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Are cave paintings really little more than the testosterone-fuelled scribblings of young men?
nature news ^ | 31 may | some guy

Posted on 06/01/2006 7:17:07 AM PDT by S0122017

Nature Published online: 31 May 2006; | doi:10.1038/441575a Sex and violence in rock art Are cave paintings really little more than the testosterone-fuelled scribblings of young men? Reviewed by: Paul G. Bahn

It is an odd fact that the art of the last Ice Age (the Upper Palaeolithic) is characterized by its numerous stylized or naturalistic animal images, and yet its study has rarely involved animal ethologists, apart from an occasional article by specialists in bison or big cats, or by a veterinarian keen to argue that some of the depicted animals were dead or dying. A palaeobiologist has now carried out a long, in-depth study of this art, and the result is The Nature of Paleolithic Art, a massive and unusual book whose witty title succinctly expresses its approach.

Dale Guthrie has in the past equated much palaeolithic art with the cheesecake of erotic magazines, and the trophies of hunting magazines. Here he presents these beliefs in far more depth and detail. He also sets the production of palaeolithic art into the context of the environment and social life, focusing particularly on life, love and death in the Ice Age. Much of this study is enlightening and valuable, drawing on the author's wealth of experience in cold environments and with hunting cultures.

Unfortunately, his reading of the images is extremely literal, excessively so in my view. In his quest for "clear expressions of the artists' hunting preoccupations", he thinks he can recognize depictions of "males with hunting weapons such as spears or spear-throwers", of hunting parties with men "being attacked by wounded game or dangerous carnivores", of nosebleeds and defaecations, and even of bleeding puncture wounds without weapons. People often see what they want to see in rock art, and I think it is safe to say that few of Guthrie's interpretations would be readily accepted by most specialists in Ice Age art.

The fundamental problem with these claims is that they are based, as so often in theories about rock art, on a small number of carefully selected examples, which are presented as typical. Some of his statements are surely exaggerations; in particular, declarations such as "images of rotund women, vulvae, and men with erections are found at many sites" or "giant penises ... occur throughout Paleolithic art". Unfortunately, such imagery is far rarer and less characteristic than that presented here.

Horse-play? Debate rages over the motivation for cave paintings of animals, such as this one at Lascaux.

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For example, if hunting and "testosterone themes" (to use Guthrie's term) were indeed one of the major causes of the art, surely one would find numerous hunting scenes. Yet in the tens of thousands of images, there is not a single clear depiction of a hunt, and the scenes highlighted in the relevant section of the book are sketchy and ambiguous, and lead Guthrie in some cases to provide his own interpretative drawings, dramatic 'reconstructions' of what he thinks is represented.

Regarding the highly enigmatic 'shaft scene' of Lascaux, he writes: "Surely there is little argument over what this scene is about," whereas in fact one would be hard pressed to find a depiction over which there has been more argument! Similarly, for Guthrie the Laussel 'playing card' figure "is clearly a couple copulating", but again it would be hard to find a vaguer and more enigmatic depiction. His interpretation of 'chimney' and 'Placard' signs as stylized women with legs spread is startling and novel, to say the least.

Another major emphasis of the book is the author's conviction that works by youngsters constitute more of the art than had hitherto been proposed. This emphasis has led to regrettable and sensationalist headlines such as "Cave paintings are graffiti by prehistoric yobs", from the UK newspaper The Independent on Sunday, with much of the art now attributed to "sexually charged, intoxicated teenagers intent on vandalism". Guthrie's position is more sober, being based on new analyses indicating that many of the hand-stencils were done by young males. This is an interesting piece of evidence, but one wonders how far the results can safely be extrapolated to figurative Palaeolithic art. It has long been known that almost all the surviving footprints in the caves are those of children and adolescents, but that does not necessarily mean that they were also the artists, let alone that much of the art can be ascribed to sniggering youngsters.

