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Was Genghis Khan history's greenest conqueror? (Mongol invasion scrubbed 700 million tons of carbon)
Mother Nature Network ^ | 01/25/2011 | Bryan Nelson

Posted on 01/25/2011 9:08:45 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Genghis Khan's Mongol invasion in the 13th and 14th centuries was so vast that it may have been the first instance in history of a single culture causing man-made climate change, according to new research out of the Carnegie Institution's Department of Global Ecology, reports Mongabay.com.

Unlike modern day climate change, however, the Mongol invasion cooled the planet, effectively scrubbing around 700 million tons of carbon from the atmosphere.

So how did Genghis Khan, one of history's cruelest conquerors, earn such a glowing environmental report card? The reality may be a bit difficult for today's environmentalists to stomach, but Khan did it the same way he built his empire — with a high body count.

Over the course of the century and a half run of the Mongol Empire, about 22 percent of the world's total land area had been conquered and an estimated 40 million people were slaughtered by the horse-driven, bow-wielding hordes. Depopulation over such a large swathe of land meant that countless numbers of cultivated fields eventually returned to forests.

In other words, one effect of Genghis Khan's unrelenting invasion was widespread reforestation, and the re-growth of those forests meant that more carbon could be absorbed from the atmosphere.

"It's a common misconception that the human impact on climate began with the large-scale burning of coal and oil in the industrial era," said Julia Pongratz, who headed the Carnegie Institution research project. "Actually, humans started to influence the environment thousands of years ago by changing the vegetation cover of the Earth's landscapes when we cleared forests for agriculture."

Pongratz's study, which was completed with the help of her Carnegie colleague Ken Caldeira, as well as with German colleagues at the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, measured the carbon impact of a number of historical events besides just the Mongol invasion, including the Black Death in Europe, the fall of China's Ming Dynasty and the conquest of the Americas.

What all of these events share in common is the widespread return of forests after a period of massive depopulation, but the longevity of the Mongol invasion made it stand out as having the biggest impact on the world's climate.

"We found that during the short events such as the Black Death and the Ming Dynasty collapse, the forest re-growth wasn't enough to overcome the emissions from decaying material in the soil," explained Pongratz. "But during the longer-lasting ones like the Mongol invasion ... there was enough time for the forests to re-grow and absorb significant amounts of carbon."

The 700 million tons of carbon absorbed as a result of the Mongol invasions roughly equals the amount of carbon global society now produces annually from gasoline.

Though Genghis Khan's legacy as one of the world's cruelest conquerors isn't likely to change because of the unintended "green" consequences of his invasions, Pongratz hopes that her research can lead to land-use changes that someday might alter how future historians rate our environmental impact.

"Based on the knowledge we have gained from the past, we are now in a position to make land-use decisions that will diminish our impact on climate and the carbon cycle. We cannot ignore the knowledge we have gained," she said.


TOPICS: History; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; carbon; genghiskhan; genocide; godsgravesglyphs; green; mongol; mongolmassmurderers; yesterday

1 posted on 01/25/2011 9:08:52 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind


GENGHIS GREEN: The founder of history's largest contiguous empire cooled the planet while taking a body count. (Photo: Wiki Commons/public domain)
2 posted on 01/25/2011 9:09:46 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

This environut author forgot to credit Stalin & Mao with their own climate saving efforts.


3 posted on 01/25/2011 9:12:27 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: SeekAndFind

Genghis Khan
Lenin
Stalin
Hitler
Mao
Obama

Heroes of the environmental movement


4 posted on 01/25/2011 9:14:21 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: caver

Hitler, too. *rolls eyes*

These environuts are absolutely insane.


5 posted on 01/25/2011 9:15:06 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: SeekAndFind

And here we go. Save the earth: Kill lots and lots of people.

Help get the people on board for the leftist leaders’ existing plans for mass murder and genocide.

I’m sure only “bad people” in the TEA Party will be targeted in the crosshairs of the enviro-killers’ (government’s) sights, right, Lefties?


6 posted on 01/25/2011 9:15:25 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Terrorists don't commit genocide. That's what governments do.)
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To: SeekAndFind

For a dose of reality, see:

Another “mankind as evil carbonator, even way back then” study
Posted on January 24, 2011 by Anthony Watts
Last week we were treated to the ridiculous story about Genghis Khan having an impact (or apparently not enough) with his impact on humanity. This week, a “new interpretation”; it’s the Romans and Christopher Columbus who are the ghosts of climate injustices past by daring to enable use of forest resources.


7 posted on 01/25/2011 9:15:25 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: SeekAndFind

Surely Mao Zedong, the father of communist China, removed far more carbon from the atmosphere through his “great leap forward” program that killed 80 million.


