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Evolutionists retreating from the arena of science
CMI ^ | December 1, 2009 | Dave Woetzel

Posted on 12/03/2009 8:35:52 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Evolutionists retreating from the arena of science

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Today, the Darwinian scientific consensus persists within almost every large university and governmental institution. But around the middle of the 20th century an interesting new trend emerged and has since become increasingly established. Evolutionary theorists have been forced, step by step, to steadily retreat from the evidence in the field. Some of the evidences mentioned earlier in this article were demonstrated to be frauds and hoaxes. Other discoveries have been a blow to the straightforward expectations and predictions of evolutionists. Increasingly, they have been forced to tack ad hoc mechanisms onto Darwin’s theory to accomodate the evidence. Their retreat to unfalsifiable positions is now evident in every arena where they once triumphed. Let us examine how Darwinian theorists have moved from concrete predictions and scientifically observable supporting evidences to metaphysical positions in several key fields of research...

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1 posted on 12/03/2009 8:35:53 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Reposted with the correct link...sorry about that—GGG


2 posted on 12/03/2009 8:37:07 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

If you’re gonna keep posting your creationist propaganda, please provide back-up proof from an unbiased outlet.

Every one of your articles comes from the Creation Research Institute or some some similar one-sided source.

Never is there independent confirmation from unbiased sources. And CRI, et al, usually follow the same approach as the Climate-Gate “scientists”, dismissing any evidence that contradicts “creationism” (like “radiocarbon dating is all a conspiracy”). Give us a break.

If you want to ignore the overwhelming evidence in support of the evolution theory, fine. But don’t pretend you’re following any sort of scientific approach.

And supporting evolution has NOTHING to do with quashing religious freedoms.


3 posted on 12/03/2009 8:50:30 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative
And supporting evolution has NOTHING to do with quashing religious freedoms.

I agree with this statement.
4 posted on 12/03/2009 8:55:57 AM PST by IronKros (Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition. ~Adam Smith, The Wealth)
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To: GodGunsGuts
So.. tell us all if you also believe that a seven headed beast with 10 horns will rise from the ocean to destroy the earth... It is ‘literal’ after all.... isn’t it?
5 posted on 12/03/2009 9:00:37 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: canuck_conservative

If you don’t like it; you don’t have to read it. You post adds nothing whatsoever to anything. I can’t imagine why those who’ve bought into the Evolution propaganda would even care to look at something like this.


6 posted on 12/03/2009 9:01:17 AM PST by glide625
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To: canuck_conservative
Because their faith is far too weak to believe that God’s vision of the universe is much larger and more complex then their small, petty, and bigoted minds.
7 posted on 12/03/2009 9:01:49 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: canuck_conservative

What would you consider an unbiased outlet?


8 posted on 12/03/2009 9:02:39 AM PST by smallelmike
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To: GodGunsGuts

You know, GGG, the evos who want this subject isolated to the religion section may have a point. Darwinism is increasingly being exposed as a religion.


9 posted on 12/03/2009 9:02:49 AM PST by rae4palin
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To: canuck_conservative
And supporting evolution has NOTHING to do with quashing religious freedoms.

Sure it does. From eradicating it from public schools to demanding that any non-pro-evolution thread on FR be placed in the Religion Forum because every attack on the ToE is a *religious* attack, the whole MO of evolutionists is an attack on religion.

Evolution is the best weapon the atheists have come across in their assault on religion and it has been widely and gleefully used even by those who claim religious beliefs.

It's only the religious beliefs that support evolution that are acceptable to many. Religious beliefs that accept creation are mocked, ridiculed, maligned, and regulated.

You need to get with the program.

10 posted on 12/03/2009 9:04:03 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: canuck_conservative
If you’re gonna keep posting your creationist propaganda, please provide back-up proof from an unbiased outlet.

Every article at the links he provides cites many sources for its information. They are well referenced articles. But if you've never bothered to read them, of course you wouldn't know that.

Every one of your articles comes from the Creation Research Institute or some some similar one-sided source.

And TalkOrigins is what? Not biased? Not one-sided? Evos don't provide unbiased sources because there's no dissent allowed. Unbiased evo sources just don't exist.

