matter what she does."
You are right, sir. Thise nitwits are pissed off at Jessica Lynch because she refused to play their game and dance for them. I'm a staunch conservative and I fully back President Bush. But this does it for me. I don't think I can come back in here and make another post. These folks are like vicious dogs, so highly trained in one way of thinking that even when their "side" is wrong they just make up some stupid excuse for overlooking the truth and keep right on rolling merrily along. I'm outta here.
87 posted on 11/07/2003 10:49 AM CST by TheCrusader
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Face the facts, the Pentagon had the film rolling and the special effects sparkling, (the Marines firing into the night at nothing). They gave the media the film footage of the "rescue", replete with a staged "battle" of tracers slicing through the night air. I am a STAUNCH conservative and Bush supporter, but for chrisakes give this girl some credit for telling the truth.
Well, without the last sentence, that paragraph sounds like it came straight from DU.
88 posted on 11/07/2003 10:49 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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Nasty? By telling the truth? That she can't understand why she's being portrayed as a hero, when in fact she merely survived? When all of her comrades died, and other came in gun blazing to rescue her?
You think Humility and Honesty are nasty traits?
There is no doubt propoganda was used around her rescue, and I personally am glad to see she is not letting all this hoopla go to her head, and is showing true respect for her fallen comrades. (I do have to question her $1MM book deal) But that's the only thing I can complain about.
Just imagine if she had been someone like a Bubba, or a Dachle or a Gore... and came back that way... she'd have spun her own press into that she single handedly won the war by now.
89 posted on 11/07/2003 10:50 AM CST by HamiltonJay
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Sorry I pinged you so rudely.... I really am.
90 posted on 11/07/2003 10:51 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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Oh dear me. How disappointing that this American hero would make such a shabby charge. Our government has not "used' her in any way. The print and broadcast media did though. They used her, badly, in my opinion. Especially, the British wire-services.
91 posted on 11/07/2003 10:51 AM CST by NetValue (They are not Americans, they're democrats.)
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The military is not going to say "The Washington Post is wrong." without conducting their own investigation to determine exactly what happened.
They are also not going to do a line-by-line refutation of every news story in America: "This was wrong." "This was right." "We don't know about this." "This is partially true, but we can't reveal any more until we can declassify the intel." . . .
92 posted on 11/07/2003 10:52 AM CST by AmishDude
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Face the facts, the Pentagon had the film rolling and the special effects sparkling, (the Marines firing into the night at nothing).
Oh, I see. So not only was it staged, but the "Marines" were stupid enough to draw attention to themselves by firing at nothing? It's amazing anyone made it out of there alive.
93 posted on 11/07/2003 10:52 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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And thanks to the press, our sixties dinner hours were filled with body bags on t.v. This Jessica Lynch just lost my sympathy. Why the heck shouldn't the army do some p.r. while carrying out a heroic task? It's a win/win. And yes, that film made her a star, so suck it up, Private Lynch.
94 posted on 11/07/2003 10:52 AM CST by The Westerner
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No problem. Just a simple request, that's all.
95 posted on 11/07/2003 10:52 AM CST by presidio9 (a new birth of Freedom)
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"this is going to cost her book sales, and I for one won't be watching her movie now. "
I thought the movie was an unauthorized one? Did she change her mind or did they use the book to make the movie? (is the book even out yet?)
96 posted on 11/07/2003 10:52 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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The military provided a clear admonision that they hadn't verified exactly what happened.
It was the mass media that ran with this angle.
Look at the situation again:
Initial Report: The military said they believed she attempted to resist capture. The media follows up with various questions about the details of her capture. The Army spokesman said they don't know the details, but that all Army personnel are trained to fight the enemy (duh!).
Five minutes after that, the media splash screen is "SAVING PRIVATE LYNCH" and equally-overdramatic graphics.
Two days later, the Army briefs the press that her injuries may have been sustained during the vehicle accident.
Go back and review the military briefings. You will find that the Army tried to provide accurate information throughout. The hype that came from the story became a life of its own, period.
Further, I am not really sure what you want? Did you want the army to come out and say, "Our soldiers are cowards; Pvt. Lynch couldn't even get a shot off because the weapons we use jammed?"
Is Jessica Lynch a coward? I don't think so.
Did she get a shot off? Apparently not.
Did her weapon jam? According to her, but we didn't find out about that until 9 months later.
So, I am not really sure how you wanted this to go down, but that's the way it went down.
So when you say that "let it stand" just because it was "good PR" is really not intellectually honest.
It was/is good PR that she was rescued. She was rescued by brave men of the Special Forces and Marines. She tried to fight, but her weapon jammed.
All of that's true. All of that's good PR. All of which the Army should let stand.
Was she Rambo? No, but the Army never portrayed her as such. The only people that let the "Rambo" image stand was the mass media, because that image was getting veiwership.
97 posted on 11/07/2003 10:53 AM CST by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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this one thread based on shoddy reporting gets all the bashers to flock to it so they can bash this POW some more.
Put me down as a first-time basher, please.
98 posted on 11/07/2003 10:53 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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I am sorry that people on all sides of this story want to use for their personal gain, or to trash you for not being what they want you to be, and for not saying what they want you to say. You are indeed brave, and you are in my prayers.
Very well said, Crusader, I am with you.
99 posted on 11/07/2003 10:54 AM CST by biffalobull
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I don't think I can come back in here and make another post. These folks are like vicious dogs, so highly trained in one way of thinking that even when their "side" is wrong they just make up some stupid excuse for overlooking the truth and keep right on rolling merrily along. I'm outta here.
Later, Dude. Your six months here was a joy.
100 posted on 11/07/2003 10:55 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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Well, I have tried to ditch the Jessica threads many times, but I just can't let the dogs chew on her.
She is on our damn side.
I don't fault the Pentagon for letting stand a good propaganda story, the war is a political animal they have to sell. Hers was a pretty face to sell it with when the PR out there needed a boost. We did need the morale boost we got from this story.
I also wouldn't expect anything but humility from Jessica. I have never heard anyone say "I am a hero". All the best heros are humble and deny it.
101 posted on 11/07/2003 10:55 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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"Then I guess that makes up for her losing mine."
When telling the truth makes you lose respect for somebody, that's your loss. But isn't life funny, before today's revelations it was I who was constantly taking heat for my anti-Jessica comments in here. But this little gal is spunky, she stood me on my ear with her honesty and courage. She's standing up to the puppetmasters who would try to embellish her story for their own gain. Not many people do that anymore.
102 posted on 11/07/2003 10:55 AM CST by TheCrusader
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Jessica: "Army used me"
She is capitalizing on respect and admiration that American people have for true heroes, although she is not a hero.
And she is accusing US Army of using her.
103 posted on 11/07/2003 10:56 AM CST by Print
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"You have the media invade your lawn and live there for weeks interested in your daughter who you are terribly worried about and interested in. And you handle it better. "
The point was, they didn't seem concerned about privacy. If they were, you would've seen a lot of "no comments" and no press conferences. But how is that all the Administrations fault? Are they supposed to tell the media to leave her alone?
104 posted on 11/07/2003 10:57 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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I'm a staunch conservative and I fully back President Bush.
I'm a Republican, I voted for Bush and I listen to your show every day, Rush.
105 posted on 11/07/2003 10:57 AM CST by AmishDude (Methinks thou doth protest too much.)
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"Well, I have tried to ditch the Jessica threads many times, but I just can't let the dogs chew on her. She is on our damn side. I don't fault the Pentagon for letting stand a good propaganda story, the war is a political animal they have to sell. Hers was a pretty face to sell it with when the PR out there needed a boost. We did need the morale boost we got from this story. I also wouldn't expect anything but humility from Jessica. I have never heard anyone say "I am a hero". All the best heros are humble and deny it."
Very well said, I agree with you, totally.
106 posted on 11/07/2003 10:57 AM CST by TheCrusader
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I thought you couldn't bring yourself to post anymore?
I admire your courage and strength to press on.
107 posted on 11/07/2003 10:58 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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You are twisting it around. That isn't what she said the administration did. The administration filmed her rescue and she doesn't know why. She is embarrassed perhaps about it.
108 posted on 11/07/2003 10:59 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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A sargent was her fiancee? Isn't that fraternization?
109 posted on 11/07/2003 10:59 AM CST by Pan_Yans Wife (You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
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Um, Rush is "unavailable" at this time...
110 posted on 11/07/2003 11:01 AM CST by presidio9 (a new birth of Freedom)
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Put me down as a first-time basher, please.
I also have you down as someone who believes whatever the liberal media tells him without checking it out.
111 posted on 11/07/2003 11:02 AM CST by #3Fan
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A sargent was her fiancee? Isn't that fraternization?
Yes, but often overlooked if the NCO is not directly in the soldier's chain of command.
112 posted on 11/07/2003 11:02 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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I also have you down as someone who believes whatever the liberal media tells him without checking it out.
ROTFLMAO!! Yeah, you've got me all figured out!
113 posted on 11/07/2003 11:02 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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Re: The weapon didn't jam if she never fired it. "Perhaps "didn't work" is a better term. So you're saying that she's a liar?
She's either a liar, or her brain didn't work. I've suprervised grammer school kids, girls and boys that never had a problem with the first shot. You pull the charging handle back and them push the release lever. Unless the mag is empty, or somehow forced in backwards, the gun ends up cocked and locked and fires when the trigger's pulled. She's an adult in the Army and M16/4s aren't some new gizmo with quirks.
114 posted on 11/07/2003 11:03 AM CST by spunkets
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They didn't go out of their way to say that this heroic figure story was fabricated.
You know how the media works... a retraction doesn't get as much attention as yesterday's screaming headlines!
115 posted on 11/07/2003 11:04 AM CST by Pan_Yans Wife (You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
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She never asked for any of this. Now that she is the 'media darling' she will be torn down by the same media that has built her into something that she never was. I don't fault Private Lynch. I fault the media. I am more appalled by the fact that they will use her and throw her away and she doesn't even see it coming.
116 posted on 11/07/2003 11:04 AM CST by abner (In search of a witty tag line...)
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ROTFLMAO!! Yeah, you've got me all figured out!
Yes I sure do.
117 posted on 11/07/2003 11:04 AM CST by #3Fan
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"If that is what she's saying, she's pretty low-rent."
If this is true, and she's bad-mouthing the military, shame on her. She wouldn't be alive today if it wasn't for them. She doesn't like being filmed by the military, but she has no problem writing a book, or having a movie made about her ordeal? I find her comments to be a bit hypocritical to say the least. She should just keep her mouth shut.
118 posted on 11/07/2003 11:05 AM CST by mass55th
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She's either a liar, or her brain didn't work. I've suprervised grammer school kids, girls and boys that never had a problem with the first shot. You pull the charging handle back and them push the release lever. Unless the mag is empty, or somehow forced in backwards, the gun ends up cocked and locked and fires when the trigger's pulled. She's an adult in the Army and M16/4s aren't some new gizmo with quirks.
Many here who have experience with these guns say they can jam before firing. So maybe you should be careful who you call a liar.
119 posted on 11/07/2003 11:06 AM CST by #3Fan
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"Oh, I see. So not only was it staged, but the "Marines" were stupid enough to draw attention to themselves by firing at nothing? It's amazing anyone made it out of there alive."
The Pentagon admitted they ran into no resistance. There wasn't even anyone in the hospital when the rescue team arrived. I'm not knocking the rescue effort, I've said all along they were the real heros. But I think, in an honest moment of reflection, we all know it was filmed for certain purposes. This is fine with me because I support this war effort all the way; but why knock this Lynch kid for being pissed at being used for propaganda by ALL sides, military, feminists, news media? Don't you see that by telling the truth she has knowingly lost out on fame and a huge fortune? Personal integrity is more important to her than everything else, this is what makes her an awesome young gal in this generation of greed and selfishness.
120 posted on 11/07/2003 11:06 AM CST by TheCrusader
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What I am about to write will not set well with some, so I am sorry. But, like it or not soldiers are assets, expendable asets. I knew this when I enlisted when I was 17. The military will use you for whatever purpose it sees fit. You have to know that when you take the oath.
121 posted on 11/07/2003 11:06 AM CST by RiflemanSharpe (An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
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Well, I think everyone's relying too heavily on this second hand report of an interview by Diane Sawyer.
Don't you think the "used" quote was especially and determinedly elicited by Diane?
At worst she is a babe in the woods in the media IMO. (I'd rather hear Medal of Honor type stories about real heroics- but people with other views buy books too.)
122 posted on 11/07/2003 11:06 AM CST by mrsmith
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Keep in mind that the NY Daily News is one of the media's prime liars. They are spinning Jessica Lynch's comments and taking them out of context to make her and Bush look bad. They want to discredit the military and the Iraqi war. They are in Hillary's pocket.
123 posted on 11/07/2003 11:07 AM CST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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"Lynch says her unit was sent into battle armed only with M-16s - no grenades or anti-tank weapons - and in lumbering trucks that could not keep up with the convoy barreling toward Baghdad."
If she did say this she's dense. Her mission was logistics, or maintenance, not combat.
124 posted on 11/07/2003 11:08 AM CST by spunkets
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""Yeah, it's wrong," Lynch said. "I don't know why they filmed it, or why they say the things" they said."
This girl needs to watch a news channel other than CNN. When the news came about her being rescued and the Fox correspondent was interviewing her brother or father, they said they had been watching the coverage on CNN.
125 posted on 11/07/2003 11:09 AM CST by mass55th
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Thank you, Jessica Lynch for your service and for being so honest and humble. I am sorry that people on all sides of this story want to use for their personal gain, or to trash you for not being what they want you to be, and for not saying what they want you to say. You are indeed brave, and you are in my prayers.
My sentiments exactly.
The Pentagon and the Press most definitely DID use her.
Why do young girls from poor towns in West Virginia have to join the Army to provide for themselves?
126 posted on 11/07/2003 11:11 AM CST by independentmind
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"She also disputed the Pentagon's early version of her capture by Iraqis, which suggested she had heroically defended herself - going down only after firing all her ammo."
The folks in the Pentagon hope, that since their soldiers are trained and encouraged to do so, they will fight. Their assumption wasn't any good in this case.
127 posted on 11/07/2003 11:11 AM CST by spunkets
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It amazes me that all her bashers have been screaming for her to deny the story and say she isn't a hero since April, and when she finally does that, they accuse her of speaking against the military! You're right, their only purpose is to bash her. I think because they feel threatened by what she has sacrificed for her country.
128 posted on 11/07/2003 11:11 AM CST by #3Fan
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Funny how when a normal person makes normal observations on a thread that we have all kinds of armchair quarterbacks come out to attack. I consider where the girl was from, and what has happened to the woman since she enlisted. No matter what she does or says, somebody is going to be there to attack her story - good, bad, or indifferent.
Bet she 'll be happy to have all this behind her in a year or two. The news will find something else to run into the ground waiting for the next story.
129 posted on 11/07/2003 11:11 AM CST by Issaquahking
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With all due respect and gratitude for your service, PFC Lynch, shut the h*$% up
If you can't stand to hear the truth- that the military wildly exaggerated this incident for propaganda purposes- then I suggest you cover your ears and say- nananananananana- that should block it out.
Some people are happy to be told comfortable lies, I'm not
Jessica Lynch should be given credit for her honestly and humility.
130 posted on 11/07/2003 11:12 AM CST by WackyKat
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I thought you left.
Don't you see that by telling the truth she has knowingly lost out on fame and a huge fortune?
You keep harping on "truth." She publicly insulted the Army by saying the Army used her, and that it was wrong. She needs to shut her mouth.
131 posted on 11/07/2003 11:13 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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The Pentagon had no idea what had happened when she was captured. So, they couldn't come out and say, "We don't know that she went down fighting so we ask the media to stop saying this until we find out for sure." Now that would have gone over like a turd in a punch bowl.
I'm starting to like this girl. At least she's setting the record straight. I do doubt the gun jamming story. But I wasn't there. In her shoes I might have tried to climb under the damn dash board and hide rather than shoot and I doubt if I'd ever admit that. If you're outnumbered and there's no way to win maybe it would be smart to surrender and live to fight another day. Remember, nobody ever won a war by dieing for their country.
132 posted on 11/07/2003 11:15 AM CST by Terry Mross
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Such an ungrateful idiot. I have lost respect for her.
And you believe everything you see on TV? How do you know this wasn't twisted around and cutup so that it looks that way? Have you read her book? You're making assumptions about a person that you only know from a brief TV appearance.
133 posted on 11/07/2003 11:15 AM CST by lelio
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You nailed it crusader. She has done extremely well under the circumstances. Her parents have a lot to be proud of in that young girl.
134 posted on 11/07/2003 11:15 AM CST by Stewart_B ("You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.")
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Weren't people here touting her for the Congressional Medal of Honor in April? I did a searc and found several posts to that end.
135 posted on 11/07/2003 11:15 AM CST by J.E.Ray
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You keep harping on "truth." She publicly insulted the Army by saying the Army used her, and that it was wrong. She needs to shut her mouth.
Oh please. She was led into that by a liberal reporter, Diane Sawyer, on the most liberal network there is, ABC. There's no doubt they're doing everything they can to put down Lynch and the Army. They're covering for the Washington Post.
136 posted on 11/07/2003 11:17 AM CST by #3Fan
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So what were they supposed to do? Demand the media shut up about it? I don't think they have that power.
You're right, they don't. But did they make one bit of effort to say "Er, it didn't really happen that way." So I can understand why people on FR are basher her for telling the truth as they want to believe the good stories the media tells them.
137 posted on 11/07/2003 11:18 AM CST by lelio
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"I see that on FR, there really is no way for this girl to be right. FR can bash her no matter what she does."
Why do you still insist I'm "bashing" her? I'm bashing The Lie, as are most FReepers who you don't agree with. I say now, as I've always said, that if she didn't tell the truth, that if she continued to maintain her silence on the events of that night, that if she quietly went along with The Lie, then she would have no sense of decency. But that's evidently not the case, is it?
Therefore, do you still think I'm "bashing" Lynch because I call the Lynch Lie what it is...a crock of horse**it that is potentially hazardous to our national security? Am I "bashing" her because I have seen through The Lie from the beginning, and refuse to swallow it whole? Is it "bashing" her, the other women in the military, and the military as a whole to not accept whatever the Pentagon spews forth, in a knee-jerk fashion? No, it's not...in fact, to do so is to do all servicemembers a grave disservice, and to turn your back on the truth. In short, to do so is to be a stool pigeon.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
138 posted on 11/07/2003 11:19 AM CST by wku man
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"My weapon did jam and I did not shoot, not a round, nothing," she said simply.
139 posted on 11/07/2003 11:21 AM CST by Barnacle (Navigating the treacherous waters of a liberal culture)
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The real story here is that your enemies will basically rape your female GIs...and there is nothing you can do to stop it. I don't want to stand in the way of females achieving their status as soldiers...but everyone of them ought to be brought into a conference room....told that rape happens in the battlefield...and then give them a chance to get out if they chose to do so.
140 posted on 11/07/2003 11:21 AM CST by pepsionice
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Well said. It's wrong, cheap, undignified and plain insulting to the brave men and women fighting real battles for some lilly-livered idiots who will never face a day of action to take a genuine mission and concoct some bogus Rambo PR story out of it.
Good for her for speaking up. As she says, it would be WRONG for her to take credit for actions that should go to her dead fellow-soldier. She was no Rambo, and it was wrong for them to portray her as such.
You will recall that her rescue was doctored up right when anti-war rhetoric was at a high. We shouldn't have to stoop this low to change public opinion.
False heroes cheapen real heroes, and I think she's a good person for explaining what really happened, and giving the right people credit. And that includes the Iraqi civilians and hospital workers (who we liberated).
141 posted on 11/07/2003 11:22 AM CST by oopimrehs
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"So maybe you should be careful who you call a liar."
Did I say that, or did I say, "She's either a liar, or her brain didn't work." I'm intimately familiar with the gun. She had enough time and training on the range that she should have had no problem. As I mentioned before, kids can do it. I'm also familiar with USMC trials and evaluation reports on the guns.
"Many here who have experience with these guns say they can jam before firing."
When they post why, it will be meaningful; otherwise it's not.
142 posted on 11/07/2003 11:22 AM CST by spunkets
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If she did say this she's dense. Her mission was logistics, or maintenance, not combat.
Then how did she get wrapped up in all of this then? Doesn't that point to more of a mistake by the military and not her own?
Not that I expect 0% accidents during a war, but there were some definate errors made in planning out a (relatively) untrained maintenance group driving around in a hostile area for so long.
143 posted on 11/07/2003 11:23 AM CST by lelio
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Ping.
144 posted on 11/07/2003 11:23 AM CST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take a chance?)
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By the way, can you tell me what you're so angry about? Lynch said that the Army used her for propaganda, but I don't see where she was angry. And when she said "It was wrong", she was speaking of the Rambo story. I looks like she is just humbly saying that she shouldn't have been labeled a hero out of respect for those who are the heros.
I think you've been easily fooled by the liberal media.
145 posted on 11/07/2003 11:24 AM CST by #3Fan
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Therefore, do you still think I'm "bashing" Lynch
No - you hadn't even been on the thread. I pinged you so you could see what she said... It sounded like the truth you were looking for from the other thread.
146 posted on 11/07/2003 11:24 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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Jessica Lynch has angrily accused the Pentagon...
…she said simply.
I see a disconnect here. Jessica is simply telling her story the way she sees it and she realizes that she has been used as a symbol by people with other motives that she has. She has every right to express her opinion. I don't blame her for not being thrilled about the media coverage of her ordeal. Just because she expresses her feelings about this does not mean she has angrily accused the Pentagon of anything. I'm sure that most members of our military are not thrilled with everything that comes out of there... they would be stepford soldiers if they did. She continues to be used by the media...
147 posted on 11/07/2003 11:24 AM CST by twigs
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I'm bashing The Lie, as are most FReepers who you don't agree with.
No - check out the comments.... Most are bashing HER.
148 posted on 11/07/2003 11:25 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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In the field of conflict, folklore, mythology, and legends are born.
Even if the Pentagon said that, it's an honest mistake.
By the way, the Pentagon never said the rescue operation was glamorous. It was a specops cakewalk, hard for us - easy for them. They went in, confirm she's an american soldier, and expedited to the waiting chopper. No shots.
That gives us the benefit of the doubt.
149 posted on 11/07/2003 11:25 AM CST by Killborn (Half Thai, Half American, 95% Conservative, 100% Insane)
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"This one was released for the public."
Yeah, isn't it a shame that the military decided to show a success story? God forbid they should try to uplift the troops and the American people by showing film footage of the rescue of PFC Lynch, especially after hearing the news of the execution of her comrades.
/sarcasm
150 posted on 11/07/2003 11:26 AM CST by mass55th
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Thanks for pinging me, by the way. I clicked on the link to the article and this jumped right out at me...
"Jessica Lynch has angrily accused the Pentagon of using her for propaganda."
YES!!! Let this be heard loudly and clearly across the nation! Telling the truth in the face of likely Pentagon pressure, and risking the ire of the feminazis who held her up as proof that "girls can do anything boys can, only better" shows incredible courage. Contrary to what you and others think about my stance, I've never held her in disdain, and I've told you that I was and still am very happy she was rescued. Now I know she's interested in the truth getting out, and that makes her better than OK in my book.
But...The Lie still needs to be squashed.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
151 posted on 11/07/2003 11:27 AM CST by wku man
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I never used the word "liar" and neither did spunkets.
I spent 22 years in the military and carried an M-16 for nine years, so I'm not exactly a novice.
I've seen people under stress forget to pull the charging handle, fire all the rounds without realizing they pulled the trigger, eject the magazine without realizing it, etc.
Although a weapon can misfeed when the charging handle is initially released, it is rare. I never experienced it and have fired tens of thousands of rounds through the M-16. When this happens it should be relatively easy to clear if the person has the minimum training.
I think that people are falsly blaming the M-16 when the problem was either very poor maintenance or lack of training.
152 posted on 11/07/2003 11:28 AM CST by mbynack
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Did I say that, or did I say, "She's either a liar, or her brain didn't work."
Yes you called her stupid or a liar. Since she's not stupid then you called her a liar.
I'm intimately familiar with the gun. She had enough time and training on the range that she should have had no problem. As I mentioned before, kids can do it. I'm also familiar with USMC trials and evaluation reports on the guns.
Others here with as much experience as you say it can jam before firing in dusty conditions because of closer tolerances.
When they post why, it will be meaningful; otherwise it's not.
Closer tolerances is what they said.
153 posted on 11/07/2003 11:28 AM CST by #3Fan
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Thank you for saying it so well. I think she's a remarkable young lady from a remarkable family. They exhibit the character and fortitude that built our great nation!
154 posted on 11/07/2003 11:30 AM CST by twigs
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"Ok. So, this is all an elaborate scheme by the U.S. government, including the President, the Pentagon, the Army, etc.."
She should be grateful that she's alive so she can vote for Senator Byrd.
/sarcasm
155 posted on 11/07/2003 11:30 AM CST by mass55th
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"However, in her effort to deflect the praise of being a hero, she necessarily made it out like the Pentagon had some elaborate plan to "use" her and her rescue. And that's just wrong for her to do."
I remember being 19 years old, and if you think I don't know anything now, you should have seen me then. Perhaps you remember being 19 too.
What do people expect from a teenage girl who was suddenly placed into combat, saw all her friends die, and suffered a devastating accident that broke her legs, ankles and injured her spinal cord? As if that's not enough she was anally raped by Islamic pigs and dumped into a dungeon "hospital" with no medicine or real doctors to treat her. She lie there hungry, thirsty, raped, broken and bleeding for days, praying and calling out to God for help. She then returns home to find out that everyone and their grandmother were hyping and embellishing her story in an attempt to USE her for their own political or financial gain. This gal feels used and abused, and who the h-ll can blame her?
