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Cardinal Egan Shuts Down Exorcism Ministry in NY Archdiocese ?!?!?
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Posted on 02/03/2003 2:31:53 PM PST by Polycarp

Cardinal Egan Shuts Down Exorcism Ministry in NY Archdiocese

This just in from Mark Shea's web log:

Goodbye to NY Exorcists

I'm told by sources that Cdl. Egan is shutting down the ministry of exorcism in New York. Dunno why. It does sort of seem to me like getting rid of all the fire extinguishers in a burning building in order to cut costs. I suspect bureaucrats with little pastoral experience (like Egan) just don't really believe in the reality of spiritual warfare and view the office as rather lurid and dramatic (and a waste of money). I hope his successor wises up and reinstitutes the office. It's not for nothing that Cardinal O'Connor appointed these guys. The devil is real, as this past year should have made clear to Cdl. Egan.

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To: Maximilian; BlackElk
Father Fiore will be remembered in our family rosary each night.
61 posted on 02/04/2003 5:08:08 PM PST by Siobhan (+ Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet +)
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To: perform_to_strangers
If it was a part of the Mass before VatII, would they have heard it only in Latin and therefore not caught it?

Sancte Michael Archangele, defende nos in proelio. Contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli esto praesidium. Imperit illi Deus, supplices deprecamur; tuque, Princeps militiae celestis, Satanam aliosque spiritus malignos, qui ad perditionem animarum pervagantur in mundo, divina virtute in infernum detrude. Amen.

Why wouldn't they have caught it?

I really don't think that Latin was anywhere near the stumbling block it's sometimes presented as.
62 posted on 02/04/2003 5:24:46 PM PST by dsc
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To: Maximilian
Does anyone know how a person would write to Father Gabriel Amorth, the official exorcist of Rome, whether writing in English would be acceptable, and whether a letter would be likely to be read?
63 posted on 02/04/2003 5:27:44 PM PST by dsc
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To: dsc
Does anyone know how a person would write to Father Gabriel Amorth

I'm sorry, I can't be any particular help. But try the web page which I previously linked. Even if they don't have direct link to Fr. Amorth, they may be able to forward something to him.

64 posted on 02/04/2003 6:16:45 PM PST by Maximilian
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To: dsc
I don't know what registers high on the Vatican scandal-meter anymore.
65 posted on 02/04/2003 7:17:00 PM PST by Scupoli
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To: Maximilian; BlackElk
Tonight's rosary has been offered for Fr. Fiore.
66 posted on 02/04/2003 8:18:33 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
Mine was as well.
67 posted on 02/04/2003 10:05:40 PM PST by american colleen (Christe Eleison!)
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To: Land of the Irish
Thank you for Fr. Fiore.
68 posted on 02/05/2003 6:51:33 AM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey)
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To: All
Thank you for Fr. Fiore.
69 posted on 02/05/2003 7:02:01 AM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey)
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To: ThomasMore
For an abbreviated explanation try here

Thank you, Thomas More; my education continues.

70 posted on 02/05/2003 9:15:05 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: TotusTuus
9 on the heresy richter scale, compared to a 6 for the Protestant Reformation. Reason for the strongly repetitive Trinitarian prayers used in the Liturgies of St. John Chrysostom and St. Basil the Great used by the Eastern Rites.

Thank you, TotusTuus. If you took a look at our American bishops, collectively, and averaged their beliefs together, what would their rating on the heresy scale be today, in your opinion? The reason I ask is that I've been confronted with incredible things in recent years (apart from the homosexual molestation scandal and the Church hierarchy's response to it). As an example, last year my parish priest told me that he didn't believe Christ was born of a virgin, because that would have dampened people's understanding of the holiness of sexuality. More recently, I've found a number of things in our son's catechetical Confirmation materials which disturb me. But these are just two of many, many such things.

71 posted on 02/05/2003 9:19:33 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: sandyeggo
Then you both surprise me, also with no criticism intended. How is it that a so-called neo-Catholic like me has been saying this prayer regularly since childhood (so have never lost it) and yet it is brand new to you, yendu bwam, and relatively new to you Max? That is surprising, unless either of you might be converts.

I was a non-practicing and non-believing Catholic until age 18, sandyeggo. And then one day, for my own information, I read a book on the world's religions. It rekindled my interest in Christ's words, and (by the power of the Holy Spirit, I am sure), I picked up the Bible and read the Book of Matthew from start to finish. At that moment, I realized I was reading God's truth. It was so beautiful, so perfect, so right, so loving, so selfless, so Godly, so totally and completely good. My life completely changed that day. I give thanks every day that that be so.

72 posted on 02/05/2003 9:23:27 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: sandyeggo
The prayer to St. Michael is a powerful prayer for a powerful angel, and I hope it brings you comfort now that you know of it.

It already has, sandyeggo. Thanks for your comments!

75 posted on 02/05/2003 1:14:28 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Scupoli; Polycarp
I don't have time to scroll down to see all the comments, but I just want you to know that this recent priest scandal all started because sealed court records were obtained by a reporter at the Hartford Courant. These documents show Egan in a very poor light--sort of like Cdnl. Law--stonewalling, denying, shuffling the perverts to other parishes...This man is id'ed as a "conservative" in the press, but, trust me, HE'S NOT. I have personal knowledge of this.
76 posted on 02/05/2003 6:29:53 PM PST by attagirl
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To: attagirl
Thanks. Wasn't Egan an auxiliary bishop in Law's diocese? Why hasn't he been exposed like Law?
77 posted on 02/05/2003 6:38:07 PM PST by Scupoli
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To: Scupoli
Egan was the bishop of Bridgeport before assuming his present duties in NY. Before that he worked in the NYC archdiocese as an auxiliary bishop.