11 posted on 12/03/2009 9:07:05 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: canuck_conservative; GodGunsGuts
"If you want to ignore the overwhelming evidence in support of the evolution theory, fine"

And that 'evidence' would be? - Exactly, there isn't a shred of physical evidence; just plaster carvings that illustrate what has been imagined out of minute fragments of bone and teeth, and sketches of imagined creatures that never existed, or fraudulent conceptions of embryonic development.

If there were even one single piece of physical evidence, you can be sure that its photo would be plastered by law on every billboard on Earth.

12 posted on 12/03/2009 9:08:02 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: glide625

Only to attack religious thought.

It’s the ONLY thing they bring anymore.


13 posted on 12/03/2009 9:08:45 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

So.. what’s your take on “SpongeBob Antichrist” (post 5)

You seem so stuck on the literal interpretation of things...


14 posted on 12/03/2009 9:11:32 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: canuck_conservative
"Evolutionary theorists have been forced, step by step, to steadily retreat from the evidence in the field."

No, they haven't.

"Increasingly, they have been forced to tack ad hoc mechanisms onto Darwin’s theory to accomodate (sic) the evidence."

No, they haven't.

Evolution as the origin of species hasn't been defeated.

Natural selection as the driving force of evolution hasn't been defeated either.

As more information comes in from the fields of geology, paleontology, and biology, the mechanisms of speciation become clearer, but the basic theory hasn't been challenged in any factual, logical way. Besides, "evidence" is a non-count noun. I think the writer meant examples or research.

15 posted on 12/03/2009 9:13:37 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: canuck_conservative

LOL...What would you consider an “unbiased source”?


16 posted on 12/03/2009 9:17:08 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I agree that evolutionists and creationists have different world views. I agree with the creationist world view: man was created special by God.

But I do not believe that evolutionists will continue to retreat from the hard sciences. Until a new idea or paradigm emerges, what is there to test? How do you know what to look for?

To think that God will stand naked before believer and unbeliever alike is foolishness. God’s works remain hidden, a mystery. What need is there for faith when belief is backed up by science?

To claim victory when science stumbles is to be ignorant. Science will emerge with another idea, another hypothesis. Of course the next idea will be wrong also. Just as it will be wrong when creationists again claim victory.

Of course God did it, but what disguise did he use? Why does gravity work? Because God makes it so. How does that help us understand gravity? God created a rational world. It is a world we can understand.

If we could use the earth below to scientifically determine the age of the world, then we could study the sky above to determine the age of the universe. But since we can see light that is millions of years old, why would we believe we could study anything in the universe and find the fingerprints of God?


17 posted on 12/03/2009 9:20:21 AM PST by Tao Yin
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To: metmom

And we’ve recently discovered another “religious” truth haven’t we; that the Global Warming myth is all part and parcel of, if not in itself, a religious philosophy of it’s own.


18 posted on 12/03/2009 9:23:31 AM PST by glide625
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To: rae4palin

It is a religion. And it is a religion that requires absolute blind faith in the ability of mindless natural processes to create super-sophisticated technology that far surpasses human creative capacities. For some reason, some people have a need to believe that “change over time” explains that which can only be explained by a vastly superior intelligence.


19 posted on 12/03/2009 9:27:54 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: glide625

No.. ‘creationism’ is a cult sect that exists outside of true Christianity, with a bunch of ignorants happily skipping straight down the road to hell.

AGW has nothing to do with it.


20 posted on 12/03/2009 9:29:02 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel
So.. tell us all if you also believe that a seven headed beast with 10 horns will rise from the ocean to destroy the earth... It is ‘literal’ after all.... isn’t it?

I really don't have a dog in this fight but your argument is a strawman. Proponents of the particular views on the Genesis account (24-hour-days vs. epochs) would insist that they are reading Scripture naturally (as it was intended to be read) as opposed to literally. The dispute comes down to what Moses meant by "days" in the Genesis account. Both sides would recognize that the seven-headed beast with 10 horns is figurative language.

21 posted on 12/03/2009 9:30:36 AM PST by CommerceComet
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To: rae4palin
Darwinism is increasingly being exposed as a religion.

Nope. Evolution is the product of examining all the evidence (and there is a LOT) and finding an idea which can explain it. BTW, there were other theories before Evolution (e.g., Lamarckism), but they didn't explain all the facts, so they were rejected. That's how real science works.

