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WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE[AtThisTime] PRAY IN TONGUES
Meri Burlingame's AP list ^ | 16 SEP 2002 | Chris Strom [of Andrew Strom]

Posted on 09/16/2002 10:45:34 AM PDT by Quix

WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES"
Meri Burlingame
Sep 16, 2002

Chris Strom

From: "Chris Strom" Date sent: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:48:45 +1200

"WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES"
- by C. Strom. [-My father. -Andrew.]

I was woken early this morning by the "noise" of my spirit shouting silently in tongues. (Nothing can shout as loud as when silently praying in tongues!) Over this prayer was the clear message in English:

"WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES."

As I continued to pray I felt the following things:

(1) To alert as many people as possible to this message. That it wasn't just for me.

(2) That the battle is spiritual, not physical. That if we Christians win the battle spiritually, the physical battle will not be necessary (2Chron 20).

(3) That the same negative spiritual power that was behind Nebuchadnezzar is behind Saddam Hussein. First we must bind this strong man in the background before his puppet, the strong man in the foreground will equally submit and allow his goods to be spoiled.

(4) In practical terms: we must win the prayer battle before that spiritual power will allow Saddam to submit to the unqualified unrestricted viewing of all sites essential to prevent war.

(5) That tongues is essential. That we cannot possibly pray accurately enough in sufficient detail in English to accomplish this depth of intercession.

(6) To especially draw Christians' attention to 1 Thess 5:17,19:

Pray without ceasing...Quench not the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit will continue to pray in tongues through us (Acts 2:4) so long as we continue to co-operate with Him in this urgent occupation. Don't let other preoccupations quench Him, as can so easily happen.

(7) That fasting acts as an intensifier. Fasting amplifies the prayer. That any form of fasting is better than no fasting at all. Fasting from TV, or partial fasting, for instance. If you can't pray because of work but can fast, remember that "fasting is your whole body praying."

(8) Finally, that things would never have got this bad if only Christians had prayed. Far too many Christians are sidetracked on other good things and are neglecting the essential of prayer. Far too many intercessors are stuck on receiving revelation before praying when we already have the supernatural weapon par excellence of Holy Spirit gifted tongues. Pray without ceasing! Literal Greek: Pray without a pause!

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TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: intercession; iraq; nebuchadnezzar; prayer; saddamh; spiritualbattle; wwiii
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To: BibChr
You COULD approach being funny.

But I suspect starchy, fossilized, sterile addiction to THE LAW prevents full blown being funny.

I think I'll let you rumminate in your own shrinking box. . . and pray that God blows the sides out sooner than later.

If one of my cohorts wishes to comply with your request, they would have my blessing. I know in my heart and spirit the solidness of my Biblical foundation. I know in my heart and spirit the vibrancy of my walk with God and the focus on Him my listening for His voice entails.

I have used the Bible as a teddy bear even in college. I have enormous respect for The Word. Perhaps that's one reason I tire so quickly of sharing treasured Scriptures with you. You appear to have no ears to hear what God might try to TELL you, SPEAK TO YOU about those Scriptures. And if God won't break through that brick wall, who am I to try so hard.
81 posted on 09/16/2002 6:19:17 PM PDT by Quix
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To: RnMomof7
Good post.
82 posted on 09/16/2002 6:22:58 PM PDT by zadok
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To: RnMomof7
It APPEARS to me that you know relatively little about relationships.

Certainly "it" is not about me per se. He is all in all and the most encompassing "all" we can conceive of.

Yet, the paradox is HE chose to die for me. . . and as the old saying goes--would have were I the only one. . . . and HE would leave the 90 & 9 to go searching for me.

HE has been the one to define, set up, facilitate, woo, etc. etc. a dialogue, a relationship with me. I'm not about to tarnish that by even pretending HE's a disingenuous trickster only pretending to have a meaningful dialogue, dance, RELATIONSHIP with me.

