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Sorry about that, sarcasm, one of the many services your offer eh? Seen those bumper stickers and T-shirts? On a note unrelated to you, Kerry should have tried that as a defense to his changing positions, "I meant exactly what I said at first about being in favor of the war but only sarcastically."

I think he may have made some valid points but it was hard to tell between the "F" this and the "BS" that.

Were we listening to the same clip? What valid points did you think he made? He was incorrect about every single thing he said, though there were few coherent remarks that could be easily understood anyway. It was like listening to a Demonrat programmed Robot, which was set up to spout off all the lies that the Dems have been feeding to African Americans for years and also to be sure to place expletives between each word.

Maybe I misunderstood you, but knowing, I believe, what Mr. Keyes is all about, I would very much like to know which of his points you think could be valid. I think he is a credit to his race, the human race, which is the only one I recognize. On the other hand, the other fellow cannot seem to even string one proper sentence together, even if you ignore the expletives. Just Curious, C

WKRN is news 2 ABC out of Nashville. CBS News Channel 5 has this story on their website. Normally 5 is more accurate in my experience since I get to watch both NBC, ABC, and CBS local Nashville news broadcasts.

Channel 5 Bus Crash Story
Channel 2 Bus Crash Story

Look at the differences in the stories.
Channel 2
Wednesday     32 injured     6 killed     possible attack on driver

Channel 5
Sunday             44 injured     1 killed     driver fell asleep, no license

I mean, how can you get the details that mixed up? There is no mention of even the possibility of a terrorist attack being the cause on 5, or of the buses shutting down? O.K. maybe 5 missed the ball on this one, but what about this info quoted below that from 5? Could this possibly be made up? If not, why didn't anyone else mention it?

Investigators said the bus driver doesn't remember anything about the crash, but several passengers claim the driver fell asleep.

The driver, Nathanial Waugh, didn't have a valid license.

Waugh's New York license was suspended 14 years ago because he failed to pay child support.

This sounds like either 5 is trying to keep people from panicking using disinformation, or 2 is trying to make people panic using disinformation. The media, what can you say, I wish they could get their numbers straight whether in casualties or elections. And it seems CNN is the only National Station with the story, and I don't have much faith in them anyway.

CW

"People have been killed, round up the usual suspects."

Though I was very near that bombing at the time, I do not now nor ever have I believed no one else was involved other than the two I mentioned, but there is no record of anyone involved giving up their life in the bombing, as I said no dead terrorists. American terrorist like to live to kill again and most of all to glory in their conquests by watching the mass histeria. Logic is just fact in this case. Study American terrorist bombers yourself, such as the Unibomber, etc.. I know what I am talking about. Only Islamic extremists revel as a group in the moment of their own deaths. One isolated insane person might do the same, but not 8 or more (giving only 2 per plane though I'm sure there were more). If you want to attack screen names, you may be a roaring but your arguements have no teeth.

There is something about all this that just don't add up. Everyone wants to immediately point the finger at islamic fundamentalism as the blame for these terrorist attacks, but I really wonder about that.

First of all, other than the honor/religion of the japanese in WWII, what other people or religion would ever consider kamikaze flights, more or less those hijacked with many passengers on board. If it were one plane only, perhaps you could say that person was just "crazy", but it was 4 planes. This points to a concentrated effort not anything "crazy", so what religion (the extreme part if it makes all you tolerance people feel better) believes that killing those not of your faith, especially those who are Christians or Jews (if in their minds considered a holy war "jihad") will send them to heaven? Only one, Islam. If you wanted to go to heaven bad enough, and you were brought up from childhood by Muslims (extremist though you may say) that told you that you could get to heaven by doing this, it begins to seem less heinous. Furthermore, they believe they obtain a better afterlife the more they have killed during "jihad". This is from commentaries on the Koran and the Koran itself. It is hard to imagine any other group willing to give their own lives to injure the United States. Terry Nichols and Timothy Mcvay didn't kill themselves in the Oklahoma City Bombing. Why not? No reward. They loved life and wanted to continue it as most other kinds of terrorists do. They love life more than they love the terror they inflict. That is why extremist muslims are the logical choice.

1. While it may be possible, I think its highly unlikely that any terrorist organization can pull off hijacking four airliners from three major airports at relatively the same time, given the type of controls that are in place at airports throughout the nation.

Are you watching the news? This has all been explained on every channel. The lax security at that time of morning due to the extreme traffic. Besides, it wasn't three major airports, only two. The weapons they used have been reported due to the last statements of Mrs. Nelson which confirmed that they used exacto knives and cardboard knives (the kind you use to cut open cardboard boxes with). I have carried knives like this onboard planes, often more dangerous ones that were even handed to the attendants and given back to me. I carried a small dagger I brought back from China as a souvenir back in my carry on luggage and a sword was kept by the stewardesses for me and I could have easily gotten it back from where they put it up. It is not that difficult. Luckily I am not an extremist islamic terrorist.