Lastly, let's not forget that she was sold up the river by the feminists who told her that a girl can be a strong soldier and is equal to men on the battlefield. There is not one conceivable way in which this young gal was not raped by somebody. Jessica Lynch's real story is that WE ALL used her. She was used by feminists to prove that females can be good soldiers, she was used by conservatives to prove that females should not be soldiers. She was used by the news media to sell newspapers and T.V. air time, and she was used by the Pentagon to help further the war effort. She was left behind by the main convoy, and was anally raped by her pig-faced Iraqi captors. She is still suffering from her severe wounds, and from memory loss. And none-the-less she has maintained enough courage and integrity to tell them all to go pound sand up their arses. What is there to not like about this gal?
156 posted on 11/07/2003 11:30 AM CST by TheCrusader
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Feminazis want females in the military to destroy it. they are socialist who hate all military operations, as it gets in the way of the Worker's Paradise.
Real women like Lori Piestewa, Jessica Lynch, and others ruined that dream for them when they served with dignity and honor all the while espousing American values.
Now Lynch must go. I predict a gradual move by COW to demonize women in the military.
No bets please, I'll probably lose.
But if I'm right, I want to be recognized as a sage. :)
157 posted on 11/07/2003 11:30 AM CST by Killborn (Half Thai, Half American, 95% Conservative, 100% Insane)
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For the ones here who have chosen to condemn Jessie Lynch just remember a certain Col. West is fixing to have one broke off in him by the Army.
158 posted on 11/07/2003 11:31 AM CST by Stewart_B ("You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.")
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Gee daughter, you missed all the threads detailing Lynch's torture that you and your friends argued with me about happening a few months ago but you manage to make it to this bashfest. Still agree with Gunrunner that Lynch got excellent care by the Iraqis?
159 posted on 11/07/2003 11:31 AM CST by #3Fan
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So what were they supposed to do? Demand the media shut up about it? I don't think they have that power.
Hmmmm, when she was talked about on the newshows, why wouldn't they clarify the story? I think the decided to let it stand if it was in fact media hype. We don't know for sure and it may have been initiated by the pentagon.
160 posted on 11/07/2003 11:31 AM CST by joesbucks
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All soldier face great torturous unknowns in war and in capture. All of them know that. Or should. Not just the women.
161 posted on 11/07/2003 11:32 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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They are in Hillary's pocket.
MUST.... BLACK OUT.... HORRIFYING.... MENTAL IMAGE....
162 posted on 11/07/2003 11:32 AM CST by presidio9 (a new birth of Freedom)
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Emotions. That's what libs are all about and that's how they advanced their BS.
More emotion than substance.
163 posted on 11/07/2003 11:32 AM CST by Killborn (Half Thai, Half American, 95% Conservative, 100% Insane)
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Mule Fritters. Too many Pentagon and military brass were on the news shows when this was going on. They let it stand. Period.
164 posted on 11/07/2003 11:33 AM CST by joesbucks
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Thanks for the ping.
Boy that Jessie Lynch is a real piece of work.
165 posted on 11/07/2003 11:34 AM CST by Ispy4u
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"Doesn't that point to more of a mistake by the military and not her own?"
Both.
" Not that I expect 0% accidents during a war, but there were some definate errors made in planning out a (relatively) untrained maintenance group driving around in a hostile area for so long."
There should have been at least a sarg who could read a map and compass. I don't know the details of the story-haven't followed it. As far as planning goes it doesn't amount to much. They got lost. They should have immediately reoriented when they determined they were out of radio contact, or hadn't reached their objective yet. Maybe they did reorient and sarg led them futher astray.
PFC Lynch wasn't responsible for the overall screwup. She does have a sarg for a fiance(husband?) and lots of military friends. She should at least speak w/o trashing, or allowing the military to be trashed by such leftist enemies. IOWs, even though she's ~20, she should think first before opening her mouth.
166 posted on 11/07/2003 11:34 AM CST by spunkets
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and they renamed Squaw Peak (offensive, apparently) in the Phoenix area to Piestewa Peak earlier this year for her.
167 posted on 11/07/2003 11:34 AM CST by dmz
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I've been thinking..
What if her rifle is jammed coz in her excitement she accidentally safed it?
168 posted on 11/07/2003 11:35 AM CST by Killborn (Half Thai, Half American, 95% Conservative, 100% Insane)
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Good post.
169 posted on 11/07/2003 11:36 AM CST by wardaddy (...and Yes, I'll be your huckleberry.)
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Yes there were brave men and women in this entire saga. Say she was a coward? I never implied that. It appears he weapon was not operative. Does that imply being a coward? There's a great leap even if they find out she froze from being a coward.
The military liked this story. They let it stand.
170 posted on 11/07/2003 11:36 AM CST by joesbucks
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I never used the word "liar" and neither did spunkets.
You must not have seen post #114.
I spent 22 years in the military and carried an M-16 for nine years, so I'm not exactly a novice. I've seen people under stress forget to pull the charging handle, fire all the rounds without realizing they pulled the trigger, eject the magazine without realizing it, etc. Although a weapon can misfeed when the charging handle is initially released, it is rare. I never experienced it and have fired tens of thousands of rounds through the M-16. When this happens it should be relatively easy to clear if the person has the minimum training. I think that people are falsly blaming the M-16 when the problem was either very poor maintenance or lack of training.
I didn't say they were blaming the gun, I said there are some people that have a lot of experience with it that said they can indeed jam before firing in dusty conditions. Saying it can happen and saying it did happen are two different things.
171 posted on 11/07/2003 11:36 AM CST by #3Fan
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Look at how this story is developing.
172 posted on 11/07/2003 11:37 AM CST by Huck
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I've seen people under stress forget to pull the charging handle, fire all the rounds without realizing they pulled the trigger, eject the magazine without realizing it, etc.
Exactly right. I think, in her panic, she either forgot to take off the safety or never had a round chambered in the first place.
173 posted on 11/07/2003 11:38 AM CST by WackyKat
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From what I understand the humvee she was in wrecked. Wonder if maybe just maybe her weapon was damaged in the wreck?
I would be more apt to believe this than that she was just a lame who didnt maitain her weapon.
174 posted on 11/07/2003 11:38 AM CST by Stewart_B ("You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.")
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Feminazis do this to defame the military and make it look bad so that when it is disbanded, no one will be left in the way for Global Socialism.
See my post 157.
175 posted on 11/07/2003 11:38 AM CST by Killborn (Half Thai, Half American, 95% Conservative, 100% Insane)
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Jessica: "Army used me"
I don't think she really knows who is using who here. It seems she was out of it for the whole time her story was being told and there were people saying that maybe the "Rambo" story was not exactly true. She and her family need to go back over all the propaganda from all sides before they start the movie. Now that she is well, she can tell her story but it seems important parts are still missing. It is quite possible that the wreak that caused her legs and back to be broken also damaged her weapon. We'll most likely never know unless she can face the memories and then tell her story and have it told countless times on TV. She did enlist in the Army but not for this kind of parade. The media are the ones who made this a circus.
176 posted on 11/07/2003 11:39 AM CST by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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Of course she was used. That's what she signed up for.
177 posted on 11/07/2003 11:39 AM CST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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The pentagon never tried to downplay it. And the theatrics of the rescue aspects have been already addressed even by the Dr. how tipped off the US as to where she was. That part of the saga was filmed by the military, not the media making it up. That was footage supplied by the military.
Every person whether under fire or in the rescue attempt is a brave individual. But the story under their bravery is trumped to a point and the military is complicit.
178 posted on 11/07/2003 11:39 AM CST by joesbucks
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I expect her not to publicly bash the Army for promoting the very incident from which she is now profiting.
Perfect.
179 posted on 11/07/2003 11:40 AM CST by Petronski (Living life in a minor key.)
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Are there transcripts of Pentagon/Centcom briefings where we have on-the-record accounts of Army/Pentagon officials saying that Jessica Lynch went down fighting?
I would like that too. I remember the big announcement....didn't it come at like 4am? What was the date? There ought to be excerpts at least.
180 posted on 11/07/2003 11:40 AM CST by Huck
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"I'm outta here. "
Going back to DU?
181 posted on 11/07/2003 11:40 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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I've always defended this girl, who went through hell. But if she starts dissing the Army, after rescuing her, giving her the best medical care available and affording her the opportunity to cut a sweet book deal, I'll be very disappointed in her.
182 posted on 11/07/2003 11:41 AM CST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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Raped women often seldom distance themselves from the act of rape and blame the saviors.
183 posted on 11/07/2003 11:41 AM CST by JudgemAll
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PFC Lynch wasn't responsible for the overall screwup. She does have a sarg for a fiance(husband?) and lots of military friends. She should at least speak w/o trashing, or allowing the military to be trashed by such leftist enemies. IOWs, even though she's ~20, she should think first before opening her mouth
If you're over 20, then you should realize that this is a liberal trashing of Lynch and the military and treat as the propaganda it is. Read the article again and tell me where she was angry. There's no anger in what she said, she is simply saying the story was wrong .
184 posted on 11/07/2003 11:41 AM CST by #3Fan
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Personal integrity is more important to her than everything else, this is what makes her an awesome young gal in this generation of greed and selfishness.
That's right. The people who are upset that she's not lying should be ashamed of themselves.
185 posted on 11/07/2003 11:43 AM CST by WackyKat
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"Face the facts, the Pentagon had the film rolling and the special effects sparkling..."
The video released to the press of her rescue was not complete, just brief highlights. I don't recall seeing any video of the operation from start to finish. Missing is their entrance into the building, their initial finding of Lynch, getting her on the stretcher, etc. The part that was shown on the news channels was a small segment of what actually occurred. I think she'd have more of a complaint if the Army had released the total recovery of her. I think she's whining unnecessarily.
186 posted on 11/07/2003 11:43 AM CST by mass55th
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I'm outta here.
Not much of a Crusader.
187 posted on 11/07/2003 11:44 AM CST by Lost Highway (There's no stopping the cretins from hoppin.)
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It amazes me that all her bashers have been screaming for her to deny the story and say she isn't a hero since April, and when she finally does that, they accuse her of speaking against the military! You're right, their only purpose is to bash her. I think because they feel threatened by what she has sacrificed for her country.
Unless you work as a creative writer, you missed your calling.
188 posted on 11/07/2003 11:44 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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The title of this article is a lie. She never said the Army used her and that's it. They made it sound worse than it was.
189 posted on 11/07/2003 11:44 AM CST by #3Fan
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Bump for Ltc. A. West !
190 posted on 11/07/2003 11:45 AM CST by dorben ( " The Spenders " ..)
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The weapon didn't jam if she never fired it.
I was going to say that. The safety was probably on.
191 posted on 11/07/2003 11:45 AM CST by hattend
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Oh please. She was led into that by a liberal reporter, Diane Sawyer, on the most liberal network there is, ABC. There's no doubt they're doing everything they can to put down Lynch and the Army. They're covering for the Washington Post.
I have no doubt they're slanting things. But unless you can show me they fabricated her quote...
192 posted on 11/07/2003 11:46 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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She's an adult in the Army and M16/4s aren't some new gizmo with quirks.
She went through basic, she knows how to operate a weapon. She was also in a LOT of pain and her friends are dead. There are a lot of reasons why her weapon wouldn't work. Proper care is just one of them. Ignorance is not. All of them should have had their weapons ready after the convoy got seperated. What we really should be looking at is why that happened. That's what doomed these troops.
193 posted on 11/07/2003 11:46 AM CST by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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"Such an ungrateful idiot."
It will be interesting to see just how factual the network movie about her will be. Let's see if she complains about being used by them when it's over. I'm still trying to figure out how someone who isn't supposed to have any memory of what happened to her writes a book or has a movie made about them.
194 posted on 11/07/2003 11:46 AM CST by mass55th
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Raped women often seldom distance themselves from the act of rape and blame the saviors.
Huh?
195 posted on 11/07/2003 11:46 AM CST by presidio9 (a new birth of Freedom)
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I don't think the army used Jessica Lynch. Certainly the military feminist lobby subgroup of the army used her, and they have a lot of free access to the media. I suspect this issue of Lynch and the feminazis in DoD is the cause of SecDef's public affairs butch 'spokesperson' (whatever her name was) resigning.
Other thoughts on the irony of war.
1. Lynch is probably alive because her weaponed jammed. During a firefight, the natural tendency is to kill everything shooting back at you. No doubt that is what the Iraqis did.
2. No excuse for her weapon jamming. None. How many times in your life do you cross into enemy territory during a war? Having weapons lock and loaded and ready to fire is the first thing any soldier would ensure he was capable of doing upon crossing the LD.
196 posted on 11/07/2003 11:46 AM CST by OldCorps
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I think she's whining unnecessarily.
Saying the story is wrong is whining?
197 posted on 11/07/2003 11:47 AM CST by #3Fan
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"the Pentagon ?
how about the "news" media?"
Yes. Will SOMEBODY puh-leeze get this story straight. Can ANYBODY find a PENTAGON released story that described her as a female Rambo? Now the lying media has Jessica believing this tripe.
198 posted on 11/07/2003 11:47 AM CST by cookcounty
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Read it please.... Her rescuers are her heroes. She just isn't sure why she was put on a pedestal by the brass instead of them. This is a humble response.
I propose, when we read the book, she spends far more lines wondering and perhaps being a bit taken back at the media spectacle that surrounded her. The media won't report that part.
199 posted on 11/07/2003 11:47 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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Unless you work as a creative writer, you missed your calling.
Better than someone who believes liberal propaganda like you.
200 posted on 11/07/2003 11:48 AM CST by #3Fan
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What is there to not like about this gal?
Maybe that she complains about being used by going on a primetime tv special and hawking her book. It would ring a little more true if she were not using the situation to sell books.
201 posted on 11/07/2003 11:49 AM CST by Lost Highway (There's no stopping the cretins from hoppin.)
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I have no doubt they're slanting things. But unless you can show me they fabricated her quote...
...yeah, what? Read the article. She me where Lynch said "The Army used me."...period. They quoted her out of context. And you sucked it in unquestionably.
202 posted on 11/07/2003 11:50 AM CST by #3Fan
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I have no doubt they're slanting things. But unless you can show me they fabricated her quote...
...yeah, what? Read the article. Show me where Lynch said "The Army used me."...period. They quoted her out of context. And you sucked it in unquestionably.
203 posted on 11/07/2003 11:51 AM CST by #3Fan
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"You are twisting it around. That isn't what she said the administration did. The administration filmed her rescue and she doesn't know why. She is embarrassed perhaps about it. "
Then maybe she should've asked why it was filmed instead of trashing them and saying there was no reason for them to do so.
204 posted on 11/07/2003 11:51 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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I'm still trying to figure out how someone who isn't supposed to have any memory of what happened to her writes a book or has a movie made about them.
She writes about what she does know. She has a valid point of view on this, the most important one. And ~what happended~ is still happening to her. Are you telling me you would not want to talk if this were you and you had all this crap flying around about you?
205 posted on 11/07/2003 11:51 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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Read it please.... Her rescuers are her heroes. She just isn't sure why she was put on a pedestal by the brass instead of them. This is a humble response.
Too many posters on this thread are not making a distinction between the brave soldiers who serve our country, and the military bureacrats who most likely pushed this story. I don't see her comments as disloyal at all.
206 posted on 11/07/2003 11:51 AM CST by independentmind
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often or seldom pick one please
207 posted on 11/07/2003 11:52 AM CST by Ispy4u
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I expect her not to publicly bash the Army for promoting the very incident from which she is now profiting.
What do you expect from a future Democrat politician? She is just getting started.
208 posted on 11/07/2003 11:52 AM CST by montag813 (Fire Tenet...Jail Joseph Wilson...Rally 'Round Our President, Dammit!!!)
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"Why do young girls from poor towns in West Virginia have to join the Army to provide for themselves?"
Because they have Robert Byrd as their Senator.
209 posted on 11/07/2003 11:52 AM CST by mass55th
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Better than someone who believes liberal propaganda like you.
So you keep telling me. So perhaps you could share with me your knowledge that the quote attributed to her is false?
210 posted on 11/07/2003 11:53 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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bttt
211 posted on 11/07/2003 11:53 AM CST by Killborn (Half Thai, Half American, 95% Conservative, 100% Insane)
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In her book, "I Am a Soldier, Too," author Rick Bragg says...."
Can't believe no one has picked up on this yet. You all know who Rick Bragg is. NY Times...suspended reporter....bylines...etc.
212 posted on 11/07/2003 11:54 AM CST by GSWarrior
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"Bet she 'll be happy to have all this behind her in a year or two."
We still have to live through her wedding next June. I wonder if she'll ask why the media had to film it.
213 posted on 11/07/2003 11:54 AM CST by mass55th
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Because middle-class white men would rather sit on their butts in an air-conditioned office and let poor women fight their battles for them.
214 posted on 11/07/2003 11:54 AM CST by independentmind
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What do you expect from a future Democrat politician? She is just getting started.
The right has been trashing her nonstop since April, so why would she want to be a Republican?
215 posted on 11/07/2003 11:55 AM CST by #3Fan
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...yeah, what? Read the article. She me where Lynch said "The Army used me."...period. They quoted her out of context. And you sucked it in unquestionably.
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[Lynch] told ABC there was no reason for her rescue from an Iraqi hospital to be filmed.
"They used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff," Lynch said in an interview with Diane Sawyer that airs Tuesday, Veterans Day.
"Yeah, it's wrong," Lynch said. "I don't know why they filmed it, or why they say the things" they said.
And you called me angry. :-D You need a nap, or at least a snack.
216 posted on 11/07/2003 11:56 AM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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All I can say is read it again. What question is "yeah it's wrong" even answering? - We don't know. Then she ponders why her rescue was filmed. Read it. She says nothing that I wouldn't expect her to say. She has been put in a very public place and has very normal and humble things to say about having had that happen to her.
217 posted on 11/07/2003 11:56 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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What do you expect from a future Democrat politician?
She has no support among Democrats. She admires soldiers.
218 posted on 11/07/2003 11:58 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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Owl, I thought the same thing about the Post making up the story. They based it on one unnamed Pentagon source. My thinking is the source made it up, could barely keep the smirk off his face as he told it to the Postie, and wanted to see how far they'd run with it. But, because we're dealing with a dishonest, anti-military, lamestream press, ABC will spin it as the military blowing things out of proportion, the New York rag backs them up, and the rest of the traitorous ink-peddlers will close ranks around them. It CAN'T be that the Post practised dishonest or shoddy journalism, noooo sirreeeee! Its those bad military guys in the Pentagon...
219 posted on 11/07/2003 11:58 AM CST by HenryLeeII
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"Weren't people here touting her for the Congressional Medal of Honor in April? I did a searc and found several posts to that end.
Some probably were; so what? Why don't you try a search on evolution/creationism and see if you can find several posts.
I'm not bashing Jessica, we owe her a debt of thanks and gratitude for her service; same as all the other service people who serve so well. Unfortunately, some are captured and killed and we can never compensate them or their families adequately for that experience but we can try. At the same time, hero recognition should be proportional to the events. Broadly defined, they are all heros; but should someone that is captured, with no heroic battle action, and then successfully rescued, receive the same accolades as someone who risked their life to save commrades or to rescue captives?
As I said, I thank her for her service, I'm sorry that she was captured and glad that she was rescued and wish her a long, happy life. But, I have heard enough about whose fault it was and whether or not she should have been in a postion to be captured in the first place.
220 posted on 11/07/2003 11:58 AM CST by 1riot1ranger
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I hope you're right.
I just don't see any evidence "the brass" put out the wrong story about her or "put her on a pedestal." The Washington Post tried to make her into Rambette. Her fellow soldier who fought hardest was awarded the Silver Star. Her's is a story that captured the attention of the nation - it's nobody's fault. Why blame "the brass" for giving the public information the public wanted? Why isn't the public fawning over her rescuers? Because the public often overlooks soldiers who do nothing more than do their jobs damn well - like right now when the only publicity a soldier can get out of the U.S. press is from dying.
221 posted on 11/07/2003 11:58 AM CST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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She is uniquely bashed equally by both sides.... What a shame.
222 posted on 11/07/2003 11:58 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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I still don't think she really knows who is using her. I think she is just tired of the circus and needs to deal with just the ordeal she has been through. To put her through another one worse than what the Iraqis did is a media travesty. This woman is going to need a lot of thearpy to deal with her pain and loss. Adding a media frenzy really hurts her ability to get through this. My heart goes out to her and took a lot of strenth just to go into an interview and talk about it. I know we can't just leave her alone but at least we can give her some dignanty.
223 posted on 11/07/2003 11:58 AM CST by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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"Yes you called her stupid or a liar. Since she's not stupid then you called her a liar.
I've seen intellegent people who's brain didn't work at times. A failure to focus on the task at hand does not imply stupidity. A persistent failure to do so is strongly suggestive of it.
"before firing in dusty conditions because of closer tolerances."
Closer tolerances than what? The fitting of the firing pin is tight enough that no sand and dust would build up in the spacing to cause binding. Once cocked and loaded there are no other mechanisms that could get stuck resulting in a failure to fire. If a light hammer blow(dust) resulted in a misfire, it could be immediately cleared. Unless the owner allowed the inside of the reciever to fill with a significant amout of sand and/or dust, the shooter could clear it with one, or a few manual cycles.
"I looks like she is just humbly saying that she shouldn't have been labeled a hero out of respect for those who are the heros."
That could be, but this is the NY Daily News. Are they the liberal media? They said she, "angrily accused the pentagon of using her for propaganda."
224 posted on 11/07/2003 11:59 AM CST by spunkets
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So you keep telling me. So perhaps you could share with me your knowledge that the quote attributed to her is false?
Read the article! She never said "The Army used me."...period. They quoted her out of context. The liberals are trying to make it look like it's all the military's fault when it's the fault of the Washington Post.
225 posted on 11/07/2003 11:59 AM CST by #3Fan
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"Going back to DU?"
I don't even know what the h-ll DU is, but there are some vicious s.o.b.'s in this place who would tear to shreds a teenage girl who just returned from the torments of Hell, who was used as an "experiment" on the battlefield by the feminists, is still struggling to walk, and still suffers from memory loss, and who was being used as a pawn by every political agenda and news media outlet for their own selfish gain.
Once these things clear up a bit over time, she will then have to deal with the anal rapes she endured at the hands of smelly Iraqi scum while her limbs were still broken and bleeding. At age nineteen she's had enough pain and nightmarish experiences to last a dozen lifetimes. I look at Jessica Lynch as a victim of feminism, and that includes the feminazis in the Pentagon who are experimenting with women on the battlefied.
226 posted on 11/07/2003 11:59 AM CST by TheCrusader
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I agree wholeheartedly. Women do NOT need to be in war. If they want to be nurses, or stay behind enemy lines doing clerical or other kinds of safer work, so be it. But to put them in harm's way only begs for this kind of treatment. I feel sorry for her.
227 posted on 11/07/2003 12:00 PM CST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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Because middle-class white men would rather sit on their butts in an air-conditioned office and let poor women fight their battles for them.
Oh yeah! I see you're REAL familiar with our military forces.
228 posted on 11/07/2003 12:01 PM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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I don't blame the Pentagon for not wanting to kill a good story. We needed this story. Morale in this country was in the pits after a week of POWs on TV.
Read it again.... Hers is the response of a humble person who doesn't want to be in the limelight. They say they don't deserve it and wish it wouldn't have been done to them. The Pentagon can take this heat. They don't even have to answer it.
229 posted on 11/07/2003 12:01 PM CST by HairOfTheDog
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"Saying the story is wrong is whining?"
NO!! Saying the Army used her by filming the recovery.
230 posted on 11/07/2003 12:01 PM CST by mass55th
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I think she was saying there was no need to film the rescue.
231 posted on 11/07/2003 12:02 PM CST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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And you called me angry. :-D You need a nap, or at least a snack.
I didn't call you angry. And again, you had 4 quotes there but none were as the title. The title is a lie. If I said "My company used me.", that would imply I was angry. If I said "My company used me to promote their latest line of widgets.", that would imply that I was just earning my pay. You can't see the propaganda in the title?
232 posted on 11/07/2003 12:03 PM CST by #3Fan
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So you're a jarhead, are you? You might be surprised about what I know about jarheads.
I think you may have misunderstood my comment.
233 posted on 11/07/2003 12:03 PM CST by independentmind
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So, I'm to ignore comments I hear and take no action because it might not be true?
Oh, so I just let her chastise the U.S. and the soldiers removing her from that hospital?
No thanks. They took the risk to go in and get her - she should respect them for that - not go on TV and call them liars.
234 posted on 11/07/2003 12:03 PM CST by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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The only reason she's being bashed here is because it sounds like she's bashing the military. If I find out that she didn't really bash the military and the quotes were wrong then I'll take back my bashing and defend her again.
235 posted on 11/07/2003 12:04 PM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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Read the article!
There's that anger again. Tsk tsk.
Having been the first respondent to this thread, and having cited an excerpt from the article, I think by now it's apparent to most but you that I'm quite familiar with the article's content.
236 posted on 11/07/2003 12:05 PM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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I think she's also getting a scholarship to go to school to be a teacher. All paid for by us, I guess. I don't mind, but ... she's young. We have to give her some grace here.
237 posted on 11/07/2003 12:06 PM CST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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She is uniquely bashed equally by both sides.... What a shame.
Yeah, she is all things to all people that have some agenda to be peeved about.
238 posted on 11/07/2003 12:06 PM CST by #3Fan
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At age nineteen she's had enough pain and nightmarish experiences to last a dozen lifetimes.
At the age of 19 she is also not ready for the onslaught of critical attention she has been getting. This woman has been through hell. I don't know if I could have held up as well as she has under the circumstances. She is going to need all the money from the book/movie just to pay for the lawyers and therapists to keep her from going insane over all this!
