Posted on 09/07/2003 6:36:06 PM PDT by nobdysfool
The Christ of Arminianism
The Bible warns us that in the last days in which we live there will be many false Christs-those who claim to be Christ but who are imposters. Jesus said, "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying I am Christ; and shall deceive many." (Matt. 24:4-5). We who profess to be Christians must take heed. We must be very careful that we are not deceived. Our calling is to trust, love, and follow the true Christ and Him only. We may have nothing to do with the false Christs who are so numerous in our day.
We know about the Christ of the cults and other religions. He is a good man, a prophet, the first creation of God, a great spirit, a divine idea, or even a god himself. But he is not true and eternal God. He receives his existence from another who is greater than he. He is not the Christ of the Bible. We are not deceived by this Christ. He is a false Christ.
We know about the Christ of Roman Catholicism. They profess that He is true God. He suffered and died for the forgiveness of sin. He arose again, ascended into heaven, and is coming again. But he is not a complete Savior. The Christ of the Roman Catholics can not save sinners without their own good works and the intercession of priests. He is not the Christ of the Bible. We are not deceived by this Christ. He is a false Christ.
There is, however, another false Christ who is much more dangerous than the Christ of the cults and the Christ of Roman Catholicism. He has deceived people for many years and he continues to deceive millions. This Christ is so dangerous that, if it were not impossible, he would deceive the very elect (Matt. 24:24). He is the Christ of Arminianism.
This false Christ is extremely dangerous because in many ways he appears to be the True Christ. They say that he is true God, equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. They say that he died on the cross to save sinners. They even say that he saves by his grace alone, without the work of man. This Christ will have nothing to do with the Christ of the cults and the Christ of Roman Catholicism.
But watch out! Be warned! The Christ of Arminianism is not the Christ of the Bible. Do not be fooled!
1. The Christ of Arminianism - loves every individual person in the world and sincerely desires their salvation.
The Christ of the Bible - earnestly loves and desires the salvation of only those whom God has unconditionally chosen to salvation. (Ps. 5:5, Ps. 7:11, Ps. 11:5, Matt. 11:27, John 17:9-10, Acts 2:47, Acts 13:48, Rom. 9:10-13, Rom. 9:21-24, Eph. 1:3-4)
2. The Christ of Arminianism - offers salvation to every sinner and does all in his power to bring them to salvation. His offer and work are often frustrated, for many refuse to come.
The Christ of the Bible - effectually calls to Himself only the elect and sovereignly brings them to salvation. Not one of them will be lost. (Isa. 55:11, John 5:21, John 6:37-40, John 10:25-30, John 17:2, Phil. 2:13)
3. The Christ of Arminianism - can not regenerate and save a sinner who does not first choose Christ with his own "free will." All men have a "free will" by which they can either accept or reject Christ. That "free will" may not be violated by Christ.
The Christ of the Bible - sovereignly regenerates the elect sinner apart from his choice, for without regeneration the spiritually dead sinner can not choose Christ. Faith is not man's contribution to salvation but the gift of Christ which He sovereignly imparts in regeneration. (John 3:3, John 6:44 & 65, John 15:16, Acts 11:18, Rom. 9:16, Eph. 2:1,Eph. 2:8-10, Phil. 1:29, Hebr. 12:2)
4. The Christ of Arminianism - died on the cross for every individual person and thereby made it possible for every person to be saved. His death, apart from the choice of man, was not able to actually save anyone for many for whom he died are lost.
The Christ of the Bible - died for only God's elect people and thereby actually obtained salvation for all those for whom He died. His death was a substitutionary satisfaction which actually took away the guilt of His chosen people. (Luke 19:10, John 10:14-15 & 26, Acts 20:28, Rom. 5:10, Eph. 5:25, Hebr. 9:12, I Peter 3:18)
5. The Christ of Arminianism - loses many whom he has "saved" because they do not continue in faith. Even if he does give them "eternal security," as some say, that security is not based upon his will or work but the choice which the sinner made when he accepted Christ.
The Christ of the Bible - preserves His chosen people so that they can not lose their salvation but persevere in the faith to the very end. He preserves them by the sovereign electing will of God, the power of His death, and the mighty working of His Spirit. (John 5:24, John 10:26-29, Rom. 8:29-30, Rom. 8:35-39, I Peter 1:2-5, Jude 24-25)
As you can see, although the Christ of Arminianism and the Christ of the Bible may at first seem to be the same, they are very different. One is a false Christ. The other is the true Christ. One is weak and helpless. He bows before the sovereign "free will" of man. The other is the reigning Lord Who wills what He pleases and sovereignly accomplishes all that He wills.
