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King David's Palace Is Found, Archaeologist Says
New York Times ^ | August 5, 2005 | STEVEN ERLANGER

Posted on 08/05/2005 11:51:57 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

An Israeli archaeologist says she has uncovered in East Jerusalem what may be the fabled palace of the biblical King David. Her work has been sponsored by a conservative Israeli research institute and financed by an American Jewish investment banker who would like to prove that Jerusalem was indeed the capital of the Jewish kingdom described in the Bible.

Other scholars are skeptical that the foundation walls discovered by the archaeologist, Eilat Mazar, are David's palace. But they acknowledge that what she has uncovered is rare and important: a major public building from around the 10th century B.C., with pottery shards that date to the time of David and Solomon and a government seal of an official mentioned in the book of Jeremiah.

The discovery is likely to be a new salvo in a major dispute in biblical archaeology: whether the kingdom of David was of some historical magnitude, or whether the kings were more like small tribal chieftains, reigning over another dusty hilltop.

The find will also be used in the broad political battle over Jerusalem - whether the Jews have their origins here and thus have some special hold on the place, or whether, as many Palestinians have said, including the late Yasir Arafat, the idea of a Jewish origin in Jerusalem is a myth used to justify conquest and occupation.

Hani Nur el-Din, a Palestinian professor of archaeology at Al Quds University, said he and his colleagues considered biblical archaeology an effort by Israelis "to fit historical evidence into a biblical context." He added: "The link between the historical evidence and the biblical narration, written much later, is largely missing. There's a kind of fiction about the 10th century. They try to link whatever they find to the biblical narration. ...

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To: Siena Dreaming
Who in the world is Harold Camping?

President and General Manager of this:
Family Radio

It should be noted that some time ago, like maybe over 10 years, this guy wrote a book predicting that Christ would return in September of that year. Of course, since that didn't happen, he has been trying to explain why he was right ever since. Seems that the older he gets the nuttier he gets...

(Opinions expressed are my own....)

121 posted on 08/06/2005 12:45:55 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (Deja Moo - The feeling you've heard this bull before...)
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To: NoCmpromiz
OK, now that you've had to explain who Harold Camping is after accusing me of listening too much to him...why would you associate me with this guy?

He's as far from my belief as you can get.

122 posted on 08/06/2005 12:50:38 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: West Coast Conservative

Good news. Historically the palestinians have no claim to the area but that hasn't stopped them from making claims that they have no right to make.

Here is an excerpt from http://www.masada2000.org/

" Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C.E. these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the Arabs is preposterous!

Ancient Jerusalem

Then in 70 C.E. (nearly 2000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's turn to march through ancient Israel and destroy the SECOND Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of its Jewish population. Many Jews left on their own because conditions for life were made unbearable in many respects... yet thousands upon thousands stayed and rebelled on for centuries in order to once again rebuild a Jewish Nation in this Holy Land.

Over 3250 years, various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel's ancient capital. The region was successively ruled by the Hebrews [Jews], Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, the Crusaders, Mamelukes, the Turks (who indifferently governed the backward, neglected territory from the 16th century until the British drove them out during World War I) and then once again by the Jews in 1948. None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own... EXCEPT the Jews!

It must be noted that in 636 C.E., when the Arabs marauders came to the land and uprooted even more of its Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there... and certainly not a "Palestinian" nation. They were simply "Arabs" who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called "Palestine!" And remember this one fact... it was not the Jews who "usurped" (a favorite word from the Arab propagandists) the land from the Arabs. If anything, it was the Arabs in 636 C.E. who overran and stole it from the Jews! "


123 posted on 08/06/2005 12:55:59 PM PDT by Ma3lst0rm (The act of being a liberal is the rejection of reality for the sake of wishful thinking.)
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To: SJackson

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124 posted on 08/06/2005 5:00:07 PM PDT by Revelation 5 (God bless George W Bush)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Archaeology is proving that the pages of the Bible are true and worthy of belief; the writers were inspired by the Lord G-d to record these truths for our edification, teaching and righteousness.