One of the most welcome aspects of Guthrie's book is its determined shunning of the fantasies and speculations published in recent years about the role of so-called 'shaman-artists', 'trances' and 'altered states of consciousness' in the production of cave art. Guthrie rightly states that the 'magico-religious' approach, as he calls it, has generated confusion and error, and has "resulted in a derailment of rock art research". It is worth noting that, with a lone exception, not one specialist in Ice Age art takes these shamanistic notions seriously at all. On the other hand, there can be no doubt that some kind of profound religious motivation — however one defines it — does lie behind some cave art. It cannot all be attributed to sex, hunting and teenage scribbling.

In short, this book attempts a far too literal reading of much Palaeolithic art, and contains a great deal of wishful thinking in exaggerating the abundance, clarity and supposed ubiquity of hunting and sexual imagery in the art. Nevertheless, it provides a great number of interesting insights into the nature and behaviour of the species depicted, including humans, and is undeniably thought-provoking and challenging. I can recommend it highly, despite my reservations.


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Books/Literature; History; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: cave; caveart; cavepainting; caves; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; macroetymology; paleolithic; paleolithicart; paleosigns; paleothology; spelunkers; spelunking
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So i guess it wasn't vandalism after all. Yay!
1 posted on 06/01/2006 7:17:10 AM PDT by S0122017
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


2 posted on 06/01/2006 7:17:33 AM PDT by S0122017
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To: S0122017
Who really cares? They used to club each other over the head back then.

Captain Caveman

3 posted on 06/01/2006 7:23:05 AM PDT by Disturbin (Hey Hey, Ho Ho, The Illegals Have to GO)
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To: Disturbin

And nowadays we shoot each other in the head. That's evolution!


5 posted on 06/01/2006 7:28:42 AM PDT by S0122017
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To: S0122017

So what makes everyone so sure the women didn't do it?


6 posted on 06/01/2006 7:41:17 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
'cause the women were following behind with a scrub-brush and a pail of lye going "Ung, you better get these kids outside before I completely lose my mind! Take them to the tar pits or something!!!"
7 posted on 06/01/2006 7:48:40 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Going armed to the terror of the public.)
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To: S0122017
If it was testosterone-fueled young men wouldn't the paintings more likely be some primitive form of Vargas girl.
8 posted on 06/01/2006 7:53:07 AM PDT by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: LongElegantLegs
I have an entirely different theory. When Og first got the cave, Oggette wanted to move in. After all, Og was a pretty good provider, hunted well, and had a decent hole in the wall. Well, one day when Og was out chasing Mammoth, Oggette snuck into the cave, cleaned out the old bones and such, stashed his stuff neatly, and painted the walls with a few critters and such to brighten the place up.

When Og came back, naturally, he was enraged that his stuff had been messed with in his absence, and gave Oggette the boot.

But then, he realized he couldn't find his favorite scraper.

Dangit, where was his stash of berries?

So, Og relented and let Oggette back in in exchange for keeping the place clean and finding all his stuff she had squirrelled away.

Thus were born domestic arrangements.

One thing led to another, and little Ogs and Oggettes were swarming the place before long. When they got big enough to re-arrange the cave, Oggette made them get a cave of their own.

Oggette continued to stash Og's stuff relentlessly, especially if he looked like he might want to share the hides with the younger oggette a few caves down, and so the arrangement continued.

Shortly after that, one of the tribe who didn't want to hunt those big, nasty mammoth decided he could paint caves, too, and that is where interior decorators came from, (but that is another story...)

9 posted on 06/01/2006 8:24:51 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
What's worse is that occasionally Oggette would feel the need to rearrange the boulders in the cave. The responsibility of moving the boulders fell on Og when he would get home after a long day of chasing Mammoth.

Og would of course oblige. Now once the boulders were moved, all the cave paintings would be out of place messing up the Che of the room (Che was pronounced "Grunt" back then...as was everything else).

Now the "interior decorator" would have to be called back in to move the paintings. Some enterprising cavemen would actually just carve the paintings out of the wall and move them rather than deal with the decorator (hence the invention of quarrying).

