Posted on 11/06/2009 9:39:16 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
Why Evolutionary-Based Science Is A Menace To Scientific Research, Discovery, and Progress
Evolutionary-based research always begins with the inaccurate and unscientific presupposition that the Theory of Evolution, i.e. the Big Bang, the spontaneous generation of life, and common descent, is true.
Due to this systemic problem, scientific discovery and progress is severely hampered, not to mention the hundreds of millions of research dollars that are squandered every year.
In a time in which almost ANY alternative thought is given a platform, the evolution industry is silencing dissenting scientific evidence, even when it’s from fellow evolutionists!
See the growing list of dissenters and read the case histories of how the evolution industry is hopelessly locked in a battle with the Truth...
(Excerpt) Read more at whoisyourcreator.com ...
Look, even the evos are abandoning the HMS Beagle in droves...and for good reason, the Temple of Darwin is crumbling on all sides!
Creation science discoveries that have led to any medicines, products or services? Oh wait thats right you guys don’t have any. Thanks for pointing out how bad we are doing though.
http://www.4brevard.com/choice/international-test-scores.htm
It is a test given to ALL 30 of the industrialized countries. The U.S, is ALWAYS at the bottom for YEARS.
It is because “evolution” is NOT SCIENCE.
Evolution is PROPAGANDA that bears NO EVIDENCE OF TRUTH.
Truth doesn't EVOLVE
AND CONTRADICT itself
as EVOLUTION ALWAYS DOES.
[What is more, the big bang theory can boast of no quantitative predictions that have subsequently been validated by observation. The successes claimed by the theory’s supporters consist of its ability to retrospectively fit observations with a steadily increasing array of adjustable parameters, just as the old Earth-centered cosmology of Ptolemy needed layer upon layer of epicycles.]
This is blatantly false. The Big Bang theory makes a great many predictions that are supported by Quantum ElectroDynamic theory (QED) and vice versa. QED is known by physicists to be the most successful (the most reliable and the most robust) theory in the history of science.
Whoever is writing this stuff doesn’t know the first thing about science.
LOL!
If these scientists views are being repressed, how does anyone what they are?
Did Ben Stein author this hit piece?
But now that you mention it, can you name any scientific discoveries that led to any medicines, products or services that could not have been discovered without the so-called “theory” of evolution?
Evolution tends to ignore the development of variables beyond our control. The whole of science is also based importantly on learning to take in the development of unknown factors that can occur during the scientific process.
And those predictions would be?
Let’s start with the Vaccine. Works on strains of a virus, until the virus changes magically by the will of god, then somehow the scientists pray until the truth is revealed and by divine inspiration they craft a new vaccine which works until God’s will dictates that the virus change in a totally mysterious manner that is so complicated we will never understand it and shouldn’t bother asking about.
Oh no wait excuse me too much time on these threads... in the real world scientists, real ones you know who do science in labs and not endless blog posts, actually use a knowledge of heredity natural selection and DNA/RNA to come up with the correct version of a vaccine saving millions upon millions of lives.
By the way I am well aware of the fact many scholars were, some still are, biblical creationists. Gregor Mendel was a priest! Someone’s personal views are fine as what they are, but you can’t say that those views haven’t been supplanted by more effective methods. Our military doesn’t ask the pope to bless their planes... we just use modern science to build stealthy and armored planes.
Yet those other countries also teach evolution, so that can't be it.
However, among those countries we are the only one with a large, effective religious movement in opposition to evolution. Maybe that's it.
“It is a test given to ALL 30 of the industrialized countries. The U.S, is ALWAYS at the bottom for YEARS.
It is because “evolution” is NOT SCIENCE.”
—Huh? Do you actually think the countries ahead of us teach *less* evolutionary theory? (That would be pretty hard to do)
Or do you think they teach something different?
Just one example of many: Big Bang theory accurately predicts the relative abundance of the elements hydrogen and helium. Evidence for this is obtained at the high energies achieved in particle accelerators such as Fermilab. I saw such experiments first hand when I took some physics classes there in the 1980’s.
Google “Quantum Electrodynamics” to find more examples.