125 posted on 08/06/2005 5:05:34 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: lilylangtree

For a very excellent historical on Israel and the Jewish people go to www.deprogramprogram.com and listen to Sha'i ben Tekoa. I consider it the University of DPP. I am an avid listener not a spammer.


126 posted on 08/06/2005 5:06:43 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: golch1979
So, I guess my position should be based on the Bible and not on any fundamental rights Israelis have today? Tell me, I'm confused.

You sure are--just like everyone else who thinks that "fundamental rights" exist independently of the Biblical G-d. So where do the come from? That mythical "social contract" that Locke and Jefferson and all those "18th century" rationalists were so fond of pretending existed (even though they knew it didn't)?

I'm afraid that the notion of rights divorced from ultimate meaning is not at all "self-evident," whatever the Declaration of Independence says.

127 posted on 08/06/2005 7:33:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ('Ani hagever ra'ah `oni besheivet `evrato.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
That's your opinion. I've heard all the first truths arguments from Hadley Arkes on down. Whether you think these fundamental rights descend from a higher power or not is not really relevant. From your perspective it has to come from a Biblical G-d. From my perspective it comes with the inherent dignity of being a human being. Once you prescribe to the notion that these fundamental rights come from a Biblical perspective then you have nuts like muslims laying claim to their notion of rights from their god. That doesn't work. We're right and they're not. I don't want to have a war of religions. As wrong as their religion is they can still rely on it if it's a contest. We are human beings, the dignity in that is enough.
128 posted on 08/07/2005 1:01:00 AM PDT by golch1979 ("Captain Sobol, we solute the rank, not the man.")
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To: golch1979
That's your opinion. I've heard all the first truths arguments from Hadley Arkes on down. Whether you think these fundamental rights descend from a higher power or not is not really relevant. From your perspective it has to come from a Biblical G-d. From my perspective it comes with the inherent dignity of being a human being. Once you prescribe to the notion that these fundamental rights come from a Biblical perspective then you have nuts like muslims laying claim to their notion of rights from their god. That doesn't work. We're right and they're not. I don't want to have a war of religions. As wrong as their religion is they can still rely on it if it's a contest. We are human beings, the dignity in that is enough.

Translation: human rights and dignity don't really exist, so we create a subjective social construct that pretends they do. That being the case, you really have no argument against any dictator or ideology that denies these, since he can create a different social construct.

The idea that the existence of more than one religion makes it impossible to determine which one of them is the authentic one is a cop out. Besides, everyone acknowledges that the Jewish religion "used to be" true. It's only when people start arguing about what "replaced" it that we run into trouble.

129 posted on 08/07/2005 7:01:04 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ('Ani hagever ra'ah `oni besheivet `evrato.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
You miss the point as do all who say that human dignity comes from G-d. Human dignity and rights do exist. They are innate as a function of our existence. These are UNIVERSAL for everyone. It is a nice little fiction to say that they come from G-d. It validates one's religion. Once religion gets involved then, depending on the religion, the dignity and rights can become relative. It's fine and well when we have religions that bestow rights and dignities that are fair and true, but what about religions that don't?

Isn't religion the subjective social construct? Can't religions, just like a dictator, create different standards based on the religious leaders' whims?
130 posted on 08/07/2005 10:42:25 AM PDT by golch1979 ("Captain Sobol, we solute the rank, not the man.")
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To: West Coast Conservative

Excellent! Thank you...

Reagan80


131 posted on 08/07/2005 8:36:20 PM PDT by Reagan80 ("Government is not the solution to our problems, Government IS the problem." -RR; 1980 Inaugural)
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To: mad_as_he$$
There was a prediction that the Ark would be found in August 2005.

Ark of the Covenant or Ark of the Deluge?

132 posted on 08/08/2005 9:07:18 AM PDT by night reader (NRA Life Member since 1962)
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To: night reader

Covenant, I believe next week.


133 posted on 08/08/2005 5:38:28 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: Siena Dreaming

Nope. Real, up front and personal.


134 posted on 08/11/2005 11:14:56 AM PDT by freepertoo
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