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Ancient Greeks introduced wine to France, Cambridge study reveals [Prof Paul Cartledge]
Telegraph ^ | Friday, October 23, 2009 | Andrew Hough

Posted on 10/27/2009 5:04:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The original makers of Côtes-du-Rhône are said to have descended from Greek explorers who settled in southern France about 2500 years ago... The study, by Prof Paul Cartledge, suggested the world's biggest wine industry might never have developed had it not been for a "band of pioneering Greek explorers" who settled in southern France around 600 BC. His study appears to dispel the theory that it was the Romans who were responsible for bringing viticulture to France. The study found that the Greeks founded Massalia, now known as Marseilles, which they then turned into a bustling trading site, where local tribes of Ligurian Celts undertook friendly bartering. Prof Cartledge said within a matter of generations the nearby Rhône became a major thoroughfare for vessels carrying terracotta amphorae that contained what was seen as a new, exotic Greek drink made from fermented grape juice. He argued the new drink rapidly became a hit among the tribes of Western Europe, which then contributed to the French's modern love of wine... Archaeologists have discovered a five-foot high, 31.5 stone bronze vessel, the Vix Krater, which was found in the grave of a Celtic princess in northern Burgundy, France... The research forms part of Professor Cartledge's study into where the boundaries of Ancient Greece began and ended. Rather than covering the geographical area occupied by the modern Greek state, he argued Ancient Greece stretched from Georgia in the east to Spain in the west.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: agriculture; france; godsgravesglyphs; grapes; history; oenology; spartans; winemaking; zymurgy
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The original makers of Côtes-du-Rhône are said to have descended from Greek explorers who settled in southern France about 2500 years ago Photo: PAUL GROVER

Ancient Greeks introduced wine to France, Cambridge study reveals

1 posted on 10/27/2009 5:04:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Archaeologists have discovered a five-foot high, 31.5 stone bronze vessel, the Vix Krater, which was found in the grave of a Celtic princess in northern Burgundy, France...

2 posted on 10/27/2009 5:05:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Of COURSE they did: Dionysus invented it.


3 posted on 10/27/2009 5:06:27 PM PDT by bannie
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4 posted on 10/27/2009 5:08:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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5 posted on 10/27/2009 5:08:50 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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I think this one is a reprise, may even have been its own topic:
Scientists discover Neolithic wine-making
by Lora Griffin
UNLV Rebel Yell
The porous structure of these clay vessels is what has made it possible for scientists to analyze wine that is thousands of years old. Clay jars designed to hold about 2.5 gallons were found during an excavation conducted by Mary M. Voigt near the Hajji Firuz Tepe site in the Northern Zagros Mountains of Iran. A yellowish residue discovered inside a jar was tested using a variety of analyses including infrared, liquid chromatographic and wet chemical analyses. The chromatographic test showed the best proof that this was indeed wine by revealing the presence of terebinth tree resin... The tree resin was added to the wine during fermentation to help prevent it from turning to vinegar. The combination of finding these two components in the jar together and the discovery of clay stoppers, which are the perfect size to fit the necks of the vessels, in close vicinity to the jars, all points to the probability that the grape product inside the jars was indeed wine.

6 posted on 10/27/2009 5:10:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
Currently sipping a lovely Cabernet franc port from Manatawny Creek Vineyards, a winery in Reading, PA.
7 posted on 10/27/2009 5:11:36 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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8 posted on 10/27/2009 5:12:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Clay jars designed to hold about 2.5 gallon

And that stuff was distilled.

9 posted on 10/27/2009 5:12:43 PM PDT by bannie
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To: SunkenCiv; Kolokotronis

Well, duh. The Greeks spread wine production all over the ancient Mediterranean.

It’s funny that they don’t have a popular international wine product today. I never see Greek wines promoted here, and we’re mildly cosmopolitan: our health-foods store had a special on Georgian wines a while back ... the former Soviet republic, not the state a few hours south.


10 posted on 10/27/2009 5:16:56 PM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
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They don’t make enough to ship ‘em anywhere. :’) If you look in the better stores (specialty shops, gourmet cooking joints, high-end liquor stores, and Greek groceries) you’ll find some selection, including Retsina, which has been called the national beverage of Greece. It’s wine mingled with pine resin, and it has been identified in Mycenaean kitchen artifacts (IOW, older than this 600 BC thing).


11 posted on 10/27/2009 5:19:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Retsina, yuck. That’s why I specified a *popular* international wine product!


12 posted on 10/27/2009 5:21:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Must have permanently turned the french on to that other Greek thing later that evening.


13 posted on 10/27/2009 5:26:04 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: bannie

Those clay jars were (various sizes) were used to ship whatever was headed out to its destination, and generally so unadorned and cheap that they seldom made a second trip. Those beautiful ones with the painted mythological scenes, love scenes, and whatnot, that sell for 100s of 1000s of bucks, sold for only slightly more than the plain clay ones — back then.


14 posted on 10/27/2009 5:26:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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:’) Now you know who to thank.


15 posted on 10/27/2009 5:33:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Coat’-du-Ripple, You can’t keep a good wine down!


16 posted on 10/27/2009 5:49:13 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: SunkenCiv

...our indebtedness to the ancient Greeks only grows.


17 posted on 10/27/2009 5:55:23 PM PDT by americanophile (Sarcasm: satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I could have guessed the Greeks did it after watching My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Greeks invented everything.


18 posted on 10/27/2009 5:56:17 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Tax-chick; SunkenCiv

“Retsina, yuck.”

!!!!!!!!!!!!! For SHAME, Amerikaneetha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Retsina is the very nectar of the gods. I was in college before I learned that most wine tasted like vinegar (too bad the French forgo how to make wine.)instead of nice, honest turpentine!

Its still my favorite wine by far!


19 posted on 10/27/2009 6:03:36 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: SunkenCiv

But what about cheese? Huh? Huh? Huh? ;-)


20 posted on 10/27/2009 6:04:50 PM PDT by decimon
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