And the best, like Newton, were able to separate their beliefs from the science. He didn't know what was causing the orbital precession of Mercury, but refused to give "God's doing it" as an explanation. He didn't know what the "action at a distance" was that he was observing, but also refused to give a supernatural explanation. It would have been interesting had he delved into the history of life on Earth.
==Oh no wait excuse me too much time on these threads... in the real world scientists, real ones you know who do science in labs and not endless blog posts, actually use a knowledge of heredity natural selection and DNA/RNA to come up with the correct version of a vaccine saving millions upon millions of lives.
You have yet to show why the “theory” of evolution is indespensable to the production of vaccines. First, it was a creation scientist, not Charles Darwin, who discovered natural selection. Heredity, as you rightly point out, was discovered by a Catholic priest who, I might add, rejected continuous evolution based on the genetic limits to variation he witnessed over and over in the lab. And let’s not forget the neo-Darwinian reductionist beads-on-a-string notion of genetics is being completely overturned by the new biology. So again, how exactly does vaccine production depend on the so-called “theory” of evolution?
don’t mention Mendel (pea pod selection and inheritance) was a monk...
pingtastic
PS Just out of curiosity, do you know which scientist the French government honoured with its highest award, the Legion of Honour, in part for his cutting edge research on vaccination—and who also happened to be a vocal opponant of Darwin’s “theory” of evolution, all the while proclaiming ‘The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator’???
The theory of evolution is a mix of the Darwinian idea of natural selection, survival of the fittest, and Mendel’s heredity, the function of passing along traits to the next generation. Combine those two ideas with the discover of DNA it shows how information on how to make the organism is stored, variations created randomly by error of copying mechanisms, the worst members do not get to reproduce while the others get to pass on their information (in the form of DNA) to the next generation. Rinse and repeat.
Using an understanding of this cycle scientist know that viral agents will change in the body and to track these changes DNA must be sequenced and analyzed and the vaccines updated and given out to people to save lives.
May I ask you to attempt to explain to me how creation science produces medicine? When you get sick do you go only to church (or mosque, you know those guys are also creationist)? Do you just pray really really hard or do you also use evolution based medicines? How do the virus mutate if not randomly? God does it? How do they select for survival of certain traits? God does that also? Do we as humans even need to learn anything or try to figure our the world or do we just wait on God to make it so?
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/
into your favorite websites list.
I see... so what we do here in the labs is called operational science? It uses the scientific method and that is what makes all the modern medicines? OK. What is done in our labs actually makes the medicines? That we seem to agree on.
Then you say that the Creation/ID and Evolutionists are separate things that are more akin to the underlying philosophy of science? Ok then GGG (btw do you prefer GGG or GodGunsGuts?), consider me an operational scientist.
I lean towards the evolutionist in only that there is much much more evidence for that deep past story. Someone finds me some evidence of a great super flood or Noah’s ark or can actually get God to come down and tell us how he just made the world in six days I’ll surely take that story more seriously. Right now it has way more holes than the Evo side. You know... like how women came from the rib of man. I don’t really see how that has evidence. Not totally sold on anything, I have an open mind, I’m just saying that one side philosophical side has more evidence.
Evolution Theoory discoveries that have led to medicines, products, or services? Crickets
Creation science does not produce medicine. Medicine is produced by humans, using the intelligence (On loan from God) given us, to modify or adapt life forms given to us to have dominion over.
When you get sick do you go only to church (or mosque, you know those guys are also creationist)? Do you just pray really really hard or do you also use evolution based medicines?
Evolution based medicines? You mean perhaps virii or bacterial produced substances that are medicinal in value? EVOLUTION is NOT Adaptation. NOPE, NOT, NEVER. At the end of the day, that virus is still (surprise!) a virus. It adapted, it did not EVOLVE into a higher form.
How do the virus mutate if not randomly? God does it? How do they select for survival of certain traits? God does that also?
Perhaps a little time in a basic genetics course would answer those questions for you.
Do we as humans even need to learn anything or try to figure our the world or do we just wait on God to make it so?
In your case, perhaps I would go with trying to learn.
“Creation science does not produce medicine.”
True. Using the scientific method with evolution as the dominant theory has produced and continues to produce medicines for people.
