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Evolutionists retreating from the arena of science
CMI ^ | December 1, 2009 | Dave Woetzel

Posted on 12/03/2009 8:35:52 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Evolutionists retreating from the arena of science

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Today, the Darwinian scientific consensus persists within almost every large university and governmental institution. But around the middle of the 20th century an interesting new trend emerged and has since become increasingly established. Evolutionary theorists have been forced, step by step, to steadily retreat from the evidence in the field. Some of the evidences mentioned earlier in this article were demonstrated to be frauds and hoaxes. Other discoveries have been a blow to the straightforward expectations and predictions of evolutionists. Increasingly, they have been forced to tack ad hoc mechanisms onto Darwin’s theory to accomodate the evidence. Their retreat to unfalsifiable positions is now evident in every arena where they once triumphed. Let us examine how Darwinian theorists have moved from concrete predictions and scientifically observable supporting evidences to metaphysical positions in several key fields of research...

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To: GodGunsGuts

Then it should be easy for you to explain why we find no trilobites above the Permian strata, and why we find no dinosaurs above the cretaceous strata, or no mammals in the Cambrian strata?


41 posted on 12/03/2009 10:17:42 AM PST by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: scottdeus12

tens of thousands of published papers, and you have what.. a half dozen chapters at the beginning of the bible?

You also believe Ezekiel was entertaining Aliens for dinner?


42 posted on 12/03/2009 10:18:41 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: canuck_conservative; rae4palin
If you got a problem with Evolution, blame God for proving us with so much evidence that backs it up.

That's a real issue with evolutionists. They like to blame God too much. They think that they know better than Him.

Is it God's fault that men misinterpret the world around them?

43 posted on 12/03/2009 10:18:52 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Why.. this must mean that the Earth is 6000 years old
and that dinosaurs rode on the Ark! Shazzam!


44 posted on 12/03/2009 10:20:36 AM PST by humblegunner (™)
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To: metmom; CommerceComet

It did go the way of Alchemy... you just refuse to read the memo...


45 posted on 12/03/2009 10:20:50 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

“You also believe Ezekiel was entertaining Aliens for dinner?.”

No, and thanks for validating my point.


46 posted on 12/03/2009 10:21:43 AM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Evolutionists retreating from the arena of science

By definition.

47 posted on 12/03/2009 10:22:28 AM PST by DungeonMaster (camel, eye of a needle; rich man, heaven)
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To: metmom

No, it’s man’s fault that people like you believe in such a small god.


48 posted on 12/03/2009 10:22:31 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


49 posted on 12/03/2009 10:24:21 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: scottdeus12
I recently chatted with the “Creator”. The entity explained that it created the Universe by defining the physical forces. The Entity had done 5, before that didn't work out. Number 6 was OK, but only lasted 6 Billion years.

Ours is number 7, and the entity had adjusted the weak and strong force such that water would expand when frozen, and that did the trick.

The Creator is working on no. seven now.

50 posted on 12/03/2009 10:25:21 AM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: xcamel
No.. GGG has stated unequivocally that genesis requires and absolute 24 hour day literal interpretation. One can’t have it both ways.

Of course, you can. Those are two separate texts. It is not inconsistent to read them in different manners if one text is intended to be read literally and the other figuratively. The Bible is composed of books of several different literary styles each of which should be read as it is intended to be read.

Just because someone believes that the Genesis is to be read literally doesn't require that they believe that all of Daniel, Ezekiel, Revelation, etc. is to be read literally, as well.

51 posted on 12/03/2009 10:25:51 AM PST by CommerceComet
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To: metmom; xcamel

As an LGF liberal, xcamel is offended by conservative Christians employing an historical-grammatical hermeneutic to determine original intent in the Bible.


52 posted on 12/03/2009 10:26:05 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Tao Yin
I think you may have the wrong idea of the Creas and Evos; do you think that most Creas believe that since God made it that settles it? And do you think that most Evos believe that Evolution is ongoing?
53 posted on 12/03/2009 10:27:01 AM PST by celmak
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To: Behemoth the Cat; BenKenobi
"How does speciation explain ‘drug resistance’?

More specifically, natural selection. Populations of microorganisms are not uniform. There is always some spectrum of properties. For example, certain virions of HIV may have a mutated protease. A lucky mutation (lucky for from the point of view of the virus, of course) makes a drug molecule incompatible with the receptor. Other viruses do not proliferate, but the lucky one does and starts a new population, passing on the favorable mutation. The effect of this mutation may be then amplified by subsequent mutations/natural selection.

But the question wasn't about natural selection. It was about speciation.

I don't see that any creationists deny variation within species or natural selection. The folks at AiG and CRI don't, which you'd know if you ever bothered to read what they have to say.

The issue most creationists have with evolution is that enough change is possible to create entirely new species. The kinds of major changes that evolutionists insist occurred to get from bacteria, to trilobites, to dinosaurs, to birds and mammals.

That includes major changes in the number of chromosomes in many cases, and I have yet to be informed of any changes in the number of chromosomes which has not had a deleterious effect on the individual in which it occurs.

54 posted on 12/03/2009 10:27:17 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
This is "defending religious freedom"?

Looks like "attacking and lying about science" with falsehoods to me.

Example:

Evolutionists have shown little interest in precise population genetics modelling.

BS...those that are Population Geneticists/Biologists that have spent their entire lives doing just that would disagree.

Calling every scientist out there an "evolutionist" so you can claim "See, evolutionists say (fill in the blank)"....is nothing more than intellectual dishonesty. Sorry, math-theorists, physicists, electrical engineers...these are not "evolutionists."

There's a reason why creationists cling to Haldane's dilemma, while the rest of the world has already shown his calculatino to be false....hint...the calculation contains invalid assumptions and limits.

Nothing more than an irrational dismissal of many fields of science.

55 posted on 12/03/2009 10:30:21 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: xcamel

It has worked perfectly for all of God’s children since the day he created us.

As for the rest, they are irrelevant, are they not?


56 posted on 12/03/2009 10:33:19 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: metmom
"But the question wasn't about natural selection. It was about speciation."

It's your problem, not mine. I stated that evolutionary biology explains drug resistance. Natural selection - a key concept in evolutionary biology, is the mechanism of developing such resistance.

I take responsibility for what I actually write, not for what you guys want me to write to come up with some lame 'gotcha'.

57 posted on 12/03/2009 10:37:02 AM PST by Behemoth the Cat
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To: metmom
Is it God's fault that men misinterpret the world around them?

Who says the evolutionists are doing the misinterpreting?

What if God placed all this evolutionary evidence here for us to figure out? A test, as it were, to see if we could use the marvelous gift of intelligence he gave to us humans and no other animal?

Yet creationists, by rejecting this gift, are in fact spitting in his face? What if that is the reality?
58 posted on 12/03/2009 10:39:03 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

ROTFLOL!!!!!


59 posted on 12/03/2009 10:42:50 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: smallelmike

Great question. It’s the MSM of course, or the Marxists in the universities.


60 posted on 12/03/2009 10:50:35 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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