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Hmmm.....

I haven’t tried these. How does one ‘touch-type’ on a projected keyboard? I mean does that work, or so we just need to go full bore voice recognition?

There is every reason to suspect that we will endure suicide missions...

With this I can agree.

“Their attempt is to cause mass casualties,” said Adm. Michael McConnell...

Again I agree.

But I then wonder about this insistence on calling them 'sleeper cells' or 'sleeper agents'?

If I were going to play terrorist manstermind, or 'Doctor Evil' for a moment I have two choices.

First Choice: Take the fastest most agressive action I can, while I can.

If I do this then there is no time to setup a 'sleeper' program and wait for 16 years or more to start to get action. I must act now while I can.

Second Choice: Take the time to study my target and work out the best prolonged attack.

If I were going to end up with a 'sleeper' program I would have to start with this approach, because of the planning involved in setting it up in the end. But if I did this, and studied the USA as a target for terrorism, I would never bother to setup a 'sleeper' program at all.

"Why not?" you ask. Well it is very simple. With the boarders open the way they are, and the scrutiny on making sure Boarder Patrol Agents get prosecuted for defending the USA, I would not need to go to the expense of this program. I would just send my active, awake, and alert agents in with student visas or tourist visas, or just walk across the Montana or Idaho boarder where no one is watching.

I hope that the Al Qaeda is waisting their money and time on 'sleeper cells.' If they are, then they are missing the window of opportunity and are giving us time to find the.

I hope you don't conclude from this that I am in some way in favor of complacency and sitting around waiting to be shocked by the next attack.

I am not.

But I am in favor of looking at the real problem and the real threat. As long as we can have a guy walk across our boarder with a back pack of plutonium, and no one will even see him. The we don't need to be running around looking under beds for the 'sleeper' terrorist. (hmm....why do we look under beds for these guys anyway? wouldn't a sleeper be in the bed, not under it?)

Our topic of USA born citizen right

And back to the topic, this is why I think removing the USA born citizen law will not help secure us from terrorist, nor will it really help our illegal immigration problems.

As long as there is a hole in our bucket, we will have problems carrying water with it.

Ever hear of the KGB? Read up on the tactics used. Yes--an incredibly long, well organized, well controlled plan that required mega-U.S.-resources to counteract.

Well now, I have heard of the KGB, and your statement here is accurate as far as it goes. However, the premise that the PLO or Al Qaeda is a bit of a stretch. And I don't mean to diminish the danger or terrorism or terrorist organizations. But their missions and tactics are different than your historical cloak and dagger outfit.

Building a 'Sleeper Agent' program requires that you have to have the mentality and discipline to build this complex strategy and system. It is much easier and faster to go for a kill and destroy system.

Gorilla type war fare that these groups are good at demonstrate this. They look for and attack weak points in systems they oppose or dislike. Sure these require planning, but the are accomplished in the lifetimes of the planner. The KGB set plans in motion for generations, Muktada and Osama do things in months and years.

But we have left the topic far behind.

It is far more likely that the parents of the young baby are the terrorist and are using the baby as an anchor to stay and stage an attack that that the baby born hear will grow to be the terrorist.

You don't have to agree, but I don't think that fanatical commitment to blow yourself up is able to be instilled in the womb. (Unless you know of some CIA program where they have done this, I bet you don't think so either.)

"Or more than likely, a sleeper agent that will work against U.S. interests for decades to come."

I think you have been reading too many spy novels. How do we know that this unborn child will become a "sleeper agent?" Seems pretty risky for the terrorist group, and kind of like an incredibly long plan. I mean this "agent" won't be effective for 14 to 18 years after his birth. And then odds are he won't be what you want anyway.

I don't think that guys who are willing to blow them selves up and or send others to blow up, will wait two decades to execute a plan.

I think that groups that are reduced to terrorism to achieve their goals will not have the patience or resources to conduct a "Sleeper Agent" program.

Scenario:

Maria and Miguel Suarez, lifelong citizens of Mexico, have always dreamed of having a better life for their children. With Maria eight-months pregnant, they decide to make the trek northward so their newborn child can be born in the United States. Despite paying a coyote $1000 to assist their border crossing, they are apprehended by the border patrol and arrested for illegal entry and assault against officers (throwing rocks and injuring a BP agent.) They are taken to the detention center where, after only two days, Maria goes into labor and delivers a healthy boy, Miguel Jr. (little Mikey).

Question: You believe Little Mikey should be given automatic U.S. Citizenship?

Answer: Yes, I believe that the parents should be sent back. If the parents, as his guardians, wish to renounce his American Citizenship, then he can go back with them. If not, then the baby can be made a ward of the state, placed for adoption and then raised by an American family.