I don't know why he hasn't gotten more heat--but then, the pervert priests under his leadership didn't come close to being anywhere near as outrageous as Fr. Paul Shanley.

Bishop Egan has been very very quiet in this whole affair.

I might add he's highly intelligent and well educated.

78 posted on 02/05/2003 9:44:01 PM PST by attagirl
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To: yendu bwam
If you took a look at our American bishops, collectively, and averaged their beliefs together, what would their rating on the heresy scale be today, in your opinion?

Oh geez, I don't know....

Maybe there is a corollary in here somewhere. During the period of the Arian heresy, large groups of people were baptized without knowing what the Faith was all about. Arianism was a heresy that concerned THE central mystery of Christianity, namely, the Blessed Trinity - that the One True God is the Eternal Father and His only-begotten and Eternal Son and the Holy Spirit. Arianism tried to "naturalize" (under Gnostic influence) this Divine mystery by subordinating the Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit to the Father such that only the Father is really God, and the Son and Holy Spirit in essence are creatures. Our Faith then completely falls apart.

Just about all the bishops in the East were for Arius. The Pope wasn't. Case closed.

Today? In America? I understand that Western Europe is much worse. The concept of baptized unbelievers has been raised by Cardinal Ratzinger.

Hopefully, newer Orders and seminarians and bishops - and us, the laity - will renew the Church here in America to orthodoxy in the Faith. Maybe the Church is in a process of "weeding out" right now so that it will be smaller but stronger in the future - stronger to re-evangelize the world and America.

As an example, last year my parish priest told me that he didn't believe Christ was born of a virgin, because that would have dampened people's understanding of the holiness of sexuality.

Not only is your priest wrong, he has it backwards. The holiness of sexuality is highlighted in virginity when practiced properly in context of the virtue of chastity. It is precisely in our failure as a Church to teach and live chastity and the other virtues that sexuality (as a function of Love) loses it's holiness and ability to generate not only physical life, but spiritual sacramental life as well.

I think it is fair to say that heterodox teachings and the scandals that have come out this past year are clearly linked. Holiness is, and always has been, the issue. Members of the Church, clergy and laity, lack it today and have been deceived to ignore it. Give the devil his due. Mediocrity and banality have become many a Catholic's ideals for the Church (the Liturgy, for example). These lead quickly to indifference, and I think that is where most of the "non practicing" Catholics I meet and know are at. They never really have been taught or learned the Faith in an orderly manner and slowly drift away on the changing winds of the time and secular society. Hence, their only reflections on the Church are in terms of political structures complete with all the various social agendas out there. I believe this is the real damage being done to the Church by the attacks of satan. All of society, the world in fact, is affected. If this continues, the situation could become much worse before getting better. Many reported apparitions of recent times do talk of possible coming chastisements.

Right now, I don't know, overall, a 2.5-3.0 on the richter scale? Could quickly get worse, but then again, there is a new younger generation coming up. Many in this generation are, for all practical purposes, no longer Catholic and need to be evangelized. The ones that remain in the Church are excited and orthodox and will take the challenge of Grace and Holiness to the world. My hope is in them. The scandals of late can be a blessing in disguise to straighten the Church out. Just my reflections.

Overall, it is hard to tell because the heretical influences are not uniform across the land. I've been around what I consider "liberal" priests and nuns, but not nearly to the point you describe. With them wasting so much time on silly agendas that are not shared by the vast majority of Americans and depending on gimmicks to try and excite people, particularly the younger generation, they don't have time, or rather are scared because it might offend, to teach and practice the deep spiritual treasures of our Faith coming from our Lord. They give homilies which, while not heretical, would not offend the ACLU if given at a public school. It's as if you have to give yourself a mental lobotemy and become a dense little child in Church to not offend them with their games.

The Faith begins at home, the domestic Church, if you will. Make sure you teach and practice your Faith as a witness to your children and allow them to respectfully understand why Father X and Sister Y are wrong in saying this and that and in doing that and this. Pray with them. It sounds like as they grow older, it is going to have to be your orthodox witness which sustains and leads them to the correct 'Way'.

79 posted on 02/06/2003 12:25:32 PM PST by TotusTuus (...Most Holy and Blessed Trinity, One in substance and undivided.)
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To: TotusTuus
Hopefully, newer Orders and seminarians and bishops - and us, the laity - will renew the Church here in America to orthodoxy in the Faith. Maybe the Church is in a process of "weeding out" right now so that it will be smaller but stronger in the future - stronger to re-evangelize the world and America.

The Church cannot be in bed with society, and still be authentically Catholic. I would take smaller any day, if in return we could have priests and bishops who courageously proclaim authentic Catholicism. For many years, I have noticed a great stress placed on 'numbers' - how many parishioners, how much money, how many Catholics in the country, etc. This is a terrible mistake, and gives many bishops the idea that success is based on such. Better to boldly proclaim the faith, and let the numbers take care of themselves. The other huge problem, of course, is those in leadership positions who hold heretical ideas. This is particularly vicious in the area of sexual morality - and is one of the prime reasons the Church is suffering from the incredible cancer of homosexual molestation of teenage boys. When I see, from another thread, that 42 Catholic colleges will, this year, allow the play 'Vagina Monologues' to be shown, in which lesbian sex and teenage (lesbisn) molestation are glorified, I know that if we are on the way to a renewed orthodoxy (I hope), it has only just begun.

80 posted on 02/06/2003 2:20:10 PM PST by yendu bwam
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