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Ancient Greeks introduced wine to France, Cambridge study reveals [Prof Paul Cartledge]
Telegraph ^ | Friday, October 23, 2009 | Andrew Hough

Posted on 10/27/2009 5:04:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The original makers of Côtes-du-Rhône are said to have descended from Greek explorers who settled in southern France about 2500 years ago... The study, by Prof Paul Cartledge, suggested the world's biggest wine industry might never have developed had it not been for a "band of pioneering Greek explorers" who settled in southern France around 600 BC. His study appears to dispel the theory that it was the Romans who were responsible for bringing viticulture to France. The study found that the Greeks founded Massalia, now known as Marseilles, which they then turned into a bustling trading site, where local tribes of Ligurian Celts undertook friendly bartering. Prof Cartledge said within a matter of generations the nearby Rhône became a major thoroughfare for vessels carrying terracotta amphorae that contained what was seen as a new, exotic Greek drink made from fermented grape juice. He argued the new drink rapidly became a hit among the tribes of Western Europe, which then contributed to the French's modern love of wine... Archaeologists have discovered a five-foot high, 31.5 stone bronze vessel, the Vix Krater, which was found in the grave of a Celtic princess in northern Burgundy, France... The research forms part of Professor Cartledge's study into where the boundaries of Ancient Greece began and ended. Rather than covering the geographical area occupied by the modern Greek state, he argued Ancient Greece stretched from Georgia in the east to Spain in the west.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: agriculture; france; godsgravesglyphs; grapes; history; oenology; spartans; winemaking; zymurgy
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To: Tax-chick

Uh, I’m tellin’... ;’)


21 posted on 10/27/2009 6:05:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
the Greeks founded Massalia, now known as Marseilles, which they then turned into a bustling trading site, where local tribes of Ligurian Celts undertook friendly bartering

Perhaps they meant the Liquorin' Celts...

22 posted on 10/27/2009 6:48:15 PM PDT by mikrofon (a/k/a the Irish ;)
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To: SunkenCiv

I prefer Ouzo.


23 posted on 10/27/2009 7:20:53 PM PDT by Islam=Murder (Hitler hated his Jewish side, Omoslem hates his white side.)
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To: Kolokotronis

I think Retsina was a brilliant invention myself. It’s the first chemical anti-theft device. The Greeks obviously put pine tar in their wine so that the Turks wouldn’t steal the wine. It’s just brilliant in it’s simplicity.


24 posted on 10/27/2009 7:30:13 PM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: Jubal Harshaw

“The Greeks obviously put pine tar in their wine so that the Turks wouldn’t steal the wine. It’s just brilliant in it’s simplicity.”

My grandparents always maintained that was the story...and the fact that no Turk will drink Retsina lends it credibility.


25 posted on 10/27/2009 7:34:13 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Vix Krater was a friend of mine years ago.


26 posted on 10/27/2009 8:16:00 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Kolokotronis
I was in college before I learned that most wine tasted like vinegar

You have to try Muscadine. It's made here in the South!

27 posted on 10/28/2009 4:30:53 AM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Ancient Greece stretched from Georgia in the east to Spain in the west.

Colonies and culture of Magna Graecia! Recommend this obscure book to all, it's a real gem:

GODS WITH BRONZE SWORDS by Costa De Loverdo

Older book, cheap on Amazon, somewhat heavy on the speculation but always entertaining and thought-provoking. You start seeing the Greek influence in its earliest epoch, though the physical evidence was long ago broken down by the waves.

Another excellent work: MEDITERRANEAN, SAGA OF A SEA by Emil Ludwig. A Med-lover must-read!

28 posted on 10/28/2009 8:39:05 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( If you have kids, you have no right of privacy that the govt can't flick off your shoulder.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Thanks 668!


29 posted on 10/28/2009 8:28:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Domestic Church

Star Trek Inspirational Posters

30 posted on 10/28/2009 8:32:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Islam=Murder

“Ouzo the famed drink of Lesvos”


31 posted on 10/28/2009 8:34:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: mikrofon

Isn’t that redundant?


32 posted on 10/28/2009 8:34:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: decimon

Goudabservation.


33 posted on 10/28/2009 8:35:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Kolokotronis

A couple of Halloweens ago I took a bottle of retsina and a bottle of mead to a party, and got some friends (I don’t drink) to try the retsina-mead-beer combo that may have been a Mycenaean favorite. We came up with a 1-2-3 proportion on that for flavor. Anyway, one of those friends has since added retsina to his “often” list.


34 posted on 10/28/2009 8:37:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: eartrumpet

:’)


35 posted on 10/28/2009 8:37:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: americanophile

I wonder if any of their drinking songs have survived?


36 posted on 10/28/2009 8:38:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: count-your-change

Hey, if you can’t keep it down, it’s probably *not* a good wine. Or, there was far too much of it. ;’)


37 posted on 10/28/2009 8:38:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Tax-chick
I often buy Nemea wines (named for the region) made from the Agiorgitiko (St. George) grape. When drinking wines from the "old world", it is best to drink indigenous grapes (IE drink Greek Nemea, NOT Greek Cabernet).

Most larger wine shops carry at least a bottle or two of Nemea. Goes very well with rack of lamb.

38 posted on 10/28/2009 8:44:12 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Kolokotronis
As someone who eats Greek once a week, I enjoy retsina with my mezze.

The Turks actually produce some nice white wines, but none with pine resin.

39 posted on 10/28/2009 8:45:38 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza

“The Turks actually produce some nice white wines,...”

Indeed they do, mostly from the Ionian coast area; also some pretty good oil. Guess who taught them how to make it? :)


40 posted on 10/29/2009 3:29:06 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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