239 posted on 11/07/2003 12:09 PM CST by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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Very true. I sure hope she's not trying to please those like we have here on this thread with her comments, because they will never like her no matter what she does. And unfortunately, the dumber someone is, the louder they are when they've got something they think they should be upset about. So the dumb are outshouting the smart on this issue.
240 posted on 11/07/2003 12:09 PM CST by #3Fan
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"Are you telling me you would not want to talk if this were you and you had all this crap flying around about you?"
Frankly, if I had been anally raped by a bunch of Iraqis, I wouldn't want anyone to know. She's upset that they filmed the rescue, but she has no problem publishing the fact that she was sodomized? So they filmed the rescue...big deal! I'd be so grateful that I was alive that I could care less if they had 20 cameras on me. I think down the road, Jessica Lynch will end up feeling used by more than just the military.
241 posted on 11/07/2003 12:11 PM CST by mass55th
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With the exception of nurses, females should not be allowed within 1,000 miles of a combat zone. Get them away from the front lines, out of the cockpits, and off the ships. Period.
242 posted on 11/07/2003 12:11 PM CST by quark
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I didn't call you angry.
Post #145: By the way, can you tell me what you're so angry about?
Your credibility is waning.
243 posted on 11/07/2003 12:11 PM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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Is it their job to read every newspaper account and then have a press conference to correct all the wrong stories? I don't think so.
Actually, yes, that is pretty much exactly the job of the Army's public affairs and press offices. Maybe not all stories, but one as major as they played this one at the time, damn right they better be on it. (Vietnam Lesson #254)
244 posted on 11/07/2003 12:12 PM CST by Heyworth
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"Maybe that she complains about being used by going on a primetime tv special and hawking her book. It would ring a little more true if she were not using the situation to sell books."
More b.s., Jessica Lynch could be a national hero and very wealthy, if she chose to allow the liars in the media out there to attribute acts to her that never happened. If you have the ability to pay attention to DETAILS, you will realize that her going on television and writing a book about the truth is actually taking millions of dollars away from herself. She is refusing to let people call her a hero, she is telling the facts as they only she knows they happened. She is setting the record straight by saying, in effect: "look, don't make me into something I'm not. I never fired my weapon or fought with anybody. All I did was survive a terrible ordeal."
Be refuting the media and army hype about her story, this girl is sacrificing much money and fame to maintain her personal integrity and character. She just wants to be herself. I used to be against the "Army hero" Jessica Lynch, but now that I see her courage and moral conviction she has become a power of example for me. God love her.
245 posted on 11/07/2003 12:12 PM CST by TheCrusader
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" This kid, (and yes, she is just a kid), has been used by the feminists, the liberal media, the US Army and even by the ghost writer who is making money on her painful story. "
I'll be the first to tell you the Army is capable of serious screw-ups, but I'm enough of a loyalist to get my back up over this constant lying crap about the Army "using" or "abusing" her.
Just what did this Army "abuse" consist of? That they released the ops tape of her rescue when millions of us were praying for her and wondering every single day what happened to Jessica and Shoshana and Laurie?
--Army vet, Army dad.
246 posted on 11/07/2003 12:13 PM CST by cookcounty
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"At the age of 19 she is also not ready for the onslaught of critical attention she has been getting. This woman has been through hell. I don't know if I could have held up as well as she has under the circumstances. She is going to need all the money from the book/movie just to pay for the lawyers and therapists to keep her from going insane over all this!"
You just said it better than I ever could.
247 posted on 11/07/2003 12:14 PM CST by TheCrusader
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"I used to be against the "Army hero" Jessica Lynch, but now that I see her courage and moral conviction she has become a power of example for me. God love her."
Glad to see the honesty and the sentiment.
248 posted on 11/07/2003 12:14 PM CST by CWOJackson
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My thoughts exactly. She wouldn't have gotten the big book deal if the "truth" had been spoken at the time. Real convient on her part to trash the army after her book came out.
249 posted on 11/07/2003 12:14 PM CST by dc27
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Also the last thing until she gets help from all this is to get married.
250 posted on 11/07/2003 12:15 PM CST by bmwcyle (Hillary's election to President will start a civil war)
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Jessica: Army used me
NY Daily News ^ | November 7, 2003 | CORKY SIEMASZKO
Posted on 11/07/2003 9:31 AM CST by presidio9
A humble person would say all the things she has so far said about being put in the limelight. What she has said here is no that shocking.
And she would be bashed for writing a book about her capture and not mentioning what happened during that capture. She says that she doesn't remember it, so I hardly think it is going to be full of lucious details. I am sure many will be disappointed.
251 posted on 11/07/2003 12:15 PM CST by HairOfTheDog
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>>>>However, in her effort to deflect the praise of being a hero, she necessarily made it out like the Pentagon had some elaborate plan to "use" her and her rescue.
She may not know where the info was released from. Besides, she feels used. She is angry. She is hurt. She is humiliated. She is emotionally scared. She is physically scared. She wants this all to go away. Don't blame her for blaming the Pentagon. In her eyes and state of mind (and reinforced by the media circus that won't go away), my cats are at fault too.
Stop by to learn more about and support Lt. Col. Allen B. West I spoke to him last night and his lawyer will be sending more information that will soon be posted.
252 posted on 11/07/2003 12:16 PM CST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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I've seen intellegent people who's brain didn't work at times. A failure to focus on the task at hand does not imply stupidity. A persistent failure to do so is strongly suggestive of it.
Glad to see you admit you shouldn't have said what you said then.
Closer tolerances than what?
Than other guns! What do you think? lol
The fitting of the firing pin is tight enough that no sand and dust would build up in the spacing to cause binding. Once cocked and loaded there are no other mechanisms that could get stuck resulting in a failure to fire. If a light hammer blow(dust) resulted in a misfire, it could be immediately cleared. Unless the owner allowed the inside of the reciever to fill with a significant amout of sand and/or dust, the shooter could clear it with one, or a few manual cycles.
Blah, blah, blah. All I know is that those with as much experience as you with these guns said they can indeed jam before firing and they said it was because of closer tolerances than say, an AK47. Discussions about pins mean nothing to me, we didn't go that deep.
That could be, but this is the NY Daily News. Are they the liberal media?
Yep. The New York Post and the Wall Street Journal are the only two good papers in New York (and the Wall Street Journal does have liberal reporters, but their editorial page isn't bad).
They said she, "angrily accused the pentagon of using her for propaganda."
They lied. She said she was "hurt". But that could mean anything, she could be hurt because of all the hate directed toward her by people like you who are using this stuff to bash her.
253 posted on 11/07/2003 12:17 PM CST by #3Fan
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I sure hope she's not trying to please those like we have here on this thread with her comments...
I hope that at her age she knows that she will not be able to please everybody about her life. No matter what she says she will forever have some people hating her or what she stands for. Knowing this at 19 is a burden to carry unless she has the wisdom and strenth to do it. Appearently she has the strenth. God help her with the wisdom. I hope that after everything is said and done about her she can still stand tall and have some self-respect.
254 posted on 11/07/2003 12:17 PM CST by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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"Just what did this Army "abuse" consist of?"
I think, among many other things, Jessica Lynch feels used and abused by the feminists, (including those in the Pentagon), who have used her as a battlefied experiment to see if girls can be good soldiers. Most conservatives are against women in combat roles, myself included. It's easy to fool a young girl into thinking they can handle combat as well as a man; I'm guessing that Jessica thinks differently now, that she feels like she's been taken on a cruel, torturous ride.
255 posted on 11/07/2003 12:19 PM CST by TheCrusader
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Lynch says her unit was sent into battle armed only with M-16s - no grenades or anti-tank weapons - and in lumbering trucks
I don't know if this is Lynch, or the media distorting this (probably the latter).
Lynch's convoy wasn't sent into battle. She was a member of a supply company, and they were never intended to "do battle."
An argument could be made that they should have been better armed and protected. And CERTAINLY an argument should be made that women should not have been put so close to battle lines. But it is not true that Lynch and company were "sent into battle."
256 posted on 11/07/2003 12:21 PM CST by shhrubbery!
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Her big mistake is appearing on ABC.
257 posted on 11/07/2003 12:22 PM CST by Tribune7 (It's not like he let his secretary drown in his car or something.)
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NO!! Saying the Army used her by filming the recovery.
What the hell do you guys want? You've said for months that she should come out and deny what was said and then when she does, you accuse her of whining. You people are just bashers, that's all. I hope to hell she isn't trying to please people like you, because you are too inconsistent to know what you want. She need do do what Johnny Cash did and take a full page ad out with her giving the finger to everyone criticizing her.
258 posted on 11/07/2003 12:22 PM CST by #3Fan
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I thought that was a major problem there in the dusty Gulf. What are they supposed to do, keep their guns in ziploc bags?
259 posted on 11/07/2003 12:23 PM CST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- Doug from Upland)
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She also disputed the Pentagon's early version of her capture by Iraqis
Where's that press release Corky? What actually happened is that media published outlandish rumors because they're lazy morons.
260 posted on 11/07/2003 12:23 PM CST by MattAMiller
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"If this was media concoction, then why did the Pentagon let it stand?"
Because they didn't know all the facts. If they had to go and correct every media mis-statement, it would take all 135,000 people. Do you think in the middle of this they are going to waste precious manpower trying to get the exact story?
Somebody in uniform who seemed to have some connection with her said she fought hard. So what? The fact remains, that she broke her back, and thereafter, with a broken back, by her own testimony, she attempted to fight back. If her weapon hadn't jammed, it's likely she would have been shot to death. So it's not too hard to see that a fellow soldier, imbued with team spirit, wanted to accredit her with some level of heroism ---so what? Why is this a crisis?
261 posted on 11/07/2003 12:23 PM CST by cookcounty
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No thanks. They took the risk to go in and get her - she should respect them for that - not go on TV and call them liars.
Speaking of liars... She called the people that rescued her heros.
262 posted on 11/07/2003 12:24 PM CST by #3Fan
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We gave her the chance to fight and die in one of our most glorious wars . . . and this how she repays us? Send the b---h to Camp X-Ray in Guantanamo!
263 posted on 11/07/2003 12:24 PM CST by Charlotte M. Corday
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Welcome to the forum, Charlotte. I do look forward to more of your contributions.
264 posted on 11/07/2003 12:25 PM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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Having been the first respondent to this thread, and having cited an excerpt from the article, I think by now it's apparent to most but you that I'm quite familiar with the article's content.
And so show me the quote in the title.
265 posted on 11/07/2003 12:25 PM CST by #3Fan
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"She is being honest."
As far as she can remember, perhaps. I mean, the girl was raped and didn't remember it. The injuries she sustained and the circumstances surrounding the accident were enough to put anyone in shock. Who knows what kind of pain meds she was being given at the hospital (if any at all).
Her memories could easily be faulty.
266 posted on 11/07/2003 12:25 PM CST by MEGoody
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"You've said for months that she should come out and deny what was said and then when she does, you accuse her of whining. You people are just bashers, that's all"
Get your facts straight will you? Perhaps you can show me where I said what you've accused me of. I think you have me confused with some other people on FR. I've never demanded that she say anything to anyone. I've been under the impression all this time that she had no memory of anything.
267 posted on 11/07/2003 12:26 PM CST by mass55th
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And so show me the quote in the title.
LOL! You're not letting that credibility problem slow you down at all, are you?
268 posted on 11/07/2003 12:26 PM CST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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Your credibility is waning.
You guys sound alike.
269 posted on 11/07/2003 12:28 PM CST by #3Fan
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I'll be the first to tell you the Army is capable of serious screw-ups, but I'm enough of a loyalist to get my back up over this constant lying crap about the Army "using" or "abusing" her. Just what did this Army "abuse" consist of? That they released the ops tape of her rescue when millions of us were praying for her and wondering every single day what happened to Jessica and Shoshana and Laurie?
Read the article again. The title is a lie.
270 posted on 11/07/2003 12:29 PM CST by #3Fan
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"We gave her the chance to fight and die in one of our most glorious wars"
Actually, she was on the supply team, not a battle team, and she joined up voluntarily, so she apparently wanted to be involved in such things.
271 posted on 11/07/2003 12:30 PM CST by MEGoody
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I said all along that Jessica Lynch is no hero, but now I'm not so sure. This kid, (and yes, she is just a kid), has been used by the feminists, the liberal media, the US Army and even by the ghost writer who is making money on her painful story.
I would say it wasn't just the liberal media, but all media. Fox was right up there trumpeting her ordeal.
272 posted on 11/07/2003 12:32 PM CST by ThatsAllFolks2
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I hope that at her age she knows that she will not be able to please everybody about her life. No matter what she says she will forever have some people hating her or what she stands for. Knowing this at 19 is a burden to carry unless she has the wisdom and strenth to do it. Appearently she has the strenth. God help her with the wisdom. I hope that after everything is said and done about her she can still stand tall and have some self-respect.
Well put.
273 posted on 11/07/2003 12:32 PM CST by #3Fan
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Get your facts straight will you? Perhaps you can show me where I said what you've accused me of. I think you have me confused with some other people on FR. I've never demanded that she say anything to anyone. I've been under the impression all this time that she had no memory of anything.
By "you", I meant your side. I thought it was obvious.
274 posted on 11/07/2003 12:36 PM CST by #3Fan
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" (the Marines firing into the night at nothing)."
I'm wondering how you know the "Marines" knew in advance that there was "nothing." As to the "tracer show," It would be normal in such a situation to set up diversionary fire. Probably incompetent NOT to do it.
Thanks for remaining a civilian. You may have saved the lives of many of our troops by your choice.
275 posted on 11/07/2003 12:39 PM CST by cookcounty
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LOL! You're not letting that credibility problem slow you down at all, are you?
Credibilty because I forgot one post out of 300? Your overeaction to that little mistake speaks volumes. Again show me in the article where Lynch says "I was used". There is no period after the "used", that means the title is a quote out of context and a lie. Amazing you're defending this liberal rag for their lies.
276 posted on 11/07/2003 12:40 PM CST by #3Fan
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LOL! You're not letting that credibility problem slow you down at all, are you?
Credibilty because I forgot one post out of 300? Your overeaction to that little mistake speaks volumes. Again show me in the article where Lynch says "I was used". There is no period after the "used", that means the title is a quote out of context and a lie. Amazing you're defending this liberal rag for their lies.
277 posted on 11/07/2003 12:41 PM CST by #3Fan
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"By "you", I meant your side. I thought it was obvious."
My side? You think you know me well enough to lump me in with everyone else? You flatter yourself. I don't like PFC Lynch bad-mouthing the military, that's my one complaint. How you managed to label me as having done something I didn't do, makes you no better than the media's tales of Lynch's heroic acts under fire.
278 posted on 11/07/2003 12:44 PM CST by mass55th
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"Glad to see you admit you shouldn't have said what you said then.
You didn't comprehend all that was said. I meant what I said first and stick by it. Elaboration is not retraction.
"Than other guns! What do you think? lol... Discussions about pins mean nothing to me, we didn't go that deep.
Yet you argue with someone who knows and gives you facts.
" They lied. She said she was "hurt".
The Army bolsters the image of it's members by speeking positively about them and assuming the actions of it's members were in accord with the highest traditions and honor. It's good for morale. The Army doesn't respond with what may in fact be more truthful initial assesments of incidents such as this one. It's seems PFC Lynch would have prefered that. Had they done so, she'd still be shooting off her mouth about something else.
She PFC Lynch isn't focusing on America's intrest in ridding the region of Iraq of criminal ops and terrorists. Her focus is not on the interests of the US military and it's members performing the cleansing of the region. Her focus is on PFC Lynch and whatever mental wanderings are going on at the time she opens her mouth.
She second guessed the reason they filmed her rescue and got it wrong. The Army does what it can to rescue it's POWs. Not only does the filming and written record of that op serve for training purposes. It serves as a morale booster for both the armed services and the American public, in the face of leftist detractors. So it can be viewed as propaganda, but to focus on that empty statement alone is really shameful.
279 posted on 11/07/2003 12:44 PM CST by spunkets
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"They used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff,"
Is there anybody who has ever been in military service who was not used?????
THIS IS NOT NEWS!
280 posted on 11/07/2003 12:45 PM CST by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947.)
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Lynch's convoy wasn't sent into battle. She was a member of a supply company, and they were never intended to "do battle."
281 posted on 11/07/2003 12:45 PM CST by PeyersPatches (I AM intestinal fortitude)
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You're most welcome!
282 posted on 11/07/2003 12:48 PM CST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take a chance?)
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Why is it nasty to tell the truth? I think everything she's saying is honorable. She's saying she is not the hero, the people who risked their lives to save her are the heroes. You don't agree with that?
283 posted on 11/07/2003 12:48 PM CST by Hildy
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I'm so tired of the armchair quarterbacks here on FreeRepublic second guessing what families should and should not do when the media spotlight is shining on them. From this to Elizabeth Smart. People do what they think is the right thing to do. Maybe when they look back on things, they would do them differently. God help any of you if you find yourself in a similar position.
284 posted on 11/07/2003 12:52 PM CST by Hildy
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re-read my post. I did not say she was nasty but that the whole Jessica Lynch story was getting nasty. She disses the Iraqi and the Pentagon, others diss her. All of which to me looks nasty. I have no way of knowing whether there is something going on with the Iraqi man that makes what we've been told about him untrue. All I know is that there is a lot of uncertainy about everyone's story in this episode and the scuttlebut around it is, in my opinion, getting nasty. That an operation that originally brought pride to all of us has degenerated to this is, in my opinion, too bad.
285 posted on 11/07/2003 12:54 PM CST by Hillary's Folly (Let me introduce you to some people I hate. Click me.)
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Some things in the news refuse to die. I will be happy when this whole thing gets put to bed. Disection of Jessica's past needs to fuel the reason why we are there in some of these God forsaken countries.
Think that the average woman in Iraq was subject to same treatment of Jessica had if they thought they had 'basic human rights' or to rebel against Saddam. This is part of the war on terrorism and the cost of freedom.
286 posted on 11/07/2003 12:55 PM CST by Issaquahking
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My side? You think you know me well enough to lump me in with everyone else?
With the insecure and the perpetually angry...yes. lol
You flatter yourself. I don't like PFC Lynch bad-mouthing the military, that's my one complaint. How you managed to label me as having done something I didn't do, makes you no better than the media's tales of Lynch's heroic acts under fire.
Well then you're no better either, because the article didn't say she badmouthed the military.
287 posted on 11/07/2003 12:56 PM CST by #3Fan
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The neo-cons can do no wrong.
288 posted on 11/07/2003 12:59 PM CST by philosofy123
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"Disection of Jesica's past" refers to her abuse as a captured prisoner, nothing more intended.
289 posted on 11/07/2003 12:59 PM CST by Issaquahking
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"Well then you're no better either, because the article didn't say she badmouthed the military."
If saying the military USED her isn't bad-mouthing them, then your definition of bad-mouthing is totally different from mine. Here's what the dictionary definition of bad-mouthing is:
To criticize or disparage, often spitefully or unfairly; run down.
I'd say she criticized the military unfairly.
290 posted on 11/07/2003 1:02 PM CST by mass55th
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You didn't comprehend all that was said. I meant what I said first and stick by it. Elaboration is not retraction.
It sure looked like a retraction. Well, then if you're calling her a liar again, you accuse on no evidence and you may be wrong anyway because of what I said about the jamming.
Yet you argue with someone who knows and gives you facts.
Because I've seen what men better than you have said. You have no credibility with me since you called Lynch a liar on no evidence.
The Army bolsters the image of it's members by speeking positively about them and assuming the actions of it's members were in accord with the highest traditions and honor. It's good for morale. The Army doesn't respond with what may in fact be more truthful initial assesments of incidents such as this one. It's seems PFC Lynch would have prefered that. Had they done so, she'd still be shooting off her mouth about something else.
You again accuse on no evidence. Because of what was said about her then, half the country composed of people like you dislike her now. I can understand her being hurt by that. I personally think she should flip you guys off, but I'm a hothead.
She PFC Lynch isn't focusing on America's intrest in ridding the region of Iraq of criminal ops and terrorists. Her focus is not on the interests of the US military and it's members performing the cleansing of the region. Her focus is on PFC Lynch and whatever mental wanderings are going on at the time she opens her mouth.
Accuse, accuse, accuse and there's no evidence to back what you say. You have no credibility whatsoever. She simply said she is hurt by what has been said about her.
She second guessed the reason they filmed her rescue and got it wrong. The Army does what it can to rescue it's POWs. Not only does the filming and written record of that op serve for training purposes. It serves as a morale booster for both the armed services and the American public, in the face of leftist detractors. So it can be viewed as propaganda, but to focus on that empty statement alone is really shameful.
You are shameful. You accuse on no evidence. That is very shameful.
291 posted on 11/07/2003 1:04 PM CST by #3Fan
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Hmmmmm...........
292 posted on 11/07/2003 1:05 PM CST by BigBadBrian
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She disses the Iraqi and the Pentagon, others diss her.
She didn't diss him! She said she would meet him in private. If she would've met him public, you guys would've been complaining that she was hogging the spotlight. You people are perpetually angry.
293 posted on 11/07/2003 1:10 PM CST by #3Fan
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If saying the military USED her isn't bad-mouthing them, then your definition of bad-mouthing is totally different from mine.
Read the article. She said she was used for morale. She didn't just say she was used. There's a big difference there.
I'd say she criticized the military unfairly.
You believe everything a liberal reporter says to you then.
294 posted on 11/07/2003 1:13 PM CST by #3Fan
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Got something to say?
295 posted on 11/07/2003 1:14 PM CST by #3Fan
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You people are perpetually angry.
First of all, you don't know me at all. Secondly, you seem to be the one who's angry. Thirdly, the incident as it was reported seemed like a dis, but I wasn't there so I don't know. Some say it was a dis, you say it wasn't. After your unwarranted attack on me I have no reason to believe you are necessarily more trustworthy than anyone one else.
But all of this thread simply proves my inital point: This Jessica Lynch saga is getting nasty. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
296 posted on 11/07/2003 1:17 PM CST by Hillary's Folly (Let me introduce you to some people I hate. Click me.)
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"but I'm a hothead."
Well there's certainly a lack of focus and logic in your posts. You're saying that's just, because you're emotionally driven?
297 posted on 11/07/2003 1:18 PM CST by spunkets
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But all of this thread simply proves my inital point: This Jessica Lynch saga is getting nasty
"is"? Where've you been? The nutty part of the right have been attacking her nonstop since April 1.
298 posted on 11/07/2003 1:21 PM CST by #3Fan
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This is sad. I hate to disrespect someone who has served our country, but I just don't get where Jessica is coming from.
She said by filming her rescue the military was "using her", but the book deal and movie is not??? You can't have it both ways just because money is involved.
I just don't get it.
299 posted on 11/07/2003 1:22 PM CST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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Well there's certainly a lack of focus and logic in your posts.
When in Rome...
You're saying that's just, because you're emotionally driven?
I'm saying that's there's no way I'd suck up to you people if I were her. Like I said, I'd take out a full page ad like Johnny Cash did.
300 posted on 11/07/2003 1:23 PM CST by #3Fan
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This is sad. I hate to disrespect someone who has served our country, but I just don't get where Jessica is coming from. She said by filming her rescue the military was "using her", but the book deal and movie is not??? You can't have it both ways just because money is involved. I just don't get it.
It's liberal propaganda. The title is a quote out of context. It's a lie.
301 posted on 11/07/2003 1:24 PM CST by #3Fan
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"I just don't get it."
She doesn't either. Maybe someday she will.
302 posted on 11/07/2003 1:28 PM CST by spunkets
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"Where've you been?" This is the first Jessica Lynch thread I've ever been on. I haven't followed her story since the day she came home until I read the story last week about not meeting with the Iraqi guy who helped (or didn't help) her. I'm not emotionally involved in it.
303 posted on 11/07/2003 1:28 PM CST by Hillary's Folly (Let me introduce you to some people I hate. Click me.)
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Just as expected.
304 posted on 11/07/2003 1:30 PM CST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, dont waive your rights!)
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Sawyer and the other America-hating lefties are perhaps twisting Jessica's words against her, selectively editing what she says and taking statements out of context.
Knowing the media is famous for perverting information to serve their own purposes, how accurate do you really think this story is? Couldn't they be tilting it the way they are because they know it will fuel those who are anti-war (already on their side) and sow discord among us who are pro-war, pro-Bush and pro-America (the ones they want to win over)? The greatest weapon the Left can use against us is doubt and it's seed is so easily planted. Don't let that seed take root and bring dissent within our ranks--now is the time we must be stronger than ever. Our troops are counting on us. Our President is counting on us. Our nation is counting on us.
I don't mean to let Jessica completely off the hook by saying what I said. I do think she needs to be very careful what she says to keep from giving the media any more fuel than than they already have. That being said, she has suffered tremendous physical, mental and emotional trauma that will take years for her to recover from and deserves to be cut some slack. She may have never intended to fight but when she found out she was being deployed to Iraq she didn't try to get out of it, she went and the job the best she knew how. I have a friend whose sister enlisted and when she found out they were sending her to Iraq immediately called her mother whining, "They're making me go to Iraq!" Her mother matter-of-factly replied, "You're the one who signed up. You knew the risks when you joined."
305 posted on 11/07/2003 1:33 PM CST by Donaeus (RED, WHITE & BLUE Flag wavin' yahoo an' proud of it!)
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I find it important to defend good people against slander. There's been nothing but slander against her from the nutty part of the right since day 1.
306 posted on 11/07/2003 1:35 PM CST by #3Fan
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Exactly. I think many here know it's bull but are willingly supporting it because of the insecurities Lynch draws out of them.