The relationship I see between Him and Moses, Him and John The Beloved and others is exceedingly congruent with what I've learned about relationships. Certainly HE knows how to have the paragon relationship.

You can define and construe the life right out of such a relationship potential if you wish. You can spread sterility far and wide in your brand of theology. But I prefer to avoid that path. It smacks more to me of the pharisees and sadusees than I shrudder to think about.

83 posted on 09/16/2002 6:32:15 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix; zadok; nobdysfool
HE has been the one to define, set up, facilitate, woo, etc. etc. a dialogue, a relationship with me. I'm not about to tarnish that by even pretending HE's a disingenuous trickster only pretending to have a meaningful dialogue, dance, RELATIONSHIP with me.

You tarnish it when you say your will is stronger than His grace

I am sorry you think that a right relationship between the King of Kings and the LORD of LORDS with you is for you to be in control of the 'relationship'

Luk 5:8 When Simon Peter saw [it], he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.

THAT is the correct attitude...not "let me tell you what I think God"....

Only one can be Lord..eithor Him or you

84 posted on 09/16/2002 6:44:26 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
DO YOU ENJOY PUTTING WORDS IN OTHERS' FINGERS?

Posted by RnMomof7 to Quix; zadok; nobdysfool
On Religion ^ Sep 16 6:44 PM #84 of 84

HE has been the one to define, set up, facilitate, woo, etc. etc. a dialogue, a relationship with me. I'm not about to tarnish that by even pretending HE's a disingenuous trickster only pretending to have a meaningful dialogue, dance, RELATIONSHIP with me.

You tarnish it when you say your will is stronger than His grace

I SAID NOTHING OF THE KIND.
I IMPLIED NOTHING OF THE KIND
I MEANT NOTHING OF THE KIND.
I WANTED NOTHING OF THE KIND.

I don't enjoy you putting such grossly inaccurate words in my fingers.

I am sorry you think that a right relationship between the King of Kings and the LORD of LORDS with you is for you to be in control of the 'relationship'

I SAID NOTHING OF THE KIND.
I IMPLIED NOTHING OF THE KIND.
I MEANT NOTHING OF THE KIND.
I WANTED NOTHING OF THE KIND.

Luk 5:8 When Simon Peter saw [it], he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.

I wonder if you've ever had an experience similar to the Old Testament prophet who saw Him high and lifted up . . . and knew to the depths of his last subatomic particle that he was a man of unclean lips. Oh, I forgot, of course you haven't. YOU don't ALLOW God to facilitate His relationship with you through dramatic, supernatural or any other kind of experience except the experience of pontificating about words printed on a page.

In any case, IF you'd ever had such an experience, perhaps you'd have begun to comprehend some hint of my attitude and stance before my Lord and God. Until then, your ignorance is grossly showing. It's amazing how much you presume about me. I suspect you presume similarly about God. Yet you accuse me. Fascinating. THAT is the correct attitude...not "let me tell you what I think God".... YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW LESS THAN ZILCH ABOUT MY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. Only one can be Lord..eithor Him or you

PRAISE GOD FOR THAT. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I DARE NOT INSULT HIS DESIGN OF OUR RELATIONSHIP BY EVEN BEGINNING TO CONSTRUE IT AS YOU DO. And here I thought you could at least have some perceptiveness and discernment about me. Boy was I wrong . . . dreadfully and shockingly wrong. But then given how you construe your relationship with God, perhaps I need to extend more grace as it is likely you are relationship challenged.

85 posted on 09/16/2002 7:05:50 PM PDT by Quix
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To: zadok
We are not morally superior to the taliban.

All men are fallen; none deserves God's blessings.

But on a graduated scale, we are morally superior to the taliban, abortionists notwithstanding.

Discernment counts.