Creationism means going in, looking for a pre-determined outcome ("evolution is a fraud") and cherry-picking evidence to support it, while rejecting out-of-hand anything which might deny that pre-determined result.

IOW, the same approach as those climate scientists. That's way everyone is so outraged about Climate-gate!!!

If you got a problem with Evolution, blame God for proving us with so much evidence that backs it up.


22 posted on 12/03/2009 9:32:46 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: editor-surveyor; canuck_conservative

You took the words right out of my mouth, E-S. Everytime the evos try to present evdidence, the Creationists and IDers easily knock it down and demonstrate why design is the far superior interpretation. That is one of the main reasons why the evos are retreating from science, as the title of this post suggests.


23 posted on 12/03/2009 9:34:01 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
You must be joking. Evolutionary biology is a key for understanding a host of phenomena, with quite substantial practical significance. E.g. drug resistance.

As a side note, I want to make the following observation. There are many scientists who do not subscribe to the Leftist set of beliefs. Some of these beliefs are actually anti-scientific (e.g. anthropogenic global warming). Being bundled (as conservatives) with 'creation science' charlatans deprives us of some credibility, necessary to debunk the Left's myths. This makes fighting the uphill battle against the liberal media even more difficult.

24 posted on 12/03/2009 9:41:41 AM PST by Behemoth the Cat
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To: GodGunsGuts

Regarding the keywords - one of your allies added keywords such as ‘darwinliedpeopledied’ first - so I can’t blame evos for returning keyword fire here.


25 posted on 12/03/2009 9:46:45 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: CommerceComet

No.. GGG has stated unequivocally that genesis requires and absolute 24 hour day literal interpretation.

One can’t have it both ways.


26 posted on 12/03/2009 9:47:46 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts; canuck_conservative

Please let us know when that happens outside your little world of delusion... As of yet, it never has.


27 posted on 12/03/2009 9:49:56 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: editor-surveyor

How’s that whole ‘geocentric universe’ thing working out for you?


28 posted on 12/03/2009 9:51:20 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Admin Moderator

How about the mods telling both sides to refrain from demeaning keywords. That should solve the problem. How does that sound?


29 posted on 12/03/2009 9:54:37 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: canuck_conservative
Creationism means going in, looking for a pre-determined outcome ("evolution is a fraud") and cherry-picking evidence to support it, while rejecting out-of-hand anything which might deny that pre-determined result.

IOW, the same approach as those climate scientists. That's [why] everyone is so outraged about Climate-gate!!!

If you got a problem with Evolution, blame God for proving us with so much evidence that backs it up.

I really dislike getting enmeshed in these rancorous threads, but the venomous conclusion, supra, is as convincing if it had been written as:

Evolutionism means going in, looking for a pre-determined outcome ("intelligent design is a fraud") and cherry-picking evidence to support it, while rejecting out-of-hand anything which might deny that pre-determined result.

IOW, the same approach as those climate scientists. That's [why] everyone is so outraged about Climate-gate!!!

If you got a problem with Intelligent Design, blame God for proving us with so much evidence that backs it up.

30 posted on 12/03/2009 9:56:57 AM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: xcamel

“You must be joking. Evolutionary biology is a key for understanding a host of phenomena, with quite substantial practical significance. E.g. drug resistance.”

How does speciation explain ‘drug resistance’?


31 posted on 12/03/2009 9:59:51 AM PST by BenKenobi
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To: GodGunsGuts
LOL!

From the same guy who wrote this,

Today, due to the modern evolutionary belief that no dinosaurs survived beyond the so-called Cretaceous (an alleged 65 million years ago), most people disregard all of this evidence as mere myths and legends, while ignoring the clear teaching of the Bible.

32 posted on 12/03/2009 10:06:07 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: VanShuyten

Man, are you so very wrong.

Evolution is just as big a scientific scam as AGW. The only difference is that its believers never found a way to tie it to political policies that aim to destroy civilization and, oh by the way, massively redistribute wealth.


33 posted on 12/03/2009 10:07:22 AM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: Behemoth the Cat

==Evolutionary biology is a key for understanding a host of phenomena, with quite substantial practical significance. E.g. drug resistance.

OK, I’ll bite. Please explain why neo-Darwinian evolution is the best explanation for drug resistance.