If you believe and serve the Christ of Arminianism, you must recognize the fact that you do not serve the Christ of the Bible. You have been deceived! Study the Scriptures and learn of the True Christ. Pray for grace to repent and trust Christ as your sovereign
I would expect that as the ALL in scripture means some of all sorts.
According to your "blasphemous religion there is. You are basing what you say on what you "think" the Bible is saying, but it's NOT UP TO YOU TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURE. It is SCRIPTURE that interpret SCRIPTURE, and if one scipture seems to contradict another, then it's because YOU misunderstood it's meaning. God is not a God of Confusion, but of order. Your religion says God is merciful but He isn't to everybody, only to the one He's "Chosen", the rest can go to Hell. God is gracious, but not to everyone, only to the one He's chosen, and rest can go to Hell. He is a loving God, but not to all, just to the ones He's chosen, and the rest can go to Hell! That's what "your Blasphemous, Heretical, Abominable, Apostate religion says. No thanks. I'll stick with the "TRUE" God. The one that says, "For God so loved the "WORLD" (That means EVERYONE) that He gave His only Begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER (that means who ever wants to be saved - It does not say "whosever He chooses", but "WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. (SALVATION)
END OF STORY. PERIOD!!
The only grieving of the spirit taking place was the grieving of your own spirit, because I did not agree with your doctrine and chose to say so. Trying to imply that I grieved the Holy Spirit is you trying to wrap yourself in a cloak of spirituality to avoid admitting that you made a serious error in judgment, and falsely and wrongly impuned my chaaracter, my standing before the Lord, and my credibility before others here, an error which you persist in committing unto this very moment. If I grieved the Holy Spirit, He could and would deal with me directly. Especially after this much time has elapsed, and I have been in prayer every day. You take upon yourself the mantle of "sensitivity" to the Holy Spirit, in order to further your own doctrine at the expense of others. You think to make yourself beyond reproach, because you invoke the Holy Spirit, and accord to anyone who doesn't agree with you the title of "soulish". You are quite a piece of work!
Time for discussion is long past. How long halt thou between two opinions? Will you humble yourself and be restored, or harden yourself and be soulish?
Ahem!!!!! AGAIN: For God so love the WORLD, that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth on Him shall not perish, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. God sent not His Son into the WORLD to condemn the WORLD, but that the WORLD THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED.
That blows your religion out of the water.
I'm going to bed now, and despite my crappy matress I will sleep peacefully. Perhaps when I awaken tomorrow morning (by the grace of God), I will come to find that you've addressed our assertions with Scripture. We've repeatedly backed up our assertions with the Word, and also used the Word to defend against your false notions. Shouting has not added any weight or depth to your arguments, nor have your harsh epithets and insults.
My evaluation of 2 Peter 3:9 stands. I await a reasoned and coherent response, preferably of civil tone.
Good night and God bless, everyone!
You do not know if anyone has been saved here Mack. Remember the words of Paul
1Cr 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who [is] Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Cr 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1Cr 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
1Cr 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
1Cr 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.
Sometimes a comment is recalled or a scripture looked up , the seed is planted..then at a later time some one waters. I have never expected to "save " anyone..But I like to plant seeds that will make men think , I trust God to do as He will .
Remember that His word never returns void it always accomplished that which HE INTENDED .
The doctrinal discussion is in house discussion. We trust that no one here needs to be saved , but we can all benefit from some apologetics and the study we have to do to participate. God is always pleased when we contemplate Him and His work .
Well, that does it... we have nothing more to discuss....webber says it's done....:o)
Not!
Absorption is painless..just relax ...your eyes are getting very heavy.....................
Joshua, when he was speaking to the tribes of Israel: "Choose you this day whom ye shall serve; as for me and my house, we shall serve the LORD!
If man cannot choose to be "saved", then he can neither choose to "serve" the LORD for they are the same, but Joshua says "Choose".
Which just throws your religion down the toilet.
You have an unhealthy obsession with toilets. That's an altogether different kind of 'transubstantiation.'
OK, I'm really leaving this time. 'Night!
Oh my maybe it was MY eyes that are getting heavy:>)..........ohhhhhh well I am going to stop the swinging pocket watch and go to bed..We will get you tomorrow..............It is predestined......:>)
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