That was a great definition of glory, but once again you missed the point. Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:5 Father! Give me glory in your presence now, the same glory I had with you before the world was made.(Good News Bible)
If Jesus had the same glory as God the father WITH God the father, and God the father is spirit. And spirits have spiritual bodies, then yes absolutely Jesus has to have a spiritual body to get back the same glory he had before. Man, I feel like I should be getting out a Speak N' Spell for you sometimes. :-) Doug you are the one that has a reading comprehension problem
You want glory to mean a spiritual Body ..but that is not what the Greek word for Glory means,
You miss the meaning of almost every scripture because you read them with Armstrong eyes ..completely without discernment.
BTW I think it is funny you had to use the worse translation ever done to make your point..and even with that you can not change the meaning of Glory ,,
| Doxa |
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| Phonetic Spelling |
Parts of Speech |
dox'-ah  |
Noun Feminine |
| Definition |
- opinion, judgment, view
- opinion, estimate, whether good or bad concerning someone
- in the NT always a good opinion concerning one, resulting in praise, honour, and glory
- splendour, brightness
- of the moon, sun, stars
- magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, grace
- majesty
- a thing belonging to God
- the kingly majesty which belongs to him as supreme ruler, majesty in the sense of the absolute perfection of the deity
- a thing belonging to Christ 3c
- the kingly majesty of the Messiah 3c
- the absolutely perfect inward or personal excellency of Christ; the majesty
- of the angels 3c
- as apparent in their exterior brightness
- a most glorious condition, most exalted state
- of that condition with God the Father in heaven to which Christ was raised after he had achieved his work on earth
- the glorious condition of blessedness into which is appointed and promised that true Christians shall enter after their Saviour's return from heaven
No Spiritual Body there..Just Glory Glory Glory |
Doug you are the one that has a reading comprehension problem Okay.
You want glory to mean a spiritual Body ..but that is not what the Greek word for Glory means,
I realize what glory means. You're missing my point.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:5 Father! Give me glory in your presence now, the same glory I had with you before the world was made.(Good News Bible)
Now the closest definition that fits this verse for "glory" (from your own post) would be:
"a most glorious condition, most exalted state of that condition with God the Father in heaven to which Christ was raised after he had achieved his work on earth "
Now tell me, what does that mean? To me, it says that Jesus is entering into the most glorious condition, the condition that deserved the highest praise, a return to the same conditions he had with God the father.
As I've already shown you countless times, God the father is spirit. Paul said that Christ became a life giving spirit, with a spiritual body, after the resurrection. In order to be exhalted with the same glory, Jesus has to have the SAME CONDITION he had with the father. So if he was flesh and bone AFTER the resurrection, then (by the position you hold) he must be flesh and bone BEFORE the incarnation. If he was spirit and had a spiritual body AFTER the resurrection, then he had to have been spirit and had a spiritual body BEFORE the incarnation or the glory would not be the same. You miss the meaning of almost every scripture because you read them with Armstrong eyes ..completely without discernment. BTW I think it is funny you had to use the worse translation ever done to make your point..and even with that you can not change the meaning of Glory ,,