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  • Islam, Western Civilization and Christianity

    04/19/2005 2:39:43 PM PDT · 2 of 2
    ihashim to james beam

    Now some cultures qualify as civilizations by rising above these animal instinct with their respect for human life and a passion for progress; while others like Islam merely practice these animals instincts in an organized manner, falling far short of the word Civilization, and rendering it even baser than barbarism, because of the organized manner in which this savagery is practiced. Islam seems to be barbarism practiced by choice rather than by default as a result of ignorance.

    Islam made it possible for the West to have a civilization worth speaking of. Indeed the West was in the Dark Ages before Islam shed light on the miserable existence of the West and its barbarous behavior. Even this was short-lived. The Western Church proceeded to persecute the common people in barbaric fashion.

    Is that what you call civilization? The Crusades and the Inquisition?

    Islam requires no form of human sacrifice, and organized savagery is what war is about. Dead Iraqi children and women testify to that.

    James says, "A religion that stones people to death, chops their limbs off, lets men keep captured men and women as slaves and concubines, punishes every form of happiness and the exercise of free speech and free choice with death; would remind one of a criminal syndicate, but it can never be considered a religion of God."

    I agree. Now look at the history of Christianity and know that it is not a religion of God!

    James goes on to say, "I have never come across an enlightened and honest Muslim in my entire life.

    I find that statement hard to believe. But given that, I can see why James has the view of Islam that he does!

    Islam continues to be a positive force for change in the world. Most Muslims do not belong to fundamentalist groups which are involved in the things that James is speaking of. The majority of Muslims are involved in changing the world they live and themselves in a positive fashion. Turmoil, corruption, in-efficiencies, cruelties and human rights abuses exist right here in this country. Does that make us savages also? Of course!

    One can say Christian culture and practices are simply incompatible with human civilization. Just look at the history of one Christian institution - The Vatican. Look at the history of the Papacy and the killing committed by Christians done through the ages and tell me this is not barbaric. This continues right up to slavery in this country and today to the killing going on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    If the world is threatened by Islam today, it has been threatened by Christianity for millenia.

    Christian nations threatens to destabilize the entire world with their military might and interventionist activities.

    Was nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki judicious? Innocent women and children killed for the sake of war. Where is the wisdom in that?

    The Islamic world is already contained with sanctions and technology transfer restrictions where ever these can be applied. This will not stop their progress in any area however. On the one hand, Muslims are barbaric. On the other hand, they have advanced technology. It sounds like someone is upset with the progress the Islamic world has made to date and its new-found wealth. Is that why you hate them?

    The Islamic world will never be contained. You had better get used to that. Africa will soon be an Islamic continent as well. And to think Christian missionaries used to say that they would convert Africa to Christianity in a few years! Comical indeed.

    Europe will soon be a majority Muslim continent also, given the flow of immigration and high birth rates of Muslims there. Yes, the end of the West is in sight.

    The Muslims dont pit the great powers against each other. They have those who support them and those who dont. Its that simple. The "greate powers" that support the Muslims are in a minority for sure. A Christian power alliance against Muslims will not spell victory for Christianity. It will guarantee a death blow to the Christian power allaince. Future generations would see the futility of such vain desires.

    Christians came to this country and lied to the Native Americans about everything and stole their land from them. Now Christians are talking about Muslims being liars, crooks and bullies? Hypocritical. The "great powers" became great on the back of others, be they American Indians, African slaves, or others.

    The seeds of their destruction were sown long ago by their savage treatment of others. It seems they want us to forget what they have done and go along with their "program." Or should I say "pogrom."

    Western civilization represents the lowest in human aspirations. Indeed, racism and religious persecution still abound here in this society. Poisonous ideas of others are rampant as can be seen by the statements made by many. This society still has a long way to go before it can be said to practice its values that it professes.

    Indeed, the use of slavery in empire building did evolve out of Greece and Rome. True enough. It is also evident that the West evolved dependent on this labor force, along with the use of lies, and military force. This was done by Christian Popes during the Crusades and the Inquisition. A study of European history attests to that.

