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Why Evolutionary-Based Science Is A Menace To Scientific Research, Discovery, and Progress
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Posted on 11/06/2009 9:39:16 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: GodGunsGuts; All
For those interested in counter arguments to GGG's questionable creationist beliefs, put

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/

into your favorite websites list.

21 posted on 11/06/2009 11:22:06 AM PST by OldNavyVet (The essence of evil lies in the irrational.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I see... so what we do here in the labs is called operational science? It uses the scientific method and that is what makes all the modern medicines? OK. What is done in our labs actually makes the medicines? That we seem to agree on.

Then you say that the Creation/ID and Evolutionists are separate things that are more akin to the underlying philosophy of science? Ok then GGG (btw do you prefer GGG or GodGunsGuts?), consider me an operational scientist.

I lean towards the evolutionist in only that there is much much more evidence for that deep past story. Someone finds me some evidence of a great super flood or Noah’s ark or can actually get God to come down and tell us how he just made the world in six days I’ll surely take that story more seriously. Right now it has way more holes than the Evo side. You know... like how women came from the rib of man. I don’t really see how that has evidence. Not totally sold on anything, I have an open mind, I’m just saying that one side philosophical side has more evidence.


22 posted on 11/06/2009 11:22:42 AM PST by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Evolution Theoory discoveries that have led to medicines, products, or services? Crickets


23 posted on 11/06/2009 11:25:23 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: Eyes Unclouded
May I ask you to attempt to explain to me how creation science produces medicine?

Creation science does not produce medicine. Medicine is produced by humans, using the intelligence (On loan from God) given us, to modify or adapt life forms given to us to have dominion over.

When you get sick do you go only to church (or mosque, you know those guys are also creationist)? Do you just pray really really hard or do you also use evolution based medicines?

Evolution based medicines? You mean perhaps virii or bacterial produced substances that are medicinal in value? EVOLUTION is NOT Adaptation. NOPE, NOT, NEVER. At the end of the day, that virus is still (surprise!) a virus. It adapted, it did not EVOLVE into a higher form.

How do the virus mutate if not randomly? God does it? How do they select for survival of certain traits? God does that also?

Perhaps a little time in a basic genetics course would answer those questions for you.

Do we as humans even need to learn anything or try to figure our the world or do we just wait on God to make it so?

In your case, perhaps I would go with trying to learn.

24 posted on 11/06/2009 11:35:58 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: RoadGumby

“Creation science does not produce medicine.”
True. Using the scientific method with evolution as the dominant theory has produced and continues to produce medicines for people.

“EVOLUTION is NOT Adaptation. “
Changes in time of a species DNA and therefore its traits is part of the modern understanding of evolution. Put a species of bacteria up against an antibiotic some will live and be resistant their offspring retain this adaptation. I don’t know what you call that but scientists agree that this is part of the current definition of evolution.

These changes add up over time creating a wide variety in lifeforms.

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Or I could just believe everything living was put here the way it is now in a day, including fossils of older lifeforms that are no longer present for no reason because God(or an ID) didn’t tell me why. Creation science hasn’t even given us a narrative other than God (or an ID) did it. How? What? When? Where? Why? More importantly how do I use that information to predict changes in the future and influence future events?

People use evolution to anticipate changes in the seasonal flu and attempt to adapt the vaccine to anticipate the most prevalent strains. Tracking genetic changes overtime in a life form that are naturally selected, the modern theory of evolution, is used with the scientific method to make the vaccine.


25 posted on 11/06/2009 11:53:43 AM PST by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Eyes Unclouded
Pasteur discovered the action of vaccination quite by accident just as Fleming discovered penicillin by accident.

But who knows, maybe Pasteur's assistant had an unevolved memory or it was the Darwinds that blew into Fleming's lab.

26 posted on 11/06/2009 11:59:27 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
... the evolution industry is silencing dissenting scientific evidence...

How about an example ?

Last time I asked about this, you couldn't come up with one.

Remember, those nasty darwinists who were supressing a meeting ?

Sounds like the victim card to me.

27 posted on 11/06/2009 12:02:13 PM PST by jimt
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Evolution says that an animal today (Whale for instance) changed from a completely different animal. Some land based hippo perhaps, now it is a whale.

A common dog ancestor, created, has been bred (adapted, not Evolved) into hundreds of breeds today. ALL are still dogs. None are now cats.