2. No single hijacker can take charge of an airliner and control the people in the coach and the pilot, second pilot and possibly the flight navigator, in the cockpit at the same time. And NO pilot will take an order from a hijacker to intentionally ram his plane into any building.

Absolutely true, but this was also explained on the news. There was more than one hijacker onboard the plane with Barbara Nelson, Ted Nelson's wife as she confirmed by phone. They attacked the sterwardesses with knives who tried to fight them. The pilot's were obviously killed and removed from the seats and replaced by these terrorists who were trained to fly these planes in one of the numerous training facilities from 757s & 767s (?not sure of that number) around the world. Ben Ladin could easily have procurred a flight simulator from a private company and he is known for his training facilities. You also see this in that the one plane went down in Pennsylvania, said to be because of the struggle the pilot put up with his attacker or attackers.

3. Being that all flights are tracked by radar from its point of origin to its desination, who sounded an alarm when either of these planes were found to be deviating from its assigned flight path?The FAA did as stated on the news, but they didn't have time to do anything due to the course being unknown and the constant deviation of the flight paths. One pilot (I think the one that went down in Penn) hit the button for a hijack, but they couldn't do anything in time and said they never thought they would ram it into anything, but would rather ask for demands as was the case in the past. I think more should have been done and that if something is being covered up, it is the failure of military protection from this kind of occurence. If the planes had of been shot down, the death toll would be much lower, though still a terrible loss. Also, according to ABC one of the hijackers actually spoke to the control tower, but they aren't releasing the info yet. I'll bet my bottom soon-to-be $3 gas dollar that the voice has an Arabian accent, not that they are all bad, but these guys were.

I wonder what this distraction was created for?

I agree with this point though. This is not the end in my mind, though in my heart I pray it is. What of the secretly treasonous among us. How many here have bombs waiting to go off? Not to scare people and I am not afraid because of my faith in a God that doesn't want me to kill anyone, but surely more could happen if their arms stretch this far, why not into the small towns where real rural America lives so no one can look and say, "That's terrible, but it doesn't really affect me." as many horrible people around me are saying here in Kentucky. THE END.

I cannot believe your statements. That truth won't make you free. There is judgement, but not like this. Jesus asked them in Luke 13 if they thought that those Galilaeans who Pilate killed and mingled their blood with their sacrifices if they thought they were sinners above all others in Galilee? He said, No. He asked if they thought those whom the wall of Siloam fell on (an obvious accident) were sinners above all the others in Jerusalem, to which he said, No. But except you repent (change your thinking, turn around and go a different way), you will all likewise perish. What kind of a murdering God do you serve? Where is the justice in murdering innocent people? As a sign of the times? Just because God knows what is going to happen doesn't mean he is responsible. You have to rightly divide the Word. Are you saying that every time there is a serial rapist loose in a city that the LORD has done it? Every time there is a church bombed, that the Lord has done it. You need to study the meaning of that verse before you go blaming Him for killing people. The Lord is a judge not a butcher. If he were going to judge these people, why would he not judge those who are more guilty? God says, " I will let the rapists and murderers in prison go free from true punishment for now, but I will orchestrate a plane hijacking so I can kill a conglomeration of righteous and unrighteous people in the World Trade Center. The Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that they should turn from their sins and live Ezekiel 18:23 Also what about John 10:10 The thief cometh not but for to steal, to kill and destroy. I am come that they might have life and that they might have it more abundantly. James 1:17 Every good and perfect gift cometh down from above, from the Father of Lights, in whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Jesus did the whole will of the Father while on earth, why didn't he go around killing people indescriminately? No, He "went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed of the devil. Acts 10:38 Lastly, in Luke 9:53-56 when the disciples wanted to call fire down out of heaven and consume those that didn't want Jesus to come to their town, he said, "You know not what Spirit you are of, for the Son of Man came not to destroy mens lives, but to save them." He did the will of the Father completely so the Father does not want to destroy men's lives, but to save them. Surely, you should reconsider your statements because I don't think you know what Spirit you are of.

Prepare for the possible onslaught of movies claiming this was masterminded by the military to increase defense spending. It seems ludicrous but it has been suggested before. Of course, they are full of crap, but that never seems to stop Hollywood. What a tragedy that it seems to me could have been averted or at least lessened by increasing defense. What does the money put into social programs look like in the light of disparaging of your very life?