34 posted on 12/03/2009 10:08:48 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: xcamel; GodGunsGuts

Only to someone who has no reading comprehension, like you.


35 posted on 12/03/2009 10:09:20 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Wow.

I think I agree with almost everything you stated in your post.

But again I remind you that almost all biologists are still Christians in this country.


36 posted on 12/03/2009 10:11:56 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: GodGunsGuts

“That is one of the main reasons why the evos are retreating from science....”

And it makes them act like juveniles. Much like the hit-and-run posters on these threads.....no evidence to support any theories, just ad hominem attacks...remarkable.


37 posted on 12/03/2009 10:12:57 AM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: metmom; All

Can’t or won’t answer the question?

Nephilim got your tongue?


38 posted on 12/03/2009 10:13:02 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: CommerceComet

Thank you for trying, but it’s falling on deaf ears.

One of the biggest lies going purported by the evolutionists is that since creationists believe that the Genesis account is real and true, that creationists then go on to demand that the whole Bible be read *literally* without regard to style or content or context.

Evolutionists then go on to claim that creationists look bad for taking a stand on Biblical literalness that nobody believes.

The only reason creationists *look bad* is because they are being lied about by the evolutionists who wish to discredit Christians in general and creationists in particular.

Nobody would think that anyone demands an completely literal reading of the entire Bible if it weren’t for this evolutionist mythology that they keep spreading.

It’s very revealing that they have to go to such great lengths and lies to discredit creation. You’d think that if evolution were such a slam dunk, that it would stand on its own and creation would go the way of alchemy.


39 posted on 12/03/2009 10:16:17 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: BenKenobi
"How does speciation explain ‘drug resistance’?

More specifically, natural selection. Populations of microorganisms are not uniform. There is always some spectrum of properties. For example, certain virions of HIV may have a mutated protease. A lucky mutation (lucky for from the point of view of the virus, of course) makes a drug molecule incompatible with the receptor. Other viruses do not proliferate, but the lucky one does and starts a new population, passing on the favorable mutation. The effect of this mutation may be then amplified by subsequent mutations/natural selection.

40 posted on 12/03/2009 10:17:11 AM PST by Behemoth the Cat
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To: GodGunsGuts

Then it should be easy for you to explain why we find no trilobites above the Permian strata, and why we find no dinosaurs above the cretaceous strata, or no mammals in the Cambrian strata?


41 posted on 12/03/2009 10:17:42 AM PST by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: scottdeus12

tens of thousands of published papers, and you have what.. a half dozen chapters at the beginning of the bible?

You also believe Ezekiel was entertaining Aliens for dinner?


42 posted on 12/03/2009 10:18:41 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: canuck_conservative; rae4palin
If you got a problem with Evolution, blame God for proving us with so much evidence that backs it up.

That's a real issue with evolutionists. They like to blame God too much. They think that they know better than Him.

Is it God's fault that men misinterpret the world around them?

43 posted on 12/03/2009 10:18:52 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Why.. this must mean that the Earth is 6000 years old
and that dinosaurs rode on the Ark! Shazzam!


44 posted on 12/03/2009 10:20:36 AM PST by humblegunner (™)
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To: metmom; CommerceComet

It did go the way of Alchemy... you just refuse to read the memo...


45 posted on 12/03/2009 10:20:50 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

“You also believe Ezekiel was entertaining Aliens for dinner?.”

No, and thanks for validating my point.


46 posted on 12/03/2009 10:21:43 AM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Evolutionists retreating from the arena of science

By definition.

47 posted on 12/03/2009 10:22:28 AM PST by DungeonMaster (camel, eye of a needle; rich man, heaven)
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To: metmom

No, it’s man’s fault that people like you believe in such a small god.


48 posted on 12/03/2009 10:22:31 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


49 posted on 12/03/2009 10:24:21 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: scottdeus12
I recently chatted with the “Creator”. The entity explained that it created the Universe by defining the physical forces. The Entity had done 5, before that didn't work out. Number 6 was OK, but only lasted 6 Billion years.

Ours is number 7, and the entity had adjusted the weak and strong force such that water would expand when frozen, and that did the trick.

The Creator is working on no. seven now.

50 posted on 12/03/2009 10:25:21 AM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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