“EVOLUTION is NOT Adaptation. “
Changes in time of a species DNA and therefore its traits is part of the modern understanding of evolution. Put a species of bacteria up against an antibiotic some will live and be resistant their offspring retain this adaptation. I don’t know what you call that but scientists agree that this is part of the current definition of evolution.
These changes add up over time creating a wide variety in lifeforms.
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Or I could just believe everything living was put here the way it is now in a day, including fossils of older lifeforms that are no longer present for no reason because God(or an ID) didn’t tell me why. Creation science hasn’t even given us a narrative other than God (or an ID) did it. How? What? When? Where? Why? More importantly how do I use that information to predict changes in the future and influence future events?
People use evolution to anticipate changes in the seasonal flu and attempt to adapt the vaccine to anticipate the most prevalent strains. Tracking genetic changes overtime in a life form that are naturally selected, the modern theory of evolution, is used with the scientific method to make the vaccine.
But who knows, maybe Pasteur's assistant had an unevolved memory or it was the Darwinds that blew into Fleming's lab.
How about an example ?
Last time I asked about this, you couldn't come up with one.
Remember, those nasty darwinists who were supressing a meeting ?
Sounds like the victim card to me.
Evolution says that an animal today (Whale for instance) changed from a completely different animal. Some land based hippo perhaps, now it is a whale.
A common dog ancestor, created, has been bred (adapted, not Evolved) into hundreds of breeds today. ALL are still dogs. None are now cats.
A species of crab in Japan have adapted a carapace that looks like a human face, as locals would throw them back. Now almost all have this trait. ALL are still crabs. None are now jellyfish.
If there was a gradual change from one form of animal to another, with the plentitude of fossils, where are those remains?
How? Why? ALl those questions, you’ll have the opportunity to ask one day, hopefully, I pray, not just before you hear “Depart from me, I never knew you.”
How do you use that idea that evolution is a non-starter? It lets you know that your cats later generations will not be armadillos. How will the Fact of Adaptation help you? In all the ways it has so far and so many more.
Do any of the countries that scored better than we did not teach evolution, or teach creation doctrine as science?
Here, I hope, is a Hot Link to the Creationist rebuttal site ....
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/
Based on the web site this spam is from, why isn’t in religion instead of news?
The relative abundance of hydrogen/helium was well known before the Big Bang theory was formulated so how is predicting that which is already known meaningful? And it didn’t require a particle accelerator to find this out.
Still looking for YEC geologist who can tell me where we should put a nuclear waste storage facility, and why there and not somewhere else.
The examples are so numerous, whole books have been written about it. Here are some case studies from the website of one of the books written about the persecution and silencing of Creation/ID scientists:
http://www.slaughterofthedissidents.com/index.php?p=20case_studies
And there a plenty of examples of jackbooted Darwinists trying to disrupt and/or cancel Creation/ID conferences.
The first article (below) goes to the mindset of the Temple of Darwin fanatics, followed by a few recent examples illustrating how their fascist mindset translates into actions:
In Oklahoma, Darwinist Choir Sings the Praises of Suppression and Censorship
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/09/its_funny_how_a_little.html
Darwinists Launch Cyber Attack Against Intelligent Design Website
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/10/darwinists_launch_cyber_attack.html
Los Angeles Premiere of Intelligent Design Film Moves to USC on Oct. 25th at 7pm
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/10/los_angeles_premiere_of_intell.html
And here I was getting ready to write a long response to what could have been summed up in a sentence!
“Do any of the countries that scored better than we did not teach evolution, or teach creation doctrine as science? “
They teach STRAIGHT SCIENCE.
They do not dwell on millions of years. They’ll say, “many years ago” and FOCUS ON THE SCIENCE.
It is the UNITED STATES that focuses on MILLIONS OF YEARS and DARWING. The Pacific Rim focuses on SCIENCE.
NO, they don't! Check out Singapore Science and their Science curriculum. That's what we are using for SCIENCE. It does NOT dwell on AGE and DARWIN as the U.S. DOES.
“However, among those countries we are the only one with a large, effective religious movement in opposition to evolution. Maybe that's it. “
No, Science is NOT about “religion”. NO religion is discussed in the other curriculmns or Singapore Science that WE USE. Is it not a “religious” argument. It's all ABOUT DARWIN in the U.S.. Science is Science.