307 posted on 11/07/2003 1:36 PM CST by #3Fan
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"Read the article. She said she was used for morale."
I don't see where she said that in the article. She says the video was used as a way "to symbolize all this stuff." Symbolize what stuff? The war? The rescue? It's not clear in the article, but the Daily News is spreading the word that she's angry at the Pentagon for using her for propaganda purposes. Whether the filming of her rescue was for morale, propaganda, or training purposes (probably all three), I still think she is wrong to criticize the military for doing so.
308 posted on 11/07/2003 1:37 PM CST by mass55th
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[She has no memory of the rape. The book says there was a three-hour gap after her capture, a blank in her mind, during which she was assaulted.
"Even just the thinking about that, that's too painful," she told Sawyer.]
http://www.aim.org/publications/briefings/2003/may01.html
"...Center for Military Readiness President Elaine Donnelly says the American people have not been getting the “full truth” about this issue, adding that female soldiers do not have an “equal opportunity to survive” as combatants. Syndicated columnist Mona Charen has referred to a woman’s “inherent delicacy” in being subject to sexual abuse if captured.
In answer, the media have latched on to former Desert Storm POW Army Maj. [now Colonel] Rhonda Cornum. Soon after her 1992 release, she told Newsweek that given that such victimization does not prevent escape, threaten life and limb and is not “excruciating… then it isn’t important.” In her numerous recent interviews, Col. Cornum has repeatedly stressed that sexual assault is ‘just another thing they can do to you’ in captivity and that men are at similar risk.
What is glossed over is the fact that what is the exception with respect to men is the rule for women. No male Coalition POWs captured by Saddam’s troops were subject to sexual abuse. In contrast, Col. Cornum and the other female Desert Storm POW, Army Spec. Melissa Rathbun-Nealy were indeed singled out for such treatment. That’s a zero percent vs. a one hundred percent ratio. A similar proportion exists for the risk of pregnancy consequent to rape. A woman who finds herself carrying a rapist’s child faces an agonizing decision, especially if abortion is a deep moral issue.
Initial accounts relate that Jessica Lynch kept shooting until she was out of ammo. She reportedly didn’t want to be taken alive. Why? Perhaps if male soldiers were at the same risk of the treatment Lynch was probably contemplating, they would be more likely to do the same..."
To that I would echo earlier posts on this thread saying that Jessica Lynch wouldn't have known her weapon had jammed unless she attempted to fire it.
Saddam's armed forces actually had men whose job title was something to the effect of 'taker of women's virtue.' That is, there were designated rapists on the payroll.
Thus:
"...Preparing women for combat can be appropriate, but only for Homeland Defense. In this Age of Terrorism, police officers of both sexes should receive robust training and be properly equipped for major urban warfare. The State National Guard units should also be similarly prepared. It is most appropriate that the Coast Guard has females amongst their crews. If a large-scale conflict erupts, the men deployed abroad could take comfort in knowing that the women left behind are capable of defending hearth and home rather than sitting there helpless.
Despite the way the debate is being framed in the Media, most of us who object to women serving in combat do not do so because of any doubts of their resilience, competence and/or bravery. As the details become known of Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch’s gallantry [remember, this was written in May] in the face of the enemy, many will have their confidence in women’s courage and capabilities only reinforced.
It is unfortunate to have to articulate this, but women are inherently different than men. They are part of what soldiers should be fighting to protect. Males are biologically expendable in comparison to females. Land can be recovered if lost, buildings can be reconstructed if destroyed – mothers (and future mothers) cannot.
Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson’s kids will get their mom back, Pfc. Lori Piestewa’s toddlers will not. For those at home, the loss of a mother is exponentially more significant (especially to a child) than that of a father. This fact is universally and viscerally understood by all but the most stubborn of Utopians..."
309 posted on 11/07/2003 1:40 PM CST by walford (Dogmatism swings both ways)
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310 posted on 11/07/2003 1:44 PM CST by LibWhacker
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I don't see where she said that in the article. She says the video was used as a way "to symbolize all this stuff."
Good gosh, everything has to be laid out in fine detail for you. What do you think I meant by "morale"?
Symbolize what stuff? The war? The rescue? It's not clear in the article,...
Oh boy. She was speaking of morale.
...but the Daily News is spreading the word that she's angry at the Pentagon for using her for propaganda purposes. Whether the filming of her rescue was for morale, propaganda, or training purposes (probably all three), I still think she is wrong to criticize the military for doing so.
This same body of the article was posted 4 times last night, and there was no anger by you guys. It gets posted today with a different headline and you guys go ballistic. That tells me that the title is bull and made to show some kind of "anger" by Lynch toward the military. She is not angry at the military. She is hurt that half the nation (composed of you people) dislike her because of what was said by the Washington Post. And if it was me, I'd take out an ad ala Johnny Cash to those criticizing her, but I know she won't do that.
311 posted on 11/07/2003 1:46 PM CST by #3Fan
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Sounds like Lynch is discovering there's a lot more money to be made by conforming to politically correct views of the war, the military, etc., to me. Heck, Oprah will want her, Bahbra Wahwah, liberal scumwads everywhere.
I've never thought she was a 'hero', but I certainly feel badly for her suffering what she did.
312 posted on 11/07/2003 1:51 PM CST by bluejean
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They used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff...
I wonder what part of her oath she didn't understand?
With all due respect and sympathy for what she went through, my respect for her is sinking rapidly.
It began when she was "too busy" to meet the Iraqi who risked his life to let us know where she was, now she's bitching because the Army made her look more heroic than she really was--the same Army that pulled out all the stops to affect her rescue. The same Army that respected her privacy when everyone was demanding details of her injuries and treatment.
What's next? An on-air hug from Michael Moore?
I've decided not to watch her show or buy her book.
313 posted on 11/07/2003 1:52 PM CST by PsyOp ( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
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"Oh boy. She was speaking of morale."
Does it say that in the article? I don't see the word morale used at all. She is quoted in the article as saying that she didn't know why they filmed it. If she doesn't know why they filmed it, how can she accuse the Army of using her for...MORALE...as you claim she is. I did a search for the word morale in the whole article and my word processing program found no matches.
"That tells me that the title is bull and made to show some kind of "anger" by Lynch toward the military. She is not angry at the military."
Excuse me, but the opening paragraph of this article states "Jessica Lynch has angrily accused the Pentagon of using her for propaganda." So she's not angry?
What is it with you and Johnny Cash?
314 posted on 11/07/2003 2:01 PM CST by mass55th
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Jessica is in a position now to where she may as well make a buck off of the ordeal. She's going to be paying physically for the trip to hell for the rest of her life.
I agree. An article posted on Drudge mentioned that her book reports that not only was she raped, but she has lost bowel and bladder control due to the spinal injury. (I suspected as much when the first vague reports about her extensive rehabilitation came out -- now it is confirmed by Jessica herself.)
This is a very difficult disability to live with. I hope the money she gets will help her pay for whatever experimental treatments she may want to try, that insurance won't pay for.
315 posted on 11/07/2003 2:06 PM CST by shhrubbery!
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violated by tv cameras being hooked up to Rangers so her rescue.
Those weren't TV cameras hooked up for the sole purpose of getting her rescue filmed. All spec ops use those video feed systems for command and control purposes so the folks running the show can see what the shooters do. No different than gun camera footage in fighters and bombers. It's used as an intelligence tool.
That the Army decided to release the footage, without commentary, so that the good news about her rescue can be seen by all, was not some Machiavelian propaganda move.
All of the stuff about what did or did not happen during the firefight was based on eyewitness accounts (inaccurate as they turned out to be), by those members of the convoy that escaped capture.
"In war nothing is ever as bad, or as good, as it is reported to Higher Headquarters. Any reports which emanate from a unit after dark — that is, where the knowledge has been obtained after dark — should be viewed with skepticism by the next higher unit. Reports by wounded men are always exaggerated and favor the enemy." - General George S. Patton, War As I Knew It. 1947.
"The report of no incident that happens after dark should be treated too seriously. They are always overstated." - General George S. Patton, War As I Knew It. 1947.
316 posted on 11/07/2003 2:07 PM CST by PsyOp ( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
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Thank you.
317 posted on 11/07/2003 2:18 PM CST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take a chance?)
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Does it say that in the article? I don't see the word morale used at all.
Good gosh. Again, everything has to be laid in black and white for you.
She is quoted in the article as saying that she didn't know why they filmed it. If she doesn't know why they filmed it, how can she accuse...
Accuse? She just said they used her for morale. I wouldn't call that an accusation.
...the Army of using her for...MORALE...as you claim she is. I did a search for the word morale in the whole article and my word processing program found no matches.
It's self-evident.
Excuse me, but the opening paragraph of this article states "Jessica Lynch has angrily accused the Pentagon of using her for propaganda." So she's not angry?
Whew boy. Let's start from the beginning. There is a liberal media. They loathe the military. They hate the war in Iraq. Therefore they hate the rescue of Lynch because it made the Army look good. Therefore they would love to put down the rescue. Therefore they put words into people's mouths or quote out of context to put a bad light on the military. Therefore just because a liberal reporter editorializes something that's subjective into an article, like the word "angrily", doesn't mean you should automatically believe it.
What is it with you and Johnny Cash?
Cash took out a full page ad flipping off those who were criticizing him. I think Lynch should do the same to your side.
318 posted on 11/07/2003 2:25 PM CST by #3Fan
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Do you think she is a hero?
319 posted on 11/07/2003 2:39 PM CST by CyberCowboy777 (After taking several readings, I'm surprised to find my mind still fairly sound.)
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I think those that put themselves in harm's way for others have a degree of heroism in that action, as I've said a million times. My post addressed what she said, that she wants the hero label to go those who rescued her.
320 posted on 11/07/2003 2:41 PM CST by #3Fan
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Do you think the Media is out to get Lynch?
Do you think the Pentagon taped the rescue to use as propaganda?
Do you think the Media and the Pentagon are in cahoots?
Do you think that writing a book is a sign of wanting to be left alone?
Do you think that the Pentagon never adjusted its statements as to what happened as more facts became available?
One thing is for certain - the media used Lynch to push social and political agenda and the Pentagon used the situation to turn morale about the war around. One agenda was wrong and one was right - which side will Lynch take? Who will she slam as being wrong?
I for one am gald to see she knows what makes a real hero.
321 posted on 11/07/2003 2:47 PM CST by CyberCowboy777 (After taking several readings, I'm surprised to find my mind still fairly sound.)
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They believe what they want to believe and the press in in full "attack Lynch"/"attack the military" mode and these bashers eat it up with no questions asked.
Look, #3 Fan, many of us have been saying on these threads that it is wrong to have this "Jessica!" media circus. We have been saying that such hype was detrimental to the morale of other servicemembers and their families and even to Lynch herself. We have been saying that Lynch should be treated just as any other of the POW's or as any other of the casualties.
You, on the other hand, have been the head cheerleader on FR for the "Jessica!" hype.
Now, Lynch herself is saying what we have been saying. She does not want to be labelled a false super-heroine either by the media or by the Army or by "fans" such as yourself.
This woman needs to be treated as any other Purple Heart winner and left alone to get on with her life.
322 posted on 11/07/2003 2:50 PM CST by Polybius
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Do you think the Media is out to get Lynch?
Of course.
Do you think the Pentagon taped the rescue to use as propaganda?
No. They allowed the media to have it for morale. Propaganda implies lies.
Do you think the Media and the Pentagon are in cahoots?
Of course not.
Do you think that writing a book is a sign of wanting to be left alone?
It's a sign of wanting the truth to be known so idiots will stop making false accusations.
Do you think that the Pentagon never adjusted its statements as to what happened as more facts became available?
I don't know. What were their initial claims?
One thing is for certain - the media used Lynch to push social and political agenda and the Pentagon used the situation to turn morale about the war around.
I disagree about the media. They were trying to get a story and went too soon on sketchy evidence. When they propagandize, it's more subtle and they do it when they know it'll be hard to prove. This was too easy to shoot down and therefore it was jumping the gun, not a conspiracy.
One agenda was wrong and one was right - which side will Lynch take? Who will she slam as being wrong?
Who cares. I'm just appreciative of her sacrifices for her country and everyone else who is sitting comfortably on these shores should be also and not worry about every detail of her personality.
I for one am gald to see she knows what makes a real hero.
Everyone has a different definition.
323 posted on 11/07/2003 2:58 PM CST by #3Fan
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What are they supposed to do, keep their guns in ziploc bags?
Well I suppose that would be better than being captured without having fired a shot.
324 posted on 11/07/2003 2:58 PM CST by AxelPaulsenJr (Proudly Not Reading The Headlines Since 1999)
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A three hundred post thread and not a single mention about the soldier who protected her and others in her unit who was awarded the Silver Star. And I shamefully can't remember his name.
325 posted on 11/07/2003 3:00 PM CST by A Navy Vet (government is the problem, not the solution!)
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Patrick Miller.
326 posted on 11/07/2003 3:02 PM CST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take a chance?)
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Look, #3 Fan, many of us have been saying on these threads that it is wrong to have this "Jessica!" media circus.
But it's you guys that are having the circus. Bashers outnumber defenders. The media wouldn't run these stories if there wasn't a market for it, and you guys are the market. You can't stop hating her.
We have been saying that such hype was detrimental to the morale of other servicemembers and their families and even to Lynch herself.
That's bull. Servicemembers don't care what Diane Sawyer is doing over here.
We have been saying that Lynch should be treated just as any other of the POW's or as any other of the casualties.
Then why don't you treat her that way?
You, on the other hand, have been the head cheerleader on FR for the "Jessica!" hype.
No, I've been head defender. If there were no bashers, I would be making no posts at all on this subject.
Now, Lynch herself is saying what we have been saying. She does not want to be labelled a false super-heroine either by the media or by the Army or by "fans" such as yourself.
LOL Well, I can call a hero who I want to. And while I appreciate her service, she doesn't rule my mind and I have my definition of a hero that I've elaborated on a million times here.
This woman needs to be treated as any other Purple Heart winner and left alone to get on with her life.
Then why are you posting on this thread?
327 posted on 11/07/2003 3:05 PM CST by #3Fan
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Do you think that writing a book is a sign of wanting to be left alone?
Excellent question.
328 posted on 11/07/2003 3:09 PM CST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take a chance?)
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Thank you for answering.
Your answers show your point of view. I happen to disagree, but then I was wrong once before.
I have yet to see one bit of bad press about Lynch.
Giving the video of a rescue to boast morale implies no lies to me.
Funny that some here think everyone is out to get Lynch. Kind of make thems heros - protecting her from the media, the pentagon, Bush and the "haters".
If the intentions was to limit false accusations, why not make a written statement and refuse interviews and book promotions? Why even write a book?
The pentagon did nothing wrong in releasing the video and there was nothing wrong with using it to boast morale. Lynch is wrong. The media should be her target, yet she grants them interviews where they can control the dissemination. Interesting.
329 posted on 11/07/2003 3:09 PM CST by CyberCowboy777 (After taking several readings, I'm surprised to find my mind still fairly sound.)
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Writing one statement and refusing interviews is a sign of wanting to be left alone.
I would really like to know the psychological analysis of a person who believes everyone is out to get them, even two groups that are enemies are somehow bound in the pursuit to destroy them.
330 posted on 11/07/2003 3:13 PM CST by CyberCowboy777 (After taking several readings, I'm surprised to find my mind still fairly sound.)
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SOMETHING needs to be improved. Could the guns be carried inside clear plastic bags that still allow them to be operated? One would have to replace the bag after firing the gun, but that would be a minor nuisance at best.
331 posted on 11/07/2003 3:13 PM CST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. Go Godsquad!!!)
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Iraqi Doctors Dispute Lynch Rape Claim
Which doesn't mean that it didn't happen, just that they saw no evidence of it.
332 posted on 11/07/2003 3:16 PM CST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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They changed the title of the article just moments after I linked it. New title, new picture - same article.
Doctors Dismiss Lynch Bio's Rape Claims
333 posted on 11/07/2003 3:20 PM CST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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Oh, so this is just to trash the government then?
334 posted on 11/07/2003 3:21 PM CST by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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Oops. They added 7 paragraphs to the end of the original article.
335 posted on 11/07/2003 3:23 PM CST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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Thank you for answering. Your answers show your point of view. I happen to disagree, but then I was wrong once before. I have yet to see one bit of bad press about Lynch.
They hate the rescue.
Giving the video of a rescue to boast morale implies no lies to me.
Of course it doesn't. That's not what I said, I said using the word "propaganda" implies someone is lying. It's fine to boost morale.
Funny that some here think everyone is out to get Lynch. Kind of make thems heros - protecting her from the media, the pentagon, Bush and the "haters".
Some are out to get her. They nitpick and focus on the negative. They pretend that torture never happen, say she got "excellent care", and call her a whore and white trash. Where've you been?
If the intentions was to limit false accusations, why not make a written statement and refuse interviews and book promotions? Why even write a book?
It's a free country. If there are people that want to read a book about her, she should write it. Why are you against bookwriting?
The pentagon did nothing wrong in releasing the video and there was nothing wrong with using it to boast morale. Lynch is wrong.
Wrong about what? She said it was wrong to tell a false story about her. It was the Washington Post that did that. That false story caused the dull-minded of this country to dislike her. I can see why she would be hurt by that.
The media should be her target, yet she grants them interviews where they can control the dissemination. Interesting.
Maybe she feels all the hate directed toward her by the dull-minded that dislike her could've been avoided if the false story would've been shown for what it was.
You're a nitpicker for complaining about this, sitting in your easy-chair while she has a broken back.
336 posted on 11/07/2003 3:30 PM CST by #3Fan
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Which doesn't mean that it didn't happen, just that they saw no evidence of it.
You believe them? You don't reckon they have anything to hide do you?
337 posted on 11/07/2003 3:32 PM CST by #3Fan
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Oh, so this is just to trash the government then?
What are you talking about?
338 posted on 11/07/2003 3:33 PM CST by #3Fan
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Now you are putting words in my mouth. I have nothing against book writing.
I am simply stating the obvious - Writing one statement and refusing interviews is a sign of wanting to be left alone. Doing interviews, writing a book and claiming the Army "use" you is not.
Please show me one hit piece on Lynch from the mainstream media - I must have missed it.
339 posted on 11/07/2003 3:35 PM CST by CyberCowboy777 (After taking several readings, I'm surprised to find my mind still fairly sound.)
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But it's you guys that are having the circus. Bashers outnumber defenders.
You forgot those of us who advocate treating equally and leaving her in peace.
That's bull. Servicemembers don't care what Diane Sawyer is doing over here.
How quickly you forget the threads about Lynch's comrades whose families wonder why their loved ones aren't even noticed.
We have been saying that Lynch should be treated just as any other of the POW's or as any other of the casualties.......... Then why don't you treat her that way?
My posts have always argued that. I have never criticized Lynch. I have strongly criticized the sick hype.
You, on the other hand, have been the head cheerleader on FR for the "Jessica!" hype........ No, I've been head defender. If there were no bashers, I would be making no posts at all on this subject.
As I recall, you were a head cheerleader during the "Medal of Honor for Jessica" threads and you were the head cheerleader making her out to be a female Rambo. That is precisely the kind of hype she now hates.
LOL Well, I can call a hero who I want to.
I think she's a hero, too. It's the over-the-top hype that I argue against.
This woman needs to be treated as any other Purple Heart winner and left alone to get on with her life........ Then why are you posting on this thread?
To try to stop this sick hype.
340 posted on 11/07/2003 3:41 PM CST by Polybius
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Prozac. It does wonders I hear.
341 posted on 11/07/2003 3:50 PM CST by PeyersPatches (I AM intestinal fortitude)
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Now you are putting words in my mouth. I have nothing against book writing.
Funny how you keep mentioning it.
I am simply stating the obvious - Writing one statement and refusing interviews is a sign of wanting to be left alone. Doing interviews, writing a book and claiming the Army "use" you is not.
You're going off a liberal reporter's headline. He quoted her out of context. He lied.
Please show me one hit piece on Lynch from the mainstream media - I must have missed it.
Yeah, you must've missed all the stories where she supposedly dissed the Iraqi lawyer. Funny, but CNN forgot to mention that Lynch said she would meet him in private.
342 posted on 11/07/2003 3:51 PM CST by #3Fan
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As one of the majority of Americans that do not get cable I can only go by what I read in the papers and on the Internet and see in local/national broadcast news.
Not harsh word about Lynch.
I highly doubt the interview by Sawyer will be unflattering to Lynch - but you can bet it will highlight the failings and deceptions of the Pentagon.
Did Lynch ever say that the Army used her?
343 posted on 11/07/2003 3:55 PM CST by CyberCowboy777 (After taking several readings, I'm surprised to find my mind still fairly sound.)
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You forgot those of us who advocate treating equally and leaving her in peace.
The best way to leave her in peace is to not post on threads about her.
How quickly you forget the threads about Lynch's comrades whose families wonder why their loved ones aren't even noticed.
I think they're upset about other things. They've lost family members after all.
My posts have always argued that. I have never criticized Lynch. I have strongly criticized the sick hype.
Hype that you contribute to by posting on these threads. Without a market, there would be no hype.
As I recall, you were a head cheerleader during the "Medal of Honor for Jessica" threads and you were the head cheerleader making her out to be a female Rambo.
You're lying. I never claimed she killed nine Iraqis. As for the other, yeah, I've been head defender.
That is precisely the kind of hype she now hates.
Hype that you contibute to by posting here. You bashers go away, and I'll go away.
I think she's a hero, too. It's the over-the-top hype that I argue against.
Aren't you over-the-top by posting about her 7 months after she was rescued?
To try to stop this sick hype.
As long as the bashers bash, the media will oblige.
344 posted on 11/07/2003 3:57 PM CST by #3Fan
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"She was sent into a war zone with an inoperable weapon ...."
Baloney.
345 posted on 11/07/2003 4:07 PM CST by Godebert (Abortion is murder.)
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As one of the majority of Americans that do not get cable I can only go by what I read in the papers and on the Internet and see in local/national broadcast news.
A CNN article was on Free Republic bashing her for not meeting the Iraqi. The networks followed suit. Funny how they forgot to mention that she said she would meen him without the fanfare. I guess you missed it.
Not harsh word about Lynch.
This article is too. It's meant to turn the pro-military against her.
I highly doubt the interview by Sawyer will be unflattering to Lynch - but you can bet it will highlight the failings and deceptions of the Pentagon.
Have you not read this thread? It's got all the dull-minded mad at her.
Did Lynch ever say that the Army used her?
She didn't end it with that. The title has her out of context and therefore is a lie.
346 posted on 11/07/2003 4:09 PM CST by #3Fan
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She then returns home to find out that everyone and their grandmother were hyping and embellishing her story in an attempt to USE her for their own political or financial gain. This gal feels used and abused, and who the h-ll can blame her
Well, there is a bit of hyperbole in your statements ("everyone and their grandmother" is a little sweeping, eh?), but I understand your premise. However I think that of all of the parties involved the Army and the Pentagon has "used" her the least.
As I said, the Army never provided a "Rambo"-like account. When asked if that was a possibility that Pvt. Lynch resisted her captors (insinuating the "Rambo" angle), the Army briefer responded that all soldiers are taught to fight regardless of their assigned task. That the possibility that the soldier received injures during combat was likely, but they couldn't verify that's what happened because they didn't have all of the facts.
That isn't confirming or denying the overdramatized "Rambo" angle that the press was bringing to the story about the initial capture. Now, I suppose that you can say they let the reporters romantic notions about combat stand, but as has been pointed out several times on this thread, that isn't the Army's fault. In fact, B. Gen. Vicent Brooks was very forthright with the media in his briefings. If you read the transcripts of these events, you will see that the media was pushing the "hero" angle alot more than the Army.
she was used by the Pentagon to help further the war effort
Sorry, not buying. Frankly, that statement is absurd. Yes, the war effort would have been stopped dead in its tracks hadn't Pvt. Lynch been rescued. Pardon me if I dismiss that comment outright.
Again, was this good news? Yes. I would think that anytime a soldier has suffered and is returning home, we are allowed to consider that good news...even people in the Pentagon. To express joy and elation would (and should) be expected. You will notice, however, that during those briefings, while noticably pleased, the briefers will still all business.
Again, if the Pentagon did something wrong about being joyful and even saying so (which they really didn't) at the return of Pvt. Lynch, then I never want them to be right. No soldier ever wants to leave anyone behind and those soldiers --even the ones wearing stars on their shoulders-- were right to be joyous.
Your statements are right on about the feminazis, the media, and, to some degree, certain conservatives, but the Pentagon, in my opinion, is the least guilty of "using" Pvt. Lynch.
347 posted on 11/07/2003 4:11 PM CST by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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Jessica Lynch has angrily accused the Pentagon of using her for propaganda.
Hey Jesse, if you were used by anyone, it was by the feminazi hags that have been insisting that women should be on the battlefield.
348 posted on 11/07/2003 4:11 PM CST by Mr. Mojo
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C'mon, let's be at least intellectually honest. If this had been a dem president, this wouldn't have passed muster. There would have been no "so what's". Under the same set of circumstances, it would have been calculated lies, deceit and manipulation.
349 posted on 11/07/2003 4:12 PM CST by joesbucks
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"SOMETHING needs to be improved. Could the guns be carried inside clear plastic bags that still allow them to be operated?"
The guns work fine. Some soldiers place a rubber over the muzzle to keep out grit. That preserves the integrity of the barrel and throat if it's fired. It also works to prevent filling the barrel with sand if there's much of it stirring around.
350 posted on 11/07/2003 4:12 PM CST by spunkets
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I missed the CNN piece aired and here.
And once again - Kudos to Lynch for doing the right thing.
I guess you could say that the Media is out to get Lynch by turning the Pro Military against here - if that would bother her.