8 posted on 01/25/2011 9:16:22 AM PST by GreatJoeMcCarthy
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To: SeekAndFind
Brings to mind my favorite quote from My Cousin Vinny;

"Everything that guy just said is Bull$8/T!",/i>

9 posted on 01/25/2011 9:16:48 AM PST by de.rm (Bang, bang, . . bang. Shhh=Bush, the elder, E. Howard Hunt, LBJ, Mrs, Edgar Hoover)
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To: SeekAndFind

Genghis was a bad motor scooter.
But Attila wasn’t so bad: his wife and waitresses called him `Hon.’


10 posted on 01/25/2011 9:16:56 AM PST by tumblindice (You say Demoblicans, I say Republicrats)
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To: SeekAndFind

Soylent Green is carbon!


11 posted on 01/25/2011 9:17:25 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: SeekAndFind

Author neglects to note that in the 13th and 14th centuries, there was minimal fossil-fuel use, so the carbon taken out of the atmosphere wouldn’t have been put there by humans.

“13th and 14th centuries” also corresponds roughly to the beginning of the Little Ice Age and the Bubonic Plague epidemic that hit Europe in the early 1300s, killing tens of millions of people.

I presume the author celebrates that also.


12 posted on 01/25/2011 9:19:03 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This research is so pointless, so useless, and so irrelevent that it must have been taxpayer funded.


13 posted on 01/25/2011 9:21:20 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: DuncanWaring

Clarifying, the article claims the Mongol invasion cooled the planet, which I am suggesting reinforced the cooling associated with the Maunder Minimum, the net total result of which was the Little Ice Age and Black Death.

Watermelons licking their chops trying to figure out how to replicate that today.


14 posted on 01/25/2011 9:22:34 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Rainbow Six - by Tom Clancy


15 posted on 01/25/2011 9:23:18 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SeekAndFind
The reality may be a bit difficult for today's environmentalists to stomach, but Khan did it the same way he built his empire — with a high body count.

This writer is a moron. This is the enviro's solution to a t.

16 posted on 01/25/2011 9:25:18 AM PST by 1raider1
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To: SeekAndFind
"Based on the knowledge we have gained from the past, we are now in a position to make land-use decisions that will diminish our impact on climate and the carbon cycle. We cannot ignore the knowledge we have gained," she said.

The knowledge that barbarian hordes that slaughter kill the weak kneed slack jawed idiots like her? Land use for mass graves?
The knowledge that totalitarianism kills for the takeover of the land and control of the territory taken?

She is a drooling idiot, and didn't learn the lesson at all.
17 posted on 01/25/2011 9:25:50 AM PST by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com)
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To: SeekAndFind
10K miles, several mountains ranges, a desert ...what's not to like?
18 posted on 01/25/2011 9:28:31 AM PST by Daffynition ( Live EACH DAY as if it were your last, but EXPECT that there still may be a tomorrow.)
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To: GreatJoeMcCarthy

RE: Surely Mao Zedong, the father of communist China, removed far more carbon from the atmosphere through his “great leap forward” program that killed 80 million.


Not sure about that number. The Great Leap Forward is one of those events in history where the number of dead people have not been accounted for with much accuracy. Some put it as low as 10 Million, some ( as in the above ) as high as an alarming 80 million.

We can never be sure how many died.


19 posted on 01/25/2011 9:29:55 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

If you will actually pay attention to the conquests of Ghengis Khan, you will notice that whenever he conquered a city, he only removed the leaders and then left the people, customs, religion and lifestyles in place so that he could trade with them. The excepts were muslim cities. The muslims gave him so many problems and he could not trust them to uphold their word, so he razed their cities and killed everyone of them that he encountered.

Ghengis Khan might not have been as bad as our agenda driven teachers led us to believe.


20 posted on 01/25/2011 9:33:17 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Re-Elect President Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: BuffaloJack

Genghis killed all inhabitants of any city that resisted him. This was to encourage other cities to think twice about doing so.

The reason he killed so many Muslims was that they refused to submit to an unbeliever.

Some estimates are that the Mongols killed up to 80% of the total population of Central Asia, Iran and Iraq. Many of these areas have never fully recovered the level of civilization they had before the Mongols came through. Iraq, for instance, had been continuously prosperous for at least 5000 years. It has been largely desert since the Mongols.

The 40M credited to the Mongols was about 10% of the world’s population at the time. No other conqueror or group has ever come close to an equivalent percentage death toll. The 20th century commies, for instance, are down somewhere around 2 to 3%.