If the facts in those articles are true, you’ve made a good case for suppression being real.
If folks don’t like what’s being said, they should refute it, not suppress it.
I'd like a source for that, please.
Many years is the loophole the YECs use so they don’t hate the IDers.
They can use it if they want. Saying someone else uses it if that’s not actually the case is a different matter.
"The public schools lack focus; instead of concentrating on education, they dabble in social re-engineering"
Wanting to follow a religious agenda instead of teaching science. The goal of the ID movement is admittedly a larger social change.
Among teachers of high school biology and life sciences classes, approximately 31 percent of them do not have at least a minor in biology.
And thus more susceptible to the pseudoscience crap they heard in church instead of knowing the real science of biology.
No, Science is NOT about “religion”
You are correct. Now if only we could get the IDers to quit trying to put religion into the science curriculum.
It is because “evolution” is NOT SCIENCE. the US is the only one where it is PC to pretend that "creation-delugism" has any connexion to reality.
They have PR
“Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help! I'm being repressed!”
I ask people who believe in evolution to consider that they too may have been brainwashed by an education system that pushes out big lies and suppresses truth. Could not you also be a victim of their lying apparatus? If you were in school today would you now believe in global warming and minimally have at least leanings toward the left?
It is also obvious that underneath it all is a spiritual battle. What could ultimately be accomplished by turning our youth into evolution believing, leftist global warming believing, globalist? Satan wants souls and those that are his want you to become his also.
Turn them into global warming fanatics and this belief will cause them to have the earth as their religious center. Believing in "mother earth" which is a tenant of witchcraft will pervade the conscious instead of believing in The Father God Almighty. When you can get them to worship other than God you are damning them from His presence forever.
Cause them to, through their emotional wish to help all people, become leftist and you can take over their every thought. No more freedom to believe what you want. The government will control you and soon Christianity will become a crime punishable by death. The gospel will be suppressed and few will even hear it.
It is even possible that at the core of all of this corruption in our eductional system are actual Satan worshippers. Those that have consciously sold their soul to the devil and know that they are working for him. Don't let them ensnare you into their evil goals because what they really want is your soul.
Just as true as Tawana Brawley being raped.
“It is because the US is the only one where it is PC to pretend that “creation-delugism” has any connexion to reality.”
It’s actually the other way around. The other countries teach SCIENCE not propaganda - EVOLUTION. The other countries teach SCIENCE and let the chips fall where they may. Science in the U.S. is ONLY evolution driven - it defies logic and there is NO evidence to support it. So we suck in Science.
The OTHER countries that beat the pants off the U.S. in SCIENCE and MATH. They don’t dwell on Darwin or shove “new math” at kids.
“Wanting to follow a religious agenda instead of teaching science. The goal of the ID movement is admittedly a larger social change.”
LOL! Aren’t you tired of the worn out line of “religion” as a defense to atheism - evolution? “Religion” has nothing to do with SCIENCE. THe FACTS are that evolution is JUNK SCIENCE. It is unprovable and lacks evidence to support it. The goal of “ID” is to teach SCIENCE! There you go again trying to frame it as “religion”.
“Among teachers of high school biology and life sciences classes, approximately 31 percent of them do not have at least a minor in biology.”
Okay, so you have IGNORANT peole teaching junk science.
“And thus more susceptible to the pseudoscience crap they heard in church instead of knowing the real science of biology.”
All they do is tout propaganda. The test book makers, McGraw Hill, Houghton Miton etc. actually have books written to suit what the schools WANT. So you hav estupid teachers teaching from biased unscientific books.
No, Science is NOT about “religion”
You are correct. Now if only we could get the IDers to quit trying to put religion into the science curriculum.
There you go again! Science is NOT about “religion”. “IDER’s” as you call them want SCIENCE not propaganda and junk Science.
We use Singapore Science. There is no “religion” in there. It is straight SCIENCE. It is the U.S. that is totally preoccuppied with Darwin and others like him. The Pacfic Rim is eating our lunch in both MATH and SCIENCE and you still want to frame the argumant as a “religious” one. How sad! You don’t get it. You are as brainwashed as those you are critical of teaching this crap in high school.
Frankly, you can blame “religion” or whateer you want. My kids are getting REAL SCIENCE.
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