Or you could see it as an attempt to show another dissatisfied solider angry at the Pentagon - as has been the case for months now.
351 posted on 11/07/2003 4:20 PM CST by CyberCowboy777 (After taking several readings, I'm surprised to find my mind still fairly sound.)
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"She just said they used her for morale."
There's that word again...yours, not hers. You keep putting words in her mouth.
"Therefore they [the liberal press] put words into people's mouths or quote out of context..."
Sorry, but I think you have the same problem.
"Cash took out a full page ad flipping off those who were criticizing him."
We know, you've said it enough times on this thread..three time to me alone.
352 posted on 11/07/2003 4:45 PM CST by mass55th
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Hmmm... see, I probably would have made that the headline, but they went the anti-Army route. In fact, they didn't mention the rape until paragraph 11. But that's just me.
The rape story was on the front page of the Daily News the previous day.
353 posted on 11/07/2003 5:24 PM CST by NYCVirago
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It looks like she was saying there was no need tol FILM the rescue. But she was rescued nonetheless and shouldn't be complaining. She making a lot of money out of this.
If anybody's got a right to complain, it's the black woman POW who was shot. Not only is she getting less money from the military, she's doesn't have any book or movie deals. That woman suffered a lot more than Jessica Lynch, and she's pretty much forgotten.
354 posted on 11/07/2003 5:28 PM CST by NYCVirago
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Is the muzzle the only place that dust can go? Is the action part sealed? How about dust that gets in there when they're loaded?
355 posted on 11/07/2003 5:28 PM CST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. Go Godsquad!!!)
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It's Iraq, so there's sand storms. Maintaining the condition of the barrel and throat is the most important. If the gun is locked and loaded and the barrel has significant dirt in it, the gun will burst at the breech, because the bullet gets stuck and the pressure goes too high.
As far as the rest of the gun, it's assumed the owner didn't let the reciever and bolt area get completely buried and filled with dirt. Of course it's not going to work then. It's the equivalent of letting your lungs and belly fill up with dirt. Just as it's not all that difficult to avoid that condition in the owner. It's not all that difficult to prevent it happening to the gun.
A mag should be in place to limit dirt from getting into the bolt/reciever inside areas. Just as one can get sand in their pants though, a coating of sand and dust can get in the reciever. The gun can be hand cycled once, or no more than a few times to clear it and it's ready to go. The mechanism is robust enough that it won't end up in a jam, due to dirt, that's not simple to clear. Using it in such a condition for an extended time will wear it out quick, but it will still fire.
356 posted on 11/07/2003 5:54 PM CST by spunkets
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"Is the action part sealed?
The bolt's closed.
" How about dust that gets in there when they're loaded?
The muzzle's the only consideration, unless it's been stored loaded and left in a sandstorm.
357 posted on 11/07/2003 5:57 PM CST by spunkets
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As far as the rest of the gun, it's assumed the owner didn't let the reciever and bolt area get completely buried and filled with dirt.
If carried by someone of limited strength and endurance, perhaps could such sloppy handling take place?
358 posted on 11/07/2003 5:58 PM CST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. Go Godsquad!!!)
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" If carried by someone of limited strength and endurance, perhaps could such sloppy handling take place?"
No. The owner would have to have a mindset the Army would have recognized right away in boot camp as being unfit for duty. Kids could handle the gun out there and still be able to work it.
That being said, this was a combat situation. PFC Lynch may have forgotten to load the first round, or some such thing. The NRA was founded by Union officers after they walked the battlefield at Gettysburg and found such things as multiple loadings of powder and ball on top of each other. ...
359 posted on 11/07/2003 6:15 PM CST by spunkets
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No. The owner would have to have a mindset the Army would have recognized right away in boot camp as being unfit for duty. Kids could handle the gun out there and still be able to work it.
I'd hope that to be true, but for the Clintonized military's idea of affirmative action... and kids? how heavy is it? This isn't just a pistol.
That being said, this was a combat situation. PFC Lynch may have forgotten to load the first round, or some such thing. The NRA was founded by Union officers after they walked the battlefield at Gettysburg and found such things as multiple loadings of powder and ball on top of each other. ...
Roman candle???
360 posted on 11/07/2003 6:19 PM CST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. Go Godsquad!!!)
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" I'd hope that to be true, but for the Clintonized military's idea of affirmative action...
They really don't put up with problem cases and the incompitent. If you can't handle the simple things, you're out.
" and kids? how heavy is it? This isn't just a pistol."
I'll guess 6-7lbs. See may have had the carbine, the M4. My AR has a heavy barrel and 11-12 y/o girls shot it for most of a day, for days. It's ~8-9lbs.(CRS)
361 posted on 11/07/2003 6:39 PM CST by spunkets
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" Roman candle???"
Full drawers. Scared shitless.
362 posted on 11/07/2003 6:40 PM CST by spunkets
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Very well said.
Kind of amazing to me, the way some people turn on her when she won't parrot the party line. I guess "support the troops" only applies to those of the correct political affiliation.
363 posted on 11/07/2003 7:10 PM CST by alpowolf
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I don't know who suffered more but I do think all the POWs should've been welcomed back as equals and not with one being in the spotlight over all the others.
364 posted on 11/07/2003 8:13 PM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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"I will never UNDERSTAND the need of most Americans to appear on TV and answer inane questions about how they FEEL about one subject or the other."
Yeah-- if my 15 minutes of fame ever comes up, I'm going to take a 20 minute coffee break instead.
365 posted on 11/07/2003 8:17 PM CST by walden
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Bragg that wrote Jessica's book likes to "color" the story so I have heard. I think the rape was made up for it looks good on paper and sells books.
I lived in West Virginia for twenty two years - grew up there just a couple of miles from the Lynch family.
To bad the other soldiers didn't get a big book deal or much attention from the media. Not even the same amount of pension for the others.
366 posted on 11/07/2003 8:29 PM CST by mendedheart
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367 posted on 11/07/2003 8:43 PM CST by Lijahsbubbe
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Lynch says her M-16 jammed and she never got off a shot.
You should've kept your rifle clean, missy. It was Your responsibility as a "soldier" to keep it maintainted. Properly maintained, it's a wonderful weapon, little girl.
368 posted on 11/07/2003 8:51 PM CST by Chong (God Bless America and Her Brave Men and Women in Uniform. WE ARE WITH YOU!)
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At worst she is a babe in the woods in the media IMO
Oh, I don't know about that one. She will be interviewed on a radio station this coming week in my metro area, which means she will be on many radio interviews this coming week in addition to the Sawyer interview. She is in full swing for the media blitz to hype her book.
369 posted on 11/07/2003 9:04 PM CST by Lijahsbubbe
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Her rifle jammed up? Wonder if she ever cleaned it?
Heh, today when I heard on the car radio that Lynch said her rifle jammed and she never fired a shot, my first thought was, "Wonder if she knows about the forward assist."
370 posted on 11/07/2003 9:18 PM CST by Lancey Howard
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Maybe Senator Byrd has made her an offer to testify against President Bush.
371 posted on 11/07/2003 9:23 PM CST by dalebert
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I missed the CNN piece aired and here. And once again - Kudos to Lynch for doing the right thing. I guess you could say that the Media is out to get Lynch by turning the Pro Military against here - if that would bother her.
FR is a microcosm. If their misrepresentation worked here, and it did to the dull-minded, it worked everywhere.
Or you could see it as an attempt to show another dissatisfied solider angry at the Pentagon - as has been the case for months now.
The title is a lie. She was hurt but she didn't angrily lash out. How many times to we see titles that say Bush "lashed out" at this or that and we know they're exaggerating.
372 posted on 11/07/2003 11:07 PM CST by #3Fan
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There's that word again...yours, not hers. You keep putting words in her mouth.
It's self-evident.
Sorry, but I think you have the same problem.
Not when it's so obvious.
We know, you've said it enough times on this thread..three time to me alone.
Then why do you ask what I meant? That looks obvious too.
373 posted on 11/07/2003 11:09 PM CST by #3Fan
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If anybody's got a right to complain, it's the black woman POW who was shot. Not only is she getting less money from the military, she's doesn't have any book or movie deals. That woman suffered a lot more than Jessica Lynch, and she's pretty much forgotten
Actually she has been on TV more than Lynch and does have a book deal I think. Jessica was the lone rescuee for ten days, them's the breaks.
374 posted on 11/07/2003 11:11 PM CST by #3Fan
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That being said, this was a combat situation. PFC Lynch may have forgotten to load the first round, or some such thing. The NRA was founded by Union officers after they walked the battlefield at Gettysburg and found such things as multiple loadings of powder and ball on top of each other. ...
Of it could've jammed before firing which you refuse to mention.
375 posted on 11/07/2003 11:13 PM CST by #3Fan
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I don't know who suffered more but I do think all the POWs should've been welcomed back as equals and not with one being in the spotlight over all the others.
You must go through life angry all the time then because thereare people of every stripe that get the spotlight more than others.
376 posted on 11/07/2003 11:15 PM CST by #3Fan
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"Army used me" ... provocatively inane. What in the world ya think a G.I. is???
377 posted on 11/07/2003 11:16 PM CST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. Go Godsquad!!!)
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Bragg that wrote Jessica's book likes to "color" the story so I have heard. I think the rape was made up for it looks good on paper and sells books.
I hope you will apologize for calling her a liar when it's confirmed.
I lived in West Virginia for twenty two years - grew up there just a couple of miles from the Lynch family. To bad the other soldiers didn't get a big book deal or much attention from the media. Not even the same amount of pension for the others.
So you think that if O'Reilly or Rush gets a book deal, then everyone in the media should get the same book deal too? How socialist of you.
378 posted on 11/07/2003 11:17 PM CST by #3Fan
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Oh, I don't know about that one. She will be interviewed on a radio station this coming week in my metro area, which means she will be on many radio interviews this coming week in addition to the Sawyer interview. She is in full swing for the media blitz to hype her book.
You got something against it?
379 posted on 11/07/2003 11:19 PM CST by #3Fan
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Army used me" ... provocatively inane. What in the world ya think a G.I. is???
The title is a liberal lie quoting her out of context.
380 posted on 11/07/2003 11:20 PM CST by #3Fan
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"Of it could've jammed before firing which you refuse to mention."
Work on your memory. I told you that was impossible.
381 posted on 11/07/2003 11:20 PM CST by spunkets
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Work on your memory. I told you that was impossible.
You're wrong. Better men than you have said so.
382 posted on 11/07/2003 11:43 PM CST by #3Fan
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Actually she has been on TV more than Lynch and does have a book deal I think.
I don't think so.
383 posted on 11/07/2003 11:51 PM CST by NYCVirago
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It's for the money!
384 posted on 11/07/2003 11:52 PM CST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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We don't know what this "venting" is about. It may not be the filming that caused her apparent ire, but something else that has happened. Could be something the Army did or didn't do. Could be something her family provoked.
385 posted on 11/07/2003 11:58 PM CST by 185JHP ( PepsiOne for the men. Tab for the horses.)
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I don't think so.
Yep.
386 posted on 11/08/2003 12:02 AM CST by #3Fan
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Evidence, please? There's nothing on the web about this woman having a book deal. As for her getting more tv coverage than Jessica Lynch, most people don't even know the woman's name, while Jessica Lynch is famous.
387 posted on 11/08/2003 12:16 AM CST by NYCVirago
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What is it with you and calling everyone angry? It must be depressing to think everyone you converse with is constantly angry.
388 posted on 11/08/2003 12:16 AM CST by honeygrl (Surgeon General's Warning: This FReeper hasn't slept through the night in over a year.)
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I don't know who suffered more but I do think all the POWs should've been welcomed back as equals and not with one being in the spotlight over all the others.
Good point.
389 posted on 11/08/2003 12:17 AM CST by NYCVirago
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Evidence, please? There's nothing on the web about this woman having a book deal. As for her getting more tv coverage than Jessica Lynch, most people don't even know the woman's name, while Jessica Lynch is famous.
I think she has a book deal and I didn't say she had more coverage, I said that she's been on TV more.
390 posted on 11/08/2003 1:11 AM CST by #3Fan
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What is it with you and calling everyone angry? It must be depressing to think everyone you converse with is constantly angry.
People that nitpick and call names are angry people.
391 posted on 11/08/2003 1:11 AM CST by #3Fan
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I think she has a book deal and I didn't say she had more coverage, I said that she's been on TV more.
But you have no evidence on either, of course.
392 posted on 11/08/2003 1:32 AM CST by NYCVirago
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I think Corky may have a few facts wrong. Wasn't this fiance her physical therapist? Recently met? So Corky says she was laying in the bed in Iraq think of Rueben, her boyfriend? I never saw or heard of him when the family were all on television.
393 posted on 11/08/2003 1:46 AM CST by not-an-ostrich
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You believe them? You don't reckon they have anything to hide do you?
If Jessica says that she was raped, I believe her. She may not have a memory of it, but her body certainly does. I don't think you can be raped in that way (I won't be graphic), without your body being aware of it. She probably experienced pain, discomfort, etc.
Perhaps the Iraqi surgeon didn't see any signs. There was an hour between the attack and when she was brought to the first hospital; then she was taken to his hospital. An hour was more than enough time to make it look as if nothing had happened.
394 posted on 11/08/2003 2:19 AM CST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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But you have no evidence on either, of course.
There were efforts a few months ago for a book and movie, I don't know where that went. And you can't show that Lynch has been on TV more than Shoshana. I think Shoshana has because she's already done interviews while Lynch hasn't.
395 posted on 11/08/2003 3:32 AM CST by #3Fan
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Snot nosed brat. Get your 15 minutes and your money you selfish twit and go away.
396 posted on 11/08/2003 3:37 AM CST by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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Correct, she is confusing the press with the Pentagon. But what do you expect from young, indoctrinated morons from the public educational system?
397 posted on 11/08/2003 3:38 AM CST by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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I was in a car wreck where I thought I had a broken back. My back hurt so much that I couldn't sit up, stand up, or anything. I had a broken foot and didn't even know it until the next day because my back drowned out everything else. Turned out my back was just deeply bruised. If a bruised back hurt that much, I'd hate to know how much a back broken in several places would feel and can understand if she couldn't tell the difference between what she felt as back pain and what was torture.
398 posted on 11/08/2003 3:39 AM CST by #3Fan
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Snot nosed brat. Get your 15 minutes and your money you selfish twit and go away.
You've been fooled by the liberal media, the headline is a lie.
399 posted on 11/08/2003 3:40 AM CST by #3Fan
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This whole thing is so sad. Why can't people leave her alone. Everybody is using her. The Pentagon should stay away from the promotion business and the Press should stop being social workers. It was unwise for her to except the million dollar deals so soon. She wasn't given enough time to recuperate mentally from her ordeal. The public demanded an explanation before she was ready. She will be a emotional mess for rest of her life.
400 posted on 11/08/2003 8:13 AM CST by Milligan
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"It's self-evident."
Only to someone who assumes things.
"Not when it's so obvious."
Again, only to someone who interprets it that way. I don't agree with your interpretation or assumption of what PFC Lynch suggested in her comments. If she meant morale, she should have said morale...not 'They used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff." "All that stuff" doesn't necessarily mean "morale" to me.
"Then why do you ask what I meant? That looks obvious too."
I didn't ask what you meant! Where did I say that? Again you're putting words in my mouth. I asked what was it with YOU and Johnny Cash. I was being a smart-ass, questioning why you kept invoking his name in your replies. It was so OBVIOUS what I meant. I'm surprised a person of superior intelligence like you, who can read minds and interpret every written word, didn't know that was what I was insinuating.
401 posted on 11/08/2003 8:14 AM CST by mass55th
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What is it with you and calling everyone angry? It must be depressing to think everyone you converse with is constantly angry.
He does this on every thread about every subject. He twists people's words and puts words in their mouth. He lashes out at people and provokes them so he can be the center of attention. He has a serious psychiatric problem.
402 posted on 11/08/2003 8:21 AM CST by Lijahsbubbe
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You got something against it?
Go away, you annoying little fly (swat, swat).
403 posted on 11/08/2003 8:24 AM CST by Lijahsbubbe
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Leave her alone.
404 posted on 11/08/2003 8:28 AM CST by Consort
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He lashes out at people and provokes them so he can be the center of attention. He has a serious psychiatric problem.
Well, that is BS... He just gets mad to see one of our soldiers badmouthed on FR, a soldier who has acted only honorably.
I try to do the same thing but he has more endurance and a stronger stomach for the crap on these threads than I do. There are plenty of people who would offer support to Lynch and all of our troops, even the women. They just don't obsess on the threads the way the Jessica bashers do.
I try to stay away. But I can't when I see the vile crap posted here where support for our troops should be unwavering. (remember that she is on our side in a war?).
405 posted on 11/08/2003 8:37 AM CST by HairOfTheDog
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No, this is much more about an otherwise inexperienced 19-year-old getting used by a lot of people for their own purposes. Diane puts words into her mouth in the form of a question. She simply answers it and then is characterized as "angrily" accusing the Pentagon of something.
406 posted on 11/08/2003 8:42 AM CST by aruanan
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Well, well. Looks like Jessica Lynch has done exactly as the liberal, elite media has wanted
Jessica Lynch Condemns Pentagon
The editiorialized quote that the media wants is the third sentance
But the 20-year-old criticised the release of false information about her capture by Iraqi forces.
Emphasis Added.
So, while I do feel sorry for Pvt. Lynch and her circumstances, this interview with Diane Sawyer was, plain and simple, a political hit piece on the Pentagon.
407 posted on 11/08/2003 8:54 AM CST by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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NEW STUDY: Frequent Sex Can Reduce Risk Of Colds
InSourced ^ | Nov 14, 2003 | Carl J. Charnetski
Posted on 11/14/2003 7:12 AM CST by Pern
A new study by Carl J. Charnetski, professor of psychology, and Francis X. Brennan, Jr., assistant professor of psychology, at Wilkes University, suggests that the immune system is boosted by frequent sexual activity. Their research, "The Effect of Sexual Behavior on Immune System Function," is being presented at the Eastern Psychological Association Convention in April. "We found that individuals engaging in sexual activity once or twice a week have substantially higher levels of the antibody Immunoglobulin A (IgA) than individuals reporting no sexual activity or less than one occurrence a week," says Charnetski.
The bad news for people hoping to have discovered a new way to prevent the common cold is that the researchers found that individuals engaging in very frequent sexual activity - more than two times a week - had significantly lower levels of IgA than those individuals reporting sexual activity once or twice a week.
"We also found no direct relationship between IgA and either length of relationship or sexual satisfaction," says Brennan.
The researchers collected data on 111 undergraduate students - 44 male and 67 female - regarding the frequency of sexual encounters as defined by some form of genital contact with a partner. Information was gathered from the volunteers on length of relationship as well as satisfaction with one's sexual relationships.
Charnetski and Brennan then took a measure of immune system function from each individual. Saliva samples were obtained and bio-assayed for Immunoglobulin A (IgA). IgA is the most prevalent of the five major antibodies present in one's system. It is found in all mucosal linings of the body as well as the blood system.
IgA is an antibody produced by B lymphocytes and it forms a barrier against the entrance of disease, says Brennan Measuring IgA provides some information as to general immune system function. Secondly, IgA is found in all muscosa and provides a first line of defense against upper respiratory infection.
"This is one way of marking immunologic defense at any point in time and simply stated, more is better," says Charnetski.
Four classifications of sexual frequency were derived from the data: No Sexual Activity; Infrequent Sexual Activity (less than one occurrence per week); Frequent Sexual Activity (one to two occurrences per week); and Very Frequent Sexual Activity (three or more occurrences per week).
"We found concentrations of IgA to be approximately one-third higher in the Frequent group as compared to all other categories, including the Very Frequent group," says Charnetski.
The professors plan on attempting to identify specific mechanisms whereby sexual activity influences IgA in future studies. They are already in the process of analyzing data involving "Love" and IgA and how this may interact with their current research findings.
I am printing this evidence out to present to Mrs. Pern post haste.
Well, guys, another excuse to bug the old lady doesn't hurt, right? I'm my wife's worst nightmare, I work at sea for weeks at a time, therefore I am at home for weeks at a time!
1 posted on 11/14/2003 7:12 AM CST by Pern
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Well, college students messing around frequently are going to need that improved immune function. Russian roulette ...
2 posted on 11/14/2003 7:18 AM CST by Tax-chick (Who needs pictures when you can have words?)
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Gee, a whole 111 subjects. I'm impressed.
3 posted on 11/14/2003 7:23 AM CST by mewzilla
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"Real science" ping...
4 posted on 11/14/2003 7:28 AM CST by general_re (Power Vortices for all!)
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Then why is Bubba Clinton's nose so red? Maybe sex with interns and crack whores doesn't count.
5 posted on 11/14/2003 7:32 AM CST by Callahan
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Well, that's probably a side-effect of the sort of liquid cold-prevention remedy that Teddy Kennedy seems to favor, I would guess ;)
6 posted on 11/14/2003 7:35 AM CST by general_re (Power Vortices for all!)
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print and put on the fridge material
7 posted on 11/14/2003 7:40 AM CST by Rightly Biased ( <><)
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So that's why I've been so sick lately.
Not to mention loaded with OLD CROW.
This has been retyped 5 times.
8 posted on 11/14/2003 7:42 AM CST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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I feel an overwhelming urge to empirically verify this conclusion......
;-)
9 posted on 11/14/2003 7:44 AM CST by longshadow
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I've already emailed this to my wife - she's just getting over a cold, so I'm sure she'll appreciate practical advice about how to avoid this in the future ;)
10 posted on 11/14/2003 7:52 AM CST by general_re (Power Vortices for all!)
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ACHOOO!
11 posted on 11/14/2003 7:53 AM CST by CrazyIvan
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Men are going to be polishing up pickup lines for girls that sneeze.
12 posted on 11/14/2003 8:13 AM CST by Semper Paratus
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dont starve a cold
feed an STD
13 posted on 11/14/2003 8:40 AM CST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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Your personal ping.
14 posted on 11/14/2003 8:49 AM CST by PatrickHenry (Everything good that I have done, I have done at the command of my voices.)
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VITAL PING. [This ping list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. FReepmail me to be added or dropped.]
15 posted on 11/14/2003 8:50 AM CST by PatrickHenry (Everything good that I have done, I have done at the command of my voices.)
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ping
16 posted on 11/14/2003 8:59 AM CST by Physicist
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Thanks for the heads up!
17 posted on 11/14/2003 9:11 AM CST by Alamo-Girl
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very frequent sexual activity - more than two times a week
This is Annie Hall's definition of very frequent.
18 posted on 11/14/2003 9:17 AM CST by Nebullis
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Would you consider to re-phrasing that?
19 posted on 11/14/2003 9:18 AM CST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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Riiiigggghhhtttt ..... they'll say anything .......
20 posted on 11/14/2003 9:18 AM CST by Rainmist
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Gee, a whole 111 subjects. I'm impressed.
I'm going to follow this advice. Better safe than sorry....
21 posted on 11/14/2003 9:21 AM CST by Modernman (What Would Jimmy Buffet Do?)
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LOLOLOLOL! Sorry about that. The corrected phrasing is "Thanks for your post, PatrickHenry."
22 posted on 11/14/2003 9:23 AM CST by Alamo-Girl
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Eyes on ^ | 271830(C)NOV03 | ChiefKujo
Posted on 11/27/2003 9:37 AM CST by ChiefKujo
Proud member of the class of '98 reporting for duty!
1,001 posted on 11/27/2003 3:07 PM CST by Petronski (I'm *NOT* always *CRANKY.*™)
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:-D
We love it! DU hates it!
I love it!
1,002 posted on 11/27/2003 3:08 PM CST by petuniasevan ("He's dead, Jim."..." Damn it, Bones! He owed me money!")
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Going to Tami's Grandmother's for Thanksgiving Dinner. See y'all later.
Jim
1,003 posted on 11/27/2003 3:08 PM CST by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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1,004 posted on 11/27/2003 3:08 PM CST by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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Jim is great. I try not to look at his poor hair, though.
1,005 posted on 11/27/2003 3:10 PM CST by stands2reason ("Don't funk with my funk."--Bootsy Collins)
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1,006 posted on 11/27/2003 3:10 PM CST by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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From the obvious lack of education to the sophomoric tone of your posts, I'd have to agree with the second half of your screen name.
1,007 posted on 11/27/2003 3:11 PM CST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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Happy Thanksgiving!
FR beat the networks again on a major news story....you got a great site here.....thank you.
1,008 posted on 11/27/2003 3:12 PM CST by Dog
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Happy Thanksgiving, Jim and John, God Bless you!
1,009 posted on 11/27/2003 3:15 PM CST by Inspectorette
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I wonder how many are left from that Class?
Present.
1,010 posted on 11/27/2003 3:15 PM CST by jackbill
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Here's some more gravy. I expect more than physical courage out of the man on the border invasion problem. Photo ops like this are morale-building but getting it done defending the home front takes precedence.
Thank you, Service people, for being there.
1,011 posted on 11/27/2003 3:15 PM CST by NewRomeTacitus (Happy Thanksgiving!)
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Chief, Miss Marple and I will be serving crow to those who tried to insult you.
Some will get crow tartar and some will get week old road kill crow.
It is amazing how negative a certain group is to any news.
Again we had the news first on Free Republic.
Kudos Kujo!
1,012 posted on 11/27/2003 3:16 PM CST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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Class of '98........lurker during '97 and Prodigy before that.
What a DAY!! Thank God for our President and our troops.
1,013 posted on 11/27/2003 3:20 PM CST by Carolinamom
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Celebrity Death Match bump.
;^)
1,014 posted on 11/27/2003 3:21 PM CST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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It's not so much the DUers I'd be worried about. I'd be far more concerned about the Asan Akbar (sp?) types.