Now to top it all off lil Oggette started dating some Neanderthal. Og was so concerned over this that he cut her hair short to defend her honor.

Tough times back then.
10 posted on 06/01/2006 8:35:31 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: CougarGA7

LOL!


11 posted on 06/01/2006 8:50:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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Dancing Girls And The Merry Magdalenian (13,000 Y.O. Painting, UK)
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Were Cavemen Painting For Their Gods?
The Telegraph (UK) | 2-23-2005
Posted on 03/06/2005 6:20:58 PM EST by blam
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Macro-Etymology: Paleosigns [writing 20,000 years ago?]
Macro-Etymology Website | prior to May 20, 2005 | the webmasters thereof
Posted on 05/20/2005 2:00:18 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
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Humanity's Strange Face
Science News Magazine | 5-22-2004 | Bruce Bower
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French Student Looks For Lefties Among Earliest Cave Painters
The State.com | 12-9-2003 | Alexandra Witze
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Early Humans Settled India Before Europe, Study Suggests
National Geographic | 11-14-2005 | Brian Vastag
Posted on 11/15/2005 2:47:13 PM EST by blam
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12 posted on 06/01/2006 9:25:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Thanks S0122017 for the ping.

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13 posted on 06/01/2006 9:26:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Most books I've read on cave art always mention the perfectly preserved footprints left in the cave floor clay as being "small and feminine".
The prevailing theory [as of then, anyway] is that it was predominantly women and children visiting the areas that contain the art.

*shrug*

Who knows?
Maybe guys with tiny feet and hands?


[no Freudian or Jungian stuff about that, please]....LOL!

People break their backs trying to read *something deep* into everything when the possibility exists that then, as now, people created art simply because they were artists....:)



14 posted on 06/01/2006 10:04:18 AM PDT by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: CougarGA7

"Now the "interior decorator" would have to be called back in to move the paintings"

'Guys' like Christopher Lowell had primitive...uh..."counterparts"?


[you knew that was coming].....;D


15 posted on 06/01/2006 10:06:10 AM PDT by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: Salamander
Maybe guys with tiny feet and hands?

Ummm...

[no Freudian or Jungian stuff about that, please]....LOL!

OK. shucks, that might have been fun

People break their backs trying to read *something deep* into everything when the possibility exists that then, as now, people created art simply because they were artists....:)

That is the truth! My wife paints, because she needs to. (She is pretty good, too, imo. )

16 posted on 06/01/2006 10:13:22 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Who writes this junk?

So now "they" are sure that the species' ancient "testosterone-fuelled young men" scribble aimlessly, but modern art is meaningful?

I am ashamed that this garbage passes for science.

Testosterone is here for a good reason, as inconvenient as that fact may be to the know-it-all dweebs who write this stuff in their lofty cubicles.

Now I must go out and kill something before I get upset.


17 posted on 06/01/2006 11:38:57 AM PDT by PoorMuttly (Free Mexico - repatriate the refugees)
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"Who knows? Maybe guys with tiny feet and hands?"

If there's a Tilt-A-Whirl nearby and the smell of cabbage in the air, then it's CARNEYS for sure! (Who's spreading the pixie dust and barking for the Yak Woman?)

(Neither Freud or Jung, just a sampling of those two psychoanalytical giants Mike Meyers and Randy Quaid.)
18 posted on 06/01/2006 3:02:58 PM PDT by shibumi (".....panta en pasin....." - Origen)
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To: S0122017

"testosterone-fuelled scribblings"


Painting with testosterone...hmmmmmmmmmmmm....


19 posted on 06/01/2006 3:05:52 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: bannie; Salamander
"Painting with testosterone...hmmmmmmmmmmmm...."

Add some blasphemy and you have the beginnings of a Maplethorp revival.
20 posted on 06/01/2006 3:34:32 PM PDT by shibumi (".....panta en pasin....." - Origen)
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