[yonif]

Ping.

[AdmSmith]

Ping

[RRWCC]

The responses that you get to this one should be interesting. Everytime I speak any opposition to the sacred cow of evolution the place erupts. I expect you find out (from the responses) that this is some kind of plot by some strange Jewish - Christian alliance.

[epluribus_2]

or four:

4. We may actually have no idea what happened.

[Noachian]

I've always wondered where the material came from to make the bang. Every time I ask someone with a scientific background I get a less than complete answer.

Actually no one seems to know. How could they? No one saw it.

So, what we have is a Big Bang Religion among the very big-brained people who pooh pooh religion.

I find that ironic.

[Heyworth]

Einstein tenaciously refused to acknowledge Hubble's work. He continued teaching the static model for five more years, until, at Hubble's request, he traveled from Berlin to Pasadena to personally examine the evidence. At the trip's conclusion, Einstein reluctantly admitted, "New observations by Hubble ... make it appear likely that the general structure of the universe is not static."

Coincidentally, I was actually up at the Mt. Wilson observatory yesterday (the only place you could get above the marine layer overcast blanketing L.A. for the last month). There's a catwalk over a gully going to the observatory itself, and in the middle of it is a small placard with a photo of Einstein, Hubble, and some others standing on that very spot.

[lilylangtree]

Listened to Chuck Missler via radio this a.m. when he started a new topic of refuting scientific studies that indicate there is no God by using scientific studies to indicate there is a God. Pretty persuasive information.

[Prof Engineer]

ping

[Physicist]

This model proposes a paradox: Objects at rest -- like the initial singularity -- remain at rest unless acted upon by an outside force; and yet, since the initial dot contained all matter and energy, nothing (at least, nothing natural) existed outside of this singularity that could have caused it to explode.

Illegitimate premise: Everything I've ever seen is to the north of something, thus there must be something to the south of the south pole.

The simplest resolution of the paradox is to posit that something supernatural kicked the universe into being. The open model of the universe thus implies a supernatural Creator -- a God.

God is the biggest assumption you can make, not the smallest. Saying "God" may be a short answer, but a simple one? Only to a simpleton.

[onedoug]

Modern particle physics and cosmology seem perfectly consistent with Torah to me.

[LiteKeeper]

YEC SPOTREP

[MattAMiller]

I'm sorry but the Big Bang does not prove the existence of God.

[HighWheeler]

"The Big Bang and the Big Question: A Universe without God?"

Stupid premise.

The title implies that the Big Bang couldn't have been created by God.

[The Magical Mischief Tour]

[showme_the_Glory]

Based of the facts that one theory ends in death, and one perpetuates life, I choose life. Thank you Jesus.

[VRWC_minion]

"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
⁵ Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?

[Capitalism2003]

I think theory #3 is correct, and was proven several months ago. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Van Jenerette]

Both Risen Apes and Fallen Angles have an origin. Whether a big or little bang answers the question of that origin is in the end relative only to the size of the universe.

No matter how much knowledge we gain, Doubt is central to Faith because until the end of time, man will remain the only creature who has the power to define himself for himself.

Things would be so much easier if Eve had never bit the apple...Knowledge and choice can be cruel masters.

[VRWC_minion]

Faith, Hope and Love. The greatest of these 3 is Love.

The big three that supply a stumbling block to rational explanations.

[AntiGuv]

One does not require 'permission' within science to believe in God; one simply chooses to believe for no particular reason whatsoever. There is no evidence to my knowledge that establishes the existence of any deities, so if one wishes to believe in such things, then the realm of science is irrelevant.

As I remarked quite some while ago on FR, the Judeo-Christian-Islamic perception of an infinitely omnipotent & benevolent deity is simply illogical. If an omnipotent deity were infinitely holy, then there would exist no evil with which It could find offense.... In my estimation, there are only eight resolutions to this paradox, none of which appear acceptable to contemporary Christian consciousness. In no particular order:

1) A dualist deity

2) A limited deity

3) Multiple deities

4) A capricious deity

5) An irrational deity

6) An indifferent deity

7) No deity

8) A dead deity...

Whatever the case, for all practical intents, further inquiry into God's nature appears inconsequential for all practical purposes.

PS. One might also posit that evil does not exist as a universal, absolute principle outside of our own value judgments. Everything which happens is accordant to the designs or wishes of such a deity, which finds it all 'good' in Its regard.