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To: RnMomof7
"Is there disunity among the Godhead? Are the First and Second Persons of the Trinity in disagreement over desire, intent and purpose? How do you explain such contradictions, webber?"

According to your "blasphemous religion there is. You are basing what you say on what you "think" the Bible is saying, but it's NOT UP TO YOU TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURE. It is SCRIPTURE that interpret SCRIPTURE, and if one scipture seems to contradict another, then it's because YOU misunderstood it's meaning. God is not a God of Confusion, but of order. Your religion says God is merciful but He isn't to everybody, only to the one He's "Chosen", the rest can go to Hell. God is gracious, but not to everyone, only to the one He's chosen, and rest can go to Hell. He is a loving God, but not to all, just to the ones He's chosen, and the rest can go to Hell! That's what "your Blasphemous, Heretical, Abominable, Apostate religion says. No thanks. I'll stick with the "TRUE" God. The one that says, "For God so loved the "WORLD" (That means EVERYONE) that He gave His only Begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER (that means who ever wants to be saved - It does not say "whosever He chooses", but "WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. (SALVATION)

END OF STORY. PERIOD!!

283 posted on 09/08/2003 8:52:30 PM PDT by webber
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To: webber
Calm down and please stop shouting. Please define blasphemy a bit more clearly.
285 posted on 09/08/2003 8:54:49 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: webber
If you quote me and answer my words with such bold accusations, please do me the courtesy of copying me on the post:)

I'm going to bed now, and despite my crappy matress I will sleep peacefully. Perhaps when I awaken tomorrow morning (by the grace of God), I will come to find that you've addressed our assertions with Scripture. We've repeatedly backed up our assertions with the Word, and also used the Word to defend against your false notions. Shouting has not added any weight or depth to your arguments, nor have your harsh epithets and insults.

My evaluation of 2 Peter 3:9 stands. I await a reasoned and coherent response, preferably of civil tone.

Good night and God bless, everyone!

289 posted on 09/08/2003 9:03:00 PM PDT by Frumanchu (mene mene tekel upharsin)
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To: lockeliberty; CCWoody; Dr. Eckleburg; drstevej; Wrigley; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; CARepubGal; ...
END OF STORY. PERIOD!!

Well, that does it... we have nothing more to discuss....webber says it's done....:o)

Not!

291 posted on 09/08/2003 9:05:33 PM PDT by nobdysfool (All men are born Arminians...the Christian ones that grow up become Calvinists...)
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To: webber; nobdysfool
According to your "blasphemous religion there is. You are basing what you say on what you "think" the Bible is saying, but it's NOT UP TO YOU TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURE. It is SCRIPTURE that interpret SCRIPTURE, and if one scipture seems to contradict another, then it's because YOU misunderstood it's meaning.

Weber you cherry picked a verse and wanted to proof text with it. I am sorry that you see no value in reading the scripture in context.

God is not a God of Confusion, but of order. Your religion says God is merciful but He isn't to everybody, only to the one He's "Chosen", the rest can go to Hell.

Does God send the men he loves to hell? Your religion does not believe He is Merciful to ALL men does it?

God is gracious, but not to everyone, only to the one He's chosen, and rest can go to Hell.

God is holy and Just. But you do not get to decide what His justice should be. He does that .

He is a loving God, but not to all, just to the ones He's chosen, and the rest can go to Hell!

God loves al his creations, He gives all His general grace. But God does not OWE any man salvation . He does not have to meet webber's criteria. You do not get to make the plan of savlavtion. That was decided before the foundation of the earth

That's what "your Blasphemous, Heretical, Abominable, Apostate religion says. No thanks. I'll stick with the "TRUE" God. The one that says, "For God so loved the "WORLD" (That means EVERYONE) that He gave His only Begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER (that means who ever wants to be saved - It does not say "whosever He chooses", but "WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. (SALVATION)

Webber will all men be saved? What about the men that will never hear the gospel and never have the "choice"

I know this may upset you , but unregenerate men do not WANT to come . Only those that the Father draws will want to come

Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:and I will raise him up at the last day.

  Jhn 6:65   And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Mat 16:17   And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

So Webber I send you off to bed with a new understanding .Jesus will save all men that come to Him. But the only ones that will comes were drawn by the Father with His grace. No man is restrained from coming. All may come if they will . But only those that the Father ends will come . Jesus said it and I believe it .That my friend is our basic disagreement.

309 posted on 09/08/2003 9:39:37 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Saved by Grace,Calvinist by choice.)
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