“Mormons consider the rest of us to be heathens so why does it surprise people that there is a back lash”

Um, no. We know that other Christians also believe as we do, in the God of the Bible.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/heathens

But we do believe that you are Gentiles, meaning in this case, to be outside of our covenant with God. Baptism is that covenant of which I am speaking.

I have lots and lots of friends that are not Mormon and only one is a heathen, he worships the sun and trees and stuff. But strangely enough I don’t go around trying to explain to others what they believe or what it means.

“Can you disprove the accusation ?”

So if I accuse you of beating your spouse, and you say prove it, it get to ask you to prove me wrong????

Hey, Hillary and her commie friends haven’t won yet, we are still innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent buddy.

“making sure that these guilty throngs who allowed the world to go to hell are gerrymandered into political impotence in their new homes.”

Sooooo, If your a republican in the North you are ok, it is just the Midwest and southern Republicans that guilty of wrecking the planet. (I mean I knew they all talked funny but really!)

“I want a representative to sit down with me,”

That can be arranged, when would be a good time for you to have two nice young men come over.

:)

Ignoring them was my first reaction as well, but I have been living in the south recently and I have receive a new perspective on tolerance by ignoring the trouble makers. (new to me at least.)

This ‘Knowledge Tree’ is the camel’s nose. This is the test balloon to see if they can get away with it. After this is accepted, what is to stop them from insisting on displaying something offensive as their display?

To illustrate this, lets say we have a secular holiday like Martin Luther King day. And we have lots of people that celebrate this day and are really into it. (this is just a parallel, not my political view) And lets say there are a group of people that think Mr. King as a big phony. (again this is just an illustration) So these people want to have their own parade and displays of like, in stead of a tree, they want a displayed lynch scene in the genre of a nativity. Wouldn’t having such a display next to the MLK display be so offensive that it would by its nature destroy the message?

If we just shrug and say, ‘it’s a free country’ what happens next year when the ‘tree of knowledge’ becomes something to drive people away from all of the displays?

If you don’t believe in or celebrate the holiday, that is ok, because it is a ‘free country’ and no one is forcing you to celebrate. But we don’t have to tolerate rudeness.

(By the way, I thought we already had a non-religious symbol on the square. He is dressed in a red suit and rides a sleigh.)

"The Mormons committed a number of crimes, especially once they were in Utah. ... This is what prompted US military intervention against them, and rightly so."

And so we take a wide brush and paint over the truth. I have been very uncomfortable with this thread. I have read what happens when religious freedoms are trampled. We have seen the inquisitions (oddly enough this was the Catholic sponsored governments persecuting Christians) and the expulsions (driving the Mormons west) and the troubles. But lets get out the wide brush and paint it all over with, 'They must have deserved it for something they did or would have done if they'd had the chance.'

Saying this doesn't make it true for the Mormons, the Catholics and Protestants, or the Muslims. The idea that we can keep America and make a religion illegal is insane and unworkable. This is like saying that we can bake some bread without cooking. If you come for the Muslims or the believers in Islam, the rest of us will know who is next. And unlike the people how waited while the Nazis destroyed Germany, we won’t wait for you to get to us.

If it is impossible for America to exist and for a religion to exist together, then America has already ceased to exist. We must find a better solution.

As part of her tirade at the end she states, "I don't want to live in a country that prohibits any person, whether he/she has paid the ultimate price for that country, from wearing, saying, writing, or telephoning any negative statements about the government."

Just like everytime I hear her open her mouth, she makes little sense. If her son who "paid the ultimate price" by dieing for his country wants to return or call, I bet the president or the police would do anything about trying to limit his speach.

I would like to invite Mrs. Sheehan to pay the ultimate price for her nation. Please, Mrs. Sheehan, go to Iraq and die in the act of defending our freedoms. After that you can say whatever you want and I will listen patiently.

As a parent, I would be in favor of having my children’s movements monitored at school or in other places where they are in a large group of children. I remember being in school, and the constitution has not changed much since then. Schools do drug tests, locker and bag searches, and have the right to expel students that won't comply. This is to protect other students as well as teachers and property.

I also remember being in school and having a large amount of time wasted by educators as they counted heads. Giving teachers more time to teach and less distractions to that task is only bad if you don’t like what is being taught, but that is a different discussion.

Just like people on the internet thinking that they are anonymous, kids sometimes get this impression when they are out of sight of the teacher. I am for accountability. This does not limit freedom. Our kids can still try to sneak into the other gender's locker room, but I want them to face the consequences of those decisions. Then they will have the chance to learn from their mistakes and this is what school is for, learning.

Sadly, many people feel that the constitution guarantees us the freedom from the consequences of our actions. This is not the case, and is part of the moral breakdown that you complain about. But instead of championing the schools to try to use this RFID tool, you attack it as well. The same people that complain about the problem are complaining about the potential solutions to it.