    Christian missionaries enslaved several Native Americans in this country also. This was done in the name of Christianity. As well as torture and killing.
    Western civilization is about individual freedoms, greater personal responsibility and respect for the rights of others. The question is whose individual freedoms? Whose personal responsibility? Respect for the rights of whom? Christianity is also about those same principles. Yes. The same questions can be asked of Christianity as well. The answers require honesty.

    Indeed the similarities between Western civilization and the Christian faith are no coincidence: the marriage between Greco-Roman values of empire-building based on slavery.

    Does this marriage mean that today's Christians and Liberals both share the same core values? Let's hope not. At least not in the historical Christian sense.

    If Christ were to be born again, rest assured he would despise Christians even more than Muslims for their wanton disregard for human life manifested in the barbaric legacies of the Crusades, the Inquisition and the trans-Atlantic slave trade. As well as the Bosnian genocide and the killing of women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan. And the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And on and on. Where will it end?


  • Islam in Review: Robert Spencer 'Unveils Islam'

    04/18/2005 3:13:20 PM PDT · 20 of 20
    ihashim to Gregory

    Mr. Spencer's crazy statements are idiotic at best. He shows that he himself is witless and knows nothing of Islam. He has also profited from this. Islam

    thanks God for whatever good exists, not the sword. The Holy Quran says in Chapter 2, verse 256, "There is no compulsion in religion. Surely, the right way

    has become distinct from error; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows

    no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing. All-Knowing. "
    Anyone who says "Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…." is a liar. Let's see what the Holy Quran says.

    [8:12] When thy Lord revealed to the angels, saying, 'I am with you; so make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who

    disbelieve. Smite them above their necks, and smite off all finger-tips.'

    [8:13] That is because they have opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoso opposes Allah and His Messenger, Then Allah is surely Severe in retribution.

    The Muslims were at war with the Meccans disbelievers, who had persecuted them for no other reason that that they were Muslim and believed in One God. This

    state of affairs had gone on for 13 years. Two emigrations had taken place to Ethiopia by those who could not stand the persecution of Muslims in Mecca.
    The Muslims were then told to emigrate to Medina, where the people were not hostile to them because of their beliefs. This emigration called the Hijra marks

    the beginning of the Islamic calendar.
    No conquests mark the beginning of the Islamic calendar. No. Just a simple emigration to seek peace while practicing their religion. If Islam had spread by

    conquest, why didn't the Muslims fight the Medinites and force them to accept Islam? The Meccans followed the Muslims to Medina and waged war on Medina

    because they harbored the Muslims. This was when God revealed to the Muslims to fight to defend themselves. They did not only defend themselves but they

    defended the Medinites as well.

    Again the Holy Quran says, "[8:30] And remember when the disbelievers devised plans against thee that they might put thee in confinement or slay thee or

    expel thee. And they planned and Allah also planned, and Allah is the Best of planners."

    The Meccans had planned to finish Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islam forever. They had followed the Muslims to Medina and were determined to put an end

    to them there. The defense of the Muslims is what God allowed, nothing more.

    This is clear in the Quran where it says,"[8:39] And fight them until there is no persecution and religion is wholly to Allah. But if they desist, then

    surely Allah is Watchful of what they do."

    That was the true state of affairs when the verses were revealed. They were guidance for prophet Muhammad and the Muslims. They were revealed to guide the

    Muslims in their actions during their trying times of persecution for their religion - Islam.

    Spencer says "Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the

    sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors!"

    Let's see what the Holy Quran says.

    Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 25
    And give glad tidings to those who believe and do good works, that for them are gardens beneath which flow streams. Whenever they are given a portion of

    fruit therefrom, they will say, 'This is what was given us before,' and gifts mutually resembling shall be brought to them. And they will have therein pure

    mates, and therein will they abide.

    Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 44
    Do you enjoin others to do what is good and forget your ownselves, while you read the book? Will you not then understand?

    Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 57
    And We caused the clouds to be a shade over you and sent down on you Manna and Salwa, saying, 'Eat of the good things We have provided for you.' And they

    wronged Us not, but it was themselves that they wronged.

    Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 58
    And remember the time when We said, 'Enter this town and eat therefrom - whatever you will - plentifully; and enter the gate submissively and say, 'God!

    forgive us our sins.' We shall forgive you your sins and We shall give increase to those who do good.'

    Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 62
    Surely, those who believe and the Jews and the Christians and the Sabians - whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and

    does good deeds, shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.

    Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 82
    But they who believe and do good works - those are the dwellers of Heaven; therein shall they abide.

    Where is the sword? Nowhere to be found!

    Spencer says,"There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean

    that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."

    Very dramatic. He is a flat out liar, however. The Holy Quran does NOT urge Muslims to value war for its own sake. Nor does the Holy Quran urge Muslims to

    fight just for fighting's sake. War and fighting can be done only to defend ownself in Islam.

  • Islam in Review: Robert Spencer 'Unveils Islam'

    04/18/2005 3:11:34 PM PDT · 19 of 20
    ihashim to Gregory

    Mr. Spencer's crazy statements are idiotic at best. He shows that he himself is witless and knows nothing of Islam. He has also profited from this. Islam

    thanks God for whatever good exists, not the sword. The Holy Quran says in Chapter 2, verse 256, "There is no compulsion in religion. Surely, the right way

    has become distinct from error; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows

    no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing. All-Knowing. "
    Anyone who says "Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]…." is a liar. Let's see what the Holy Quran says.

    [8:12] When thy Lord revealed to the angels, saying, 'I am with you; so make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who

    disbelieve. Smite them above their necks, and smite off all finger-tips.'

    [8:13] That is because they have opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoso opposes Allah and His Messenger, Then Allah is surely Severe in retribution.

    The Muslims were at war with the Meccans disbelievers, who had persecuted them for no other reason that that they were Muslim and believed in One God. This

    state of affairs had gone on for 13 years. Two emigrations had taken place to Ethiopia by those who could not stand the persecution of Muslims in Mecca.
    The Muslims were then told to emigrate to Medina, where the people were not hostile to them because of their beliefs. This emigration called the Hijra marks

    the beginning of the Islamic calendar.
    No conquests mark the beginning of the Islamic calendar. No. Just a simple emigration to seek peace while practicing their religion. If Islam had spread by

    conquest, why didn't the Muslims fight the Medinites and force them to accept Islam? The Meccans followed the Muslims to Medina and waged war on Medina

    because they harbored the Muslims. This was when God revealed to the Muslims to fight to defend themselves. They did not only defend themselves but they

    defended the Medinites as well.

    Again the Holy Quran says, "[8:30] And remember when the disbelievers devised plans against thee that they might put thee in confinement or slay thee or

    expel thee. And they planned and Allah also planned, and Allah is the Best of planners."

    The Meccans had planned to finish Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islam forever. They had followed the Muslims to Medina and were determined to put an end

    to them there. The defense of the Muslims is what God allowed, nothing more.

    This is clear in the Quran where it says,"[8:39] And fight them until there is no persecution and religion is wholly to Allah. But if they desist, then

    surely Allah is Watchful of what they do."

    That was the true state of affairs when the verses were revealed. They were guidance for prophet Muhammad and the Muslims. They were revealed to guide the

    Muslims in their actions during their trying times of persecution for their religion - Islam.

    Spencer says "Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the

    sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors!"

    Let's see what the Holy Quran says.

    Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 25
    And give glad tidings to those who believe and do good works, that for them are gardens beneath which flow streams. Whenever they are given a portion of

    fruit therefrom, they will say, 'This is what was given us before,' and gifts mutually resembling shall be brought to them. And they will have therein pure

    mates, and therein will they abide.

    Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 44
    Do you enjoin others to do what is good and forget your ownselves, while you read the book? Will you not then understand?

    Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 57
    And We caused the clouds to be a shade over you and sent down on you Manna and Salwa, saying, 'Eat of the good things We have provided for you.' And they

    wronged Us not, but it was themselves that they wronged.

    Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 58
    And remember the time when We said, 'Enter this town and eat therefrom - whatever you will - plentifully; and enter the gate submissively and say, 'God!

    forgive us our sins.' We shall forgive you your sins and We shall give increase to those who do good.'

    Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 62
    Surely, those who believe and the Jews and the Christians and the Sabians - whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and

    does good deeds, shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.

    Chapter : 2 (Al-Baqarah) Verse : 82
    But they who believe and do good works - those are the dwellers of Heaven; therein shall they abide.

    Where is the sword? Nowhere to be found!

    Spencer says,"There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean

    that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."

    Very dramatic. He is a flat out liar, however. The Holy Quran does NOT urge Muslims to value war for its own sake. Nor does the Holy Quran urge Muslims to

    fight just for fighting's sake. War and fighting can be done only to defend ownself in Islam.

  • Islam in Review: Robert Spencer 'Unveils Islam'

    04/18/2005 2:04:14 PM PDT · 18 of 20
    ihashim to derheimwill

    The Holy Quran has NO general instruction to kill. If this were the case, why don't Muslims kill every foreigner in their country as soon as they step on Muslim soil?
    The fact of the matter is the verses in the Quran describe war between those killing Muslims because they were Muslim.
    Muslims were told to defend their themselves. The history of Islam is marked by the Hijra, The Pilgrimage made by Prophet Muhammad to Medina from Mecca to escape death by the Meccans.
    The Meccans pursued the Muslims to Medina and this is when the Muslims were commanded to defend themselves.
    They were persecuted for 13 years in Mecca for no reason other than that they were Muslims. They endured this persecution without lifting an arm.
    The war of Islam is and has always been a defensive war against those who do not allow them to practice their religion or who fight them because they are Muslim.
    The Old Testament verses ARE a general instruction to kil as women, old people and children were all killed. Did babies worship heathen gods?
    Islam does not allow for killing women, old people or children or damaging trees. There are several laws on conduct of war. Salahudeen was a good example to the West of Islamic behavior during war. Of course, the best example was the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself.

  • Does Islam Improve on Christianity?

    04/17/2005 8:26:27 PM PDT · 113 of 113
    ihashim to ihashim
    John 3:16- For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Words of John, not Jesus. Nor of God. Islam does not accept His sacrifice, and requires the Muslim to lie to, enslave or kill those who do not follow its teachings (infidels, which includes Christians and Jews). True Christians pray for the Muslims and all other believers (of other "gods") and non-believers, that they might find their way to salvation through Christ. Wow! I have been missing out. I had better get to work lying and killing the infidels! LOL. If this perversion you put forth had really been Islam, this country would have serious turmoil on a daily basis. Indeed, this country would be like Iraq and Afghanistan. Thank God this is not Islam.
  • Does Islam Improve on Christianity?

    04/16/2005 8:37:43 PM PDT · 111 of 113
    ihashim to JimRed

    1 John 2:18-19
    18 Children, it is the last hour. And as you have heard, "Antichrist is coming," even now many antichrists have come. We know from this that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.

    Christianity was corrupted early on. Its decline in spirituality can be observed by anyone. Vain attempts at propping up the decayed cross are of no avail. Faith without works is dead. This is the crux of the matter. Why show hypocrisy to others by being vain? Christians should practice what their religion teaches. That will make its teachings clear to others beyond a shadow of doubt.

    Matthew 7:3
    Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but don't notice the log in your own eye?

    Obviously people who are hypocritical need to be reformed. The approach of Jesus did not produce a significant following among the Children of Israel, whom he considered his audience. Paul founded the religion practiced by Christians, not Jesus. The perversion of Jesus' teachings are clear. Islam definitely improves on Christianity. Hence the antagonism towards Islam.