86 posted on 09/16/2002 7:10:58 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Quix
You are wrong I fell on my face in front of a Holy God..and what I knew then , but took me years to admit, it was ALL Him

When you says "relationship" do you mean you mean that 1) you can refuse anything that God has planned? 2) That you can manipulate or change Gods will or plan with your prayers

Relationship has to be in proper order...the order between God and man is creator and creature...King and subject...Lord and servant...it is not a co equal relationship...do you agree?

87 posted on 09/16/2002 7:16:20 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Quix
I know in my heart and spirit the solidness of my Biblical foundation

I've long noted that the volume and expansiveness of such claims seems to expand in direct proportion to the lack of demonstration of their veracity.

As in your postings.

Dan

88 posted on 09/16/2002 7:17:02 PM PDT by BibChr
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To: Quix
I experienced ecstasy unexpectedly once, while praying with a group of saints in English at bible study. One smidgen of that heavenly bread lasts a lifetime. If someone has never had it, you can't tell them what it's like. It happens. If they are like Thomas -- there's nothing you can say to them.
89 posted on 09/16/2002 7:26:43 PM PDT by JesseShurun
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To: Quix
When He escalates the demonstration of the supernatural as He is definitely scheduled to do--all kinds of petty arguments will fall lifeless in the dust. Stay tuned

Amen, brother!

90 posted on 09/16/2002 7:30:19 PM PDT by nobdysfool
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To: Mahone
It might be nice if you first knew what you were talking about before making such silly statements. You usually are right on, but you are in left field on this one!

Not so. We've been embroiled in the midst of a very lively discussion about amill beliefs, and she is being a bit sarcastic, but is not off base. I happen to share her viewpoint.

91 posted on 09/16/2002 7:36:07 PM PDT by nobdysfool
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To: zadok
Who is the greater enemy? Ourselves, or the muslim terrorists?

2 Chron. 7:14 "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."

That is the only answer that will work. If we trust in armies, we are trusting in the arm of the flesh. We are citizens of another Kingdom, and our allegience should be to it, not our country of birth. The answer is not patriotism, it's repentence. This war will be won on our knees, not on a battlefield.

92 posted on 09/16/2002 7:50:10 PM PDT by nobdysfool
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
We are all equal before The Cross.

There are benefits from saying YES! to Almighty God.

One might could say--incremental benefits depending upon one's depth and comprehensiveness of his YES! to God.

Utter surrender as a Love "slave" of The King of Kings and Lord of Lords entails sharing HIS inheritance. Not a bad exchange at all.

Worshipping a demon moon god has no comparison.

I'd probably agree that discernment ACTED on responsibly as led by Holy Spirit can count a lot.

Overcoming by The Blood of The Lamb counts a lot

But Salvation by accepting His Blood is an equality before The Cross thing, IMHO.

Enduring suffering by His grace and Strength; sacrificial servant-heartedness; Loving Him wholly and others as myself--those sorts of things result in bearing a "greater weight of Glory" in eternity as rulers and reigners with Him.

Yeah, marching with our moral compass attuned to His Heart makes a LOT of difference.
93 posted on 09/16/2002 8:18:19 PM PDT by Quix
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To: BibChr
THANKFULLY, I HAVE A HIGHER JUDGE than you.

And THANKFULLY, He knows full well what He wrote and what He meant.

And He knows full well how far along HE has brought me in conforming me to the image of His Son--and how much further I have to go--a goodly distance it seems to lil ol me.
94 posted on 09/16/2002 8:20:43 PM PDT by Quix
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To: RnMomof7
Prayer often violates someones free will how do you renconcile that ?

Do you REALLLLLLLLLY THINK ALMIGHTY GOD has a hard time deciding what HIS priorities are among so many requests, issues, concerns??? The One who has all our hairs on all our heads numbered and knows when a sparrow falls?h

I'm reminded of very spiritual parents of a large brood of kids. Certainly at times the kids would have conflicting requests. Given that the parents spent a great deal of time in prayer considering their busy-ness--they often had very wise, Spirit-led solutions that met the needs of all their children fittingly by turns.

I'm sure God is infinitely better at that than these parents were.