In any case, I agree that it's a good thing the Prez was traveling with protection, even if they could have done a better job of blending in...
1,015 posted on 11/27/2003 3:21 PM CST by Ex-Dem (not just another brick in the wall)
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Yup, which is why I quickly turned back to Fox. They are all excited and beaming about it there...
Fox was definitely the best, but CNN couldn't help but report the greatness of this event either, and ABC also broke into the network for a special report. Speaking in purely PR terms, this was a grand slam home run for Team Bush.
1,016 posted on 11/27/2003 3:22 PM CST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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Thanks Dave..,.I just went back and looked at the first posts....it seems some people here have egg on their face.
1,017 posted on 11/27/2003 3:22 PM CST by Dog
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lol
1,018 posted on 11/27/2003 3:23 PM CST by mrobison (We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
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When I read that I thought the same thing. I don't know how many times I have told my kids at the start that we are turning around and going home if they start to act up :')
1,019 posted on 11/27/2003 3:23 PM CST by CindyDawg
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Happy Thanksgiving America!! You have one fine President and I hope he gets himself a second term. The world needs him.
BTW, is this shaping up to be one of the longest threads?
1,020 posted on 11/27/2003 3:23 PM CST by moni kerr (Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way)
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Hill has to rewrite that poison speech of hers, badmouthing the president on Iraq and for not making any sacrifices like the troops who're putting their lives on the line.
Just one more thing to be thankful for.
1,021 posted on 11/27/2003 3:24 PM CST by swheats
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Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!
Happy Turkey Day JimRob!
1,022 posted on 11/27/2003 3:25 PM CST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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Thank Moni! Glad too see we have some FRiends up there!
1,023 posted on 11/27/2003 3:26 PM CST by mylife
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US President George W. Bush speaks to US troops at Baghdad Airport during a surprise Thanksgiving Day visit. Bush made the Thanksgiving visit to troops in Baghdad under the greatest secrecy and security.
Thank you TexKat
1,024 posted on 11/27/2003 3:26 PM CST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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>>... wonder how many are left from that Class? ...<<
Present!
1,025 posted on 11/27/2003 3:26 PM CST by tscislaw (Never Forget: www.september-11-videos.com)
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Boy, don't you know the guys/gals in Afghanistan are pissed. Thier comrades in Iraq got a visit by Bush. All they got was the Hildebeast!
1,026 posted on 11/27/2003 3:29 PM CST by tscislaw (Never Forget: www.september-11-videos.com)
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On the table was a free-range DNC turkey, Clinton cornbread dressing, Geraldo sweet potatoes, Mc Cauliffe mashed potatoes, asparagus and a salad of Texas grapefruit, toasted walnuts and greens all marinated in a Dashle-Kennedy sauce.
1,027 posted on 11/27/2003 3:30 PM CST by Helms (The Di-tech Guy and E-loan Girl are to Wed in Hell)
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wonder how many are left from that Class?
You guys were freepin when I was in cyberkneepants! LOL!
1,028 posted on 11/27/2003 3:30 PM CST by mylife
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FANTASTIC!!! Thank you Chief!
This is a real morale-booster for the troops! To know the CIC is willing to put his own hide into the combat zone. The cover story of being in Texas was perfect. I hope he is already out of the theater though. No need for Saddam/Osama to have another crack at the Bushes.
1,029 posted on 11/27/2003 3:31 PM CST by Paul Ross (Don't get mad. Get madder!)
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"Hey, you! Yeah you, in the smelly black pantsuit and the thick ankles: quit trying to get to the head of the line. This is for people with integrity."
1,030 posted on 11/27/2003 3:32 PM CST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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>>...You guys were freepin when I was in cyberkneepants! LOL!...<<
"I was Freepin when Freepin wasn't cool!"
Why child, back in MY day, we had to walk 5 miles in the snow barefoot just to Freep. You young whippersnappers have it too easy these days. :-)
1,031 posted on 11/27/2003 3:33 PM CST by tscislaw (Never Forget: www.september-11-videos.com)
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CNN and MSNBC are replaying the tape again!
1,032 posted on 11/27/2003 3:33 PM CST by Dog
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LOL!
1,033 posted on 11/27/2003 3:34 PM CST by mylife
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Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
1,034 posted on 11/27/2003 3:35 PM CST by swheats
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You've taken me aback with that thought!
I think we've held up pretty well.
The class of '98 was more generalist than '97, but more focussed on governance and media than the following classes.
Time does goes on for everyone. I don't reply much except on a couple of my hot-button topics, but I still read FR pretty much twice every day.
1,035 posted on 11/27/2003 3:35 PM CST by mrsmith
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1,036 posted on 11/27/2003 3:35 PM CST by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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You're being sarcastic right???
1,037 posted on 11/27/2003 3:37 PM CST by Axenolith (<TAG>)
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Well, I hope our troops in Afghanistan and everywhere else around the world and here at home realize that while they may not have gotten a visit from Bush, he appreciates each and every one of them and his message was for all of them.
"Today, Americans are gathering with their loved ones to give thanks for the many blessings in our lives. And this year we are especially thankful for the courage and the sacrifice of those who defend us, the men and women of the United States military.
I bring a message on behalf of America: We thank you for your service, we're proud of you, and America stands solidly behind you. Together, you and I have taken an oath to defend our country. You're honoring that oath. The United States military is doing a fantastic job."
Bush Iraq text (Full transcript of Bush's Thanksgiving Speech to the troops in Iraq)
1,038 posted on 11/27/2003 3:37 PM CST by FairOpinion
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LOL...I was thinking the same thing...also notice in both video clips of the troops reaction first to Hitlery and then to our wonderful CinC.
1,039 posted on 11/27/2003 3:37 PM CST by mystery-ak (GodSpeed, Mike.)
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Actually that is Crow tartar and week old road kill Crow that is on the face of a few of the nay sayers.
1,040 posted on 11/27/2003 3:38 PM CST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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Happy Thanksgiving to the troops and to fellow Freepers. FR rocks!
1,041 posted on 11/27/2003 3:39 PM CST by Gal.5:1 (O give thanks to the LORD, call upon His name 1Ch16:8)
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FR is cutting edge on breaking news stories....
1,042 posted on 11/27/2003 3:40 PM CST by Dog
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"Yeah, Bill is rumoured to have entered Paris Hilton!"
With a cigar?
1,043 posted on 11/27/2003 3:40 PM CST by mass55th
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That brings up a contrast between W and Bubba/Hillary: W was talking, laughing, joking, shaking hands with EVERYONE. Bubbillary would only choose people on the basis of sex/race/ethnicity. Then, Bubba would shed the obligatory tear, bite his lip, and talk about how he worked harder than he has ever worked in his life, to make it there to see them. Hillary would use the opportunity to spread doom and gloom, call for a more socialist America, and make it non-stop "vote for me."
1,044 posted on 11/27/2003 3:41 PM CST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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Five years on FR and people still instinctively read my name as "mrs smith" LOL!
Oh well, let's not hijack Chief K's glorious 'big thread'- and Happy Thanksgiving to you and all.
1,045 posted on 11/27/2003 3:43 PM CST by mrsmith
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1,046 posted on 11/27/2003 3:43 PM CST by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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Run, do not walk, RUN to the front page of Free Republic! Check it OUT!
WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!
1,047 posted on 11/27/2003 3:43 PM CST by Brad's Gramma (I'm goin' to LoganLand!)
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This was on another thread......gives you chills.
Finally, a visibly nervous U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer III strode to the podium with Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the U.S. military commander in Iraq. The two dispensed a few quick words. Bremer then turned to Sanchez and said he had a Thanksgiving message from U.S. President George W. Bush. Bremer said the most "senior" U.S. official among them should be the one to read it.
Turning toward the stage backdrop, Bremer asked: "Is there anyone back there who's more senior than us?" Bremer's hands, cradling the president's speech, quavered.
At that moment, Bush strode forth from the wings in an Army track suit emblazoned with a 1st Armored Division patch. The bored crowd shot immediately from their seats and whooped. As he surveyed the crowd, a tear dripped to the president's cheek.
"I was just looking for a warm meal somewhere," Bush said, to another whoop. "Thanks for inviting me to dinner."
1,048 posted on 11/27/2003 3:45 PM CST by Dog
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If I recall correctly, the first thread up after the first plane hit the first tower, it was post three that said Osama Bin Laden.
1,049 posted on 11/27/2003 3:46 PM CST by William McKinley
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Oh Laz, I must say it.
You are soooo bad.
1,050 posted on 11/27/2003 3:46 PM CST by GretchenEE (Happy Thanksgiving anyway!)
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Thanks.
Do you have picture of Bubba with the troops where they were disarmed first and force to set by him. It is a good thing the secret service didn't act on the looks on the faces of those poor service men.
1,051 posted on 11/27/2003 3:46 PM CST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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Im glad Im not a liberal or a Clintonista, this is one of the best Thanksgiving gifts we have ever received. It must be killing them over on DU..
1,052 posted on 11/27/2003 3:48 PM CST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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Catspaw was the freeper who knew it was old Binny.
1,053 posted on 11/27/2003 3:49 PM CST by Dog
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Wasn't that great? Who could have possibly guessed?
1,054 posted on 11/27/2003 3:49 PM CST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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I'll never forget this as long as I live..
1,055 posted on 11/27/2003 3:49 PM CST by mystery-ak (GodSpeed, Mike.)
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I would have loved to have been in the room when Babs, Michael, Alec, Janeane, etc. saw this!
1,056 posted on 11/27/2003 3:50 PM CST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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Catspaw nailed it in post 8....I just double checked.
1,057 posted on 11/27/2003 3:51 PM CST by Dog
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Who could have possibly guessed?
Chief Kujo....:-)
1,058 posted on 11/27/2003 3:52 PM CST by Dog
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Geez, all this time, and I thought that your pen name was:
mrs mith.
1,059 posted on 11/27/2003 3:52 PM CST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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"When I raise my hand to take that oathe . . . "
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1,060 posted on 11/27/2003 3:52 PM CST by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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Still amazingly fast.
Obviously you have the link handy- can you share it?
1,061 posted on 11/27/2003 3:53 PM CST by William McKinley
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Meanwhile, in other news, Democratic Presidential hopeful Howard Dean (D-VT) responded to President Bush's remarkable visit to Baghdad: "Well, I would have gone; but there was no place to ski..."
Be Seeing You,
Chris
1,062 posted on 11/27/2003 3:53 PM CST by section9 (Major Kusanagi says, "Click on my pic and read my blog, or eat lead!")
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Bush's trip — on the large plane he most frequently uses
The "Spirit of St. Louis?"
1,063 posted on 11/27/2003 3:53 PM CST by ArneFufkin
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My FR homepage.....in my links ...and bookmark them if you like.
1,064 posted on 11/27/2003 3:54 PM CST by Dog
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I can not say it enough.....FR rocks!
We scooped the big boys again.
We seem to have eyes everywhere..
1,065 posted on 11/27/2003 3:56 PM CST by Dog
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LOL! Talk to The Hand, media creeps!
1,066 posted on 11/27/2003 3:57 PM CST by timpad ("We are thankful that Liberty has found such brave defenders" - W)
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Hi Jim,
Happy Thanksgiving.
Don't you just love our President and FR.
1,067 posted on 11/27/2003 3:59 PM CST by mware
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If I recall correctly, the first thread up after the first plane hit the first tower, it was post three that said Osama Bin Laden.
For the record, the soonest I remember any "mainstream" news organization mentioning Bin Laden was after the SECOND plane hit; I believe it was Fox that said it first. Almost none were even willing to speculate about the possibility of terrorism at all before the second plane, and a number of news outlets didn't even mention OBL for five to ten minutes after the second plane, even though by then they were at least willing to entertain the possibility that maybe, just maybe, it wasn't a freak double accident. *rolling eyes*
1,068 posted on 11/27/2003 4:01 PM CST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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Home from Thanksgiving at my brother's. I have been enjoying reading this thread. I haven't seen the entire speech yet, just clips on Fox.
My sister and bother who are democrats had NOTHING to say. HA! I am so proud of this guy I could bust! My husband said that he does things that sound like what people wish for in a perfect president.
Thanks to all who have given running commentary on the coverage! Football was on at my brother's home, and since he is a Packer's fan, one could not change the channel to news. (He didn't want to watch the news , anyway.) HAR!
1,069 posted on 11/27/2003 4:01 PM CST by Miss Marple
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Fox replayed the tape when he walks out from behind the screen......OMG!
1,070 posted on 11/27/2003 4:01 PM CST by Dog
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Hey Chief,
So glad to make your acquaintance, I hope to hear from you again.
Tell all your friends to have a Great Day of Thanksgiving and a very Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to you all.
We are humbled and very grateful for all of you on this Thanksgiving day, and want to sent you a great big "Thank You for Serving Your Country"
We are also very proud of our President, he truly loves you folks.
Special thanks coming to you from Androscoggin County in the State of Maine, USA.
God be with you and stay safe.
1,071 posted on 11/27/2003 4:01 PM CST by ROCKLOBSTER (The Constitution is a Right Wing Document)
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"Catspaw nailed it in post 8....I just double checked."
We were on the Oregon Coast on 9/11 without Fox news and FR.
When I saw the second plane crash into the second tower, I woke my wife up and told her that terrorists had attacked NYC.
Then we heard about the Pentagon and the plane crashing Penn.. I said that confirmed my suspicions.
My wife just gave that look I get when she wants to say "Sure Jack!".
We basically were in a news blackout on the Oregon and California coast. When we finally got home late on the 12th. After we unloaded the car, she told me go fire up the computer and get FR on to find out what really happened.
When I read Catspaw reply, I yelled at her and said, "I told you so, and Free Republic has identified the group. They are al Qaeda under Ben Laden."
I got another one of those looks until it was confirmed later.
This and the news today is just another reason to be a monthly donor to Free Republic. We get the real news and the real analysis of the news here first.
1,072 posted on 11/27/2003 4:02 PM CST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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Happy Thanksgiving Martha.
FR Rocks!
1,073 posted on 11/27/2003 4:02 PM CST by Dog
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In observance of the Muslim season of Ramadone - I'm doing slow cooked, steamed, smoked, PORK Crown Roasts...I considered a Honey Baked ham too, but I thought that would be too delectable for the taste buds. So I made sure there was plenty of ALCHOLIC beverages. Oh! My family and friends will join me in thanking our Supreme Being for the fact that we have paved roads,abundantly stocked groceries with tasteful, nutritious, carefully handled food. We have 99.9% dependable electricity, We have 99.9% health safe water at our tap. We have excessively efficient telecommunication. We are protected by the 2nd, 4th and 10th Amendments, this gives us confidence and proves that we are a free people. "You're either with us or against us..." neglect to "get it" at your peril...just BE with us you idiots.
1,074 posted on 11/27/2003 4:02 PM CST by Positive
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I just saw that tape of him coming out to give the speech. I got goosebumps. His whole speech is going to be played in a few minutes on FOX NEWS
1,075 posted on 11/27/2003 4:03 PM CST by mware
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Thank you for your service. May God be your constant companion.
1,076 posted on 11/27/2003 4:03 PM CST by EverOnward
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Im glad Im not a liberal or a Clintonista, this is one of the best Thanksgiving gifts we have ever received. It must be killing them over on DU..
The anger level over there is as least as bad as it was on Election Night 2002.
1,077 posted on 11/27/2003 4:04 PM CST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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...they are going to replay the whole thing in a few minutes...I've seen it a half dozen times, Im gonna watch it again....the only thing that would make this day any better would be if Mike was home.
1,078 posted on 11/27/2003 4:04 PM CST by mystery-ak (GodSpeed, Mike.)
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Hold on there Saddam! Talk to the hand!
1,079 posted on 11/27/2003 4:05 PM CST by mylife
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Happy Thanksgiving, Kat!
A very good day for
the troops and Iraq.
Bad day for Hillary and Saddam. (^;
1,080 posted on 11/27/2003 4:05 PM CST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("If you remember the dignity of the Giver, no gift will seem small or mean" ~ Thomas a Kempis)
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Long time ago, but I still remember how it all went down for me.
A friend called, told me to turn on the TV, that a plane had hit the towers.
I was at work, sans TV (we have one there but it was in a closet at the time) so I turned on the radio while coming to FR.
The radio reports and everything I could find on the web other than at FR were saying it was a small plane, perhaps a Cessna.
I still remember that sick, awful feeling when I reloaded that thread and someone had posted a comment saying "did I just see the other tower get hit?" or something like that.
I still remember more of that day, than any other day of my life. Today included.
1,081 posted on 11/27/2003 4:06 PM CST by William McKinley
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ChiefKujo,
let me join the freerepublic masses in congratulating you on starting a "hall of freeper fame"
thread...provided previous posts by you couldn't have caused a security risk.
I heard the announcement of this by radio show host Dennis Prager this
morning, probably about 9:30 AM Pacific Time (Los Angeles). I immediately got chills
(of excitement at the on-site spectacle).
Assuming (and accepting) you are where you say you are, thanks for everything you're doing.
I've sent four care-packages (shopped, packed, shipped myself) to two recipients
in your theater...a bit of work, a bit of money...all worth it.
Oh, I guess wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving is sort of a useless exercise at this point!
1,082 posted on 11/27/2003 4:07 PM CST by VOA
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LOL...of course he doesn't want to watch the news...keep the carving knife away from him!
1,083 posted on 11/27/2003 4:07 PM CST by mystery-ak (GodSpeed, Mike.)
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We basically were in a news blackout on the Oregon and California coast. When we finally got home late on the 12th.
You had no news access for a day and a half after 9/11? Where the heck WERE you? Not even a radio?
1,084 posted on 11/27/2003 4:07 PM CST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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Freepmail when you get a chance.
1,085 posted on 11/27/2003 4:08 PM CST by Dog
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yes, whats up with that statement...was it the 747 or the DC9? I have seen the little one in the press more.
Also, anyone know what callsign they used? Must not have been "Air Force One" as people do listen to that stuff 24/7
1,086 posted on 11/27/2003 4:08 PM CST by BurbankKarl
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"It must be killing them over on DU.."
As I check them, they are absolutely besides themselves in fear and hate now.
It's incredible. They are such vile, bitter little creatures. They don't care one bit about anything other than their petty hatred.
Even if Clinton did this, I'd not bash him. I don't like clinton whatsoever, but I'd appreciate the move.
Basically, those guys over there are shellshocked about this visit today.
1,087 posted on 11/27/2003 4:08 PM CST by Monty22
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1,088 posted on 11/27/2003 4:10 PM CST by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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Please post a detailed first hand account as soon as you are able. Have a safe Thanksgiving.
1,090 posted on 11/27/2003 4:11 PM CST by Bubba_Leroy
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>>Also, anyone know what callsign they used? Must not have been "Air Force One" as people do listen to that stuff 24/7
News reports thus far indicate they did not use any of the usual designations like "Air Force One", etc. for this trip due to operational security.
1,091 posted on 11/27/2003 4:11 PM CST by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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You can understand the need to keep the exact location unpublished.
"In time of war, Truth is so precious, She must be protected by
A Bodyguard of Lies."
--Winston Churchill (VOA's imperfect paraphrase here)
ChiefKujo,
I'm only posting this to remind the forum about the need for caution...not to chastize
anybody.
Besides, anytime is a good time for Churchill's pithy quotes...
1,092 posted on 11/27/2003 4:12 PM CST by VOA
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Why you still dumping on him........he risked his career to bring us the news ......and people on this site want to give the guy grief.
Time to let it go..
1,093 posted on 11/27/2003 4:13 PM CST by Dog
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As I check them, they [DU] are absolutely besides themselves in fear and hate now.
Well, nothing is more certain to render them totally ineffective as some fear and hate. That'll work every time!
Wow. This thread just keeps on going! ;-)
1,094 posted on 11/27/2003 4:14 PM CST by Scenic Sounds (Pero treinta miles al resto.)
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Another one......who is looking for the black cloud .
1,095 posted on 11/27/2003 4:15 PM CST by Dog
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Im at work. When I left to come here, CNN was talking about Hillary. When I got here one of the lefties I spar with here, came up to me and said, "Looks like your boy pulled another carrier landing! A campaign stop at the expense of our troops!" I didnt know what he was talking about until I logged on. So when I countered with, "What do you think Hillary is doing in Afghanistan?"
-crickets-
1,096 posted on 11/27/2003 4:15 PM CST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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The comments on DU are astounding. Several have complained that their Thanksgiving has been ruined....
Send 'em a whaaaaaaaambulance! LOL!
1,097 posted on 11/27/2003 4:15 PM CST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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As I check them, they are absolutely besides themselves in fear and hate now.
1,098 posted on 11/27/2003 4:16 PM CST by nicmarlo
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VOA,
I'm only posting this to remind some naysayers on the forum about the need for caution...not to chastize anybody.
Dog
1,099 posted on 11/27/2003 4:17 PM CST by Dog
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LOL! It's amazing how they have made that woman, and her demon husband, their deities. I honestly believe that, if they caught Bubba raping their daughters, they would just shrug it off. Then, they would blame W.
1,100 posted on 11/27/2003 4:17 PM CST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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The comments on DU are astounding. Several have complained that their Thanksgiving has been ruined....
It's an early Christmas gift!
1,101 posted on 11/27/2003 4:18 PM CST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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This should make their day: President Bush Serves Thanksgiving Dinner To The Troops. Hillary Will Be Served Leftovers. She must be seething. BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
God Bless Our Troops. And God Bless America.
1,102 posted on 11/27/2003 4:19 PM CST by small voice in the wilderness
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1,103 posted on 11/27/2003 4:20 PM CST by nicmarlo
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For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
November 27, 2003
Remarks by the President to the Troops
November 27, 2003
REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
TO THE TROOPS
Baghdad, Iraq
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. I was just looking for a warm meal somewhere. (Laughter and applause.) Thank you for inviting me to dinner. (Applause.) General Sanchez, thank you, sir, for your kind invitation and your strong leadership. Ambassador Bremer, thank you for your steadfast belief in freedom and peace. I want to thank the members of the Governing Council who are here, pleased you are joining us on our nation's great holiday, it's a chance to give thanks to the Almighty for the many blessings we receive.
I'm particularly proud to be with the 1st Armored Division, the 2nd ACR, the 82nd Airborne. (Applause.) I can't think of a finer group of folks to have Thanksgiving dinner with than you all. We're proud of you. Today, Americans are gathering with their loved ones to give thanks for the many blessings in our lives. And this year we are especially thankful for the courage and the sacrifice of those who defend us, the men and women of the United States military. (Applause.)
I bring a message on behalf of America: we thank you for your service, we're proud of you, and America stands solidly behind you. (Applause.) Together, you and I have taken an oath to defend our country. You're honoring that oath. The United States military is doing a fantastic job. (Applause.) You are defeating the terrorists here in Iraq, so that we don't have to face them in our own country. You're defeating Saddam's henchmen, so that the people of Iraq can live in peace and freedom.
By helping the Iraqi people become free, you're helping change a troubled and violent part of the world. By helping to build a peaceful and democratic country in the heart of the Middle East, you are defending the American people from danger and we are grateful. (Applause.)
You're engaged in a difficult mission. Those who attack our coalition forces and kill innocent Iraqis are testing our will. They hope we will run. We did not charge hundreds of miles into the heart of Iraq, pay a bitter cost in casualties, defeat a brutal dictator and liberate 25 million people only to retreat before a band of thugs and assassins. (Applause.)
We will prevail. We will win because our cause is just. We will win because we will stay on the offensive. And we will win because you're part of the finest military ever assembled. (Applause.) And we will prevail because the Iraqis want their freedom. (Applause.)
Every day you see firsthand the commitment to sacrifice that the Iraqi people are making to secure their own freedom. I have a message for the Iraqi people: you have an opportunity to seize the moment and rebuild your great country, based on human dignity and freedom. The regime of Saddam Hussein is gone forever. (Applause.)
The United States and our coalition will help you, help you build a peaceful country so that your children can have a bright future. We'll help you find and bring to justice the people who terrorized you for years and are still killing innocent Iraqis. We will stay until the job is done. (Applause.) I'm confident we will succeed, because you, the Iraqi people, will show the world that you're not only courageous, but that you can govern yourself wisely and justly.
On this Thanksgiving, our nation remembers the men and women of our military, your friends and comrades who paid the ultimate price for our security and freedom. We ask for God's blessings on their families, their loved ones and their friends, and we pray for your safety and your strength, as you continue to defend America and to spread freedom.
Each one of you has answered a great call, participating in an historic moment in world history. You live by a code of honor, of service to your nation, with the safety and the security of your fellow citizens. Our military is full of the finest people on the face of the earth. I'm proud to be your Commander-in-Chief. I bring greetings from America. May God bless you all. (Applause.)
END
1,104 posted on 11/27/2003 4:20 PM CST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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Do they have ashtrays in Afghanistan....:-)
1,105 posted on 11/27/2003 4:20 PM CST by Dog
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he risked his career to bring us the news
Yes, he risked his career and much, much more.
1,106 posted on 11/27/2003 4:20 PM CST by Jeff Gordon (Why can't we all just get along and do things my way?)
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When I got down to the sidewalk on Battery Place about 9:15 and saw two plane-shaped burning holes in the two towers, it was obvious to me at that instant that it was a deliberate act. An accident simply wasn't possible. And since Arab terrorists had hit the WTC once before, I had a pretty good guess who did it.
1,107 posted on 11/27/2003 4:21 PM CST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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HEADUP Fox News will have the entire speech on at 5:30 EST
1,108 posted on 11/27/2003 4:22 PM CST by mware
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It's his business....
1,109 posted on 11/27/2003 4:22 PM CST by Dog
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bttt
1,110 posted on 11/27/2003 4:22 PM CST by nicmarlo
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I hear two reporters were given the heads-up on this. Anyone know who and what channel got the scoop.
