Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
You need to read my posts more closely. I answered that at least twice (i believe), the last time in 65196.
I havent been involved in any way with those who are still teaching Armstrongs ideas for over 30 years now, but if I found a couple of truths have withstood the test of time, then should I throw them out, and replaced them with a belief that just doesnt stick even if I would prefer them because they are more easily accepted by others?
Recently, this thread has dealt with those who wont accept Jesus Christ as the begotten Son of God, those who condemn you for not going back under the law, and most here have been patient and understanding with them, but Doug differs in a small mater, the make up of Christ body after His resurrection, and everyone goes ballistic.
I see a pattern developing here that worries me.
RNMom, you seem to have a personal vendetta against Doug, and I remember not long ago when you were floating between Churches and were considering one that was into keeping the law, and I was concerned for you.
drstevej, you may not be aware of it, but Doug was searching for Christ when he began posting here and later he made his decision and was baptized. Hopefully after that, his idea of humor has changed since becoming a child of God, and one who will eventually be in Gods kingdom.
Most here should know I have disagreed with him many times, and on many matters, but Ive never doubted his sincerity, nor have I seen any rudeness in him.
I really believe many of the attacks have become personal, and I dont understand why. He has contributed many enjoyable post, and is an essential part of our discussions here. He deserves your respect and love if you have any real truths to share, not what youve demonstrated lately.
JH
Doug you are the one that has a reading comprehension problem
You want glory to mean a spiritual Body ..but that is not what the Greek word for Glory means,
You miss the meaning of almost every scripture because you read them with Armstrong eyes ..completely without discernment.
BTW I think it is funny you had to use the worse translation ever done to make your point..and even with that you can not change the meaning of Glory ,,
Doxa | 2:233,178 |
Phonetic Spelling | Parts of Speech |
dox'-ah ![]() |
Noun Feminine |
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No Spiritual Body there..Just Glory Glory Glory |
drstevej, you may not be aware of it, but Doug was searching for Christ when he began posting here and later he made his decision and was baptized. Hopefully after that, his idea of humor has changed since becoming a child of God, and one who will eventually be in Gods kingdom.
No I like Doug alot..there is no vendetta . If a doctrinal debate makes you uncomfortable i am sorry .
This is about what constitutes a Christian ..the Bodily resurrection and the reality of hell and the trinity constitute a professing Christian .
This is America and everyone is free to have what ever religion they desire. Christen or not. But if you are going to present yourself as a Christian and promote a non Christian doctrine then you have to expect there will be debate.
This is probably the least important error of the Armstrong cult . But it is an interesting give and take..
I am sorry JH but Doug has a different god and a different Jesus than Christians do. He has a biunity god among other non standard doctrine
I'd settle for respect. :-)
Thanks for the kind words Jim.
Huh?
The body returns to dust!
and the spirit (soul) shall return unto God who gave it.
Are you seriously suggesting that that your own favorite collection of doctrines comprises the "true" definition of "Christian"? Catholics believe in Purgatory, prayer to saints, petrine primacy, the doctrine of the Real Presence, etc. Not to mention that their concept of grace is different. Does this make them "non Christian"?
maybe, just maybe you are reading the scriptures to support your belief
We all do this, Terry.
Dougs doctrine holds that the Holy Spirit is not a member of the trinity ..He has a two part god. father and son ..thus the BI Unity not the TRInity
Okay.
You want glory to mean a spiritual Body ..but that is not what the Greek word for Glory means,
I realize what glory means. You're missing my point.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:5 Father! Give me glory in your presence now, the same glory I had with you before the world was made.(Good News Bible)
Now the closest definition that fits this verse for "glory" (from your own post) would be:
"a most glorious condition, most exalted state of that condition with God the Father in heaven to which Christ was raised after he had achieved his work on earth "
Now tell me, what does that mean? To me, it says that Jesus is entering into the most glorious condition, the condition that deserved the highest praise, a return to the same conditions he had with God the father.
As I've already shown you countless times, God the father is spirit. Paul said that Christ became a life giving spirit, with a spiritual body, after the resurrection. In order to be exhalted with the same glory, Jesus has to have the SAME CONDITION he had with the father. So if he was flesh and bone AFTER the resurrection, then (by the position you hold) he must be flesh and bone BEFORE the incarnation. If he was spirit and had a spiritual body AFTER the resurrection, then he had to have been spirit and had a spiritual body BEFORE the incarnation or the glory would not be the same. You miss the meaning of almost every scripture because you read them with Armstrong eyes ..completely without discernment. BTW I think it is funny you had to use the worse translation ever done to make your point..and even with that you can not change the meaning of Glory ,,
I would say that to a certain extent that is true. But I would hope that we do not always take our prejustices with us, or else there could be no spiritual growth ,we would simply mark time till we croak :>)))
A "soul" is biblically any breathing creature that has life. Animals were created with souls (nephesh, Genesis 1:20). A living soul becomes a dead soul when he/she or it dies.
In Jewish belief, the Shekhinah, or Holy Spirit, is God's active Presence in the world. It is not seen as a separate person. Douglas adds to this a belief in the divinity of Jesus as the Son of God. He believes in the Holy Spirit, he just doesn't see it as a separate person in the Godhead.
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