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SOmeone mentioned that anti-business and anti-american groups (nations, agencies, KGB, et cetera) spread propaganda that business is destroying the environment, capitalism is destroying the environment, America is destroying the environment. Good stuff.

I'd like very specific examples too though!

Oh my, there is a second page! That is where my replies went.

I'll post in reply to the second page and 1st page resources later...

Jeez... thanks!

I swore I replied...

My opinion is that humans destroying the earth is crap, and greenhouse gases and global warming is not a disastrous issue. I just need the facts and studies to back myself up - just for personal interest (at the moment).

Anyways, thanks for all the replies and resources! Great stuff!

I haven't gone through it all yet, but two questions:

1. How *exactly* do envirowhackos make money on this global warming scheme. It is easy to beat around the bush, but can you guys give some exact examples of corruption?

2. As Crichton pointed out, the ice caps are expanding and the desert is shrinking. How is this the case if the temperature is still rising?

Thank you guys so much for everything.

My opinion is that global warming is crock, but I do not have the numbers and studies to prove it.

So, I read the junkscience article. I need some time to go through all the resources (thanks so much!) but from what I've read, temperatures are going up, though not drastically, and this temperature can be welcomed.

Then why are the artic caps increasing?


I read the junkscience article and crichton's wonderful speech on environmentalism.

On "Black Thursday" the market only dropped 33 points. Anyways, I already know all about the Depression. I'm just wondering about the "Dangers of capitalism" and why is the Roaring 20s industrialization viewed so negatively by liberals. Even high school history books can't deny how great the 20s were.

The market went to shit, no doubt, but it was over time. It was not a crash so drastic that the market simply died, and it did not come out of nowhere. Take a look at newspaper headlines on the Black days and you'll see something about the Smoot-Hawley Act.

Excuse me, I am unfamiliar with the format here.

Quote SunkenCiv:
"clear that the post-WWI pubbie presidents weren't laissez-faire at all, or they wouldn't have tried to "protect" everyone"

Actually, after Wilson we had a strong conservative run. Calvin Coolidge, my personal favorite president (and should be all conservatives' favorite) was extremely conservative and as laissez-faire as you can get. Harding, despite having some personal issues, was also a supreme president that was the last of the no-intereference-federalist-restrictionist presidents. Hoover however, had some fatal flaws and in my opinion, was a democrat.

If you check the track record, they imposed no acts against business (harding and coolidge).

"leading to the bursting of the stock bubble and the 1929 stock market crash."

There was no "crash" at these times, and in relative terms, those "crashes" were pretty mild. Notice also, that these "crashes" coincide directly with the dates the Smoot-Hawley tariff act passed certain legislation (Passed in the House, then Senate, then Presidential approval). That is probably the best example I can think of in the support that the economy reacts immediately, and nothing is slow or gradual (such as those liberal idiots who think we don't have time to wait for the revenues from tax cuts).

So are you against laissez-faire? Your post seems to be all over the place, but excuse me as I am in a rush at the moment. You mentioned that laissez-faire is bad, such as energy industry. Well, if you are really saying that, you must be deluded. Honestly, you come off as alot more knowledgeable than someone who'd say that. I think I can beat your argument in one phrase....

Tennessee Valley Authority.

Have a good day!

Haha, I'm actually reading Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged right now... I know, I'm late.

I saw on her website there was going to be a speech by a representative that conservatives are hurting capitalism - is this for real or is it like the Larry Elders stance where conservatives and liberals are so alike they are both harmful, even if one is slightly better. Anyways, slightly off topic...

So are you guys saying it is all chalked up? That is really the only solution I can come up with in regards to the "terrible conditions" of the early 20th century during industrialization.

I talked to someone about it today, and they said all nations go through this in their industrialization period - hell for workers, good for all - and it ends with the nation being on top, out of the "hell" of industrialization, and a 1st class nation. While he was not expressing hiw own view, just something he heard about (in reference to India and China today), I disagree completely as to that being the reason.

So what are the "Dangers" of total capitalism? There has never been a truly 100% completely free market. The freest this nation may have ever had was the moment Lincoln abolished slavery - but that still isn't even true because he imposed the first ever income tax. Mind you, it was not a true free market beforehand because women couldn't vote, and black people were slaves. The frustration of the abscurity!