1,111 posted on 11/27/2003 4:24 PM CST by mware
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" only to retreat before a band of thugs .."
I like how GW describes the Democrats and the mainstream media !!
1,112 posted on 11/27/2003 4:24 PM CST by Wild Irish Rogue
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I heard nothing!....wonder if it was Fox reporters, though?
1,113 posted on 11/27/2003 4:25 PM CST by nicmarlo
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Wow!!!!!
Remarks by the President to the Troops
November 27, 2003
REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
TO THE TROOPS
Baghdad, Iraq
1,114 posted on 11/27/2003 4:25 PM CST by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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>>I hear two reporters were given the heads-up on this. Anyone know who and what channel got the scoop.
The "Pool" tv producer was a FoxNews guy
1,115 posted on 11/27/2003 4:25 PM CST by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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Pres Bush visits troops in Baghdad- In and out quickly!
Ironic but had Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy. Patrick Leahey, , Waxman and Tom Daschle visited the troops they would have been able to walk openly around Tikrit for days and days with out any security!
The Baathists and Saddamites know who there allies are.
1,116 posted on 11/27/2003 4:25 PM CST by Kay Soze (Liberal Homosexuals kill more people than Global Warming, SUVs’, Firearms & Terrorism combined.)
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there = their
1,117 posted on 11/27/2003 4:26 PM CST by Kay Soze (Liberal Homosexuals kill more people than Global Warming, SUVs’, Firearms & Terrorism combined.)
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It's his business....
Not any more, my friend. Not any more.
1,118 posted on 11/27/2003 4:28 PM CST by Jeff Gordon (Why can't we all just get along and do things my way?)
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I was in the middle of cooking myself. Our family was struck with pride and joy when we saw FOX news reporting on the story. God bless GWB!! God bless our troops!
1,119 posted on 11/27/2003 4:29 PM CST by Clara Lou
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I hear that Tommy Daschle was deeply saddened.
1,120 posted on 11/27/2003 4:29 PM CST by mware
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I hear two reporters were given the heads-up on this. Anyone know who and what channel got the scoop.
I heard one was Jim Angle of Fox News, but I haven't looked around to try to confirm that.
1,121 posted on 11/27/2003 4:31 PM CST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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Just found this from another thread.
Card invited two reporters on the trip Tuesday night on the condition that they keep it secret. Other reporters and photographers were brought into the secret on Wednesday, some of them searched out by White House aides in Texas just hours before the president's departure. In all, the press contingent included five reporters, a television producer and two-member camera crew, and five still photographers
1,122 posted on 11/27/2003 4:32 PM CST by mware
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Excellent example of (their) profound stupidity.
1,123 posted on 11/27/2003 4:32 PM CST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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One was a Fox producer...I saw him being interviewed earlier.
1,124 posted on 11/27/2003 4:32 PM CST by Dog
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Plus, they have a thread going over there about how sad and lonely many of them are because they are spending Thanksgiving alone.
I'm not kidding. Check it out.
1,125 posted on 11/27/2003 4:32 PM CST by mrobison (We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
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...Do you have picture of Bubba with the troops where they were disarmed first and force to set by him....
This was asked before, but I missed the answer. Did they disarm the troops before Clinton visited them?
1,126 posted on 11/27/2003 4:33 PM CST by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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Thank you, more than I can say.
1,127 posted on 11/27/2003 4:33 PM CST by Jeff Chandler (Chilling Effect-1, Global Warming-0)
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>>...a television producer...
He was a FoxNews guy - he stayed in Iraq - they interviewed him earlier.
1,128 posted on 11/27/2003 4:33 PM CST by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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DU is bad - but some of the comments from a number of disgruntled ex-Freepers at tlf are nearly as vile. They sound like a bunch of leftists over there.
It's good to be happy and proud today. : )
Happy Thanksgiving, deport!
1,129 posted on 11/27/2003 4:34 PM CST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Does this holster make me look fat?" - Conspiracy Guy)
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Check out how the Troops are trying to ignore her >>
You got that right, lol. Boy did Bush ever upstage her.
1,130 posted on 11/27/2003 4:35 PM CST by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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Why would they want to even celebrate Thanksgiving. It's not a politically correct holiday.
1,131 posted on 11/27/2003 4:35 PM CST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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Card invited two reporters on the trip Tuesday night on the condition that they keep it secret.
This reminds me of some war correspondent during WW2 who were given the heads up on operations. They would not dare mention it for fear of harming our troops.
A long way from Nam when reporters said they would not give away operations of the VietCong if they were on a story.
1,132 posted on 11/27/2003 4:36 PM CST by mware
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Wasn't that Ginsburg?
1,133 posted on 11/27/2003 4:37 PM CST by mware
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WHAT!! The president is serving food without a hair net, how careless.
1,134 posted on 11/27/2003 4:38 PM CST by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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I'm not officially from that class, but I've been lurking that long.
1,135 posted on 11/27/2003 4:38 PM CST by Jeff Chandler (Chilling Effect-1, Global Warming-0)
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If I was daschle, I would be deeply saddened. But I'm not. ;)
Thanksgiving must be a particulary depressing day for liberals. They believe in nothing, give thanks to no one, and have nothing but a cynical outlook on America's future.
1,136 posted on 11/27/2003 4:39 PM CST by small voice in the wilderness
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DU is bad - but some of the comments from a number of disgruntled ex-Freepers at tlf are nearly as vile. They sound like a bunch of leftists over there.
tlf?
1,137 posted on 11/27/2003 4:39 PM CST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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Check out how the Troops are trying to ignore her:
I feel sorry for the poor troops that had to break bread with Hitlery. And what a contrast between the Hitlery and GW visits. Everyone at the GW dinner was obviously joyous. Those near that pompous, self serving gas bag "thing" were somber. Everybody in the Military understands both GW and Hitlery's motives.
1,138 posted on 11/27/2003 4:41 PM CST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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So Bush is in England? Ireland?
If you'd read the article, you'd see he was eating in Iraq, with the Troops, like a good Command in Chief should.
1,139 posted on 11/27/2003 4:42 PM CST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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The presidential historian Douglas Brinkley, appearing on CNN, called it ``a perfectly executed plan'' that would be ``one of the major moments in his biography.'' It would have provided ``an incredible thrill'' for the American.And American citizens.
1,140 posted on 11/27/2003 4:42 PM CST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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VOA,
I'm only posting this to remind some naysayers on the forum about the need for
caution...not to chastize anybody.
Dog
Dog,
I LOVE this thread as I said in so many words in post 1082.
Some of those naysayer responses early in the thread are gonna' go down in freeper history!
My later post was just comment in case someone might (unthinkingly) step outside
the bounds of prudence in the future.
OK, so I'm one of those old "safety first" foggies...guilty as charged.
And guilty of loving this "Hall of Fame" thread!
1,141 posted on 11/27/2003 4:44 PM CST by VOA
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Happy Thanksgiving to you also. Ours will be tommorrow for us as we will be having a visit from our grandchild who is nine months old. So that will make it extra special
What a nice thing for the Troops to be able to see the President and enjoy some fellowship with him.... He seems to shine his best around the troops and they seem to be very appreciative of him....
I actually don't pay them much attention over there as they are a very small contingent in the cyber community...
1,142 posted on 11/27/2003 4:44 PM CST by deport
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The comments on DU are astounding. Several have complained that their Thanksgiving has been ruined. They are a whiny and pitiful lot!
They just don't get it. Some criticized the troops for cheering him, some said that most Americans see this as a desperate move. None of them get it.
1,143 posted on 11/27/2003 4:44 PM CST by Arkinsaw
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President Bush had many defining moments but the two that stand out to me, were when he stood on the rubble at the World Trade Center and when he threw out that first pitch at the Yankees game after 911.
1,144 posted on 11/27/2003 4:47 PM CST by mware
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I saw breaking news on FR. I turned to FOX. A reporter was talking as I watched the second plane hit. He made some kind of remark like " let's not jump to conclusions here but it's starting to look like this wasn't an accident. I remember remarking "you think?"
1,145 posted on 11/27/2003 4:48 PM CST by CindyDawg
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1,146 posted on 11/27/2003 4:48 PM CST by Flux Capacitor (Surrogate Governor Wanted -- Apply Within)
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"Looks like your boy pulled another carrier landing! A campaign stop at the expense of our troops!"
My nephew is home from Baghdad on 15 day R & R and he said something similar. He said the "Hajis" are going to be lied to, told Bush is still at the airport, and they'll missile and morter the crap out of the airport.
I hope he's wrong.
BTW, he's a real wiseguy. He told the Iraqi kids that come to their gate that his name is Jesus. Whenever they see my nephew they yell "Jesus! Jesus!" and ask for chocolate.
1,147 posted on 11/27/2003 4:49 PM CST by NEPA
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See also some of the OTHER threads about this:
GOTTA SEE THIS-WarEnduring Freedom 11/28/03-Baghdad,Pres.Bush
Posted by Diogenesis
On 11/27/2003 2:36 PM PST with 3 comments
ahoo, AP, Reuters, and the usual suspects | 11/28/03 | President Bush in Iraq with the valiant Armies of GoodU.S. Troops Across Iraq Cheer Surprise Bush Visit
Posted by Ex-Dem
On 11/27/2003 2:14 PM PST with 7 comments
Wired News ^ | November 27, 2003 | Dean YatesReuters: Some Iraqis Welcome Bush, Others Wish Him in Hell
Posted by Pokey78
On 11/27/2003 2:11 PM PST with 17 comments
Reuters ^ | 11/27/03 | Khaled OweisBush appearance stuns troops gathered at airport for Thanksgiving
Posted by Maria S
On 11/27/2003 1:25 PM PST with 31 comments
AP ^ | 11/27/03 | JIM KRANEBush Iraq text (Full transcript of Bush's Thanksgiving Speech to the troops in Iraq)
Posted by FairOpinion
On 11/27/2003 12:29 PM PST with 30 comments
Ledger Enquirer.com -- AP ^ | Nov. 27, 2003 | President George W. Bush(President)Bush Iraq Quotes
Posted by kattracks
On 11/27/2003 11:45 AM PST with 9 comments
AP | 11/27/03Bush Trip to Baghdad Kept Top-Secret
Posted by kattracks
On 11/27/2003 11:25 AM PST with 51 comments
NewsMax.com Wires ^ | 11/27/03 | APDFU SONG: Air Force Hymn (Pres. Bush in Baghdad!!!)
Posted by doug from upland
On 11/27/2003 11:24 AM PST with 11 comments
DFU SONG PARODIES | 11-2003 | Lyrics, Doug from UplandBush Makes Secret Thanksgiving Visit to Iraq
Posted by AmericanMade1776
On 11/27/2003 10:48 AM PST with 125 comments
wireservice.wired.com ^ | nov 27,2003 | steve hollandBush Makes Surprise Visit to Baghdad
Posted by Pro Consul
On 11/27/2003 9:42 AM PST with 14 comments
Fox News ^ | 11/27/2003 | Associated PressBush Makes Surprise Visit to Iraq
Posted by PeteFromMontana
On 11/27/2003 9:42 AM PST with 172 comments
mywaynews via Drudge Report ^ | 11/27/2003 | TERENCE HUNTPresident Bush is eating in my undisclosed location (UPDATE: Undisclosed location is IRAQ!)
Posted by ChiefKujo
On 11/27/2003 7:37 AM PST with 1,137 comments
Eyes on ^ | 271830(C)NOV03 | ChiefKujo
1,148 posted on 11/27/2003 4:49 PM CST by RonDog
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"Why Hillary,...you look like somebody just...walked over your grave."
1,149 posted on 11/27/2003 4:49 PM CST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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This was a great moment in history when President Bush appeared! And the thunderous applause from the troops made me cry. God Bless President Bush and God Bless our beloved military guys and gals!
1,150 posted on 11/27/2003 4:50 PM CST by maxwellp (Throw the U.N. in the garbage where it belongs.)
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Thanks for the ping ! I heard this on the radio just as my wife and I got to my cousin's house for Thxgiving lunch. It was around the same time as your ping too.I told my Dad and his sister that I'd heard this and they both told me that Bush was in Crawford. I thought I may have misunderstood so I just let it pass. Then, on the way home I AGAIN heard them mention this.
First thing after I got home I checked into FR and on the home page there is a picture of Bush and link to this breaking article.
I sent my Dad an e-mail then and told him I wasn't losing my mind ! Bush did make a visit to Baghdad ! ha! ha!
1,151 posted on 11/27/2003 4:50 PM CST by MeeknMing (George Soros "MINOB": http://richard.meek.home.comcast.net/SorosRatsA.JPG)
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There was this idiot repeatedly calling me "Chimpy" when he flamed me the other day, and I wondered where he got that expression. Now I know....
A DUer for sure!
Anyway, I am glad I didn't post when I first started to read this thread because I'd owe KC an apology too. What an incredible and wonderful thing our President did.
My husband's retirement certificate is signed by the previous occupant of that office. It does not get displayed in this house for that reason. Wish we could get a replacement. Maybe they could briefly put my husband back on active duty, and ...
(He wanted to go back in when the war was fixing to start, but they didn't need him back. Good for our kids and our life, but I think he'll always be sorry he didn't get in on finally FINISHING the Gulf War...in IRAQ, not RIYADH!)
1,152 posted on 11/27/2003 4:51 PM CST by ChemistCat (Hang in there, Terri. Absorb. Take in. Live. Heal.)
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"I got to have dinner with ChiefKujo in Iraq!"
- BUSH
Post Card from Iraq to: Hillary, Dean, Kerry, etc. "Wish ya could have been there."
- Bush
1,153 posted on 11/27/2003 4:51 PM CST by DoctorZIn (Until they are free, we shall all be Iranians!)
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I got tears, too!
1,154 posted on 11/27/2003 4:54 PM CST by nicmarlo
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What a near perfect ending to a nice day. Think I'm get myself another piece of blueberry pie with whip cream on it as a treat.
1,155 posted on 11/27/2003 4:54 PM CST by mware
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....My nephew is home from Baghdad on 15 day R & R and he said something similar. He said the "Hajis" are going to be lied to, told Bush is still at the airport, and they'll missile and morter the crap out of the airport. ....
Breaking news: Hundreds of Terrorists slain while trying to fire on an empty airport.
The President's visit is a signal to the troops, the Iraqi council, the Iraqi citizens, the nine dwarves, and America that we are and will win the war on terror. And we will do so because it is right, we are courageous, and we can make more material than any SOB on the planet.
God Bless America!
1,156 posted on 11/27/2003 4:54 PM CST by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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I had no doubt from the minute I saw that the president had gone to Iraq today that the DUhmmies would be apoplectic. How long did it take for them to start saying that he was trying to politicize the war for the benefit of his reelection or is that already the standard RAT talking point on the news?
1,157 posted on 11/27/2003 4:54 PM CST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt)
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I haven't been able to watch the news....but what do they think Hitlery went to Afghanistan for, an Afghan? : )
1,158 posted on 11/27/2003 4:56 PM CST by nicmarlo
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That old hag, Eleanor Clift, is on now.
1,159 posted on 11/27/2003 4:56 PM CST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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Eleanor on now. Someone throw a bucket of cold water on the old hag.
1,160 posted on 11/27/2003 4:56 PM CST by mware
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She's really trying to get in her little digs.
1,161 posted on 11/27/2003 4:57 PM CST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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LOL, GMTA
1,162 posted on 11/27/2003 4:57 PM CST by mware
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Are we on the same wavelength, or what?
1,163 posted on 11/27/2003 4:58 PM CST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=240440
Check out this thread, though. Too funny!
1,164 posted on 11/27/2003 4:58 PM CST by sandlady
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Even she had trouble trying to put this visit down. Wonder what J.F.Kerry and Dean will have to say tomorrow?
1,165 posted on 11/27/2003 4:59 PM CST by mware
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We aren't allowed to link stuff from over there....big no no.
1,166 posted on 11/27/2003 4:59 PM CST by Dog
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I'm sure that Mr. Heinz is digging through his photo album, as we speak, searching for old photos of himself in Vietnam.
As for Dean, I'm sure he'll go somewhere, roll up the sleeves on his dress shirt, loosen his tie, and go into "common man" mode. Then, he'll go into meltdown.
1,167 posted on 11/27/2003 5:01 PM CST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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It may be a no no but it's all over this thread.
1,168 posted on 11/27/2003 5:01 PM CST by sandlady
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Confirmed: FoxNews' Jim Angle was the Pool Reporter...
1,169 posted on 11/27/2003 5:02 PM CST by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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Fox showing the President when he enters the room.....I still get goose bumps..
1,170 posted on 11/27/2003 5:02 PM CST by Dog
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Confirmed: FoxNews' Jim Angle was the Pool Reporter...
Good, I like Jim.
1,171 posted on 11/27/2003 5:03 PM CST by mware
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Didn't seee it. I guess all the time that Bill spent carrying his 25 lb. Bible to and from services didn't leave much of an impression on her.
1,172 posted on 11/27/2003 5:03 PM CST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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Breaking news: Hundreds of Terrorists slain while trying to fire on an empty airport.
I sure hope you're right! When people starting pissin and moanin about terrorists gathering in Iraq I thought "great, it will be easier to kill them that way instead of chasing them all over the planet."
I was happy to hear that Bush met with the governing council while over there. That should give them some inspiration to get their act together.
1,173 posted on 11/27/2003 5:05 PM CST by NEPA
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Hey! DU and Hillary! IN YOUR FACE!!!
1,174 posted on 11/27/2003 5:05 PM CST by Brad's Gramma (I'm goin' to LoganLand!)
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LOL, did you hear that his folks did not even know he was going? I bet his mom is going to give him the devil.
Brit is going to interview his mom tonight.
1,175 posted on 11/27/2003 5:05 PM CST by mware
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....I had no doubt from the minute I saw that the president had gone to Iraq today that the DUhmmies would be apoplectic ....
Tobey Keith singing Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue atop a garish display of the flag and a golden eagle, while the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders undulate on the stage (in a nice way) at halftime of an NFL football game.
Must be tough to be a Rat today!
1,176 posted on 11/27/2003 5:06 PM CST by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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Go to Drudge and read the WaPo reporter's raw notes. They are an interesting account of the entire operation. From it I learned that the pool reporter was Fox's Jim Angle. I can hardly wait to hear a first-hand account for him. How exciting this whole trip must have been.
1,177 posted on 11/27/2003 5:07 PM CST by pbear8 ( sed libera nos a malo)
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What time??
1,178 posted on 11/27/2003 5:07 PM CST by nicmarlo
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"the little forum"
1,179 posted on 11/27/2003 5:07 PM CST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Does this holster make me look fat?" - Conspiracy Guy)
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Be back in about 1/2 an hour going to my sisters house for seconds.
1,180 posted on 11/27/2003 5:07 PM CST by mware
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Brit is on right now. I am not sure if the interview is during this show or later in the evening.
1,181 posted on 11/27/2003 5:09 PM CST by mware
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okay, thanks
1,182 posted on 11/27/2003 5:09 PM CST by nicmarlo
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No soul in those eyes. Easy to imagine them in the body of a crocodile or some other serpent.
1,183 posted on 11/27/2003 5:10 PM CST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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Eat a slice of pie for me....:-)
1,184 posted on 11/27/2003 5:10 PM CST by Dog
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Hey! DU and Hillary! IN YOUR FACE!!!
Speaking of the former, I just paid a visit to enemy territory. ......and those fools are going absolutely insane about this. Ruined their Turkey Day.
1,185 posted on 11/27/2003 5:10 PM CST by Mr. Mojo
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>>Brit is on right now. I am not sure if the interview is during this show or later in the evening.
The interview with the First Mom was recorded before all of this happened...
1,186 posted on 11/27/2003 5:10 PM CST by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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the pool reporter was Fox's Jim Angle. I can hardly wait to hear a first-hand account for him. How exciting this whole trip must have been.
Very cool for Jim. He must have been beside himself....look forward to his report; thanks for the heads up.
1,187 posted on 11/27/2003 5:12 PM CST by nicmarlo
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This day keeps getting better and better.....the Dallas Cowboys are getting creamed by the Fish.
Go EAGLES!!!
1,188 posted on 11/27/2003 5:12 PM CST by Dog
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LOL... Happy Thanksgiving, Daughter!
1,189 posted on 11/27/2003 5:13 PM CST by Chad Fairbanks (Of course there's more to Science than just hurting animals, but frankly its the part I like best.)
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I am not one who condemned your post, but you were right, IMO.
1,190 posted on 11/27/2003 5:13 PM CST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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My first time visiting there.. and you are right it is funny... they adore her like we adore "THEM".. We share the same opinions & make many of the same remarks but about opposite people. Like it HERE MUCH BETTER>
Thanks for link, it was interesting
1,191 posted on 11/27/2003 5:14 PM CST by DollyCali (Spell Button: to cast a spell on recipient of post)
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Very cool !!
thanks BG
oh, hey, Hope you're having a great Thanksgiving!
1,192 posted on 11/27/2003 5:14 PM CST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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Chief Kujo,
You're my hero! I saw this thread when it started, right before I left for our family Thanksgiving dinner at my sisters. Being the dumb blonde I am, I didn't pay that much attention to it. Wow!
God Bless all of our troops and President Bush. I couldn't be more proud to be an American (and a Freeper) as I am now.
1,193 posted on 11/27/2003 5:15 PM CST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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Happy Thanksgiving, Chad. Shouldn't you be slaving away over something? : )
1,194 posted on 11/27/2003 5:20 PM CST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Does this holster make me look fat?" - Conspiracy Guy)
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Chimpy is one of their favorite slurs over there
1,195 posted on 11/27/2003 5:21 PM CST by mylife
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That's my George!
1,196 posted on 11/27/2003 5:23 PM CST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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Was my #479 really that bad?
I petition for a restore! (plus, the whole thing is quoted in 505.)
1,197 posted on 11/27/2003 5:23 PM CST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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I'm just waiting for the taters to finish boiling, and then I gotta mash them. They should finish at about the same time as the turkey, about 15 minutes before my guest's arrival.
THe food is nearly done, the house is clean, dishes are washed, etc... so I have a few moments to spare - intil the wife gets home and says, "What did you do all day, B**ch?" ;0)
1,198 posted on 11/27/2003 5:23 PM CST by Chad Fairbanks (Of course there's more to Science than just hurting animals, but frankly its the part I like best.)
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"....but what do they think Hitlery went to Afghanistan for, an Afghan? : )"
My thoughts exactly.
Happy Thanksgiving, nic!
1,199 posted on 11/27/2003 5:23 PM CST by maggiefluffs
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Happy Thanksgiving to you, maggie! : ) What a wonderful, surprising day has been. A great day for our troops.
1,200 posted on 11/27/2003 5:25 PM CST by nicmarlo
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Did you see her shoveling that food into her pie hole. Boy she can go. I wonder if she asked for seconds.
While "whats-her-name" was making a big deal and a big show out of "eating with the troops," I feel quite certain she was relishing the VIP treatment.
Meanwhile, the President served the troops. One report I read made a point of saying "he didn't eat." The point exactly...he went as a servant of those who serve.
Now some will say the President did this as a political stunt. Political? Certainly! But blatantly classy! Good job, imho...
1,201 posted on 11/27/2003 5:25 PM CST by Ulysses
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THe food is nearly done, the house is clean, dishes are washed, etc... so I have a few moments to spare - intil the wife gets home and says, "What did you do all day, B**ch?" ;0)
The problem with you Chad is that you're so darn lazy. ; ) (You forgot that other project you're working on in between kitchen timers going off.)
1,202 posted on 11/27/2003 5:26 PM CST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Does this holster make me look fat?" - Conspiracy Guy)
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Saw your post.....too cool about the Pres being in front of FR, serving up turkey to the troops! : )
1,203 posted on 11/27/2003 5:27 PM CST by nicmarlo
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I am sorry you were so poorly treated her by some of these people. God bless you for your service ,and Happy Thanksgiving.
1,204 posted on 11/27/2003 5:27 PM CST by No More Gore Anymore
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Imagine what that moment was like for those troops to see the CIC standing in a tent in a war zone with them? Imagine the joy for the families with the coverage of their loved ones standing with the President.
God Bless Them All and God Bless President Bush!
1,205 posted on 11/27/2003 5:27 PM CST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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Check out this thread, though. Too funny!
Bwahahahaha! what a bunch of marooons!
1,206 posted on 11/27/2003 5:28 PM CST by mylife
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Ah yes, that other project. It's a holiday - I'm entitled (I hate that word) to a break here and there... :)
1,207 posted on 11/27/2003 5:28 PM CST by Chad Fairbanks (Of course there's more to Science than just hurting animals, but frankly its the part I like best.)
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Chief, I love the first responses to your post. Nobody knew what you were talking about.
1,208 posted on 11/27/2003 5:30 PM CST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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sandlady, LOL! Thanks for the link (although as a newbie, I, too, didn't realize it was a no-no...thanks for the heads-up, Dog).
It would appear that Politicub showed up just in time to make an asinine statement. (See post #38) BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
1,209 posted on 11/27/2003 5:32 PM CST by CovenBuster (Infuriating liberal covens from coast to coast!)
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It took me 45 minutes to catch up with and read every post on this thread.
Time well spent. I am a HAPPY camper.
Time for a game of pro-capitalism Monopoly with the kids and then pumpkin custard pudding. (Pie crust? Yuck. Never did get why anyone feels the need to wrap perfectly good fruit and such in greased flour.)
1,210 posted on 11/27/2003 5:33 PM CST by ChemistCat (Hang in there, Terri. Absorb. Take in. Live. Heal.)
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Perfect . Thanks for posting this Chief !
1,211 posted on 11/27/2003 5:33 PM CST by dorben ( " The Spenders " ..)