What of the man that wants to die....the woman that enjoys her illness becuse she likes the attention? what of the man that does not want to be saved?..What if your prayer violates Gods plan??

Of course I seek to pray according to "God's plan"--which is all the easier cooperating with Holy Spirit praying, attaching the most fitting meaning to my "tongues" and "groanings" from the deepest heart strings within me direct to the throne of my Almighty Father.

But assuming that in some level of ignorance I pray ascew, I'm sure God has NOT the slightest trouble adjusting His response in the perfectly fitting ways accordingly. . . and probably in the process lovingly teaching me to pray more in step with His Spirit.

These questions seem beneath that of some 3rd graders I've known. I'm amazed you use them.

95 posted on 09/16/2002 8:30:25 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"But on a graduated scale, we are morally superior to the taliban, abortionists notwithstanding."

I respectfully disagree. As a nation we may be better at hiding our wickedness, but we are guilty of the same sins.

96 posted on 09/16/2002 8:32:25 PM PDT by zadok
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To: RnMomof7
Of course The King of Kings and Lord of Lords; Almighty God The Father; Precious Holy Spirit . . . SUPREME!!!

It is an awesome, priceless, infinite honor to be a Love-slave to My Lord and King.

HE IS THE ONE WHO LIFTS ME UP AND SAYS--BE MY FRIEND; BE MY BRIDE; BE MY JOINT HEIR.

I suppose you could refuse such a relationship. You could insist that you still prefer to clean out the septic tank and scrub the toilets instead of dance with Him.

I'd think it exceedingly insulting to Almighty God to do so, however. . . . not to mention pretty high on the stupid scale, too.

97 posted on 09/16/2002 8:35:15 PM PDT by Quix
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To: BibChr
I've long noted that the volume and expansiveness of such claims seems to expand in direct proportion to the lack of demonstration of their veracity.

Ahhhhhh and how many 1000's of observations do you have on my demonstrations? . . . even on my claims? . . . Ahhh the postings. Such a minute microcosm.

How interesting that you judge so harshly from such little evidence. And you are claiming to be the son of my Father? That's odd. That doesn't seem like Him. Perhaps you've been in a far country under some other mentor. Perhaps your emotions are speaking too loudly from your limited experiences.

98 posted on 09/16/2002 8:39:38 PM PDT by Quix
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To: RnMomof7
Those of us pret/postmills would say the same, but beyond 'fine' the best is yet to come! I'll pray, but I'm also homeschooling two (and hopefully more) children as covenant believers; working with and teaching my congregations to save, work, pray, labor and transform the world around them for Christ's glory, in short to be obedient to the dominion mandate and believe God's Word that Christ is victorious, Christ is King and Christ conquers all things. I'll leave the praying in 'tongues' to bind the strong man to my charismatic sistren and brethren.
99 posted on 09/16/2002 8:42:13 PM PDT by PresbyRev
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To: JesseShurun
I experienced ecstasy unexpectedly once, while praying with a group of saints in English at bible study. One smidgen of that heavenly bread lasts a lifetime. If someone has never had it, you can't tell them what it's like. It happens. If they are like Thomas -- there's nothing you can say to them.

I know. You are quite right. But I'm not primarily speaking to the deaf anyway. People often see and hear better when they evesdrop or lurk.

What's been persistently amazing to me is the number of believers--especially in foreign lands--who "stumble" onto tongues and other ecstatic EXPERIENCES totally independently led of Holy Spirit.

Some even have and know minimal Bible. Some have ONLY the Bible and just take it at face value for what it says and try in their humble, child-like way to apply it. And BOOM, GOD ALMIGHTY BREAKS THROUGH TO THIS TIME AND SPACE IN THEIR INTERESTS IN LOVING RESPONSE TO THEIR PRAYERS AND THE DESIRES OF THEIR HEART--often down to very petty detail levels. What an Awesome God!

100 posted on 09/16/2002 8:43:20 PM PDT by Quix
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