A species of crab in Japan have adapted a carapace that looks like a human face, as locals would throw them back. Now almost all have this trait. ALL are still crabs. None are now jellyfish.

If there was a gradual change from one form of animal to another, with the plentitude of fossils, where are those remains?

How? Why? ALl those questions, you’ll have the opportunity to ask one day, hopefully, I pray, not just before you hear “Depart from me, I never knew you.”

How do you use that idea that evolution is a non-starter? It lets you know that your cats later generations will not be armadillos. How will the Fact of Adaptation help you? In all the ways it has so far and so many more.


28 posted on 11/06/2009 12:05:12 PM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: nmh
It is a test given to ALL 30 of the industrialized countries. The U.S, is ALWAYS at the bottom for YEARS. It is because “evolution” is NOT SCIENCE.

Do any of the countries that scored better than we did not teach evolution, or teach creation doctrine as science?

29 posted on 11/06/2009 12:21:20 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: OldNavyVet

Here, I hope, is a Hot Link to the Creationist rebuttal site ....

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/


30 posted on 11/06/2009 12:34:53 PM PST by OldNavyVet (The essence of evil lies in the irrational.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Based on the web site this spam is from, why isn’t in religion instead of news?


31 posted on 11/06/2009 12:37:33 PM PST by Wacka
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To: spinestein

The relative abundance of hydrogen/helium was well known before the Big Bang theory was formulated so how is predicting that which is already known meaningful? And it didn’t require a particle accelerator to find this out.


32 posted on 11/06/2009 12:59:32 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Still looking for YEC geologist who can tell me where we should put a nuclear waste storage facility, and why there and not somewhere else.


33 posted on 11/06/2009 1:12:00 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: jimt

The examples are so numerous, whole books have been written about it. Here are some case studies from the website of one of the books written about the persecution and silencing of Creation/ID scientists:

http://www.slaughterofthedissidents.com/index.php?p=20case_studies

And there a plenty of examples of jackbooted Darwinists trying to disrupt and/or cancel Creation/ID conferences.

The first article (below) goes to the mindset of the Temple of Darwin fanatics, followed by a few recent examples illustrating how their fascist mindset translates into actions:

In Oklahoma, Darwinist Choir Sings the Praises of Suppression and Censorship

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/09/its_funny_how_a_little.html

Darwinists Launch Cyber Attack Against Intelligent Design Website

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/10/darwinists_launch_cyber_attack.html

Los Angeles Premiere of Intelligent Design Film Moves to USC on Oct. 25th at 7pm

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/10/los_angeles_premiere_of_intell.html


34 posted on 11/06/2009 1:21:57 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: count-your-change

And here I was getting ready to write a long response to what could have been summed up in a sentence!


35 posted on 11/06/2009 1:26:59 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Your long response is o.k. too. I was planning on just a one word comment, “spectroscope”, but I was concerned that the physics student might not understand despite Fermilab.
36 posted on 11/06/2009 1:37:20 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: tacticalogic

“Do any of the countries that scored better than we did not teach evolution, or teach creation doctrine as science? “

They teach STRAIGHT SCIENCE.

They do not dwell on millions of years. They’ll say, “many years ago” and FOCUS ON THE SCIENCE.

It is the UNITED STATES that focuses on MILLIONS OF YEARS and DARWING. The Pacific Rim focuses on SCIENCE.


37 posted on 11/06/2009 1:43:39 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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“Yet those other countries also teach evolution, so that can't be it.”

NO, they don't! Check out Singapore Science and their Science curriculum. That's what we are using for SCIENCE. It does NOT dwell on AGE and DARWIN as the U.S. DOES.

“However, among those countries we are the only one with a large, effective religious movement in opposition to evolution. Maybe that's it. “

No, Science is NOT about “religion”. NO religion is discussed in the other curriculmns or Singapore Science that WE USE. Is it not a “religious” argument. It's all ABOUT DARWIN in the U.S.. Science is Science.

38 posted on 11/06/2009 1:46:56 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: GodGunsGuts

If the facts in those articles are true, you’ve made a good case for suppression being real.

If folks don’t like what’s being said, they should refute it, not suppress it.


39 posted on 11/06/2009 2:03:56 PM PST by jimt
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To: nmh
So anywhere in the Pacific Rim, if you ask a geologist how old the Earth is, the only answer you will get is "Many years."?

I'd like a source for that, please.

40 posted on 11/06/2009 2:30:54 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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