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Godspeed to your son and Happy Thanksgiving to your entire family.
1,212 posted on 11/27/2003 5:33 PM CST by No More Gore Anymore
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Thanks for hanging in there with this thread, Mod, in spite of heat from the unbelievers. :-)
1,213 posted on 11/27/2003 5:33 PM CST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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Drudge has a good report..
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashbb.htm
1,214 posted on 11/27/2003 5:33 PM CST by DollyCali (Spell Button: to cast a spell on recipient of post)
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Thanks, Mad_Tom.
I so don't care, though.
I'm still on a high that the CiC flew right into Iraq like nobody's business and showed the whole whining world that we rule.
What a hoot!
1,215 posted on 11/27/2003 5:34 PM CST by mrobison (We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
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Fantastic!
1,216 posted on 11/27/2003 5:35 PM CST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Your joy is your sorrow unmasked." --- GIBRAN)
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Well, I hope you have a lovely dinner with your family. Wink at your munchkins for me.
Happy Thanksgiving, "Happy Man". : )
1,217 posted on 11/27/2003 5:35 PM CST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Does this holster make me look fat?" - Conspiracy Guy)
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That was a serious "note to self". I've done the same thing before!
1,218 posted on 11/27/2003 5:37 PM CST by TankerKC (Member since before you! I win!)
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Barbara bush is on fox, she is so proud!
1,219 posted on 11/27/2003 5:37 PM CST by mylife
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I will, thanks :0)
1,220 posted on 11/27/2003 5:37 PM CST by Chad Fairbanks (Of course there's more to Science than just hurting animals, but frankly its the part I like best.)
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Imagine the joy for the families with the coverage of their loved ones standing with the President
you know BBL. that is what I was thinking.. all of them around the TV looking for & OH NOW IT"S HIM(HER) remarks & getting the vcr set up for next news coverage.
How exciting for the men/women & their families
Over on the "naughty thread" they were saying GWB's trip is not as "good" at the beast's because he only was in & out & she shows her true caring by spending several days. guess that will be their spin.
1,221 posted on 11/27/2003 5:38 PM CST by DollyCali (Spell Button: to cast a spell on recipient of post)
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LOL!!!
1,222 posted on 11/27/2003 5:39 PM CST by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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Happy Thanksgiving to you, too!
1,223 posted on 11/27/2003 5:39 PM CST by Brad's Gramma (I'm goin' to LoganLand!)
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Welcome to FRee Republic. I am relatively new also and still am learning the "guidelines/rules".. You aren't spanked too badly when you mess up (depending on what, the spirit, motivation etc).. like DemoFlamers get bumped pretty fast. Most of us if we mess us get some "learnin' " from seasoned participants.
Happy Thanksgiving!
1,224 posted on 11/27/2003 5:41 PM CST by DollyCali (Spell Button: to cast a spell on recipient of post)
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"I'm sure that Mr. Heinz is digging through his photo album, as we speak, searching for old photos of himself in Vietnam"
The moto of the combat infantry officer is, "follow me." I think President Bush is easy to follow, I reserve judgement on Senator Kerry on the basis he has to run as a RAT.
1,225 posted on 11/27/2003 5:42 PM CST by shrinkermd (i)
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I told my husband that this trip to Iraq reminded me so much of when he threw out that pitch in NY.
Both took guts!!!
1,226 posted on 11/27/2003 5:44 PM CST by dawn53
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1,227 posted on 11/27/2003 5:44 PM CST by MeeknMing (George Soros "MINOB": http://richard.meek.home.comcast.net/SorosRatsA.JPG)
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Happy Thanksgiving, ChemistCat....I haven't waded through all the posts......yet! : )
1,228 posted on 11/27/2003 5:44 PM CST by nicmarlo
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"They sound like a bunch of leftists over there"
There is a reason for this.
1,229 posted on 11/27/2003 5:45 PM CST by Lead Moderator
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Just logged on and learned the exciting news of the President's visit!
What a time to be TV deprived....we are awaiting Dish Network installation!
1,230 posted on 11/27/2003 5:46 PM CST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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Class of '98 checking in. Angelwood and I (both members of the Class of '98) went to Walter Reed Army Medical Center today, along with TruthNtegrity, tgslTakoma and Mark Phelps.
We visited Sgt. Santos and about a dozen other patients in his ward. Most of them had family there, so our visits were short for the most part. Spirits were mostly good, but some of the guys are dealing with serious, life-altering injuries.
When we got out of the hospital and were back on the road, we heard on the radio confirmation of President Bush's trip to Baghdad and let out a loud cheer!
1,231 posted on 11/27/2003 5:46 PM CST by kristinn
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What I CAN'T understand is why this is breaking news.
I hope this was a joke!
1,232 posted on 11/27/2003 5:48 PM CST by ladyinred (The Left have blood on their hands!)
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Meanwhile, in other news, Democratic Presidential hopeful Howard Dean (D-VT) responded to President Bush's remarkable visit to Baghdad: "Well, I would have gone; but there was no place to ski..."
Or:
"Well, I would have gone; but I had a problem with my back..."
1,233 posted on 11/27/2003 5:50 PM CST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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"What did you do all day, B**ch?" ;0)
You shouldn't have to put up with that. Tell her, "Men deserve respect, too!" and then stamp your little foot.
1,234 posted on 11/27/2003 5:51 PM CST by stands2reason ("Don't funk with my funk."--Bootsy Collins)
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Class of '98?
Yeah, that includes me.
1,235 posted on 11/27/2003 5:51 PM CST by Dales
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"but what do they think Hitlery went to Afghanistan for, an Afghan?"
Don't you just know that when the troops in Afghanistan heard about the president going to Iraq, they had to be thinking, "what did we do to deserve getting stuck with Hillary?"
1,236 posted on 11/27/2003 5:51 PM CST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt)
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Or:
I would have gone. No, I wouldn't have gone. Yes, I would have gone. No, I wouldn't have gone... I think...
1,237 posted on 11/27/2003 5:52 PM CST by mrobison (We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
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Meanwhile, in other news, Democratic Presidential hopeful Howard Dean (D-VT) responded to President Bush's remarkable visit to Baghdad: "Well, I would have gone; but there was no place to ski..."
And John Kerry is reported to be making inquiries as to where he can rent some balls.
1,238 posted on 11/27/2003 5:53 PM CST by mylife
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"That old hag, Eleanor Clift, is on now."
That woman is unbearable! She has a voice like fingernails on a chalkboard.
1,239 posted on 11/27/2003 5:53 PM CST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt)
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Thank you for visiting the wounded at Walter Reed Hospital today.
I wrote a note to Sgt. Santos thanking him for his service and assuring him of my prayers for his recovery.
1,240 posted on 11/27/2003 5:54 PM CST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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"...This is for people with integrity."
LOL! YES!
1,241 posted on 11/27/2003 5:54 PM CST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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Thanks for going to WR today, Carrie filled me in on the visit and Sgt Santos will be getting released in two weeks..more hospital care at Wright Patterson...and what about our CinC....finally a Commander in Chief with balls(excuse me)!!
1,242 posted on 11/27/2003 5:54 PM CST by mystery-ak (GodSpeed, Mike.)
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(Pie crust? Yuck. Never did get why anyone feels the need to wrap perfectly good fruit and such in greased flour.)
Good! I'm not the only one! I always have a little naked section of pie shell left over from eating pie.
1,243 posted on 11/27/2003 5:54 PM CST by stands2reason ("Don't funk with my funk."--Bootsy Collins)
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"Must be tough to be a Rat today!"
Is there ever a good day to be a RAT?
1,244 posted on 11/27/2003 5:55 PM CST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt)
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What a time to be TV deprived....we are awaiting Dish Network installation! Just logged on and learned the exciting news of the President's visit!
This might be a good time to re-post THIS:
To: Revolting cat!; ChadGoreIt is just a SHORT video clip, but the BEST part: when our guys realize that their Commander in Chief is actually on the ground in their war zone...
http://www.thecarolinachannel.com/index.html#
Video clip of Bush being introduced and the troops going wild!
Catch Bremer's intro!
I hope this is played over and over!!
If that link is faulty, click here http://www.thecarolinachannel.com/index.html and click "Bush speaks to soldiers"
786 posted on 11/27/2003 11:57 AM PST by visualops (Liberty is both the plan of Heaven for humanity, and the best hope for progress here on Earth.-G.W.B)
1,245 posted on 11/27/2003 5:55 PM CST by RonDog
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After this, Eleanor will need the jaws of life just to go to the bathroom.
ROFL!!! Funniest line I've seen in a long time.
1,246 posted on 11/27/2003 5:55 PM CST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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>> re Elanor Clift: That woman is unbearable! She has a voice like fingernails on a chalkboard.
There's one make that two worse: Susan Estrich, and Gloria Alred's daughter, CourtTV's Lisa Bloom, who screeches about everything.
1,247 posted on 11/27/2003 5:56 PM CST by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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"what did we do to deserve getting stuck with Hillary?"
1,248 posted on 11/27/2003 5:57 PM CST by nicmarlo
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There is an old saying here that you're not a REAL Freeper until you,ve been flamed. Soooo...
DollyCali
You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon
CovenBuster
You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot. And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?
There! Now it's "official" :-)
1,249 posted on 11/27/2003 5:58 PM CST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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Actually, since Thanksgiving is the only day I ever do anything around here, I think I'll just quietly sit there and not draw attention to that fact ;0)
1,250 posted on 11/27/2003 5:59 PM CST by Chad Fairbanks (Of course there's more to Science than just hurting animals, but frankly its the part I like best.)
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President Bush is eating in my undisclosed location (UPDATE: Undisclosed location is IRAQ!)
Eyes on ^ | 271830(C)NOV03 | ChiefKujo
Posted on 11/27/2003 9:37 AM CST by ChiefKujo
I have watched that clip several times today and still can't do it without crying. Don't think I ever will.
1,251 posted on 11/27/2003 5:59 PM CST by mrobison (We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
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"It was a display of confidence in our ability to protect not just us, but him," said Pfc. Telo Monahan, 20, of Woodinville, Washington. "It was just three or four days after that DHL plane got hit."
Three or four days after DHL. Amazing!
1,252 posted on 11/27/2003 5:59 PM CST by FreeReign (Rein in this...)
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Pfc. Monahan, you da man.
1,253 posted on 11/27/2003 6:00 PM CST by mrobison (We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
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THANK YOU so much.....the video clip is great....just like being there....so very exciting!
HOOOOORAY for Dubya! What a man! What a great President!
Thanks be to God Bush WON!
1,254 posted on 11/27/2003 6:00 PM CST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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Another '98 alum checking in to thank the D.C. Chapter for visiting our boys in Walter Reed to whom our most grateful thanks is also and most definitely due.
1,255 posted on 11/27/2003 6:01 PM CST by LisaFab
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She must have just gotten the news about W's Baghdad visit. Looks like Hillary's about to spew.....
1,256 posted on 11/27/2003 6:02 PM CST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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1,257 posted on 11/27/2003 6:03 PM CST by GraniteStateConservative ("He's got to win in '04. No one else can prosecute this war like he can."- Cpt. J. Morrison, Baghdad)
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If the image URL is say http://www.freerepublic.com/pics/bushthanksgiving.jpg , then to display it in a post, with a link text of A man of honour, type:
1,258 posted on 11/27/2003 6:03 PM CST by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!!!)
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BBC says "it was quite an extraodrinary stunt"
1,259 posted on 11/27/2003 6:06 PM CST by Print
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Just found another video of the Surprise Visit. Hope this works for others.....
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/video.adp?id=20031127151709990001
1,260 posted on 11/27/2003 6:07 PM CST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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We've been wanting to go there before, but weren't sure how to go about. Now that we know we hope to be able to visit with the soldiers there on a regular basis. Recent visitors there, judging by autographed photos on the wall, were Aerosmith and Billy Ray Cyrus.
1,261 posted on 11/27/2003 6:08 PM CST by kristinn
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BBC says "it was quite an extraodrinary stunt"
They would have said the same about that little dittie we call the American Revolution.
1,262 posted on 11/27/2003 6:08 PM CST by TomGuy
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"Sorry Senator Clinton, three servings is enough. There are others who have not eaten yet."
1,263 posted on 11/27/2003 6:08 PM CST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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This is so great! I read a different thread where I found out about this, and then I read this one from the start - where nobody believed the first poster (Chief Kujo)!
GWB rocks, and so do Freepers.
1,264 posted on 11/27/2003 6:09 PM CST by livius
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nice!
1,265 posted on 11/27/2003 6:10 PM CST by mylife
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There's more around than folks might think. They just don't post too much.
1,266 posted on 11/27/2003 6:11 PM CST by kristinn
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I got an email last evening from another Freeper with Sgt. Santos' address....if anyone wants to send him a card or note....freepmail me for his address.
1,267 posted on 11/27/2003 6:12 PM CST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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The only person I know that doesn't mind Army chow...she was really chowing down on that turkey roll....yuck!
1,268 posted on 11/27/2003 6:13 PM CST by mystery-ak (GodSpeed, Mike.)
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Hope this works for others.....
It appears that you need to be an AOL subscriber to access that video. :(
1,269 posted on 11/27/2003 6:13 PM CST by RonDog
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OMG! I feel like I've just been crowned Homecoming Queen! You like me... you really, really like me!
Thanks, Valin.
1,270 posted on 11/27/2003 6:15 PM CST by CovenBuster (Infuriating liberal covens from coast to coast!)
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no, I told you on other thread he is MY GEORGE.
*G*
1,271 posted on 11/27/2003 6:15 PM CST by DollyCali (Spell Button: to cast a spell on recipient of post)
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We went as ambassadors of goodwill, thanks and support from FR. MJY1288 went yesterday. The men and women told us the staff takes good care of them.
1,272 posted on 11/27/2003 6:15 PM CST by kristinn
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"type the four characters < in its place." == Thanks. :) One of these days I have to learn HTML.
1,273 posted on 11/27/2003 6:16 PM CST by FairOpinion
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Hillary Clinton met with Afghan President Hamid Karzai today, mistakenly thinking he was actor Ben Kingsley. When she solicited him for his obligatory Leftist-Hollywood donation to her non-campaign, Karzai indicated he was in the middle of a serious cash crunch.
The former first lady was later heard to mutter, "That silly little man. I never liked him in Gandhi."
1,274 posted on 11/27/2003 6:16 PM CST by mrobison (We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
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DRATS....it's very similar to the one you posted!
1,275 posted on 11/27/2003 6:17 PM CST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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"Did they disarm the troops before Clinton visited them?"
I have heard from several sources that this happened, but have not been able to confirm it. Does anyone have confirmation?
Carolyn
1,276 posted on 11/27/2003 6:18 PM CST by CDHart
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>>...BBC says "it was quite an extraodrinary stunt"...<<
ABC news tonight was focusing on the fact he LIED to US in order to go on this trip. Basically "is it good for a president to lie to the country?" BARF!
1,277 posted on 11/27/2003 6:18 PM CST by tscislaw (Never Forget: www.september-11-videos.com)
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Notice, to her right, absolutely NONE of the soldiers is EVEN interested in her. ROFL!
1,278 posted on 11/27/2003 6:18 PM CST by nicmarlo
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lol
1,279 posted on 11/27/2003 6:19 PM CST by nicmarlo
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Only one man could pick up the Troopers' morale, upstage Hillary, and knock Micheal Jackson off of the t.v. screen in one fell swoop. Thank you, Mr.President!
1,280 posted on 11/27/2003 6:19 PM CST by zygoat
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love those pics, meekie!
1,281 posted on 11/27/2003 6:19 PM CST by nicmarlo
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Yep....GWB rocks....big time!
Thanks be to God that BUSH WON!
1,282 posted on 11/27/2003 6:21 PM CST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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Ack darn splat -- I was mixing my html metaphors.
Images don't get link text. Just type: <img src="http://www.freerepublic.com/pics/bushthanksgiving.jpg">
Sorry.
1,283 posted on 11/27/2003 6:21 PM CST by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!!!)
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bravo kirstinn.. the right kind of Activist.
God bless you for sharing your time.
Get any digital pix?
1,284 posted on 11/27/2003 6:22 PM CST by DollyCali (Spell Button: to cast a spell on recipient of post)
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There are SO MANY ANGLES to this historic event. My brain is about to explode as I think of the hundreds of ramifications.
Among them:
--Japanese TV on all networks and on the web, in Japanese, has this as the NUMBER ONE NEWS ISSUE, and Bush appears to be coming off as a bold hero, giving Japanese more courage and strength to stay in the fight with us.
--Kim Jong-il, North Korean dictator, in Pyongyang, who views Bush as his direct adversarial counterpart, must be absolutely defecagting bricks in Pyongyang. This will scare him and many many other tyrants.
Phenominal. Absolutely historic. Hillary Clinton, all the Democrat candidates and particularly Wesley Clark, must also be palpitating and blacking out.
Can anyone imagine the D.U. threads at this time? Wonder if they are all on a Jim Jones Kool-Aid Watch over there....
1,285 posted on 11/27/2003 6:23 PM CST by AmericanInTokyo (NORTH KOREA is a DANGEROUS CANCER in late stages; we still only meditate and take herbal medicines)
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LOL!!! I've been sitting here quietly trying not to draw attention to the fact that the most effort I make at preparing a meal at thanksgiving is pulling the pop-top off a can of turkey n' giblets flavored Friskies, holding said can upside down over a paper plate until it *SPLOOTCHES* out, and breaking it up with a questionably clean fork.
Meanwhile, my DH has been directing the preparation and serving of Thanksgiving dinner for about 1300 people.
So you know what I'm thankful for. ;-)
1,286 posted on 11/27/2003 6:23 PM CST by stands2reason ("Don't funk with my funk."--Bootsy Collins)
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This was a great moment in history when President Bush appeared! And the thunderous applause from the troops made me cry.
I cried a little too. It felt good.
1,287 posted on 11/27/2003 6:24 PM CST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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Yo.
1,288 posted on 11/27/2003 6:26 PM CST by LikeLight ( ___________________________________ it's a line)
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Okay everyone DU is ganging up on a poll that asks if the Presidents visit was worth it.I think we need to get active on the poll.Here is the link.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/wolf.blitzer.reports/
1,289 posted on 11/27/2003 6:27 PM CST by tapatio
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Thanks for helping cheer up the injured. I"m sure they enjoy being able to see someone to visit with even it's only for a few moments. It means a lot.....
The President's trip will really cheer up the troops in Iraq... I'm glad that he was able to do it and that the trip wasn't leaked.
1,290 posted on 11/27/2003 6:27 PM CST by deport
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Re...'this wasn't about politics'...
Dog, I realize the President went to Iraq because he cares deeply for our soldiers. And that's one of the reasons I care, so much, about him. He's genuinely a good man.
But, I couldn't help thinking 'take that, Hillary' cause, in my humble opinion, anything Hillary does is for her own political gain.
1,291 posted on 11/27/2003 6:27 PM CST by 4integrity (AJ)
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Have taken a peek at them...the goons actually think GWB did it to upstage hillary....even though the planning was 5/6 weeks ago....they are all 'deeply saddened'....LOL
1,292 posted on 11/27/2003 6:29 PM CST by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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DollyCali You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you. You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon
are you my ex???
*G*
Thanks for warm welcome..In the spirit of breaking the ice
1,293 posted on 11/27/2003 6:31 PM CST by DollyCali (Spell Button: to cast a spell on recipient of post)
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Isn't it awesome!? Just makes me bust with pride for our C in C and all our troops.
1,294 posted on 11/27/2003 6:32 PM CST by visualops (Liberty is both the plan of Heaven for humanity, and the best hope for progress here on Earth.-G.W.B)
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I'm still on a high that the CiC flew right into Iraq like nobody's business and showed the whole whining world that we rule.
Aren't we all. I am SO PROUD of GW and our brave defenders of our freedom. A Thanksgiving to remember!
1,295 posted on 11/27/2003 6:34 PM CST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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let them knock themselves out, the poll is currently 81% pro bush 19% anti
1,296 posted on 11/27/2003 6:35 PM CST by mylife
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WOW. I am so lovin this President. God Bless him. Everyone at my house, all ages, let out a huge shout and converged on the TVs as soon as we heard. Even the teenagers are impressed. Now they're all trying to figure out why I headed to the computer. LOL.
That's what I did...lol. I've been out all day and for the first time came across this great news and RUSHED to FreeRepublic.com. What a great suprise.
I love the President as well. GO BUSH!!
1,297 posted on 11/27/2003 6:36 PM CST by Aaron0617
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Oh boy deeply saddened is an understatement.The people posting over there are absolutely rabid.They are blind to the fact that the troops love this President for standing behind them 100 percent.He is their commander in chief no questions asked.Open your eyes DUer's,no amount of your hating is going to shake the President or the troops.
1,298 posted on 11/27/2003 6:37 PM CST by tapatio
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Thanks for the ping to the other thread!
Man, this is the best Thanksgiving I've had in recent memory.
1,299 posted on 11/27/2003 6:38 PM CST by visualops (Liberty is both the plan of Heaven for humanity, and the best hope for progress here on Earth.-G.W.B)
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I voted.. looks pretty good.. 89 / 11?
thanks for heads up.. will see how CNN can make these results look bad
1,300 posted on 11/27/2003 6:38 PM CST by DollyCali (Spell Button: to cast a spell on recipient of post)
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just wait and watch the news in a few hours...
What did you know and when did you know it?
1,301 posted on 11/27/2003 6:41 PM CST by alnick
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are you my ex???
I'm not that stupid. :-)
1,302 posted on 11/27/2003 6:41 PM CST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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From http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/wolf.blitzer.reports/:
1,303 posted on 11/27/2003 6:42 PM CST by RonDog
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Good luck to the loosers!! Those results are with DU actively attempting to skew the poll!!
Loosers!
1,304 posted on 11/27/2003 6:43 PM CST by mylife
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Yes 81% 19073 votes
No 19% 4460 votes
Total: 23533 votes
1,305 posted on 11/27/2003 6:44 PM CST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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Don't ya love it!
1,306 posted on 11/27/2003 6:45 PM CST by tapatio
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I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when 43 told his advisors what he was going to do!
Yup, about as thrilled as when he told them he was going to do a trap landing on the Abraham Lincoln!!!!
I love this President.
1,307 posted on 11/27/2003 6:45 PM CST by TruthNtegrity (God bless America, God bless President George W. Bush and God bless our Military!)
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Don't ya love it!
Im grinning ear to ear.
1,308 posted on 11/27/2003 6:46 PM CST by mylife
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It is just a SHORT video clip, but the BEST part: when our guys realize that their Commander in Chief is actually on the ground in their war zone...
I can't find the video anywhere on that website. The "Bush speaks to soldiers" link just takes you to an article.
I did find their forum, and some of the posts are even more idiotic than the posts on DU. This one is my favorite:
I find this very stupid. This morning my best friend and I was very excited when we heard that Hilary Duff was going to perform in The Thanksgiving Parade. As the show went along my friend and I got more and more excited, and just when Hilary Duff was going to sing, a special news report came on about the President making a surprise visit to the troops in Baghdad. As they showed him and the troops, my friend and I were furious. I don't think the news casters understood or even thought to consider how many teenagers including myself got up early to enjoy the festive parade let alone watch Hilary Duff. I was and still am very upset that they had to cut out right when she was going to perform to tell America that the President was in Baghdad...Yes that is very nice of him, but I believe it was a wrong doing of there?s. Maybe they should think about other people before doing something
If I ever had a child that stupid I think I'd kill myself.
1,309 posted on 11/27/2003 6:46 PM CST by Bubba_Leroy
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It is just a SHORT video clip, but the BEST part: when our guys realize that their Commander in Chief is actually on the ground in their war zone...
I can't find the video anywhere on that website. The "Bush speaks to soldiers" link just takes you to an article.
I did find their forum, and some of the posts are even more idiotic than the posts on DU. This one is my favorite:
I find this very stupid. This morning my best friend and I was very excited when we heard that Hilary Duff was going to perform in The Thanksgiving Parade. As the show went along my friend and I got more and more excited, and just when Hilary Duff was going to sing, a special news report came on about the President making a surprise visit to the troops in Baghdad. As they showed him and the troops, my friend and I were furious. I don't think the news casters understood or even thought to consider how many teenagers including myself got up early to enjoy the festive parade let alone watch Hilary Duff. I was and still am very upset that they had to cut out right when she was going to perform to tell America that the President was in Baghdad...Yes that is very nice of him, but I believe it was a wrong doing of there?s. Maybe they should think about other people before doing something
If I ever had a child that stupid I think I'd kill myself.
1,310 posted on 11/27/2003 6:46 PM CST by Bubba_Leroy
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Yup, thanks for the ping, LSOG. I dropped in at FR this morning for a few minutes, saw this, and thought it was a Freeper Parody! I couldn't believe he actually did this, until this afternoon, when I heard it on the hourly radio news. Dubya got some big stones to pull this off. Dubya and Condi with their baseball caps pulled down over their eyes, LOL, I love it! And, the news quoted him as saying, "I think we just looked like a normal couple." LOL! Yeah, just the Prez and the Nat'l Security Advisor, no big deal!
I don't think He Whose Name Will Not Be Mentioned on Thanksgiving, who would have a baseball cap pulled down over his eyes for other Reasons That Will Not Be Mentioned on Thanksgiving, would have had the nerve to do it.
1,311 posted on 11/27/2003 6:47 PM CST by FlyVet
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This has been one amazing day GWB in Iraq, Toby Keith rocks the Dallas Cowboys halftime show with Courtesy of the Red White & Blue. It really is a blessing to live the USA
1,312 posted on 11/27/2003 6:47 PM CST by boxerblues (If you can read this.. Thank a Teacher..If you can read this in English ..Thank a US Soldier)
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