21 posted on 01/25/2011 9:44:28 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind
If these envirowhacko subhumans who wrote this shit believe removing 40 million souls from the earth by Genghis Khan is a good thing, why in cowboy hell aren't they heralding the wonderful 'human-erasing' feats of Stalin and Hitler? Both of these are responsible for an equal number of erasures.

They don't do this because the recent history is too recent and not far enough removed to emotionally dis-associate oneself from the carnage.

This is so disgusting as to make me think people like this don't belong on this planet. Regardless, I won't whop off their damned silly heads in protest. Disgusting people twisting history and arguments to fit a ridiculous premise to start with.....I feel so dirty after reading that article.

22 posted on 01/25/2011 9:46:09 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

The ONLY thing which occasionally acts like a greenhouse gas on this planet is water vapor. Genghis Khan never did anything which would affect clouds or water vapor.


23 posted on 01/25/2011 9:49:00 AM PST by wendy1946
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To: tumblindice
But Attila wasn’t so bad: his wife and waitresses called him `Hon.’


24 posted on 01/25/2011 10:01:18 AM PST by JRios1968 (This is me, in a nutshell: "Let me out of here...I'm trapped in a nutshell!!!!")
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To: SeekAndFind
Here is some future history, the notorious "Colonel Green" fron Star Trek :

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Phillip_Green

[During the war, Green led a faction of violent ecoterrorists whose actions led to the death of some 37 million people. ]

25 posted on 01/25/2011 10:09:12 AM PST by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind
The reality may be a bit difficult for today's environmentalists to stomach

No, it's pretty much what many of them have been thinking.

26 posted on 01/25/2011 10:13:03 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, he killed lots of people, as did Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc., but none of them cooled the planet. The climate isn’t that easy to control.


27 posted on 01/25/2011 10:15:47 AM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: SeekAndFind

KHAAAAAAN!

28 posted on 01/25/2011 10:17:05 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

The Mongols also destroyed irrigation systems over large areas effectively turning once verdant and productive tracts into wasteland. And that 40 million figure may be way under the actual total slaughtered or killed indirecly as a result of famine and disease that followed in the wake of the very destructive Mongol armies.

I believe we get insight into the kind of thinking that is pervasive among the inner circle of the green movement. Fewer humans = less carbon emissons = happy Gaiea. Not a few of these people would be quite happy to see wholesale slaughter of their fellow human beings. Their biggest worry in regards to that is means and not the end result (which they welcome). So long as people can be exterminated without filling the atmosphere with nuclear fallout or excessive carbon emissions from the burning of whole cities then it is OK (though “regretable”).


29 posted on 01/25/2011 10:19:10 AM PST by scory
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To: BuffaloJack
If you will actually pay attention to the conquests of Ghengis Khan, you will notice that whenever he conquered a city, he only removed the leaders and then left the people, customs, religion and lifestyles in place so that he could trade with them.

Good point. The Mongol Army adopted a corps of specialists from just about every country that they defeated. This is how an army of horse archers manages to subdue walled cities.

30 posted on 01/25/2011 10:28:58 AM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Black Book of Communism puts the Mao’s total death count at 65 million. This includes only Chinese civilians, and includes all atrocities of the Mao regime, not just the Great Leap Forward. It’s probably the most responsible and thoroughly researched estimate out there.

Other than frivolous assessments of environmental impact and the like, precise estimates of the death counts for the various Communist and National Socialist leaders are unnecessary to weigh their ideologies in the balance. Reasonable estimates are, however, necessary to remind people of the consequences of collectivism and central planning have been tried in the balance and found wanting.


31 posted on 01/25/2011 10:30:57 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: scory
“I believe we get insight into the kind of thinking that is pervasive among the inner circle of the green movement”

This describes Peter Singer. He was quoted in the WSJ very recently in an article discussing the merits of saving human life in poor countries.

His opinion of course, is that life there should not be saved or even brought forth.

32 posted on 01/25/2011 10:36:45 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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Singer is a monster that other monsters use to give a veneer of scholarly approval to their crimes. All the “isms” that, in the last century, erupted across the planet and whose acolytes murdered millions could claim the approval of “scholars”. Singer is referred to as some form of “ethicist” as if that gives his ideas some added weight or legitimacy. The “ethics” he peddles justify crimes and are purely evil.


33 posted on 01/25/2011 10:59:11 AM PST by scory
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To: scory

“Singer is referred to as some form of “ethicist” “

Singer is the same type of “ethicist” as was Mengele.


34 posted on 01/25/2011 11:08:47 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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Thanks SeekAndFind.
35 posted on 01/27/2011 5:01:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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